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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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AgitatedLemon

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jtav wrote...

Well, she canonically wants a child. You can have both kids and a satisfying career. I presume she was assigned to jobs that didn't have a high risk of being shot at the time.


Where does she ever say she WANTS a child? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious. I probably missed or didn't hear that dialogue.

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The infertility testing, which is sufficiently invasive that you wouldn't do it for a lark. It's also obliquely referenced in the leak.

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jtav wrote...

The infertility testing, which is sufficiently invasive that you wouldn't do it for a lark. It's also obliquely referenced in the leak.


I never thought of the medical tests as a sign of her wanting a child.

Nor did I think about the leak.

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She would still need a reason to want the child first. It may be life changing or whatever, but unless it happens by accident I don't see her seeking it out willingly. There's nothing in all of her dialogue, cutscenes, or motivation in the campaign that would suggest it. Maybe if they survive it's and it's all over, it might be an idea to play with, but I honestly see her carrying it out like a project. I can honestly see her putting too much into a kid, when there are no other distractions, that it would quickly become over bearing.

Just a side note, a woman doesn't need to be a mother nor a man a father to do great things or find love and emotional attachment. Statistically fornally educated women and men are marrying later, having children later, and seeking out ambitions and pursuing them much earlier in life. In this story line, almost two hundred years from now, I'd wager that the trend would continue. I honestly can not seeing her become a mother any more than most of my Shepards.

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I honestly still think that BW had someone who either despised Miranda or was indifferent to her write the LotSB dossier. That dossier is full of bad writing, as if Mac Walters wasn't doing enough of that already.

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@Android

What do you mean by "her carrying it out like a project"?

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The dossier is quite bad. Astonishingly, terribly bad. I choose to take it in broad strokes only. BW seems to have done the same thing.

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MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

I honestly still think that BW had someone who either despised Miranda or was indifferent to her write the LotSB dossier. That dossier is full of bad writing, as if Mac Walters wasn't doing enough of that already.


To be completely honest, the medical records were the only thing that really disappointed me.

Her back and forth with Oriana made me chuckle a few times.

I'm not sure what she was doing on a dating site though. It didn't sound like she was actually interested in finding someone.

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It sounded to me like a woman who wanted to pursue a sex-only relationship to work off some stress but quickly realized the high standards her scientific mind had ensured prevented her from being casual enough to get anywhere with any of the potential suitors.

I've always enjoyed most of Miranda's dossier, honestly.

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MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

I honestly still think that BW had someone who either despised Miranda or was indifferent to her write the LotSB dossier. That dossier is full of bad writing, as if Mac Walters wasn't doing enough of that already.


You're preaching to the pastor here Katie.;)

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@Jeff, are you referring to the chat on the dating site in her dossier?

I'm curious as to why she asked the first guy for his medical records.

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JosephDucreux wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

I honestly still think that BW had someone who either despised Miranda or was indifferent to her write the LotSB dossier. That dossier is full of bad writing, as if Mac Walters wasn't doing enough of that already.


You're preaching to the pastor here Katie.;)


to be quite fair, almost all of them are bad writing.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

@Jeff, are you referring to the chat on the dating site in her dossier?

I'm curious as to why she asked the first guy for his medical records.



Yeah, I am. Well I figured excellent medical status would be important for Miranda to commit to anything more than a drink, heh. That and I suppose she could be analyzing potential long-term mates at the same time. Two birds, one stone, all that. If she contacted that guy prior to the fertility test shenanigans it presents another possibility.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm curious as to why she asked the first guy for his medical records.


1) She didn't want to catch anything from sleeping with a complete stranger.
2) If perchance she got impregnated she didn't want her offspring having any recessive diseases.

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naledgeborn wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm curious as to why she asked the first guy for his medical records.


1) She didn't want to catch anything from sleeping with a complete stranger.
2) If perchance she got impregnated she didn't want her offspring having any recessive diseases.


I thought that's what she was looking at. I just didn't want to sound weird.

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@agitated lemon

Ever seen a parent that's too involved in their child's life? Or expects them to do too much? Imagine a parent who puts their six year old in martial arts, classical violin classes, mandarin classes, dance lessons, and studies at school seven days a week. It may stem from a place of caring, but I think Miranda would be too demanding of her own offspring.

As for her on a dating site... Well, simetimes you've got an itch, and you need to scratch it. Some are a bit more itchy than others.

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android654 wrote...

@agitated lemon

Ever seen a parent that's too involved in their child's life? Or expects them to do too much? Imagine a parent who puts their six year old in martial arts, classical violin classes, mandarin classes, dance lessons, and studies at school seven days a week. It may stem from a place of caring, but I think Miranda would be too demanding of her own offspring.

As for her on a dating site... Well, simetimes you've got an itch, and you need to scratch it. Some are a bit more itchy than others.


I don't think she'll become THAT parent. In my mind she'd try to avoid becoming that parent by all means, remembering how her father treated her. She'd definitely have a set of standards she wouldn't allow her child to deviate from, but she wouldn't become the stereotypical middle aged asian parent.

