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[Dr. Doctor]

Also the fact that Miranda has little to no knowledge of Cerberus' actions on Akuze, or Teltin considering her position within the organization.

[MisterJB]

Nothing indicates that Miranda has little to no knowledge of other Cerberus projects.
Shepard never mentions Akuze (probrably because Bioware couldn't imagine a way to justify it) so Miranda doesn't either. And the dialogue option to question Miranda about Cerberus' intentions with Teltin and Jack is present before Jack's LM and her answer is exactly the same.

There is only one line in the entire game that I can remember that suggests Miranda was shocked by Teltin "They kept children here?". Which could mean that Miranda was aware of the experiments being perfomed but not of the conditions the children had to live in.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 janvier 2012 - 05:31 .

[jtav]

It's a retcon, albeit one I mind not at all. The question is: to what purpose? My theory is to set up her taking over Cerberus, but there could be other reasons.

I get the impression she knew about Teltin but probably thought it was a BAaT successor without Alliance oversight.

[MisterJB]

On second tought, asking Miranda about Teltin before going there could be seen as contradictory.
When Shepard&Co encounter the first hologram that suggests that cell went rogue, Miranda seems as surprised as everyone else. However, judging from her dialogue beforehand "A mistake. No question. Not mine. And one that was corrected once we understood the extent of the experiments being performed there." she already knew that the Teltin facility had performed unauthorized experiments.
So why say "Sounds like facility went rogue."? She already knew that it was so.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I get the impression she knew about Teltin but probably thought it was a BAaT successor without Alliance oversight.

Yeah, she definitely knew about it, but not the details.

I do think the dialog makes a lot more sense if you have the conversation after you go to the facility.

[Avy DiSartori]

Miranda used to talk to TIM face to face.. that means a lot of trust from his part IMO.. AND, she was the one chosen by TIM to keep shepard under control... Actually, as a player, I always had a terrible doubt throughout ME2: "if she had to choose between me or him, what would she do?" (then in the suicide mission I saw where her loyalties really lied = D )

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

It's a retcon, albeit one I mind not at all. The question is: to what purpose? My theory is to set up her taking over Cerberus, but there could be other reasons.

It would be great in my opinion. Miranda taking over Cerberus is my favourite scenario.

[ThomGau]

Avy DiSartori wrote...

Miranda used to talk to TIM face to face.. that means a lot of trust from his part IMO.. AND, she was the one chosen by TIM to keep shepard under control... Actually, as a player, I always had a terrible doubt throughout ME2: "if she had to choose between me or him, what would she do?" (then in the suicide mission I saw where her loyalties really lied = D )

Speaking of her resignation line . I kinda liked it as well, she puts her trust in Shepard, which is nice . Though I think it only makes sense if she is loyal and even more romanced in terms of RP . If not, well, I think a confllict would have been logical . In terms of gameplay though, it would have been rather messy arguing with her with the human reaper waking up + you need to have 2 squadmates for the fight .

About Miranda taking over Cerberus, this would be great to see her where she belongs, heading a very important  corporation . He would be glad to see that !

Modifié par ThomGau, 04 janvier 2012 - 06:50 .

[jtav]

I romanced Miranda again for lack of better options. Knowing what I know now, I can't help but see the ME2 romance as a mediocre precondition for the good part. The best is yet to come, folks.

[ThomGau]

Good to hear jtav

I follow you on that one, Miranda's romance looks amazing . I'll check the other ones out .

Modifié par ThomGau, 04 janvier 2012 - 07:01 .

[alikey00]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Do you guys think that Miranda is suspicious of TIM's motives when he made her wear that catsuit?I personally think that Miri is highly suspicious of TIM's motives when he makes her wear her catsuit.

TIM already has his harem of Asari.

I'll gladly take Miranda, though.

