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[SolidBeast]

devSin wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Mostly, I am refuting your argument that there would be an uproar in such a situation since it would include "converting" characters - but that would still have nothing to do with this case since Kaidan never states he is only interested in women. Thus, he has not been "converted" into a bisexual. Same goes for a m/m option who never explicitly says they're only interested in men.

I agree that the feeling is irrational, but feelings are like that sometimes. People who feel this way will lose nothing (and it's almost impossible to think it would ever be hinted at in a game with female Shepard, even if he really does become an option for male Shepard), but actuality isn't always the loudest voice when it comes to emotions.

You're trying to fight emotion with logic. Stop it. :-)

I understood. Hence my last sentence.

Estelindis wrote...
You would not find it politically incorrect for a character who had
previously only shown romantic interest in characters of the same sex to
be written later on as showing interest in both sexes, and neither
would Isaac.  Since I haven't noticed anyone else commenting on the
subject, it gives a 100% contrary response to the feeling I would have
expected, so, even if a sample size of two is quite small, it's still
quite an interesting result!

You are not refuting any argument,
since, as I said, I wasn't making one, only describing my feeling.
 Nonetheless, given the above results, you are entitled to describe my
feeling as incorrect, or, at least, as inaccurate.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

It did not seem that way to me at first, but I realized and I accept that. I can't argue with your feelings, so I only responded to the assumption from your first post.

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...
But isn't there a difference between ninja and simple interest?

A character like Leliana could ninja you because of some ugly bugs in her dialogue, but otherwise was she really treating you as if you had already expressed interest in her simply by talking? Alistair could like you, but isn't it always clear that you go this way for romance and that way for friendship?

Jade Empire and Mass Effect are ninjamancing because you're in the romance by default. You have to tell them to step off to get out of it, instead of having it actually be mutual to enter into it.

To me, the latter is inexcusable (stay away from me!). But there's nothing wrong with a character letting you know that your SEX ME NOW! spay is working.

Leliana was talking about my PC and her laying under the stars and how she was being cheated on. That's a ninja. Anders and his little crush dialogue if Hawke was too nice was just interest. I'm aware of the difference

...to this day I have no way of knowing how to end Carth's romance other than being DS and well...you know what happens with that. :innocent:

Alistair also has the "oh we're together!" stuff where I just go "wait...what?" and the "choose me or her." bit which...yeah I was very very confused. Thankfully the DA romances are really easy to put a end to at any time. (ME on the other hand...). Oddly enough the one I found the least likely to ninja me was Zevran and Morrigan. (she thankfully tends to ask to confirm the romance if you accidently trigger her when her approval is high.) [and frankly high approval is where the ninjamancing tends to happen. Say the wrong thing then wham. ]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2012 - 12:22 .

[darksoulenigma]

Solid Beast, is there any way you could tell me how you were able to add a moving gif into your avi?

I was trying to change my pic and didn't see an option to link our own gifs or photos.

love your gif, btw

Modifié par darksoulenigma, 16 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[devSin]

I don't remember the Leliana line, but I know there are some bugs in her plot dialogues that can totally mess her romance flags. You think you're safe, and then she has you. :-)

To me, the Origins stuff are bugs. I don't think they usually wrote from the perspective of just treating you as partners by default, although I suppose Alistair could have stupid lines like that (but he shouldn't actually think you're in a romance without you starting one up that I can recall). You fell victim to somebody getting their flags mixed up, not to a character that's intended to treat you like a piece of meat.

(I actually never played KotOR. Only BioWare game I haven't played, and one that I never will, so I don't know what was happening there.)

But in Jade Empire and Mass Effect, they just throw the opposite gender at you and see who comes out on top. And they did it on purpose.

Modifié par devSin, 16 février 2012 - 12:25 .

[SolidBeast]

darksoulenigma wrote...

Solid Beast, is there any way you could tell me how you were able to add a moving gif into your avi?

I was trying to change my pic and didn't see an option to link our own gifs or photos.

love your gif, btw

You need either DA:O or DA:O's Character Creator. Here's what you have to do.

And thanks.

edit: Better guide.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 16 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[WhoKnew]

Ryzaki wrote...

WhoKnew wrote...

 I never understood ninjamancing. I guess after a few Bioware games it gets easier to pick up threads of a beginning romance. No disrespect to Bioware meant by that, it just becomes easier.

Alistair was the perfect man, too, so him ninjamancing doesn't matter.
:innocent:
I am so reminded of that fish pheromone spray they use in Futurama to catch fish.

