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kareatix wrote...

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IsaacShep wrote...

"A heart's a complex thing, Shepard. Yeah, I could blame you for indecision. But you think I've never been pulled in two directions?"

His own words, in ME1 :)


I see what you did there :devil: Never thought of that interpretation.

Hell, if Kaidan does turn out to be bi in ME3, I'm gonna need another male Shep run. Excuse me while I go save Eden Prime again...




Oh...yeah, I can see how that could be interpretated in that way Image IPB, I personaly hope he is bi, Elijah Shepard wants to confess his love badly! Image IPBImage IPB. Oh...also....Why haven't I heard this line in the game before??? Where does it take place? 



It's after the Liara/Kaidan/Femshep confrontation (when you choose Kaidan).



Oh...alright. Well that explains why I've never heard it, I've never done the love triangle thing. Just Kaidan for me Image IPB

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noxpanda wrote...

Woah i was just gonna ounce in and jump around declaring how much i looove the multiplayer, but i see theres an arguement going on.....

So ill continue on regardless!

Asari adept + stasis + sniper rifle is sooooooooooo much freaking fun! I thought i'd suck at MP but im doing quite well!
<...>

Presense of krogan sentinel almost made me go into multiplayer.

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Im with u Box. My Kaid is straight in my Sheps universe that is all that matters. Its not like he is going to stop talking to her mid sentance to gawk at some muscle head.


So back to Anderson I think the reasonhe doesn't grab femshep is cause she could break his hand. You never never never comment on a chicks weight. Man survival guide rule 1.

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darksoulenigma wrote...

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Am I the only one here that just don't care about Kaidan's sexuality ? As long as he is romanceable for my FemShep - I'm happy.



I will sit with you, if you don't mind.

I'll add for my own part, I'm happy for those who were hoping for it to happen if it does...

I still love Kaidan. lol


More or less this.  I happen to be a straight female, and if Kaidan is avaliable for a m/m romance, I won't pursue it (though only because I don't play as a guy, personally).  However, if any other Kaidan fans are thrilled at this being an option, then I am very happy for them.

Apologies if this was worded badly and I offended anyone; not my intention.

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darksoulenigma wrote...

Does anyone have the link for the facebook/multiplayer offer???



apps.facebook.com/mass-effect/

hope it works.

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dirae wrote...

Even in ME1, with Liara heavily hinting at interest in Shepard, its Shepard that pushes. Even vocal characters won't act. They're content to voice their opinions and forever love Shepard from afar/unrequited if he/she doesn't pursue them. In fact, if you stop talking to them forever, they never approach you. You have to physically go to their work stations and explicitly broach the topic.


But that is the fail in my opinion. You shouldn't have to ignore or be rude to turn off the romance switch. The same with getting close to the characters, you shouldn't have to romance them as well.

Bioware recognized that the "friendship" and romantic paths were not the best and are supposed to have improved on them. I am keeping my fingers crossed that its true. Image IPB

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But if he'd turn out to be bi, why does he ignore you so much in Mass Effect 1? It's really difficult to get into any conversation with Kaidan as male Shepard, he doesn't want to talk about anything because he's afraid you'll think he's a whiner. Even Femshep and Ash talk more.

For instance, when male Shepard walks out of the infirmary all Kaidan says is "Glad to see you're okay, Commander." As Femshep, you can talk to both Ash and Kaidan, but as Maleshep you can only talk to Ash.

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Kaidan's getting shot in the head, if he hits on my Shepard. Sorry bro, don't swing from the back.

Bioware I am disappointed if Kaidan is bi. He was the only human squadmember I liked! Damn you.

Modifié par StonedBatman, 15 février 2012 - 09:15 .


