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KMYash

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Huh... I think I got some sort of glitch

I'm going through my second playthrough of the game, first on ps3, and for some reason I haven't had a single 'real' conversation with Kaidan yet and I'm already by the Quarians. Unless my brain is messing up the order I believe I had two conversations with Kaidan at this point....
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frylock23 wrote...


There is no way to really plausibly head canon this one out.


Oh I don't know about you, but I can be pretty good at erasing stuff mentally and happily imagine my own ending. It's the last game, if Bioware won't give it to me, I'll make it myself in my own happy little world. :bandit:

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KMYash wrote...

Huh... I think I got some sort of glitch

I'm going through my second playthrough of the game, first on ps3, and for some reason I haven't had a single 'real' conversation with Kaidan yet and I'm already by the Quarians. Unless my brain is messing up the order I believe I had two conversations with Kaidan at this point....
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There was at least one I think where he talks about wanting to be with his biotic students.

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Darazelly wrote...

frylock23 wrote...


There is no way to really plausibly head canon this one out.


Oh I don't know about you, but I can be pretty good at erasing stuff mentally and happily imagine my own ending. It's the last game, if Bioware won't give it to me, I'll make it myself in my own happy little world. :bandit:


Yeah, for me, the fact that the ending makes NO sense invalidates it -- the Normandy wouldn't be fleeing, and the squadmates who were on Earth wouldn't have gone back to the Normandy.  So it's way easier for me to ignore that, then say, the Dark Ritual vs. Ultimate Sacrifice choice in DA:O.  They both make sense according to the story that came before it, so I didn't have a reason to find fault with those choices.

As it is, I'm cool with making up an ending for ME3.  It's a shame, really, that the rest of the game is pretty awesome, despite it's faults...the ending is going to be the thing that everyone remembers, and criticizes.

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syllogi wrote...

Darazelly wrote...

frylock23 wrote...


There is no way to really plausibly head canon this one out.


Oh I don't know about you, but I can be pretty good at erasing stuff mentally and happily imagine my own ending. It's the last game, if Bioware won't give it to me, I'll make it myself in my own happy little world. :bandit:


Yeah, for me, the fact that the ending makes NO sense invalidates it -- the Normandy wouldn't be fleeing, and the squadmates who were on Earth wouldn't have gone back to the Normandy.  So it's way easier for me to ignore that, then say, the Dark Ritual vs. Ultimate Sacrifice choice in DA:O.  They both make sense according to the story that came before it, so I didn't have a reason to find fault with those choices.

As it is, I'm cool with making up an ending for ME3.  It's a shame, really, that the rest of the game is pretty awesome, despite it's faults...the ending is going to be the thing that everyone remembers, and criticizes.


Yeah, I loved absolutely every moment of ME3, up and until that... AI child thing appeared and it suddenly was as if anything that had happened in the trilogy didn't matter. I'm all for bittersweet endings and Heroic Sacrifices, and a war on that scale won't go without losses, but that was pretty much a choice between "what color do you want on the beam that effs up the whole Galaxy commander?". Sure, there's the tease of Shepard breathing, but even so, the Normandy crew is goodness knows where and the Galaxy is kinda... messed up.
In comparison, the endings of DA:O is something you can influence, and the ending of DA2 makes sense due to the story. This didn't, and was a poor way to end such a big trilogy.

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[quote]frylock23 wrote...

[quote]Ensorcelled Cat wrote...

 <snip>  "Three Hits" by the Indigo Girls. I could be accused of being too girly/lesbian/whatev. And yet....

"Are you leavied, like the treasure/Only words can help me find you/And this world's a fickle measure/I will painfully remind you..."

Cause so much interferes with them. Just a thought.[/quote]

I'm more of a rock type gal. My best song for ME3 is Linkin' Park's "In The End." [/quote]


I tried so hard
and got so far
but in the end
it doesn't even matter

I had to fall
to lose it all
but in the end
it doesn't even matter

[/quote]

Yeah, that works, too. I'm just in the early game. :) A great song. I do love it. I'll see that and raise another appopriate LP one, just for fun. :P

("Leave Out All the Rest", Minutes to Midnight)

After my dreaming, I woke with this fear
What am I leaving, when I'm done here?

So if you're asking me I want you to know....

When my time comes, forget the wrong that I've done
Help me leave behind some reasons to be missed...

