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[ME3WINNING]

Why is Miranda not going to be a permanent squad member in ME3. She was on my team for like every mission in ME2. What if you want human dominance?

[MisterJB]

Because the people writing this story appear to be incapable of forethought but more than willing to pander to certain obnoxiously loud fanbases.

Still, Miranda's role in ME3 appears to be shaping towards something satisfactory, even without squadmate status so I can't complain. Too much.

Modifié par MisterJB, 06 janvier 2012 - 06:34 .

[Berg]

^ Well this is what I wanted to hear. I do not want to read the leak myself, so I am basing all my expectations off the attitude of those people who have.

As for Yvonne as VA, I would guess that they are just holding back the announcement to get a bump of excitement/relief closer to release date.

[ThomGau]

Don't worry, as for Miranda's role, even if she is not on the squad, what's coming seems to be good . Without spoiling you anything, it seems we'll still have quite a few interactions / conversations with her, which is the most important thing in my book.
As for her VA, Hudson, I believe confirmed that Yvonne will be back, it'd be idiotic not to be honest about this, hundreds of fans would be greatly displeased about the lead director lying about such an important thing . Also, I think she's already done ME2 VA while recording Chuck .
Moreover, I would find it really inappropriate if they change her VA but not her face, I mean, Miranda has Yvonne's face and voice . So if they change her voice, they have to change her face as well, logical isn't it ?   And I can't see that happening .
Anyway, if her VA has changed it better be good, really good !

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:26 .

[goofyomnivore]

I don't think anyone from BioWare has said anything about Yvonne voicing Miranda. I'm starting to like some of the Miranda related stuff in the leak. Incoming Spoiler maybe;

-->However I'm still not thrilled with Oriana being her plot device again.<---

[wright1978]

Well i personally think the Miranda stuff in the leak is rather poor and very insubstantial. I'm just praying that there has been re-scripting between then and the final product.

[ThomGau]

The details about her mission are very incomplete indeed, we are speculating a lot about it . Though, there is a lot of potential from which BW should make the best of it .
What we saw from the romance is very well written, it is better than ME2 for sure, Shepard is way more emotional, we can really see he loves her . There are some great dialogue lines between the two of them .

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 janvier 2012 - 12:42 .

[CptData]

ThomGau wrote...

The details about her mission are very incomplete indeed, we are speculating a lot about it, though there is a lot of potential, BW should use the best of it .
What we saw from the romance is very well written, it is better than ME2 for sure, Shepard is way more emotional, we can really see he loves her . There are some great dialogue lines between the two of them .

Think BW did Shepard great favor by adding more emotions to his/her character.
Seems ANY given romance arc is far more emotional and better developed than in ME1 / ME2 now.

I suppor this greatly. For Miri-fans too

[ThomGau]

Yeah, they wanted to show Shepard's more " human" side, s/he is not always confident, and shows deeper feelings toward his / her LI, as it should be . I'd like to see him / her showing vulnerablity, fear, hope etc ... to his / her LI .

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 janvier 2012 - 12:52 .

[CptData]

ThomGau wrote...

Yeah, they wanted to show Shepard's more " human" side, s/he is not always confident, and shows deeper feelings toward his / her LI, as it should be . I'd like to see him / her showing vulnerablity, fear, hope etc ... with his / her LI .

Indeed. Shepard was far too stoic in ME2. ME1 works quite well for him - but ME2? Is mE a much darker setting. Shepard showed some kind of emotions in LotSB, besides that ... not much.

I always imagined my Shepard as someone who finally breaks at some point and needs his LI to get back to the fight.

[ThomGau]

With LotSB, BW wanted to show that aspect of Shepard, which, so far, had been obscured, they wanted to show us that this is how s/he would feel and behave with his / her LI or friend in ME3 . A prequel to Shepard's human side so to speak .
As for Shepard mentally breaking, I'd like to see that happen, it would be somewhat normal . S/he would definitely need someone to get his/her moral back up . A love interest seems to be the best person for that .
I'm curious to see how BW will handle that, I don't want a Shepard completely hopeless and depressed but as I said earlier, vulnerable .

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 janvier 2012 - 01:17 .

[CptData]

Indeed. I want see that. Shepard losing all of his or her hope - and finding convidence in the arms of his/her lover or best friend (since not all Shepards have LIs).

In case of Miranda I can see them supporting each other - Miranda may need some comfort when it comes to her sister (since she's the only important thing in her life next to a romanced Shepard) and Shepard might need support when he loses faith.

In my case it's gonna be Ashley who helps him. I just wanna see a final breakdown, an utterly destroyed Shepard that suffers from PTSD (or something), nightmares etc. And only a close friend or lover can make him to still function until that f*cking job is over. So to speak.

(Hey, after all, Shepard went through hell three times, died once, lost any of his friends in ME2, had to sacrifice a friend and comrade on Virmire ... you know the deal. That man (woman) saw so much sh*t - s/he can't bear that forever.)

Breakdown is needed. Seriously.

[jtav]

There is serious potential for awesomeness in the leak. Unfortunately, the scenes that would confirm this are absent. But it seems they took our love for Miranda's independence and competence absolutely seriously. The romance is more romantic, but more importantly, there are hints she'll vanquish her demons, have her own Hero's Journey, and become a major player in her own right. Not being on the squad is allowing her to do something she couldn't otherwise.

[CptData]

Parallel heroes / plots are important tbh.

Shepard can't do this alone - s/he needs allies. And Miranda seems to be one of them.
Good job imo.