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 What the hell, where has all this hate come from? I think it's awesome that Kaidan a S/S romance, he should have been from the start. I just happened to have finished my no romance shep in anticipation of this. Now it seems that hasn't been in vain. :o.
Even completed all the crappy N7 missions. 
Also a minute of silence for my fish... The WHOLE game I fed them after every mission, but completely forgot doing the N7 missions and they all died :'(

:wizard:

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darksoulenigma wrote...

Does anyone have the link for the facebook/multiplayer offer???


Here is the thread about early MP access via facebook
You can find there the facebook-link

Modifié par sanmar, 15 février 2012 - 09:15 .


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 On the S/S debate - I've dated a guy who came out as bi a few years later. He was worried what we would think of him. Sure, ME is set like 200 years in the future and values change, but Kaidan's a reclusive person, I can sorta imagine him keeping it secret. And tbh, I'm more worried about what they'll do with his entire character, seeing as they don't have his original writer on board any longer. :?

*Also I'm slightly annoyed I missed the Horrible Histories topic - that and a certain anime which I won't mention because it's known as much for its yaoi fangirls as its history managed to make me more interested in historical events than school ever did*

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Queen Deadite wrote...

So back to Anderson I think the reasonhe doesn't grab femshep is cause she could break his hand. You never never never comment on a chicks weight. Man survival guide rule 1.


-lol, this <3

hey, you mp playing lucky bast..errm, people, what are the races available btw? i assume there's no chance for a hanar, huh? ^^'

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PMC65 wrote...

dirae wrote...

Even in ME1, with Liara heavily hinting at interest in Shepard, its Shepard that pushes. Even vocal characters won't act. They're content to voice their opinions and forever love Shepard from afar/unrequited if he/she doesn't pursue them. In fact, if you stop talking to them forever, they never approach you. You have to physically go to their work stations and explicitly broach the topic.


But that is the fail in my opinion. You shouldn't have to ignore or be rude to turn off the romance switch. The same with getting close to the characters, you shouldn't have to romance them as well.

Bioware recognized that the "friendship" and romantic paths were not the best and are supposed to have improved on them. I am keeping my fingers crossed that its true. Image IPB


You don't have to ignore or be rude to them.  You pick the neutral (non-flirty option).  The only exception to this is Liara, who flat out asks you (unavoidably) if you're interested.  This same uncomfortable situation never arises in ME2, so I think ME3 will probably be safe from it too.

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Commodore Q wrote...

 What the hell, where has all this hate come from? I think it's awesome that Kaidan a S/S romance, he should have been from the start. I just happened to have finished my no romance shep in anticipation of this. Now it seems that hasn't been in vain. :o.
Even completed all the crappy N7 missions. 
Also a minute of silence for my fish... The WHOLE game I fed them after every mission, but completely forgot doing the N7 missions and they all died :'(

:wizard:


RIP

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StonedBatman wrote...

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DA2 was just stupid with the romances. And it was a fail. Go figure.


Oh the glory of having different opinions <3 calling out on DA was not my point.
My point was that we deserve and m/m option. So far mass effect has been devoid of any and it's not fair.


Sure, you guys deserve it. But not Kaidan. Nor any other old squadmate. You guys should get new squadmates for S/S.


In a tiny walled off ghetto where no one ever has to see.

It's not like anyone who doesnt want bi-Kaidain will EVER see it if they don't want to. As others and myself have pointed out, romances don't happen unless you A.Broach the topic first, or B.repeated push the Love Interest into being a love interest. And even then, the L.I. very quickly backs and never talks about it again if you break it off. 

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The two different directions could apply to two females, not a same sex interest you know. I think most of us have had 2 love interests in our lives at some point. Like one man isn't enough trouble what 31 year old Jen wishes she could tell 18 year old Jen.

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Oi, all these debates is making me want to avoid BSN all together.

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 15 février 2012 - 09:18 .


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People lighten up about the s/s romance. And one or two of you are very small minded about it too, Cant be straight and then bi in ME3. You do know not everyone goes round saying they like guys, some keep it quiet. if Bioware does add the option to romance Kaidan as MaleShep then all it takes is clever writing 

 " Shepard theres something I need to tell you after all these years together, I like you more than friends"
 see done.