Cause ain't that Shep's goal in the end?

Modifié par Ensorcelled Cat, 11 mars 2012 - 01:04 .


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So, I just finished my first ME 3 playthrough (took me a bit - that's a long game).  SPOILERS BELOW:

SPOILERS


I loved the interactions between my Shepard and her teammates (the dinner with Kaidan scene was very sweet and I loved the shooting at bottles with Garrus).  Loved the additional crew banter and lines.  Really loved how we saw more emotion and depth from Shepard this time.  In fact, I really loved everything about the game...right up until the end. 

I wasn't spoiled, so I was totally unprepared. And...I just don't understand that.  Where were my choices?  Why was this game advertised as if your choices made some sort of difference?  Because they really didn't.  Three games, hundreds of hours, and I sort of feel as if the end of my Shepard's story is not my story at all, but the one the writer's wanted to end things with.  I feel...incredibly let down, I guess is the best way to describe it.  The ending doesn't make sense to me and I'm not sure how exactly this "ends" the story.   Well, I guess I know how Shepard's story ends - she dies.  Really, I 'm so glad that I spent all this time on it.  I get it, really I do - its the dramatic ending, the hero sacrifices all for the good of everyone else.  But, how is that a choice?  How is that my story, if the same ending happens no matter who's playing the Shepard?  And yes, damn it, I wanted a happier ending - not perfect, not fairy tales and fluffy bunny rabbits, but an ending where Shepard makes it off the station and makes it back to Kaidan and both of them then join with the others in figuring out how to live in a world that is so drastically changed by the destruction of the mass relays.  I wanted an ending with real hope for SHEPARD, not just some man that tells stories to his kid about it some undetermined time in the future.  I don't mind working for that ending, putting in the extra time, but come on - what the frack kind of ending was THAT?

Sorry for the rant, and I realize that people are probably tired of hearing about this at this point.  I just, had to share some of these feelings.

Modifié par RyianaT, 11 mars 2012 - 01:03 .


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You know, if Shepard had to die, why couldn't Kaidan be there with her at the end? To hold her hand, and brush her hair back while he's trying not to let her see how devastated he is. All he can manage to tell her is how proud of her he is and how much he loves her. At least she could say goodbye.

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Wish they could have added a LI ending where Kaidan jumps off the Normandy and saves Shepard before the citadel is destroyed and than it shows them together on Earth celebrating their victory.

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Has anyone noticed that Kaidan is less "tanned" looking in ME3. Not a complaint, just an observation.

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Ona Demonie

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I read the theories that Shepard is supposedly indoctrinated and as a last minute offense, the Reapers make him believe that all his squadmates died and that they switched the Paragon/Renegade colors for TIM and Anderson's choices to confuse Shepard. If you choose Anderson, Reapers lose. If you choose TIM or the center, Reapers win/sort of win. Another point that was mentioned was that parts of the scenes had black spots, so Shepard's mind could also be hallucinating from the blood loss and near death. If Shepard does destroy the Reapers and relays, Shepard is free from the indoctrination, but Shep's mind thinks that the Normandy crash landed on a planet and they're all happy.

HOWEVER (this part is my interpretation), the ending where Shepard lives is where Shepard was just knocked out from the Reaper beam and is waking up.

It makes a lot more sense and I rather have that be the canon endings than the current ones.

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I'm not one who has to have a happy ending, sure it would be nice, but I can work with death and doom.  Infact it wasn't even the whole last 15mins that pissed me off.. it was just the last minute.  

My Shep had just watched and heard her entire team be red lazered to death, Vega and more importantly the lovely Major Alenko have died in the mad rush to the beam, she staggers towards the light with the audio confirmation that the future Kaidan and she had planned is gone forever.  

She faces the choices with the firm knowedge that while the galaxy may survive she has nothing really to live for and welcomes death with open arms.. life without Kaidan to hard to contemplate.

It horrible and bittersweet but it makes sense....

*screeeeeeech*

But no.. somehow Kaidan isn't dead, isn't even injured and has teleported via magic fairy dust to the Normandy, hopping off the ship the picture of health with a smile on his face.... err what.

I think my head cannon is going go with the wonderful theory that everything after the sitting with Anderson and the flash of white light is a dream/reaper last ditch attempt at indoc'ing shep into not picking the 'destroy' option and giving up and picking the two reaper positive options.

