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[Kyria Nyriese]

Bekkael wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Thank you *hugs*

It's weird, I think I'm still partly in a state of disbelief. At times I feel like this has all been a horrible mistake and that Bioware just forgot to put the decent endings in or something lol.

I've been boucing back and forth between depression, anger, and disbelief since I finished the game on the 8th. This video and others like it, have provided my only catharsis.

I really want to replay DA:O, but I just haven't gotten up the gumption to do it yet. Maybe in a few weeks.

Right there with ya.  Been back and forth between crying and laughing and stalking around the apartment all PO'd.  Want to do another play through to interact in the Kaidan scenes again, but I can't motivate myself to do it.

[Chernaya]

I did another play-through, solely for the Kaidan scenes.

Then I got to the goodbye, and couldn't do anything -- that line of his breaks my heart. frghg.

[LadyofRivendell]

What scene is that from, Ana? I recognize the Docking Bays on the Citadel, but don't recall being on that side of them ever in a scene.

EionaCousland wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

EionaCousland wrote...

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Exactly. I have high hopes, and I know, especially with this number, they have taken notice and will do something.  I'm still not sure if they've been plotting something all along, or they were expecting this reaction, but whatever the case may be -- I still love this game to bits. It is awesome on so many levels. And you're right, the fact we care so much about the closing proves how good of a game it is. And because of that, I'm gonna stick with it and hope something awesome comes along. I have no doubts it will, because they do amazing things all the time.

I know many of them are under stress right now because of the fans, and I feel for them. But I know they want everyone to be happy. I'm glad they're listening and collaborating with everyone at least a little bit so far. It's a lot to take in at once, lol.

I've never been more attached to the characters of a game when it comes to Bioware. They've got some awesome writers ~

I don't think they planned for this, Casey's response seems to indicate their surprise at the reactions. And, I can see why they'd like the end, in theory it would work. It's just their execution that's off, to me. I think they were too pressured for time to develop everything as fully as they would've liked. The three choices, to me, aren't bad - They do offer a lot of speculation, and it's a curveball. They just need to differentiate them more, add some impact from our choices, and fix the whole Normandy thing. Plus patch the plotholes. Looking at all that got cut from the endings, they had the right idea, just not the time or resources. 

I, personally, think they should roll with the Indoc theory. It would pick up right after Shep wakes up, meaning they don't have to CHANGE anything, they just have to ADD on. Plus, they wouldn't have to patch the plotholes, which would take them a lot of work.
I'm willing to wait for better endings, something along the lines of Awakening, Legacy, or Arrival's quality is what I'm expecting, and that will take money and time. I'm willing to pay, is that a bad thing? I don't think so, as the actors and employees need to be paid for their work. That's just how the world revolves these days.

Imagine if this was a different company. Would Activision care what we thought? Blizzard? Bethesda? Dice? Capcom? Nintendo? Square Enix? Tecmo? 
No, I don't think any of them would even give a second glance. Bioware is a VERY interpersonal company, I've never seen any devs listen to their fans more while truly caring. If BW cared about money, why did the CE only cost $80? Skyrim's CE was $150 for just an art book, DVD, and mini dragon. BW could have easily gotten $100 for the CE had they wanted more money.
And at least BW has good fans. Instead of swearing them off, half of us have been trying to actually HELP. I don't think those naysayers and insulters are getting very far...

[frylock23]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Anacruisis wrote...

Queenie4000 wrote...

I had a hard time taking him serious....I was one of the poor souls who actually bought Deception (in a land fill somewhere now) and all I could think of was him and the "cereal killer" thing everyone kept making fun of him for.  He just did not impress me as the bad *** he was suppose to be.  In fact I wanted to offer him a bowl of cheerios.  

I thought Kai Leng is a badass opponent
I mean
1. a N7 graduate
2. Kill Aria's Daughter

But almost defeated by dying Thane and keep holding that stupid sowrd or katana or short katana <_<

Hey, hey, don't diss the sword! It's a katana, very different. Swords are awesome, katanas are wannabes. 

Wait, Deception called him a "Cereal Killer"? Seriously? 
I remember reading in the leaked script that he killed one of your Squadmates on Thessia (the script used Kaidan/Ashley and Liara for that scene). So I was really freaked out, especially since I had brought Kaidan and Liara with me.
That was actually my thinking throughout the entire game, I was sure at some point there would be a Virmire like scenario with whoever you brought with you, I was so overprotective of my squad. Looks like I wasn't paying enough attention to the person who actually DID die...

Yeah, that would be the only sucky thing about having Kai Leng kill one of your squaddies on Thessia.  You're locked into bringing Liara with you and since she has massive plot armor, you know which squaddie is going to die. Now, consider, which squaddie fills that extra spot for most of us?

I know for me it's usually Kaidan.

