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[AgitatedLemon]

What I was originally trying to say about Magneto is that neither him nor Xavier are right or wrong since the thesis of what they consider to be a "resolution" are basically the same; peace for their people. Which brings me back to Miranda and TIM. I think the comparrison to Magneto and TIM are fair, if his desire is truly human dominance and not something more sinister. Miranda is also like Magneto since she's proven to be the type of person who would be willing to do just about anything to achieve her goals, with little thought to the enemy, while Xavier would have been a pure pacifist if he wasn't pushed by MAgneto or the government.

While I mostly agree with this, I'm not sure Miranda is as ruthless as Magneto. Sure, she's more than willing to cross lines, but she isn't... How do I word this...

Let me put it this way... She still has morals.

Given, I don't know all of the meta-Magneto's or all of his alternate versions, but a few of the mainstreams depict him in a bad light (With good intentions, don't get me wrong), but a bit of a cold, soulless dick. A cold soulless dick truly, and not just a facade.

I mean, I see where you're coming from, and I can see the similarities between the 2, but delving deeper into my knowledge of Miranda and Magneto (Which, admittedly, is just mainstream), you can spot some very dinstinct... differences.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[nitefyre410]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

To be fair, Magneto doesn't necessarily fit the archetype of "comic book villain." Its mostly because the concept of good guys v.s. bad guys doesn't really apply to the X-men. The concept can be more applied to people trying to resolve the issue of genocide or abuse from a governing structure for being of a certain group.

That's why I think the X-men would have been better in some other form.

I don't think Comic Books (With their stereotypically nerdy association) can convey such strong issues.

For an example (Somewhat unrelated), see the latest Twilight movie. Twilight and abortion aren't 2 words you say in the same sentence.

          
*Snip*

 


That is a very intersting point  you make there  especially with the  Miranda/ Magento comparison  

@AgitateLemon


Magento from what have I been reading seems to have gone through  phase ... definately in his younger days  he was  ruthless. As he  grew older though espicially  after whole bunch  shakes went down   he  has calmed down  some. He is  not deeply angry of things that he was onces was. People still fear him but only the foolish ones try to come at him... its best way  I can  discribe.    I can  see TIM in like  5  or  10 years having that same mindset with Cerberus if he played the Magneto type of character. 
 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Thats were I think Bioware kinda missed the ball with Mass Effect and Cerberus they could have told an entertaining story with Mass Effect and had great game that was fun to play with solid mechanics that was fun to play and still have some deeper points and questions come across. Dispite its what some may say about Metal Gear Solid it proved that it could be done.

I think BioWare missed it when they tried to make Cerberus the most important organization in the universe.

[flemm]

Arcian wrote...

I see the Offtopic Brigade has struck this thread like a 250 petaton nuclear bomb.

Actually, the nature of Cerberus, TIM and their status as villain is pretty closely-related to the topic. Some of the recent comments are a bit... tangential to Miranda specifically, but certainly related.

Modifié par flemm, 06 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

I see the Offtopic Brigade has struck this thread like a 250 petaton nuclear bomb.

Then how big was that nuke year and a half ago at Tali thread( one with over 10k pages!)

[AgitatedLemon]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

He strikes me as closer to Lex Luthor.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

What I was originally trying to say about Magneto is that neither him nor Xavier are right or wrong since the thesis of what they consider to be a "resolution" are basically the same; peace for their people. Which brings me back to Miranda and TIM. I think the comparrison to Magneto and TIM are fair, if his desire is truly human dominance and not something more sinister. Miranda is also like Magneto since she's proven to be the type of person who would be willing to do just about anything to achieve her goals, with little thought to the enemy, while Xavier would have been a pure pacifist if he wasn't pushed by MAgneto or the government.

While I mostly agree with this, I'm not sure Miranda is as ruthless as Magneto. Sure, she's more than willing to cross lines, but she isn't... How do I word this...

Let me put it this way... She still has morals.