I like this theory and it doesn't make me want to stab anyone so lets go with that.

Modifié par Nayawk, 11 mars 2012 - 05:53 .


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My Shepard finally got his man! 'After all this time' Indeed.
I'm so happy bioware included it in the game, but I just don't think there was enough. I tried to speak to Kaidan, well all squaddies literally after every mission and all I get is a bunch of auto dialogue. In game I had the Kaidan and mshep scene on the Citadel, but after that I didn't have any sort of proper interaction with him for 10 hours.
When I did it was nothing about our relationship or anything and then the only proper scene was the end one before the Cerberus base, and that was more or less the same as femsheps. Also I just hated the whole injured bull crap thing, I was constantly going to that hospital, I felt so helpless and it annoyed me that although Kaidan was a squad member, he still effectively wasn't available for a 3rd of the game.
Hell I wanted to take him to the Greysom Academy mission, but by the time he was back on the ship, that mission has magically disappeared because I missed the window the complete it... so I never met up with Jack again and ended up killing her randomly on the Cerberus base (not happy).
Romance was beautiful, but that ending :'( but for me what made the ending so awful was after the credits rolled bioware sent you back in time, it was like it meant nothing, just to play DLC ect... it was like 'here's Shepard sacrificing himself, then booom he's back on the ship and it's not randomly crashed on some planet, and don't get me started about that.

Also how did Kaidan, who I assumed died running for the citadel beam thingy, appear on the Normandy on some random planet...

Anyway I love bioware for the inclusion but I feel so torn, the game was great, I had loads of fun but it just didn't come together for me. I'm going to have a hard time replaying it, I don't know if I can.

ALSOO lol I love Liara, she's such an amazing friend to Shepard, at the end where she gave him the gift and just hugged his arm as the both watched the light thingy, I totally teared up then haha

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Anacruisis

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man this makes me more stressed out
have a Disco Kaidan
Image IPB
by Epantiras

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Trinity Shep

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So i finished it for the second time. Got everything "perfect" and got the scene of her taking a breath at the end. You know the first time i did it my shep didn't look like my Shep. i did the best i could this time and she was pretty identical! So anyways when the credits were rolling i realized i was balling like a little girl! Straight balling saying "Why! I just wanna be with Kaidan, why did you have to do this to me! Ill never see him again! its not fair!"

And to reassure myself i have told myself this.. its a lie but i choose to believe it! When that "stargazer" is telling the child stories the child asks "tell me another story about the Shepard" Im going to assume its going to start with "AND THAN" that's all i need, AND THAN. Ahhh makes me feel better to hear those two words, opens possibilities! Like maybe they fix the Normandy after all they got Garrus and he is great with Calibrations and Kaidan is a tech so im suspecting it will be done pretty quick! And they know EXACTLY where i am so im expecting they will be there in a week! i can survive a week!

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Ochre wrote...

You know, if Shepard had to die, why couldn't Kaidan be there with her at the end? To hold her hand, and brush her hair back while he's trying not to let her see how devastated he is. All he can manage to tell her is how proud of her he is and how much he loves her. At least she could say goodbye.


This makes me sad because it would have been perfect. I feel like I finally got my relationship with Kaidan perfect and its for nothing! :unsure:

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@NicoNicastro

If it makes you feel any better, there are some wonderful fanfics that have already been posted.

www.fanfiction.net/s/7909449/1/Proud_of_You

Modifié par Ochre, 11 mars 2012 - 02:30 .


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I want a happy ending DLC with my Kadian!! I was annoyed that my faithful shep was treated very standoffish in the beginning. But that date, and the love scene!! Black boxers... yummy.... :) I just wish my shep had lived and made super biotic babies with her love!!

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The "no happy ending" makes me miserable. I got the facecode import message and am waiting for the fix. Played up to the romance scene, hopped on here and ruined the ending for myself. Now I don't wanna finish.

My favorite ending in DA was with my gal married Alistair and became Queen. Shepard's attitude obviously indicates that she wants a life with Kaidan after the war. In my head, she marries Kaidan, helps rebuild Earth, and has a bunch of cute biotic babies. They, in turn, become great leaders and the Shepard-Kaidan dynasty lives forever. She is just so awe-inspiring in the last game. Can you imagine being in her shoes for just a day? Sure in "real life" she probably would not get a happy ending. But it is a FANTASY. A video game. It doesn't have to be take the most hopeless outcome.