Yeah, Kai Leng killing Kaidan ... not a cool thing.

[frylock23]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

What scene is that from, Ana? I recognize the Docking Bays on the Citadel, but don't recall being on that side of them ever in a scene.

EionaCousland wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

EionaCousland wrote...

-snip-

-snip-

Exactly. I have high hopes, and I know, especially with this number, they have taken notice and will do something.  I'm still not sure if they've been plotting something all along, or they were expecting this reaction, but whatever the case may be -- I still love this game to bits. It is awesome on so many levels. And you're right, the fact we care so much about the closing proves how good of a game it is. And because of that, I'm gonna stick with it and hope something awesome comes along. I have no doubts it will, because they do amazing things all the time.

I know many of them are under stress right now because of the fans, and I feel for them. But I know they want everyone to be happy. I'm glad they're listening and collaborating with everyone at least a little bit so far. It's a lot to take in at once, lol.

I've never been more attached to the characters of a game when it comes to Bioware. They've got some awesome writers ~

I don't think they planned for this, Casey's response seems to indicate their surprise at the reactions. And, I can see why they'd like the end, in theory it would work. It's just their execution that's off, to me. I think they were too pressured for time to develop everything as fully as they would've liked. The three choices, to me, aren't bad - They do offer a lot of speculation, and it's a curveball. They just need to differentiate them more, add some impact from our choices, and fix the whole Normandy thing. Plus patch the plotholes. Looking at all that got cut from the endings, they had the right idea, just not the time or resources. 

I, personally, think they should roll with the Indoc theory. It would pick up right after Shep wakes up, meaning they don't have to CHANGE anything, they just have to ADD on. Plus, they wouldn't have to patch the plotholes, which would take them a lot of work.
I'm willing to wait for better endings, something along the lines of Awakening, Legacy, or Arrival's quality is what I'm expecting, and that will take money and time. I'm willing to pay, is that a bad thing? I don't think so, as the actors and employees need to be paid for their work. That's just how the world revolves these days.

Imagine if this was a different company. Would Activision care what we thought? Blizzard? Bethesda? Dice? Capcom? Nintendo? Square Enix? Tecmo? 
No, I don't think any of them would even give a second glance. Bioware is a VERY interpersonal company, I've never seen any devs listen to their fans more while truly caring. If BW cared about money, why did the CE only cost $80? Skyrim's CE was $150 for just an art book, DVD, and mini dragon. BW could have easily gotten $100 for the CE had they wanted more money.
And at least BW has good fans. Instead of swearing them off, half of us have been trying to actually HELP. I don't think those naysayers and insulters are getting very far...

I'm willing to wait for a fix.

What I'm not willing to wait for is an acknowledgement that they screwed the pooch, an apology, and an announcement that they're going to rectify the situation in an acceptable manner.

[Tarnation007]

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

[Anacruisis]

to cheer you guys up
have a Kaidan in the Legendary Phoenix Armor

*sigh* Kaidan, I though I already sell everything that has "Phoenix" on it

[Kaidan Fan]

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

I have only played my faithful vanguard thusfar so I can't comment on a Shep that moved on yet in comparison.  My guess would just be a few diff lines of dialogue though.  Hope that helps  

[LadyofRivendell]

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

It's better for your soul?

And easier to gain Kaidan's trust back. And your lines and a couple scenes on Mars are altered, I believe. As well as the hospital scenes. After that, I think it's basically the same, from what I've heard the characters won't even acknowledge each other's relationships.And I would just like to note that this is only from what I've heard, as I'm a faithful Kaidanite 

Too bad, too, I was looking forward to hear some DA:O-esque jealous romantic banter. Has anyone heard the deleted conversation between Morrigan and Leliana should your Warden go from one to the other? It's brutal, so much so that they had to take it out.

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 18 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[leighzard]

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

Yeah, I asked about that earlier.  My guess is that the only impact it has is the conversation in the hospital after he wakes up.  Instead of him asking my Shep about Garrus, they held hands and had a tender moment.

LadyofRivendell wrote...
Has anyone heard the deleted
conversation between Morrigan and Leliana should your Warden go from one
to the other? It's brutal, so much so that they had to take it
out.

  What?   Link, please!

Modifié par leborum, 18 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[frylock23]

Never cheated on Kaidan. None of the ME2 romances were interesting with the exception of Garrus and the one time I started it was just too much like trying to romance my brother so I stopped after the first convo. Garrus is just too much of a friend.

[Major Alenko]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I don't think they planned for this, Casey's response seems to indicate their surprise at the reactions. And, I can see why they'd like the end, in theory it would work. It's just their execution that's off, to me. I think they were too pressured for time to develop everything as fully as they would've liked. The three choices, to me, aren't bad - They do offer a lot of speculation, and it's a curveball. They just need to differentiate them more, add some impact from our choices, and fix the whole Normandy thing. Plus patch the plotholes. Looking at all that got cut from the endings, they had the right idea, just not the time or resources. 