[nitefyre410]

CptData wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

Yeah, they wanted to show Shepard's more " human" side, s/he is not always confident, and shows deeper feelings toward his / her LI, as it should be . I'd like to see him / her showing vulnerablity, fear, hope etc ... with his / her LI .

Indeed. Shepard was far too stoic   One- Dimensional in ME2. ME1 works quite well for him - but ME2? Is mE a much darker setting. Shepard showed some kind of emotions in LotSB, besides that ... not much.

I always imagined my Shepard as someone who finally breaks at some point and needs his LI to get back to the fight.

 

Fixed...

But your right  thats she same why I saw my Shepard... no person Dies and comes back  from the and thrown it the mess that  Shepard was thrown into and not have some kind of reaction. 

Man Atleast have  him/her storm in the council chambers  and tear them a new one.  Something that showed some kind of the connection to his old life.

[android654]

CptData wrote...*snip*
Breakdown is needed. Seriously.

It depends, two of my Shepards are truly independent and could live as Hermits if they chose to. Some people truly can be islands.

jtav wrote...There is serious potential for awesomeness in the leak. Unfortunately, the scenes that would confirm this are absent. But it seems they took our love for Miranda's independence and competence absolutely seriously. The romance is more romantic, but more importantly, there are hints she'll vanquish her demons, have her own Hero's Journey, and become a major player in her own right. Not being on the squad is allowing her to do something she couldn't otherwise.

After reading Jack's portion of the leak, I swore off other spoilers. But after reading 3 chapters of Portrait, I think you know the character well enough to know if they're writing her correctly.

[Xilizhra]

Man Atleast have him/her storm in the council chambers and tear them a new one. Something that showed some kind of the connection to his old life.

I'd prefer for this not to be mandatory. My Shepard has gotten past this.

I also wrote in my mind Shepard having an initial breakdown in private on the new Normandy, and it took a while for her to leave her room and start taking stock of things.

[nitefyre410]

Xilizhra wrote...

Man Atleast have him/her storm in the council chambers and tear them a new one. Something that showed some kind of the connection to his old life.

I'd prefer for this not to be mandatory. My Shepard has gotten past this.

I also wrote in my mind Shepard having an initial breakdown in private on the new Normandy, and it took a while for her to leave her room and start taking stock of things.

  

Hell s/he could have gone a drinking and party binge that would make charlie sheen  look like the Pope... but something would he been nice.

Oh and point you quote... of course leaveing the choice the player.  

[flemm]

android654 wrote...
After reading Jack's portion of the leak, I swore off other spoilers. But after reading 3 chapters of Portrait, I think you know the character well enough to know if they're writing her correctly.

Well, believe me when I say we've hashed and rehashed this to absolute death in the spoiler group... Basically, what it comes down to is that the unfinished part of this needs to be pretty damn unfinished for it to end up being good overall.

But... What's there is good, as far as it goes, and there are some, I think, pretty strong indications that what's missing pretty much has to be essentially what we would want. Not necessarily in the details, but in the overall direction.

So... our bad luck for getting this particular leaked script, I guess lol  

[AgitatedLemon]

ME3WINNING wrote...

Why is Miranda not going to be a permanent squad member in ME3. She was on my team for like every mission in ME2. What if you want human dominance?

To take some words from someone else...

EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES LOVES TALI AND GARRUS

^Essentially, this. Or, at least, Tali and Garrus' rabid and butthurt fanbases.

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ME3WINNING wrote...

Why is Miranda not going to be a permanent squad member in ME3. She was on my team for like every mission in ME2. What if you want human dominance?

To take some words from someone else...

EVERYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES LOVES TALI AND GARRUS

^Essentially, this. Or, at least, Tali and Garrus' rabid and butthurt fanbases.

 


More  preciesly  Bioware has trouble knowing with too listen to the fan base and when not.... Also  they may not have thought this through all the way...

Even I being a Tali and  Garrus  fan find the lack of Miranda  considering her ties to the shoe horned new  Villian of the Game... Disturbing.

[AgitatedLemon]

@nitefyre

While not necessarily a fan of Garrus and Tali (Well, I like Garrus, indifferent about Tali) it may just be me, but it seems like BioWare just caved under the outrage from these 2's respective bases.

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@nitefyre

While not necessarily a fan of Garrus and Tali (Well, I like Garrus, indifferent about Tali) it may just be me, but it seems like BioWare just caved under the outrage from these 2's respective bases.

Either that... or maybe the writers themselves are biased towards ME1 characters. Fans are whiny and belligerent but can ultimately only b!tch on forums. Or in rare cases get Subway to sponsor their cause.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@nitefyre

While not necessarily a fan of Garrus and Tali (Well, I like Garrus, indifferent about Tali) it may just be me, but it seems like BioWare just caved under the outrage from these 2's respective bases.

Either that... or maybe the writers themselves are biased towards ME1 characters. Fans are whiny and belligerent but can ultimately only b!tch on forums. Or in rare cases get Subway to sponsor their cause.

I use the term "Fan" incredibly loosely.

If they're a "Fan", they won't complain and **** and moan about every little thing the character may do, -- Like the hefty majority of the Tali/Garrus base does -- They may take concern, but they'd have the self respect and decency to voice their opinions with logic and reasoning, not hate and vitriol. The people BioWare listened to weren't fans, they were the MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME people on the forums.

To quote TotalBiscuit, it's OK to not like things, but don't be a dick about it.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:35 .