*snip*
"I'm sooo into you!"

I'e been playing BW games since KOTOR and they still ninja me every single time. What happened to being able to just talk to a guy/girl in friendship? Hell even when I insult them they still keep coming.

LOL that's exactly what my poor PCs feel like.

Haha. Say what you like about DA2 and its romances, at least that little heart appeared when you wanted to flirt. Sometimes you can choose an option in ME1 when talking to Liara that you assume will be "Are you ok?" and it ends up being something along the lines oh "O, dear, are you well? My heart could not go on if anything were to happen to my love!"
And then there's me sat there like  "what the- I- huh? I like Kaidan!". Then there's some contrasts. I know it's not Bioware and the romance was cut, but getting Atton to open up was like beating someone to death with cotton candy at times.

[Estelindis]

Personally, I didn't find the DA:O romances to be the least bit ninja-y. I never expressed romantic interest in Leliana or Zevran, and they never acted like we were in a romantic relationship. Zevran's one overture was easy enough to turn down; he was very much a gentleman about it. (I do wish there was a dialogue option for "don't you know I'm already with X?" when they start flirting with a PC who already romantically involved, though.) For all I know, Alistair might be ninja-y, but I wouldn't have the faintest idea, because my city elf flirted with him a few times before he took things down that road.

On the subject of "I'm already involved," I never did understand why Liara started off her romantic inquiry by asking my Shep if she was interested in Kaidan and then, when she said she was, still persisting in asking if she cared about her. I mean, she presents it as if she doesn't want to distrupt whatever might already be there, but then, um, does.

Anyhoo, I get the impression that Kaidan's romance could be quite ninja-y in the sense if I've heard that if you're not rude to him the romance is fairly hard to stop. If that's the case, I wish Bioware would stop doing that. One shouldn't have to be a jerk to signal a lack of romantic interest in a character.

[Ryzaki]

devSin wrote...

I don't remember the Leliana line, but I know there are some bugs in her plot dialogues that can totally mess her romance flags. You think you're safe, and then she has you. :-)

To me, the Origins stuff are bugs. I don't think they usually wrote from the perspective of just treating you as partners by default, although I suppose Alistair could have stupid lines like that.

But in Jade Empire and Mass Effect, they just throw the opposite gender at you and see who comes out on top. And they did it on purpose.

It probably wasn't. Didn't make it any less annoying though.

Yeah that was pretty >_> come on BW. And if I have the misfortune of accidently triggering the romance and then avoiding the character for the rest of the game don't lock me into the damn romance. Give me an out. I don't care how late in the game it is. DAO, DA2 (and even JE!) at least realized this. [even if with JE I had to be a douche or wait til like mid game just to tell the dude I wasn't interested (and woe betide if I wanted to romance the chick and didn't tell the dude to GTFO fast enough. He stopped me from romancing her. <_<]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2012 - 12:28 .

[Ryzaki]

WhoKnew wrote...
Haha. Say what you like about DA2 and its romances, at least that little heart appeared when you wanted to flirt. Sometimes you can choose an option in ME1 when talking to Liara that you assume will be "Are you ok?" and it ends up being something along the lines oh "O, dear, are you well? My heart could not go on if anything were to happen to my love!"
And then there's me sat there like  "what the- I- huh? I like Kaidan!". Then there's some contrasts. I know it's not Bioware and the romance was cut, but getting Atton to open up was like beating someone to death with cotton candy at times.

I love that little heart. Only way I ever got into a romance was my own damn fault.

LOL same except replace Kaidan with "NO ROMANCE!" and Liara's renedouche bug where if he said the renegade No she kept on coming and there was no way out. My poor renedouche.

Seriously Atton is the one character I *wanted* to ninja me. Do I get Atton romance? Nope. >_> It's a conspiracy I say.

[syllogi]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I've gotten complaints of a few inappropriate images being posted to this thread, and have found two of them that I've had to remove. So this is a reminder that this forum (and thread) is rated PG, not PG-13 or M. This means we will not tolerate images or links containing explicit male or female nudity. Images of sex toys are similarly forbidden.

Secondly, please note that quoting such material is nearly as bad as posting it in the first place, as the offending image appears in a post you made and Moderators have to clean up yet another post. Let's please keep these things in mind when discussing Kaidan in this thread. Sharing it in private is one thing, posting it publicly on the forum is quite another thing entirely.

Thank you.

Thanks, Stanley.

