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[Ieldra]

Rdubs wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Wintersect wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Hey friends I am trying to write a Shep/Miranda fan fic but having trouble figuring out the best back story. Since the audience will largely be the people reading this forum, maybe I'll ask you guys for input. What would you like to see a backstory of regarding these two variables:
Arrival mission: before or after? After basically makes them fugitives.
Collector base: keep or blow up?

After; keep.

Seconded.

Roger, I'll go this route.  Also because I am VERY curious to get Leldra's input on it, she seems to be one of the foremost Miranda experts.  Also, it appears keeping the Collector Base is part of what Bioware considers canon as evidenced by the Retribution and Invasion official stories.  So between that and what we know from the leak, we have to go from Shepard giving Cerberus what they want and Miranda not quitting to Cerberus wanting to kill Shepard and Miranda having left them.  Interesting turn.
The biggest controversial decision from ME2 was to keep the Collector base or not.  I hope Bioware doesn't brush over that in ME3 like I'm expecting like they do with most other decisions, meaning if you kept it then Cerberus becomes indoctrinated because of it but if you blew it up then Cerberus becomes indoctrinated because they uncovered some "other" Reaper artifact.  Weak.

If they do so with other decisions, why would you expect the CB decision to be treated differently? I just hope it doesn't come across as "har har, you made the wrong decision". And I hope it has some effect on Miranda, though we can be pretty sure she won't be with Cerberus any more either way.

Thanks btw for reminding me of that fanfic - I had forgotten to follow it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 décembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Wintersect wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Hey friends I am trying to write a Shep/Miranda fan fic but having trouble figuring out the best back story. Since the audience will largely be the people reading this forum, maybe I'll ask you guys for input. What would you like to see a backstory of regarding these two variables:
Arrival mission: before or after? After basically makes them fugitives.
Collector base: keep or blow up?

After; keep.

Seconded.

Roger, I'll go this route.  Also because I am VERY curious to get Leldra's input on it, she seems to be one of the foremost Miranda experts.  Also, it appears keeping the Collector Base is part of what Bioware considers canon as evidenced by the Retribution and Invasion official stories.  So between that and what we know from the leak, we have to go from Shepard giving Cerberus what they want and Miranda not quitting to Cerberus wanting to kill Shepard and Miranda having left them.  Interesting turn.
The biggest controversial decision from ME2 was to keep the Collector base or not.  I hope Bioware doesn't brush over that in ME3 like I'm expecting like they do with most other decisions, meaning if you kept it then Cerberus becomes indoctrinated because of it but if you blew it up then Cerberus becomes indoctrinated because they uncovered some "other" Reaper artifact.  Weak.

If they do so with other decisions, why would you expect the CB decision to be treated differently? I just hope it doesn't come across as "har har, you made the wrong decision". And I hope it has some effect on Miranda, though we can be pretty sure she won't be with Cerberus any more either way.

Thanks btw for reminding me of that fanfic - I had forgotten to follow it.

It would be incredibly silly (If not flat-out retarded) for Miranda to still be with Cerberus by the time ME3 rolls around, unless they can figure some way to show her resign THEN.

[Raizo]

One of the many reasons why the lack of information regarding Miranda in ME3 is that I'm not exactly what version of Miranda I'm going to meet up with in ME3.

I romance her every time I make a Male Shepard, I always complete her Loyalty mission, I always stake her with me to fight the last boss, I always choose to destroy the base and she always resigns from Cerebus. Now if Miranda no longer works for Cerebus then the big question is what happens to her, where does she go after the events of the Suicide Mission and Arrival, where is she during Shepard's trial. It's not like there's anywhere else for her to go, two of the wealthiest and most powerful humans in the Galaxy are now hunting for ( her father and TIM ), to the best of my knowledge she doesn't have any close friends after Nicket died besides Jacob, she now has limited resources at her disposal so she can't buy her way out of trouble so where the hell is she. I would like to think the character is either staying close to Shepard ( because of love but also for protection ) or keeping an eye on her sister since she now knows that TIM knows about Orianna.

I would be very disappointed if I were to import a ME2 save to ME3 and I were to discover that she is still with Cerebus after that big song and dance about resigning because TIM wanted her to put bullet in Shepard's skull because Shepard would not give Cerebus the Collector base.

It's one of the fundamental problems with Miranda, she is too complicated a character, there are too many variables with her. It's inevitable that a lot of us will not be happy with how the Character ends up being written in ME3 since the character can go down a lot of different paths and most of us in this thread have different interpretations of who she really is.

[naledgeborn]

Since Liara had Redemption why can't Miranda get a comic series that bridges Arrival to ME3? Not many EU stuff I'd pay for. This would be one of them.

[jtav]

Because they only do EU material about characters alive in every case. Miranda no longer qualifies. It'd have to be a prequel. Besides, she got Galaxy and a sizable role in Redemption.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Because they only do EU material about characters alive in every case. Miranda no longer qualifies. It'd have to be a prequel. Besides, she got Galaxy and a sizable role in Redemption.

Oh yeah. All 200 people that bought that get their fair share of Miranda let me tell you.
/sarcasm

What's sad is I was one of them.

But it could always be a "what if..."  comic like Gaider's comic with King Alistair, Isabela, and Varric.

Edit: Here you go. This is what I was talking about.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 29 décembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[flemm]

Not that I wouldn't be interested in something that fills in the space between games, or deals with Miranda's early life, but the part of Miranda's story that really matters is the part that will be in ME3 anyway. All the important pieces are there. It's either going to suck or it won't, but no comic is going to fix it if it does.