Edit: If anything, her being smart enough to ask for medical records before gonig off with a stranger implies that she could have the foresight to look onto some parenting tips, or at least ask around the Normandy (Or even Oriana's family) for advice.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I understand completely (or I think I do - correct me if I'm wrong). In my mind, Shepard admires and respects Miranda because of her achievements and her dedication (not *only* that, but it's a defining part). It's she who is the example, she who he looks up to and who drives him onward, and for a different reason than love at first. That she comes to love him later appears almost as a miracle to him.


Have to disagree here, though that's just speaking to my RPing. I play a Shepard that  "obfuscates stupidity'. Lets the scientists and startgestist speak in technical jagon whilst secretly understanding or at least picking up what's being said. It's that trait along with a knack for survival that's taken him from street urchin, to grunt, to officer.
Sure he admires and respects her, but he doesn't worship her. It's a sort mutalism on both parties where she lacks he fills the gap and vice-versa. And when he sees the smallest flaw in her plan (eg SM) he won't hestiate to speak his mind or go with his instinct rather than her strategy.

He doesn't let the fact that Miranda is exceptional daunt him because he himself is exceptional and he knows it. That allows him to approach and interact with her in a no bull****, hardboiled manner.

We're all speaking about the way we roleplay our Shepards here. Yours is of course just as valid as mine, As for myself, that Cyrus Shepard sees an example in Miranda doesn't mean he'd overlook any flaws, and of course the respect and admiration comes to be mutual in time, but Miranda's doubts at the start of ME2 echo his own doubts that his Alliance background may not have prepared him for what's to come, and he's not one to trust instincts over strategy anyway. 

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And for Matt, there are things I couldn't RP but exist nonetheless. His talent for both drawing and painting being the obvious example. Lots of casual sex before Miranda came along, a great deal of it paid. He doesn't let many people get close and most people only want to screw the savior of the galaxy, not him. Sex as transaction is more honest. So, iPartners didn't bother him. She loves him and that's what matters.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

@agitated lemon

Ever seen a parent that's too involved in their child's life? Or expects them to do too much? Imagine a parent who puts their six year old in martial arts, classical violin classes, mandarin classes, dance lessons, and studies at school seven days a week. It may stem from a place of caring, but I think Miranda would be too demanding of her own offspring.

As for her on a dating site... Well, simetimes you've got an itch, and you need to scratch it. Some are a bit more itchy than others.


I don't think she'll become THAT parent. In my mind she'd try to avoid becoming that parent by all means, remembering how her father treated her. She'd definitely have a set of standards she wouldn't allow her child to deviate from, but she wouldn't become the stereotypical middle aged asian parent.

Edit: If anything, her being smart enough to ask for medical records before gonig off with a stranger implies that she could have the foresight to look onto some parenting tips, or at least ask around the Normandy (Or even Oriana's family) for advice.


But that's the great irony of her character she hates her father for what he did to her, but she ultimately became what he wanted. She uses her looks, intellect, and instilled ambitious nature to climb to the top of Cerberus and practically being the 2nd most powerful person in the galaxy. She is the example of human perfection because of how she was made and how her father raised her. That need to prove herself to her father is a drive she still has to this day, only the person she's trying to prove something to is herself. We also learn that she holds the whole crew to the standards she set for herself. It may seem a bit hypocritical from her end, but its still true. Miranda is her father's daughter to the core.

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My Shepard wants Miranda for her personal side but needs her for her professional one. I hope to explain this in more detail soon.
Otherwise hope everyone had/continues to have great holidays!

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JosephDucreux wrote...

Of all the relationships, I found Ashley's and Miranda's to be the best due to how natural and well-fleshed out the progression felt. Jack's romance was a bit off-putting (no offense spiros) mainly due to the fact that Jack needed a friend more than a lover, and I would've greatly preferred a friendship over a romantic relationship as Jack's still recovering from all her trauma

As for Tali's-I was just incredibly repulsed. I just was. And I used to like her in ME1. Liara's was mostly forgettable.

This. I prefer to romance Miranda, but due to having played ME1 and on the first playthrough accidentally triggering the Ashley romance, I've realized that hers is a good one as well. They seem to be the only two that "fit" Shep, if you know what I mean.

I also have a FemShep and since Ash apparently will be available for S/S in ME3 (unlike Miranda), she'll be the one I finally pair my FemShep with.

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There's no 'apparently' to the S/S rumors on the VS as of yet, unless the script-miners have dug something up I'm unaware of. I've kept away from most spoilers but one thing I purposefully read about was the romance possibilities and as far as I'm currently aware, the VS is still a 'possibly' and by no means a 'definitely'.

Just wanted to clear that up.

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I don't see why you can't find a lover in a friend, but I digress, Jack Miranda and Ashley are definitely the best LI's the game has to offer. Here's hoping the three of them become open to s/s in March.

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Anyone know if you can initiate Miranda romance in ME3 if you haven't in ME2?