Shirtless pics make it hard enough to jump into this thread during working hours, I really want to be able to come here when I'm at home, and my son is looking over my shoulder (he likes to check out people's avatars).  I'm not asking for censorship, but please be considerate of others.

[ZehnWaters]

Pic by baerenbeere.deviantart.com/

[Estelindis]

Ryzaki wrote...


Seriously Atton is the one character I *wanted* to ninja me. Do I get Atton romance? Nope. >_> It's a conspiracy I say. 

I feel your pain.    Especially because the game seemed to decide that I was into freaking Disciple, the limpest, wettest of all LIs, when I wanted Atton from the first word he said to my Exile.    Normally I love the shiny good paladin-y types, and always fall for the guy that many describe as boring because he's too nice, but Disciple...?  He was nothing.  Genuinely flavourless.  In him, all the complaints that people make about Casavir because they wanted to romance Bishop, or about Kaidan because they wanted to romance Garrus (though, of course, now they can), suddenly make a lot more sense.  Not that I'm really comparing Bishop (the jerk) to the awesomeness that is Garrus, you understand...

Modifié par Estelindis, 16 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[madlily]

Morning Kaiden fans, I see that the thread moved hella quick overnight and went to read through them, saw the arguing and jumped straight to here instead... 

Ninja'd a pic of Kaiden cause I needed a fix!! 

[WhoKnew]

Ryzaki wrote...

WhoKnew wrote...
Haha. Say what you like about DA2 and its romances, at least that little heart appeared when you wanted to flirt. Sometimes you can choose an option in ME1 when talking to Liara that you assume will be "Are you ok?" and it ends up being something along the lines oh "O, dear, are you well? My heart could not go on if anything were to happen to my love!"
And then there's me sat there like  "what the- I- huh? I like Kaidan!". Then there's some contrasts. I know it's not Bioware and the romance was cut, but getting Atton to open up was like beating someone to death with cotton candy at times.

I love that little heart. Only way I ever got into a romance was my own damn fault.

LOL same except replace Kaidan with "NO ROMANCE!" and Liara's renedouche bug where if he said the renegade No she kept on coming and there was no way out. My poor renedouche.

Seriously Atton is the one character I *wanted* to ninja me. Do I get Atton romance? Nope. >_> It's a conspiracy I say.

 Liara was persistent. The trick is to stick with the middle options, even if they seem more douche-y than the typical Paragon top option. She gets the idea eventually. 

Argh, I played KOTOR2 ages ago (I actually think I was about 13 or 14 years old) and I fell in love with Atton (dat voice). KOTOR2 was the first RPG I ever played and Atton was my first ever fangirl crush when every other girl in my classes were getting into celebrities and the like.

I know this pic was the background on my huge brick phone for a while:

Consarnit I need to find me a copy of KOTOR2 again!  

Modifié par WhoKnew, 16 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[ZehnWaters]

syllogi wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I've gotten complaints of a few inappropriate images being posted to this thread, and have found two of them that I've had to remove. So this is a reminder that this forum (and thread) is rated PG, not PG-13 or M. This means we will not tolerate images or links containing explicit male or female nudity. Images of sex toys are similarly forbidden.

Secondly, please note that quoting such material is nearly as bad as posting it in the first place, as the offending image appears in a post you made and Moderators have to clean up yet another post. Let's please keep these things in mind when discussing Kaidan in this thread. Sharing it in private is one thing, posting it publicly on the forum is quite another thing entirely.

Thank you.

Thanks, Stanley.

Shirtless pics make it hard enough to jump into this thread during working hours, I really want to be able to come here when I'm at home, and my son is looking over my shoulder (he likes to check out people's avatars).  I'm not asking for censorship, but please be considerate of others.

How do you do the little Spoiler collapse thing?  I try to keep my pics clean (I think at least!), but some are shirtless.

[soren7550]

A bit off topic, but I just got my copy of 'Art of the Mass Effect Universe' *way* early. Can't say I'm not tempted to be a dick and upload all the ME3 stuff, but then that means I'd spoil myself.

I do know there is some Kaidan in there though. *goes back to art book*

[ZehnWaters]

WhoKnew wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

WhoKnew wrote...
Haha. Say what you like about DA2 and its romances, at least that little heart appeared when you wanted to flirt. Sometimes you can choose an option in ME1 when talking to Liara that you assume will be "Are you ok?" and it ends up being something along the lines oh "O, dear, are you well? My heart could not go on if anything were to happen to my love!"
And then there's me sat there like  "what the- I- huh? I like Kaidan!". Then there's some contrasts. I know it's not Bioware and the romance was cut, but getting Atton to open up was like beating someone to death with cotton candy at times.

