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[devSin]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

How about something ala Origins? We could sacrifice ourselves, sacrifice our companion (and possible LI), or live. I loved that, trying out all three endings, and I'd love to see a tragic ME ending as well (just to see reactions from squadmates and such). But BW has to know we want a happy ending, right? Why wouldn't they give us that option...?

Although I would love to be able to survive in the end (if the setting is more or less done, why not let Shepard retire on some planet and live out a low-tech existence), I will say that the sacrifice in Origins had impact. It was done so well.

Alistair would offer to do it, but I knew exactly what the right choice was. My friend needed to rule a kingdom left in disarray, and the Blight needed to be stopped. I was the only one who could do it, and I did it.

ME3 is not a sacrifice. It's just death, apparently because death gives the scene more weight. I don't act to save my friends (I would, if I had been given the choice, instead of having the Normandy make its fantasy flight far far away with all my friends somehow onboard). I may act to stop the Reapers, but it's so inconclusive and nonsensical that it doesn't really work as a motivation.

ME3 is "close your eyes and push one of these buttons". You don't make an honest choice. You just answer a multiple-choice question.

Modifié par devSin, 17 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[shepskisaac]

oh lord, the Story forum is like a battleground, moving 18737408243 posts per second xD We'll see how this ends. AT this point, I predict they will make some expansion/changes. The backlash on the endings is too big for them to ignore IMO

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[dstrawberrygirl]

VintageUtti wrote...

Everyone else see Casey Hudson's official response yet?

I'm glad he responded and acknowledges that feedback is important.  I don't like all this talk about needing a "bittersweet ending" though.

I got the Datapad app today and was browsing through the media section and re-watched one of the trailers. Decide how it ends - or words to that effect. I don't feel like I had any real impact in the process. I had three choices, and those three choices were available to pretty much everyone in one form or another despite all the choices you make along the way. All those decisions just add up to numbers, making one of three available - oh and whether Earth survives. 1000+ variables, they said, coming in to ME3. Why do I feel cheated that there's really only 3 endings? Because I didn't really get to choose which way it ended, it just ended with no real consequences. It ended, fade to black, roll credits, put you back on the Normandy and wait for DLC. Don't like the one you chose? do the last half hour again and see another option. 

I dunno, maybe If there was some after-the-end scene with survivors, perhaps that might have helped. A bunch of Turians around Earth wondering what they're gonna eat? Perhaps a eulogy for Shepard based on what Liara recorded? Or, if that's her in the rubble after destroying the Reapers, is there something more there? I just don't feel like I care one bit about which ending I chose because there are no real consequences.. dumb thing to say when the ending is about the consequences, but without playing those out a tiny bit, it just feels a bit hollow. 

I know the series has to end, but after having been left an emotional wreck saying goodbye to everyone, I really don't much care what happened next because none of them felt right. Indoctrination theory still sits best with me because it's the only way any of it makes sense.

Maybe they ended it those ways so they could do sequels? Well, quite frankly, in a universe as rich as the ME universe, there's plenty of room for prequels - thousands of years of history to play with! so with that in mind, for ME3 you have the ability to offer many endings that suit paragons, paragades, renegons, renegades, and idiots - not just three+. 

Here ends the long rambling rant for the evening...

[MageTarot]

IsaacShep wrote...

dbrw wrote...

Glad you like. But it's kind of weird to look at it now. Back when I made it, it was still fanfic territory, still hard to believe it's now actually finally canon :wub:

I likewise have this listed as one of my favorites. The love that is felt between M!Shep and Kaidan in the artwork can only be described as timeless.

I'm officially adopting this as the moment Shepard and Kaidan are reunited after the events of ME3.

Thanks a million for your talent, IsaacShep. It is appreciated more than you will ever know.

[LadyofRivendell]

The problem with the sequel idea is that, without Mass Relays, any sort of follow up would be incredibly limited. And you have Grandpa's story, which implies that future species were cut off from each other regardless. They also said that any future ME games would take place prior to or during the series.
Which, again, makes no sense that they'd need the ending to be so similar.

[devSin]

Comic books and other media?

Mac did say that he was looking forward to writing for the setting post-ending, so they're obviously intending to do something there, video games or not.