[android654]

I think we're all a little pissy because the three sh**tiest characters have been in all 3 games and the rest of us get 1.1, if we're lucky to get that.

[jtav]

Could we keep the character-bashing to a minimum out of respect for posters and lurkers that do like them?

[The Elder King]

android654 wrote...

I think we're all a little pissy because the three sh**tiest characters have been in all 3 games and the rest of us get 1.1, if we're lucky to get that.

To be fair, Liara wasn't present in the squad in ME2. Her role in the vanilla game is the same of Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex.  LOTSB is a great addiction, and imo the best ME2 dlc, but it's not the same as having a character as a squadmate.
Plus, there's no need to insult the other characters.

[flemm]

Well, also, past a certain point, too much hyperbole tends to detract from the main point. Characters like Jack and Miranda were introduced in the 2nd game, so is it really relevant that they will be in 2 games instead of 3? Also, if we were satisfied with their roles in ME3, would we even care about that "score"?

Yes, overall the ME2-specific cast is likely to get shafted in ME3, so I will criticize that aspect of the game when the time comes.

Won't be long now, only a couple of months 

Modifié par flemm, 29 décembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[android654]

Still blows, but flemm's got a point. If the quality is there I suppose I'll mind it less, but still kind of sucks that we can't keep the squads we used the most.

Modifié par android654, 29 décembre 2011 - 09:01 .

[MisterJB]

Save your rage and hatred, my brother and sisters. We shall have dire need of it come March.

[flemm]

android654 wrote...

Still blows, but flemm's got a point. If the quality is there I suppose I'll mind it less, but still kind of sucks that we can't keep the squads they used the most.

Well, there's no doubt that not being able to have ME2 characters like Jack, Mordin and Miranda around in ME3 is going to suck.

I just think that there is a legitimate point to be made about how this was handled in ME3 that perhaps may get lost a bit if there's too much focus on fan wars and score-keeping, etc. I mean, some of that is inevitable, sure. But basically, if Jack and Miranda's involvement in ME3 is unsatisfying/incomplete/infuriating/whatever, then that is a point we can make (loudly) without getting carried away and moving toward bashing other characters (which inevitably is counter-productive).

Modifié par flemm, 29 décembre 2011 - 09:02 .

[android654]

Well, three months and eight days then I suppose we can begin to analyze our findings and confirm our fears, or dismiss them.

[flemm]

android654 wrote...

Well, three months and eight days then I suppose we can begin to analyze our findings and confirm our fears, or dismiss them.

Two months and change, I think

[android654]

Ah you're right, I was counting to April sixth for some reason. So two moths and eight days.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Save your rage and hatred, my brother and sisters. We shall have dire need of it come March.

Indeed

[Prudii Aden]

10 weeks tomorrow until it comes out in the UK, with the US being 3 days earlier. So, unless the release date changes, we'll know one way or another in 9.5 weeks.

[nitefyre410]

flemm wrote...

android654 wrote...

Still blows, but flemm's got a point. If the quality is there I suppose I'll mind it less, but still kind of sucks that we can't keep the squads they used the most.

Well, there's no doubt that not being able to have ME2 characters like Jack, Mordin and Miranda around in ME3 is going to suck.

I just think that there is a legitimate point to be made about how this was handled in ME3 that perhaps may get lost a bit if there's too much focus on fan wars and score-keeping, etc. I mean, some of that is inevitable, sure. But basically, if Jack and Miranda's involvement in ME3 is unsatisfying/incomplete/infuriating/whatever, then that is a point we can make (loudly) without getting carried away and moving toward bashing other characters.

I agree but the explaination better be good because  Jack, Miranda and Mordin are just  3 scrappies they're 3 characters that  can have and have been of major of importantance,  Miranda the Lazurus project and high ranking  Cerebus officar(they those guys that were shady but want to destory Reapers yet  some how joined them)  And  Biotic  was pumped as living super weapon would could play in how the reapers are taken down... And Mordin   a bonifide genous... Between,  Him, Liara and Miranda  you  have the Mass Effect  equal of Mr.Fantastic, Dr. Strange and  Dr.Doom coming up a plan to stop the Reapers.    to waste that would make very upsetting. 

[goofyomnivore]

MisterJB wrote...

Save your rage and hatred, my brother and sisters. We shall have dire need of it come March.

Hah I doubt I'll rage. If Miranda or any other character gets wrongfully done in Mass Effect 3. I'll just give them an honorable death on the Suicide Mission, so they can possibly have their statue on the Citadel as Liara suggested.

Modifié par strive, 29 décembre 2011 - 09:23 .

[ThomGau]

Personnally, I think I am gonna enjoy this game a lot but if my favourite characters ( Miranda and Mordin ) don't have enough screen time, it would leave a bittersweet taste in my mouth, definitely . Something like that " This game is great but ... I miss something "

Modifié par ThomGau, 29 décembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[jtav]

Should Miranda be mangled, I'll kill her more than I'm planning on doing, but I think I have reason for optimism.

[android654]

That's the sucky part though, The whole point of ME2 was to make sure your crew survives because they were vital to success in ME3. I'm going to give BW the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they'll do her justice.

[The Elder King]

Meh. To kill her in the SM I have to force myself or my Shep in being stupid and do something idiotic in the CB. I don't think I can do it.

Modifié par hhh89, 29 décembre 2011 - 10:01 .