I was also upset about how distant Kaidan was. Shep abstained the whole second game to get Kaidan back and not even have him as a squadmate for half the game? Then he sits around the ship moping and there is just one love scene? Shep's friends die and he doesn't even give her a hug? Boo and blah. I want to throw him out the ship and go with Vega (who is absolutely adorable surprisingly).

I am not saying that every ending has to be happy. JUST ONE.

Now I am going to cry, eat icecream, and read a stack of romance novels to compensate for my disappointment in ME3.

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Hi I just wanted to ask about something about kaidan. He talks about alcohol a lot and I was wondering if he had some sort of drinking problem?

*spoilers*

His gift for when I go to the hospital is alcohol, when we go on our date he asks for alcohol, and then in the final romance scene he brings be alcohol. I'm not really sure what is normal for people who like alcohol and don't have a problem with it is. I know that many people enjoy alcohol but he seems to talk about it a lot. He also does not socialize as much as the rest of the crew.

Maybe bioware just though alcohol was manly? I'm not sure. I've never had a problem with drinking, I don't drink very much, but I know a lot of people who are recovering alcoholics so this kinda bothers me. Someone who drinks that much or talks about alcohol that much is not attractive to me. Or maybe I am over reacting? I just don't know what is normal.

Edit: And i remember *SPOILER* that raphael sarboge said there was a "marry me, shepard" line in the game. I never got it. *sad face*

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 11 mars 2012 - 02:46 .


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Perhaps I don't want to replay the end to try the other endings if Kaidan is back on the normandy in them. Having him live alone after he said how he can't lose you again would be horrible!

I guess my ending wasn't bad compared to that. I just had EDI and Joker get off the normandy at the end. Shep sacrificed herself and I assume Kaidan died from the reaper beam since it looked like he was the one crawling toward Shep before collapsing (right after shep got up injured at the end). So at least they won't have to live without each other. Though I was hoping they could die together at the end if they couldn't have a happy ending.

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Hi I just wanted to ask about something about kaidan. He talks about alcohol a lot and I was wondering if he had some sort of drinking problem?

*spoilers*

His gift for when I go to the hospital is alcohol, when we go on our date he asks for alcohol, and then in the final romance scene he brings be alcohol. I'm not really sure what is normal for people who like alcohol and don't have a problem with it is. I know that many people enjoy alcohol but he seems to talk about it a lot. He also does not socialize as much as the rest of the crew.

Maybe bioware just though alcohol was manly? I'm not sure. I've never had a problem with drinking, I don't drink very much, but I know a lot of people who are recovering alcoholics so this kinda bothers me. Someone who drinks that much or talks about alcohol that much is not attractive to me. Or maybe I am over reacting? I just don't know what is normal.

Edit: And i remember *SPOILER* that raphael sarboge said there was a "marry me, shepard" line in the game. I never got it. *sad face*

maybe after 2 years grieving over shepard's death
he become alcoholic?

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Ochre wrote...

@NicoNicastro

If it makes you feel any better, there are some wonderful fanfics that have already been posted.

www.fanfiction.net/s/7909449/1/Proud_of_You


I'll def check those out! Image IPB

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one thing i wish they kept from ME2 was how at the end you could call them up to your room and cuddle! i was hoping i could do that after the credits... nope.....

On a light note this is my Femshep with Kaidan! and OMG i turned him down once just to see what happens... no nookie but we cuddle, lol!

Modifié par Trinity Shep, 11 mars 2012 - 03:08 .


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"what color do you want on the beam that effs up the whole Galaxy commander?"

This cracked me up so hard, my eyes watered up and I almost cried and my stomach hurt so bad. I love this. Thank you. It has made my day.

And as to Kaidan being an alcoholic, I don't think he is. I believe the gift whiskey you gave him is the one that he brings up at the end. (Though that's just speculation, since I'm sure you can romance him without buying it.) And the date just seemed like a social kind of thing... And lastly, he's still a marine. And I believe that in different social settings, different levels of consumption are acceptable. For instance, in college, I drank nearly every day/night... but it was just what we did. Since then, I've slowed down quite a bit, but at the time it was normal. I'd assume marines are similar. (In fact, I know a few who could drink me under the table.)