[LinkSnake1016]

So I gave a Girly plea! Many people will probably this (even here) but What do you think of what I'm said.

"I understand "they" wanted a BITTERSWEET ending and it depresses me. I feel like many people just want resolution but I'm being selfish and want a happy ending! My poor Shepard only had 2..3 months tops with Kaidan but fraternization got in the way, then 2 years of him morning her death, 6 months with her in Cerberus, 6 months with Alliance isolation/trials, Kaidans doubts and almost death before they said to hell with everything and actually decided to be with each other. I've had bitter for a long time and I feel like they want to make my Shepard a martyr. I fought like hell to be with Kaidan and "He's fighting like hell to hold me in his arms again"!

I've lost a lot of members of my team, who were friends almost family, to me and my Shepard! I hope you listen and I hope that for my Shepard and her Kaidan they can beat the odds! This story has mad me cry so much that my husband actually thought someone called me and told me someone died! I've laughed and gotten angry with my team.

Is it so wrong to want that happy ending? I agree that if Shepard were in anyway free the continue with serving the Alliance or the Council, society would make her. I can see them also using her as a Symbol to rebuild Earth and the galaxy and she'll never get rest (or peace with Kaidan). She'll be cursed (?) like Jon Grissom was and I don't want that for her. Also, as per similar situations between games her team broke apart due to outside sources (mostly Alliance and some self continuation of their old life) I understand the ending would need to prevent things like this or Shepard's story will never end b/c she won't have rest but I am begging for a way to make things possible. For her, for Kaidan, for her team, and selfishly for me and the fans. "

[babelcarlota]

dirae wrote...

dbrw wrote...

Still one of my favoritest pics on deviantart, Isaac! There's something iconic about it, by not fully seeing the faces and expressions, but feeling the closeness nonetheless.

Staging. I wish I had that talent.

love it

[Elessie]

LinkSnake1016 wrote...
Is it so wrong to want that happy ending? I agree that if Shepard were in anyway free the continue with serving the Alliance or the Council, society would make her. I can see them also using her as a Symbol to rebuild Earth and the galaxy and she'll never get rest (or peace with Kaidan). She'll be cursed (?) like Jon Grissom was and I don't want that for her. Also, as per similar situations between games her team broke apart due to outside sources (mostly Alliance and some self continuation of their old life) I understand the ending would need to prevent things like this or Shepard's story will never end b/c she won't have rest but I am begging for a way to make things possible. For her, for Kaidan, for her team, and selfishly for me and the fans. "

Well, they could always just hijack the Normandy for the 3rd time... 

[LadyofRivendell]

I don't get why people are so against happy endings. Not all endings need to be happy, but I want to be the biggest dang hero in the galaxy and live to tell the tale, with Kaidan standing right beside me. Are happy endings really that bad?

And as for post-game "What would Shepard do?" why can't she/he continue serving the Alliance? That's what I would want, personally. Settling down? Too boring!
Of course, I'm an adventure adrenaline junkie who loves to feel heroic 

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 17 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[LinkSnake1016]

I got some hate already from people. I like how people will fight the writing team but will also fight other people going for the same goal if it's not exactly what they want. They said they want opinions I gave them mine. I'm not going to degrade others opinions if I don't agree with it. Ill just let them say what they want and if I find I strongly disagree with them then I'll say I don't agree but name calling and putdowns aren't worth it in my opinion.

[MageTarot]

LinkSnake1016 wrote...

So I gave a Girly plea! Many people will probably this (even here) but What do you think of what I'm said.

"I understand "they" wanted a BITTERSWEET ending and it depresses me. I feel like many people just want resolution but I'm being selfish and want a happy ending! My poor Shepard only had 2..3 months tops with Kaidan but fraternization got in the way, then 2 years of him morning her death, 6 months with her in Cerberus, 6 months with Alliance isolation/trials, Kaidans doubts and almost death before they said to hell with everything and actually decided to be with each other. I've had bitter for a long time and I feel like they want to make my Shepard a martyr. I fought like hell to be with Kaidan and "He's fighting like hell to hold me in his arms again"!

I've lost a lot of members of my team, who were friends almost family, to me and my Shepard! I hope you listen and I hope that for my Shepard and her Kaidan they can beat the odds! This story has mad me cry so much that my husband actually thought someone called me and told me someone died! I've laughed and gotten angry with my team.