Given, I don't know all of the meta-Magneto's or all of his alternate versions, but a few of the mainstreams depict him in a bad light (With good intentions, don't get me wrong), but a bit of a cold, soulless dick. A cold soulless dick truly, and not just a facade.

That's fair, but being raised in a labor camp and hated for being a German Jew in the 1930's, thinking he'd escape that by coming to American then having to deal with the same thing again once everyone learns about mutants. Yes Miranda has morals, and so did Magneto at one point, but I think a person's constitution can only with stand so much resistance, and the position a leader is placed in makes the consequence of that resistance much greater. Although Miranda is very human, if she were in a situation where the council was hunting down humans, registering them, chipping and tracking them, I would not be surprised to see her assassinate council memebrs or attack Thessia in some fashion.

The woman has a strong will, no qeustion there, but if she's fighting for more than herself and she can't find another resolution to a problem, she'll definitely take the less popular option.

[AgitatedLemon]

To hop back on topic...



Dat... Character development.



You go... ManShep?

[nitefyre410]

and thus ends the most interest discussion I had the BSN ever.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

What I was originally trying to say about Magneto is that neither him nor Xavier are right or wrong since the thesis of what they consider to be a "resolution" are basically the same; peace for their people. Which brings me back to Miranda and TIM. I think the comparrison to Magneto and TIM are fair, if his desire is truly human dominance and not something more sinister. Miranda is also like Magneto since she's proven to be the type of person who would be willing to do just about anything to achieve her goals, with little thought to the enemy, while Xavier would have been a pure pacifist if he wasn't pushed by MAgneto or the government.

While I mostly agree with this, I'm not sure Miranda is as ruthless as Magneto. Sure, she's more than willing to cross lines, but she isn't... How do I word this...

Let me put it this way... She still has morals.

Given, I don't know all of the meta-Magneto's or all of his alternate versions, but a few of the mainstreams depict him in a bad light (With good intentions, don't get me wrong), but a bit of a cold, soulless dick. A cold soulless dick truly, and not just a facade.

That's fair, but being raised in a labor camp and hated for being a German Jew in the 1930's, thinking he'd escape that by coming to American then having to deal with the same thing again once everyone learns about mutants. Yes Miranda has morals, and so did Magneto at one point, but I think a person's constitution can only with stand so much resistance, and the position a leader is placed in makes the consequence of that resistance much greater. Although Miranda is very human, if she were in a situation where the council was hunting down humans, registering them, chipping and tracking them, I would not be surprised to see her assassinate council memebrs or attack Thessia in some fashion.

The woman has a strong will, no qeustion there, but if she's fighting for more than herself and she can't find another resolution to a problem, she'll definitely take the less popular option.

A number of good points as well, I had forgotten about Magneto's origin story.

But anyway... Let's hop back on topic of Miranda.

I posted some images a second ago.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:10 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

He strikes me as closer to Lex Luthor.

What makes you say that?

[AgitatedLemon]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

He strikes me as closer to Lex Luthor.

What makes you say that?

His super rich superstar billionaire persona.

I hate Lex Luthor, and anything having to do with the abomination of storytelling that is Superman.

[ThomGau]

Thank you lemon for the nice pics ! The Simone de Beauvoir quote is a very nice touch : " On ne naît pas femme : on le devient ", especially if Miranda is concerned
 Makes me remember how culturaly rich ME is, I loved when Thane quoted Thomas Hobbes .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

Thank you lemon for the nice pics ! The Simone de Beauvoir quote is a very nice touch : " On ne naît pas femme : on le devient ", especially if Miranda is concerned
 

Very nice touch, agreed.

[Halfdan The Menace]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

He strikes me as closer to Lex Luthor.

What makes you say that?

His super rich superstar billionaire persona.

I hate Lex Luthor, and anything having to do with the abomination of storytelling that is Superman.

Hmm..agreed. Mr. Lawson Luthor is described as "a power-mad, evil scientist" of high intelligence and incredible technological prowess. His goals typically center on killing Superman, usually as a stepping stone to world domination. Dunno about the "bald" part, Kryptonite radiation? Heh!