You do know that just because Kaidan may be a partner for MaleShep or FemShep doesnt make either one canon. YOUR story is canon, Thats all that matters. Get over it. Bioware have every right to make their characters the way they want. Hearing some of you say that he just turned gay after being with girls all his life, it wouldnt happen. If s/s relationships opens the game more for people then I'm fine with it. Their not forcing you to make your Shepard gay. Jeez.

Next subject please.

Such as Liara and Shepard was very close in the Shadow Broker DLC (omg epic dlc) I kept thinking oh god no I didnt romance her! Kaidan will hate me! No don't sit on the bed! lol Thank god they was just close friends. I paniced for a moment.


I love this, so much.

It doesn't hurt anybody's canon if he's suddenly available for mSheps. I'm sick of people not wanting to get gay on them and trying to force homosexuals back in the closet. No, you don't have to agree with someone's lifestyle, but you can sure as hell treat them like the human being that they are. Most gays and/or bisexual people aren't "in your face" about it unless they're outright attacked. I'm not part of the LBGT community, but the sheer inhumanity that these people are constantly faced with poisons my soul. 

And do people honestly think that he's suddenly going to be some sort of cutsey twinkle-toes? No. He's Kaidan, that guy that snapped a turian's neck with a kick when he was 16. He's the same man who has strong convictions of right and wrong, the same man that treats everyone with decency and respect. 

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StonedBatman wrote...

Kaidan's getting shot in the head, if he hits on my Shepard. Sorry bro, don't swing from the back.

Bioware I am disappointed if Kaidan is bi. He was the only human squadmember I liked! Damn you.


Trolls are present :pinched:

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txmn1016 wrote...

StonedBatman wrote...

Kaidan's getting shot in the head, if he hits on my Shepard. Sorry bro, don't swing from the back.

Bioware I am disappointed if Kaidan is bi. He was the only human squadmember I liked! Damn you.


Trolls are present :pinched:


I don't make myself known until I say this: TROLOLOLOLOLOO

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PMC65 wrote...

dirae wrote...

Even in ME1, with Liara heavily hinting at interest in Shepard, its Shepard that pushes. Even vocal characters won't act. They're content to voice their opinions and forever love Shepard from afar/unrequited if he/she doesn't pursue them. In fact, if you stop talking to them forever, they never approach you. You have to physically go to their work stations and explicitly broach the topic.


But that is the fail in my opinion. You shouldn't have to ignore or be rude to turn off the romance switch. The same with getting close to the characters, you shouldn't have to romance them as well.

Bioware recognized that the "friendship" and romantic paths were not the best and are supposed to have improved on them. I am keeping my fingers crossed that its true. Image IPB

ME1 romances, or at least the way it seemed with Kaidan, were a little ninja-y.  I think he still "likes" you even if you pick the neutral options until you blow him off after the final meeting with the council.  Liara, on the other hand, was way too pushy, which is why I didn't really like her character in the first game.  Then the reverse happened in ME2 and I thought the dialogue options for romance were too blunt, like Thane's talking about his dead wife and then, "I want you" shows up and made me not want to click it.  I hope in ME3 that characters still want to talk to you even if you don't romance them.  I thought I was making good headway with Jack until she said something about how she's not gay and would you just **** off already.   :(

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you-aholic wrote...

* snip *

Next subject please.

Such as Liara and Shepard was very close in the Shadow Broker DLC (omg epic dlc) I kept thinking oh god no I didnt romance her! Kaidan will hate me! No don't sit on the bed! lol Thank god they was just close friends. I paniced for a moment.


Quick question regarding Liara and LotSB...if I don't invite Liara to the Normandy, do I not get Shepard's dog tags? I know it's a little redundant since Anderson gives them to you himself in the demo, but I was just wondering about that.