Is it so wrong to want that happy ending? I agree that if Shepard were in anyway free the continue with serving the Alliance or the Council, society would make her. I can see them also using her as a Symbol to rebuild Earth and the galaxy and she'll never get rest (or peace with Kaidan). She'll be cursed (?) like Jon Grissom was and I don't want that for her. Also, as per similar situations between games her team broke apart due to outside sources (mostly Alliance and some self continuation of their old life) I understand the ending would need to prevent things like this or Shepard's story will never end b/c she won't have rest but I am begging for a way to make things possible. For her, for Kaidan, for her team, and selfishly for me and the fans. "

Absolutely this. My M!Shep has had to silently yearn for Kaidan since touching down on Eden Prime for the first time. To know that they felt the same way for each other, only to have it all taken away was the cruelest thing that could have been done.

No, it is NOT wrong to want a happy ending. In all 3 Mass Effect titles Shepard has proven that he/she is not 'just' a soldier. Sovereign was defeated in ME1, Collectors in ME2 and the Reapers themselves in ME3. Shepard has forged peace between Krogans and Salarians as well as Quarians and Geth, quelling conflicts have have raged for centuries.  Shepard has done countless heroic deeds for others. Now it is time for his reward. 

Make it right, BioWare. You have that power. 

[yoshibb]

VintageUtti wrote...

Everyone else see Casey Hudson's official response yet?

I'm glad he responded and acknowledges that feedback is important.  I don't like all this talk about needing a "bittersweet ending" though.

See, he didn't say anything though. It's just PR speak and he refers to us as "some". Also he only mentions articles that support the endings. There's some hope there but it really promises nothing and it still feels like he doesn't understand what the problem is. 

Big test will be when they announce new DLC. If it isn't the endings, I won't be buying. I think right now it's like it really doesn't hurt them. It's just words and threats. Unfortunately, I think it will take a boycott for them to take this stuff seriously.

[devSin]

I do believe that a happy ending would probably have made the sheer inanity of the current ending a lot easier to overlook.

Would people really be this up-in-arms over how stupid it was if you saved the day in the end and rode off into the sunset?

yoshibb wrote...

There's some hope there but it really promises nothing and it still feels like he doesn't understand what the problem is.

He understands. He just really, really doesn't want to have to do anything about it.

yoshibb wrote...

Big test will be when they announce new DLC. If it isn't the endings, I won't be buying. I think right now it's like it really doesn't hurt them. It's just words and threats. Unfortunately, I think it will take a boycott for them to take this stuff seriously.

Same here, and I'm a habitual DLC buyer.

I have no interest in any ME3 DLC with the ending as it currently is.

Modifié par devSin, 17 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[MageTarot]

devSin wrote...

I do believe that a happy ending would probably have made the sheer inanity of the current ending a lot easier to overlook.

Would people really be this up-in-arms over how stupid it was if you saved the day in the end and rode off into the sunset?

I would be perfectly happy with  cutscenes showing my Shep, LI and surviving crewmates doing what they can to help rebuild a devastated Earth, help stranded alien races survive or even begin to tackle the challenge of intergalactic travel now that the relays have been destroyed,

Yes, it does sound impossible. and yes, a lot of people were lost. And yet the underlying theme of the entire ME franchise was to never give up hope, even in the face of insurmountable odds. All I ask is that as the final credits roll, I am left with that sense of hope, not despair.

Modifié par MageTarot, 17 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[NeverQuiteAwake]

I'm really baffled by how they thought the completely hope-deprived ending would be okay. Why couldn't they have the full gambit of devestating, depressing, bittersweet, and happy endings? It's been a week since I finished the game, and I still feel like someone crushed my soul. Now Casey's statement stepped on it.

I miss Kaidan. I think I just really need a hug right now 

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 17 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[yoshibb]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I don't get why people are so against happy endings. Not all endings need to be happy, but I want to be the biggest dang hero in the galaxy and live to tell the tale, with Kaidan standing right beside me. Are happy endings really that bad?