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

Thank you lemon for the nice pics ! The Simone de Beauvoir quote is a very nice touch : " On ne naît pas femme : on le devient ", especially if Miranda is concerned
 Makes me remember how culturaly rich ME is, I loved when Thane quoted Thomas Hobbes .

You don't f**k with Thomas Hobbes.

[Halfdan The Menace]

*edited, double post*

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[ThomGau]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

You don't f**k with Thomas Hobbes.

No you don't, that's for sure !

[AgitatedLemon]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of comics, anybody else get Norman Osborn vibes from Mr. Lawson?

I don't know... Given all this legacy talk and how many questionable things he may have done in its pursuit I'm thinking more Mr. Sinister.

 

and guess what Mr.Essex did exactly that but  and  just  like Miranda she is fighting against him taking over...

Though I can still see the comparison between Mr.Lawson and  Norman espeically when  the ultimate version but that did not turn out to  well for  Harry and I not keen on see Miranda pummeled by her crazy father.

Dunno who he is (Miri's dad), he's probably "evil Bruce Wayne"...

He strikes me as closer to Lex Luthor.

What makes you say that?

His super rich superstar billionaire persona.

I hate Lex Luthor, and anything having to do with the abomination of storytelling that is Superman.

Hmm..agreed. Mr. Lawson Luthor is described as "a power-mad, evil scientist" of high intelligence and incredible technological prowess. His goals typically center on killing Superman, usually as a stepping stone to world domination. Dunno about the "bald" part, Kryptonite radiation? Heh!

Part of me wants BioWare to rename Mr. Lawson "Lex Lawson".

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
His super rich superstar billionaire persona.

To try to keep things on topic, I will reiterate my hope that Mr.Lawson's design is as banal as possible. Nor fat, nor thin. Nor handsome, nor ugly, with absolute zero striking features. The type of man that you could pass on the street and not think twice about.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
His super rich superstar billionaire persona.

To try to keep things on topic, I will reiterate my hope that Mr.Lawson's design is as banal as possible. Nor fat, nor thin. Nor handsome, nor ugly, with absolute zero striking features. The type of man that you could pass on the street and not think twice about.

As do I.

Nothing extremely bombastic.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
To try to keep things on topic, I will reiterate my hope that Mr.Lawson's design is as banal as possible. Nor fat, nor thin. Nor handsome, nor ugly, with absolute zero striking features. The type of man that you could pass on the street and not think twice about.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with for this. He's rich, and probably used to being treated like royalty, so I'm not sure he should come across as... ordinary in all respects. I also wonder whether he's strict with himself in terms of his training regimen, or whatever, mentally and physically.

There's a lot of room to work here, since we know so little about him.

But I think it makes sense that genetic enhancements wouldn't be the only avenue he has pursued in order to preserve his "legacy."

Modifié par flemm, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:33 .

[ThomGau]

I never thought of how he would look like . Now that I think of it, just like MisterJB, I imagine him as a normal man, neither bulky / fat nor slim . An old man maybe, with grey hair . But that's all .

Modifié par ThomGau, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:37 .

[13commander]

Hey guys don't know if it was posted but IGN has made a top 10 squadmate list and Miranda is on it .

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1215424p1.html 

the list is a bit meh but i like what they are saying about Miri

"7. Miranda

A Cerberus officer with strong leadership skills, Miranda acts as Shepard's XO (and possible SO) on the Normandy in Mass Effect 2. A deep and complex character, her skills as an officer and commander hide her insecurities as a leader, a love for her sister and pledge to keep her out of harm's way, and a commitment to saving the galaxy. Miranda was a huge addition to the group dynamic in the franchise, and will play a big part in the final chapter of Shepard's saga this year. "

P.S. don't know what they mean by SO ? maybe Something other ? like a LI :-??

Modifié par 13commander, 06 janvier 2012 - 10:42 .