I have to admit, I was a little cold to her this last playthrough of LotSB (hence not inviting her to the Normandy). Maybe it's because I'm so anxious to get Kaidan back already, lol.

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dirae wrote...

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dirae wrote...

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sigh, he was not meant to be bi, they recorded femshep dialogue with Mark meer and they concidered it once the redundant dialogue was done, but discarded the idea, becasue it didn't sound right.  and part of it, I think was dued to the way Eden Prime/Citadel flirting/ medbay scene is set up.  they are very distinctly favorite femshep, so they would litteraly have to add extra scenes (not just romance scene)  and add dialogue to account for that.  same with Ashley.


I suggest you look up "intent" in the dictionary. Intent has NO bearing on feasibility or final product. If there was no intent, why record dialogue? THAT is my point. Also, recording booth time can be relatively expensive. If there was NO intent, no recording.


becasue they DIDN't intend.  they recorded redundant dialogue becasue at the time, they were STILL using paper and it was faster, easier and cheaper to record all then try to separate out the 5% of the dialogue that was romance specific.  and that's how we ended up with male Shepard telling off Harkin about calling him a princes, and asking Liara if she wanted to romance him, despite him being a woman.

as an artists, sometimes things I do end up with unintended result.  if the result is good, I end up using it even if its not something I originaly intended.  but if it doesn't fit?  I discared and remake.  this is what they did with ME1.  something they did ended up with unintended result so they tried to see if they could use it, but discarded it anyways, becasue it didn't work and they didn't have time to make it work.

You just disproved your own point. A sketch for example, you try different arm poses. The very act of drawing an arm in a dozen different angles before settling on a contrepasto, for example means you have exactly 12 intentions.. Each arm pose was drawn as a possible option.  Somewhere along the line people confuse "intent" with concrete finality and even success. And just like the game, you can see various intentions that didn't pan out, by putting that piece of paper in spectrograph or carbon dust you can see strokes that were put down and then erased.


no, you completely misinterpreted what I said as well as the situation. 

to take your example - you want to draw an arm, and you keep trying different poses, but the arm is shaping into an alien claw instead.  and hey.. that's actualy a pretty cool looking alien claw, something you can use in a different drawing!  THIS is the king of unintended, yet useful conseuqence I'm talking about.  except in case of ME1 romances, they didn't get a useful claw, they got a misshapen arm that didn't quite fit.


and to reiterate.  Kaidan being avaialbel for male shep is not my issue, as much as how.  which is why I'm waiting for the game to come out to find out.  but if they give them Tali treatement ("aka I've always loved you and hidden it, no matter how you treated me" copy pasted from femshep romance (whom at least he visibly had a crush on in ME1 ))
the only way for me to keep liking his character is to ignore the romance all together.  male OR female.

I'm not like some of you.  i don't compartmentalize.  the only headcanon i engage in is the one that defines the characters I create.  Shepards, Hawkes, Wardens. as hard as I try, i cannot sucessfuly apply the same to characters that were NOT written by me.  i tried once for Kaast promt.  I felt uncomfortable even with minor changes i made to how events happend in real game.

call it a failing.  meh.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 15 février 2012 - 09:27 .


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Truby-Liz wrote...

 On the S/S debate - I've dated a guy who came out as bi a few years later. He was worried what we would think of him. Sure, ME is set like 200 years in the future and values change, but Kaidan's a reclusive person, I can sorta imagine him keeping it secret. And tbh, I'm more worried about what they'll do with his entire character, seeing as they don't have his original writer on board any longer. :?

*Also I'm slightly annoyed I missed the Horrible Histories topic - that and a certain anime which I won't mention because it's known as much for its yaoi fangirls as its history managed to make me more interested in historical events than school ever did*


PASTAAAAAAAA~

I am so sorry I had to. 

No wait I'm not even sorry XD

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