I love that little heart. Only way I ever got into a romance was my own damn fault.

LOL same except replace Kaidan with "NO ROMANCE!" and Liara's renedouche bug where if he said the renegade No she kept on coming and there was no way out. My poor renedouche.

Seriously Atton is the one character I *wanted* to ninja me. Do I get Atton romance? Nope. >_> It's a conspiracy I say.

 Liara was persistent. The trick is to stick with the middle options, even if they seem more douche-y than the typical Paragon top option. She gets the idea eventually. 

Argh, I played KOTOR2 ages ago (I actually think I was about 13 or 14 years old) and I fell in love with Atton (dat voice). KOTOR2 was the first RPG I ever played and Atton was my first ever fangirl crush when every other girl in my classes were getting into celebrities and the like.

I know this pic was the background on my huge brick phone for a while:

Consarnit I need to find me a copy of KOTOR2 again!  

Love Atton!  Man, though, talk about a game with Cut Content!  Atton even died during one of them after getting sliced up by Darth Sion.  Pretty morbid stuff.  Game was still awesome.

[Ryzaki]

Estelindis wrote...
I feel your pain.    Especially because the game seemed to decide that I was into freaking Disciple, the limpest, wettest of all LIs, when I wanted Atton from the first word he said to my Exile.    Normally I love the shiny good paladin-y types, and always fall for the guy that many describe as boring because he's too nice, but Disciple...?  He was nothing.  Genuinely flavourless.  In him, all the complaints that people make about Casavir because they wanted to romance Bishop, or about Kaidan because they wanted to romance Garrus (though, of course, now they can), suddenly make a lot more sense.  Not that I'm really comparing Bishop (the jerk) to the awesomeness that is Garrus, you understand...

LMAO preach!

[leighzard]

Wow, that was a lot of pages. So...

@Kaidan's sexuality - the more, the merrier. It's okay to be gay. It's also okay not to be gay. Isn't diversity great?

@"The doctor" - yeah, it's great that Kaidan was putting himself back out there. I'd like to think he didn't spend the past three years not getting any, but all the same, if I ever meet that b---, I will cut her.

@Woo's reappearance in thread - wait, I missed inappropriate pictures? Damn.

@Ryzaki - I do not have a nut allergy and you are totally right about that chocolate cake thing. And brownies, too. It's almost as bad as raisins masquerading as chocolate chips in oatmeal cookies.

@Priestly's import comments - I might have to play a new Shep first. Then I can work on getting the tweaks to combat down, I don't have to decide what to do with my silly love triangle (I usually use my Shep that moved on as "tester" but I might let her stay with Garrus), and I can get to know the squad. That way, when loyal-cannon-Shep's turn comes around her playthrough can be perfect

@ninjamancing - I know, right?! Leliana is the freakin worst! I get that there was that one warden who asked her about her relationship with Marjolaine and she might have seen that as an opening, but I had to break up with her in a playthrough where all I said was that I liked shoes! I mean, we talked about what that warden was doing with Alistair and then she got all sad when they got engaged.

[Ryzaki]

WhoKnew wrote...
 Liara was persistent. The trick is to stick with the middle options, even if they seem more douche-y than the typical Paragon top option. She gets the idea eventually. 

Argh, I played KOTOR2 ages ago (I actually think I was about 13 or 14 years old) and I fell in love with Atton (dat voice). KOTOR2 was the first RPG I ever played and Atton was my first ever fangirl crush when every other girl in my classes were getting into celebrities and the like.

I know this pic was the background on my huge brick phone for a while:
*snip*
Consarnit I need to find me a copy of KOTOR2 again!  

She was! Just wouldn't stop coming! Thankfully I know that trick now but still poor poor renedouche.

Yes dat voice.

I feel a need to replay KOTOR2 now.

ZehnWaters wrote...
Love Atton!  Man, though, talk about a game with Cut Content!  Atton even died during one of them after getting sliced up by Darth Sion.  Pretty morbid stuff.  Game was still awesome.

You mean this? 

[WhoKnew]

Ryzaki wrote...

WhoKnew wrote...
 Liara was persistent. The trick is to stick with the middle options, even if they seem more douche-y than the typical Paragon top option. She gets the idea eventually. 