Tim had the same bad intentions like shepard, when shepard gift the black catsuit  to miranda 

[flemm]

alikey00 wrote...
Tim had the same bad intentions like shepard, when shepard gift the black catsuit  to miranda 

Can't really blame that one on TIM, I don't think. The ones who made her wear it were her creators, by which I mean the game developers, not her father. But he has always been partly a stand-in for them. Happily, it seems Miranda gets to shoot them, I mean "him" *cough* *cough*, in ME3. So, that's justice.

I hope the new writer is a woman, but given all of the above, she probably is.

[jtav]

I don't know. It could just be that they are no longer using the romance primarily as temptation. Let's be blunt here: Miranda's ME2 romance is about the player getting some virtual tail, though it's more meaningful for Shep. It's really obvious playing the game with knowledge of the leak. But the change in writers probably helped, too.

And flemm, is it just me or has the leak made you snarky about the fanservice aspects?

Modifié par jtav, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:37 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I don't know. It could just be that they are no longer using the romance primarily as temptation. Let's be blunt here: Miranda's ME2 romance is about the player getting some virtual tail, though it's more meaningful for Shep. It's really obvious playing the game with knowledge of the leak. But the change in writers probably helped, too.

Well, the romance is a separate, though perhaps related issue to the point I was making. Anyway, for whatever reason, I do like the tone of it more overall.

jtav wrote...
And flemm, is it just me or has the leak made you snarky about the fanservice aspects?

I guess you could say that. Regardless, it doesn't really matter, if Miranda's story in ME3 ends up concluding as it should.

Modifié par flemm, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .

[jtav]

Okay, why do you think she's female then? What I meant is that sex appeal was there first concern with pretty much every aspect of her.

And, while I'm here, I'd like to apologize if I came across as overly strident to anyone during debate. It was born of fears that I now believe won't be realized. I'll never think her CB line is IC, but you say tomato, I say tomahto.

Modifié par jtav, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Okay, why do you think she's female then?

Well, I wasn't being 100% serious, I don't know that she is. But, in Miranda's backstory, you have this domineering father who is cranking out and disposing of women with the sole goal in mind of preserving his own legacy... And, from a meta-game perspective, it's obvious that Miranda was largely created by a bunch of men looking to maximize sex appeal. So, there has always been that (more or less conscious) parallel between Miranda's father in the game, and the process that created the character.

That's where you can make the case that the character is the product of a sexist view of what the "perfect" woman should be like, but, on the other hand, a big part of Miranda's story is about her struggling to escape from her father's control, in other words from that view of what she should be. Which is partly, why, I think, plenty of women can identify with her, even though she was created by men, with other men in mind (primarily).

I just think that it makes sense to pass all that stuff to a woman writer, and that confronting the "father" would logically be priority #1.

Spoiler...

That is priority #1 in the script, hence my comment above.

Modifié par flemm, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:34 .

[trynell]

Miranda will be written by a woman ? I hope this change does not affect in her personality.

[ThomGau]

trynell wrote...

Miranda will be written by a woman ? I hope this change does not affect in her personality.

These are Flemm's speculations, we are not sure about this .

[flemm]

trynell wrote...

Miranda will be written by a woman ? I hope this change does not affect in her personality.

No, we don't know that. I was just explaining my (not necessarily 100% serious) earlier comment to jtav.

Edit: It seems that the character does have a new writer, though. Patrick Weekes, who was one of the original writers, has basically confirmed that. Mac Walters has worked on some stuff both times, but it's safe to say he is not her "main" writer in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[jtav]

I do think the writing team needs a feminine voice. Just, in general. There are some sketchy moments in the series.

And the Paragon romance is done. With luck, I can try out...certain variables.

[alikey00]

how do you achievement that only miranda and samara survived?

[jtav]

By skipping LMs and being deliberately stupid.

[alikey00]

jtav wrote...

By skipping LMs and being deliberately stupid.

OK, Very interesting result 

[Skullheart]

I have a save with only Miranda and Legion... and I do't think you need to be stupid, you just need to be evil to kill all those characters. For some reason I'm thinking in a game with only Miranda and Jack...

[flemm]

I've never done a decimated squad like that. Might be interesting to try eventually, though.