And as for post-game "What would Shepard do?" why can't she/he continue serving the Alliance? That's what I would want, personally. Settling down? Too boring!
Of course, I'm an adventure adrenaline junkie who loves to feel heroic 

The thing that drives me crazy is that in ME1 and ME2, you got that. You blew up Sovereign with minimum losses and then you took on the Collector base with like 12 people. And you didn't need to lose anyone. 

Then in the third game it doesn't make sense to have a marginally happy ending? Come on. The tone has always been triumphant in the face of incredible odds. even in ME3, you made peace with two sides who'd been at war for 300 years. It's silly to change the tone in the last ten minutes of a trilogy especially since you don't have to. Because you made a game with choice!

Modifié par yoshibb, 17 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[LinkSnake1016]

*hug* *hands over life size Kaidan pillow*

[LadyofRivendell]

 

Little Miss Angel wrote...

I'm really baffled by how they thought the completely hope-deprived ending would be okay. Why couldn't they have the full gambit of devestating, depressing, bittersweet, and happy endings? It's been a week since I finished the game, and I still feel like someone crushed my soul. Now Casey's statement stepped on it.

I miss Kaidan. I think I just really need a hug right now [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

 

You know, I'm a strong Bioware supporter, but that too has me scratching my head. Why did they think it was a good idea...? I could see everything being acceptable, aside from the lack of variance, but didn't they know we'd hate what happens to Earth, the Mass Relays, and the squad?!

Well, I'm an anti-hug person, but will a funny story help? I had a dream last night that Kaidan, James, Shep, Ashley, Joker, and Chakwas were playing Poker in the Normandy's lounge, and through some sort of circumstances in which I can't remember, Kaidan lost a bet and was forced to do everyone's laundry for a week. 
Okay, maybe it was funnier in my subconscious 

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 17 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[MageTarot]

*hugs Little Miss Angel"


Take a quick look at my previous post, Angel. Don't give up!

And as for Casey's statement, it is vague at best. Keep in mind that a lot of players have yet to finish their first playthrough. I have faith that Shepards WILL be reunited with their LI!.

Modifié par MageTarot, 17 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[NeverQuiteAwake]

MageTarot wrote...

*hugs Little Miss Angel"


Take a quick look at my previous post, Angel. Don't give up! 

And as for Casey's statement, it is vague at best. Keep in mind that a lot of players have yet to finish their first playthrough. I have faith that Shepards WILL be reunited with their LI!.

LinkSnake1016 wrote...

*hug* *hands over life size Kaidan pillow*

Oh, thank you *sniffles* *hugs life sized Kaidan pillow*

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 17 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[NeverQuiteAwake]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

 

Little Miss Angel wrote...

I'm really baffled by how they thought the completely hope-deprived ending would be okay. Why couldn't they have the full gambit of devestating, depressing, bittersweet, and happy endings? It's been a week since I finished the game, and I still feel like someone crushed my soul. Now Casey's statement stepped on it.

I miss Kaidan. I think I just really need a hug right now [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

 

You know, I'm a strong Bioware supporter, but that too has me scratching my head. Why did they think it was a good idea...? I could see everything being acceptable, aside from the lack of variance, but didn't they know we'd hate what happens to Earth, the Mass Relays, and the squad?!

Well, I'm an anti-hug person, but will a funny story help? I had a dream last night that Kaidan, James, Shep, Ashley, Joker, and Chakwas were playing Poker in the Normandy's lounge, and through some sort of circumstances in which I can't remember, Kaidan lost a bet and was forced to do everyone's laundry for a week. 
Okay, maybe it was funnier in my subconscious 

Bahaha, thanks, it still made me laugh.

[sabreene]

KMYash wrote...

Anyone have any good pictures of Kaidan in this armor? It's my favorite :wub:

I need to get a full shot of him in that armor. But I have these two shots. :wub:





And I find this one funny.

[dbrw]

IsaacShep wrote...

dbrw wrote...

Glad you like. But it's kind of weird to look at it now. Back when I made it, it was still fanfic territory, still hard to believe it's now actually finally canon :wub:

I found it on tumblr, and now it's my favorite pic of Kaidan &  Shepard, really good job. Congratulations

[LadyofRivendell]

Hey, now that the game's out, did anyone ever figure out what the symbol is on Kaidan's armor?