Argh, I played KOTOR2 ages ago (I actually think I was about 13 or 14 years old) and I fell in love with Atton (dat voice). KOTOR2 was the first RPG I ever played and Atton was my first ever fangirl crush when every other girl in my classes were getting into celebrities and the like.

I know this pic was the background on my huge brick phone for a while:
*snip*
Consarnit I need to find me a copy of KOTOR2 again!  

She was! Just wouldn't stop coming! Thankfully I know that trick now but still poor poor renedouche.

Yes dat voice.

I feel a need to replay KOTOR2 now.

ZehnWaters wrote...
Love Atton!  Man, though, talk about a game with Cut Content!  Atton even died during one of them after getting sliced up by Darth Sion.  Pretty morbid stuff.  Game was still awesome.

You mean this? 

I need to replay KOTOR2. Too bad one of my discs has broken. I think I still have that speech Atton would give to the Exile as he died in her arms memorised. "You saved me...hurts when I laugh..." 

I'm gonna find me that KOTOR fan fic site now.  

Modifié par WhoKnew, 16 février 2012 - 12:50 .

[syllogi]

ZehnWaters wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I've gotten complaints of a few inappropriate images being posted to this thread, and have found two of them that I've had to remove. So this is a reminder that this forum (and thread) is rated PG, not PG-13 or M. This means we will not tolerate images or links containing explicit male or female nudity. Images of sex toys are similarly forbidden.

Secondly, please note that quoting such material is nearly as bad as posting it in the first place, as the offending image appears in a post you made and Moderators have to clean up yet another post. Let's please keep these things in mind when discussing Kaidan in this thread. Sharing it in private is one thing, posting it publicly on the forum is quite another thing entirely.

Thank you.

Thanks, Stanley.

Shirtless pics make it hard enough to jump into this thread during working hours, I really want to be able to come here when I'm at home, and my son is looking over my shoulder (he likes to check out people's avatars).  I'm not asking for censorship, but please be considerate of others.

How do you do the little Spoiler collapse thing?  I try to keep my pics clean (I think at least!), but some are shirtless.

This site doesn't have spoiler tags, but you can link to pictures that you think might be borderline.

Again, I don't want anyone to stop posting pics, but think about whether you want a nine year old kid who is EXTREMELY literal to see what you post.  No pressure, of course...

[WhoKnew]

syllogi wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I've gotten complaints of a few inappropriate images being posted to this thread, and have found two of them that I've had to remove. So this is a reminder that this forum (and thread) is rated PG, not PG-13 or M. This means we will not tolerate images or links containing explicit male or female nudity. Images of sex toys are similarly forbidden.

Secondly, please note that quoting such material is nearly as bad as posting it in the first place, as the offending image appears in a post you made and Moderators have to clean up yet another post. Let's please keep these things in mind when discussing Kaidan in this thread. Sharing it in private is one thing, posting it publicly on the forum is quite another thing entirely.

Thank you.

Thanks, Stanley.

Shirtless pics make it hard enough to jump into this thread during working hours, I really want to be able to come here when I'm at home, and my son is looking over my shoulder (he likes to check out people's avatars).  I'm not asking for censorship, but please be considerate of others.

How do you do the little Spoiler collapse thing?  I try to keep my pics clean (I think at least!), but some are shirtless.

This site doesn't have spoiler tags, but you can link to pictures that you think might be borderline.

Again, I don't want anyone to stop posting pics, but think about whether you want a nine year old kid who is EXTREMELY literal to see what you post.  No pressure, of course...

How bout the Grandma test?

I will think before posting pics; if my Grandma was a Kaidanite, what pics would I feel weird showing her?

[Queen Deadite]

Alright who can recruit so I can get access to multi player?

[madlily]

leborum wrote...

Wow, that was a lot of pages. So...

/snip

@"The doctor" - yeah, it's great that Kaidan was putting himself back out there. I'd like to think he didn't spend the past three years not getting any, but all the same, if I ever meet that b---, I will cut her.

@Woo's reappearance in thread - wait, I missed inappropriate pictures? Damn.

/snip

@Priestly's import comments - I might have to play a new Shep first. Then I can work on getting the tweaks to combat down, I don't have to decide what to do with my silly love triangle (I usually use my Shep that moved on as "tester" but I might let her stay with Garrus), and I can get to know the squad. That way, when loyal-cannon-Shep's turn comes around her playthrough can be perfect

/snip

I lol'd at the first, agree with the second.. and I may just do what Chris suggests... it has some merit!!

edit ToP (shirtless Kaiden )

 

Modifié par madlily, 16 février 2012 - 12:59 .