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[nitefyre410]

naledgeborn wrote...

^ I agree.

 

Off Topic

Hey  Thanks for putting me on to Revolver.... that movie was  fliping great...  that could work with Mordin beating Legion just off being completely unpredicitable. 


Actually that dialogue  could  would a great narration back  drop for the series  as a whole given what the Reapers reperesent.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[jtav]

Ash in ME1. For ME3, it seems to be Liara.

I'm a huge pessimist, but it'll be awesome if they pull this off.

[CrutchCricket]

Why Ash? I don't really see any ME1 NPC as more prominent or otherwise "in the lead".

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Why Ash? I don't really see any ME1 NPC as more prominent or otherwise "in the lead".

If anything, the most prominent female character in ME1 would be Liara.

Without her mind-raep, Shepard wouldn't have learned... Anything.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:31 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

I understand that. And I'm not saying: you should be happy about this.

I may very well not end up beiing happy about it either. And then I will complain.

But we're looking at text files from May or June. And we know it's unfinished, apparently the lead writer hadn't even focused on this yet. So... it's just too early to judge imo.

Sorry i can't summon optimism anymore as my gut is telling me not to get my hopes up for any major changes. I'd need some positive news to change that outlook. I hope your right though.

[flemm]

Well, whatever... "lead NPC" is not a technical term. It's more of a short hand. Basically Miranda and TIM set the tone for ME2. You might compare TIM with Anderson in ME1. There's really no comparison to Miranda in ME1, though, because, the way ME1 works, there's nothing comparable to Miranda's role in Lazarus and then the SM.

Anyway, the relevant point, to my mind, is that I'm not disappointed that Miranda isn't on the Normandy all the time. I'm actually happy she isn't. I will be somewhat disappointed that she never joins up, especially if there is a moment where she logically should. But that could end up being relatively minor, very minor even, if Miranda's main story is good enough.

wright1978 wrote...
Sorry i can't summon optimism anymore as my gut is telling me not to get my hopes up for any major changes. I'd need some positive news to change that outlook. I hope your right though.

Well, what's needed here, imo, aren't really changes to what's there (other than maybe minor stuff). It just needs to be finished the right way. It was hard to see this initially, because of how the leak happened. But the story will be finished, and I think there are some signs that it could be very good. Some. Enough to put me in more of a... watchful mood than anything else.

Vigilant, I guess you could say

Modifié par flemm, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:49 .

[jtav]

never mind.

Modifié par jtav, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[CrutchCricket]

I would agree that ME1 didn't have a "lead NPC" and I would also say one is not required in general for Mass Effect 3. ME1's squad was an ensemble act and ME3's should be as well. Cerberus set the tone in ME2 and it worked for that game. But ME3 is supposed to be all about getting everyone to fight. So no single agency other than Shepard himself (or perhaps the Reapers) should dictate the tone. It should be a cumulative (mass?) effect and that does not exclude Miranda by definition.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:39 .

[JeffZero]

I always viewed ME1's lead NPC role as Liara, by a fair margin. Followed by one of the humans, dependent upon your gender, really.

[AgitatedLemon]

JeffZero wrote...

I always viewed ME1's lead NPC role as Liara, by a fair margin. Followed by one of the humans, dependent upon your gender, really.

I wouldn't say lead role, but perhaps the most prominent female. Or at least, female with the largest impact.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 06 janvier 2012 - 04:45 .

[JeffZero]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I always viewed ME1's lead NPC role as Liara, by a fair margin. Followed by one of the humans, dependent upon your gender, really.

I wouldn't say lead role, but perhaps the most prominent female. Or at least, female with the largest impact.

Mm, yeah, fair enough.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
So no single agency other than Shepard himself (or perhaps the Reapers) should dictate the tone. It should be a cumulative (mass?) effect and that does not exclude Miranda by definition.

Well, as a fan of Miranda, I don't like it, but I understand that, from a design perspective, Miranda can't be around much early on in ME3. Neither will TIM. Different game, they are setting a different tone, you're back with the Alliance, etc.

So, given that, what it makes sense for them to do is let Miranda fade into the back ground a bit early on, but you remain in contact if you so choose, from the beginning, and then your stories intersect later. So, that's what's happening. 

The end will have to be really, really good for me to be satisfied with it. But... we haven't seen that yet.

[AgitatedLemon]

The end will have to be really, really good for me to be satisfied with it

This.

The bulk of it seems to be... satisfactory. A 6.5/10. Likely higher, but we haven't seen the actual execution of it yet.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

Well, as a fan of Miranda, I don't like it, but I understand that, from a design perspective, Miranda can't be around much early on in ME3. Neither will TIM. Different game, they are setting a different tone, you're back with the Alliance, etc.

I agree that Miranda might not be around for the opening sequences because of the Alliance setting. After that i don't see why she couldn't play a major role. Currently there's zero coverage in the squad for those people who aren't happy to be falling back into bed with the Alliance. Compare that tto ME2 where people were given multiple characters with a negative attitude to Cerberus.

[CrutchCricket]

Jack was as anti-Cerberus as you get but she was still recruited (rather forcibly, but still). Alliance setting doesn't really matter (other than she wouldn't likely be there at the very beginning).
Personally I think going back to the Alliance is a mistake. Shepard should really be on his own with Shadow Broker support. Oh well...

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
After that i don't see why she couldn't play a major role.

Absolutely. And if Miranda does not play a major role in the game, if alive, I will be complaining about it, loudly.

As for the squad composition, I don't think I'm going to be fond of it either.

[jtav]

The only thing that upsets me about the squad is the complete lack of Sentinels if you don't save Kaidan and the existence of one character. I think the potential is there for Miranda, and I prefer hope to misery.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

The only thing that upsets me about the squad is the complete lack of Sentinels if you don't save Kaidan and the existence of one character. I think the potential is there for Miranda, and I prefer hope to misery.

That's...

A good point.

Hrmm... Food for thought, if nothing else.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

The only thing that upsets me about the squad is the complete lack of Sentinels if you don't save Kaidan and the existence of one character. I think the potential is there for Miranda, and I prefer hope to misery.

Spoiler squadmate #1 or #2?

[AgitatedLemon]

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The only thing that upsets me about the squad is the complete lack of Sentinels if you don't save Kaidan and the existence of one character. I think the potential is there for Miranda, and I prefer hope to misery.

Spoiler squadmate #1 or #2?

Who's the 2nd spoiler?

Battlestar Galactica doesn't seem to be a biotic.

[jtav]

The female.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

The female.

Female... What.

Human? 
Krogan?
Salarian?

[JeffZero]

Haha, "Battlestar Galactica". Awesome way to minimalize spoilers, but I'm envisioning someone running in here and shouting gleefully that Armando Bailey is joining.

[JeffZero]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

The female.

Female... What.

Human? 
Krogan?
Salarian?

I think jtav indeed means to say the cylon.

[AgitatedLemon]

JeffZero wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

The female.

Female... What.

Human? 
Krogan?
Salarian?

I think jtav indeed means to say the cylon.

Oh. 

My question still stands then. Who's the other spoiler?