I, personally, think they should roll with the Indoc theory. It would pick up right after Shep wakes up, meaning they don't have to CHANGE anything, they just have to ADD on. Plus, they wouldn't have to patch the plotholes, which would take them a lot of work.
I'm willing to wait for better endings, something along the lines of Awakening, Legacy, or Arrival's quality is what I'm expecting, and that will take money and time. I'm willing to pay, is that a bad thing? I don't think so, as the actors and employees need to be paid for their work. That's just how the world revolves these days.

Imagine if this was a different company. Would Activision care what we thought? Blizzard? Bethesda? Dice? Capcom? Nintendo? Square Enix? Tecmo? 
No, I don't think any of them would even give a second glance. Bioware is a VERY interpersonal company, I've never seen any devs listen to their fans more while truly caring. If BW cared about money, why did the CE only cost $80? Skyrim's CE was $150 for just an art book, DVD, and mini dragon. BW could have easily gotten $100 for the CE had they wanted more money.
And at least BW has good fans. Instead of swearing them off, half of us have been trying to actually HELP. I don't think those naysayers and insulters are getting very far...

I really hope they go with the indoctrination thing, I hated the ending so badly but after watching videos of the theory. It just makes sense and I actually don't mind it now in that context. I thought people were just grasping at straws but there's too many clues to it for it to just be coincidence. But only if we get some post DLC after that.

[frylock23]

Commodore Q wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I don't think they planned for this, Casey's response seems to indicate their surprise at the reactions. And, I can see why they'd like the end, in theory it would work. It's just their execution that's off, to me. I think they were too pressured for time to develop everything as fully as they would've liked. The three choices, to me, aren't bad - They do offer a lot of speculation, and it's a curveball. They just need to differentiate them more, add some impact from our choices, and fix the whole Normandy thing. Plus patch the plotholes. Looking at all that got cut from the endings, they had the right idea, just not the time or resources. 

I, personally, think they should roll with the Indoc theory. It would pick up right after Shep wakes up, meaning they don't have to CHANGE anything, they just have to ADD on. Plus, they wouldn't have to patch the plotholes, which would take them a lot of work.
I'm willing to wait for better endings, something along the lines of Awakening, Legacy, or Arrival's quality is what I'm expecting, and that will take money and time. I'm willing to pay, is that a bad thing? I don't think so, as the actors and employees need to be paid for their work. That's just how the world revolves these days.

Imagine if this was a different company. Would Activision care what we thought? Blizzard? Bethesda? Dice? Capcom? Nintendo? Square Enix? Tecmo? 
No, I don't think any of them would even give a second glance. Bioware is a VERY interpersonal company, I've never seen any devs listen to their fans more while truly caring. If BW cared about money, why did the CE only cost $80? Skyrim's CE was $150 for just an art book, DVD, and mini dragon. BW could have easily gotten $100 for the CE had they wanted more money.
And at least BW has good fans. Instead of swearing them off, half of us have been trying to actually HELP. I don't think those naysayers and insulters are getting very far...

I really hope they go with the indoctrination thing, I hated the ending so badly but after watching videos of the theory. It just makes sense and I actually don't mind it now in that context. I thought people were just grasping at straws but there's too many clues to it for it to just be coincidence. But only if we get some post DLC after that.

Heck, they might as well go with the indoc theory. The community has done 90% of the work for them and given them an easy out.

[LadyofRivendell]

leborum wrote...

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

Yeah, I asked about that earlier.  My guess is that the only impact it has is the conversation in the hospital after he wakes up.  Instead of him asking my Shep about Garrus, they held hands and had a tender moment.

LadyofRivendell wrote...
Has anyone heard the deleted
conversation between Morrigan and Leliana should your Warden go from one
to the other? It's brutal, so much so that they had to take it
out.

  What?   Link, please!

 http://dragonage.wik...rrigan/Dialogue 
Scroll down to "Morrigan and Leliana" and then there will be an insert after a few conversations that says "The following was not available in the retail game".

You can get it back with the Morrigan restoration mod, and you can see the videos on YouTube. 
Alistair and Zevran also have some chats when you switch between them, but Alistair seems disheartened yet protective, and Zevran just seems depressed. The girls, however... Ouch.

[monaeka]

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

I had two files that I imported to ME3: one where Shepard was loyal to Kaidan and another where she hooked up with Thane. To be honest, I was pretty satisfied with Kaidan's dialogue in my "romanced Thane" file. He brought up Shepard's relationship with Thane, and then I had the choice to lie about the relationship, explain, or apologize. I played through all three options to check out his reaction.

When you decide to apologize, he tells Shepard that he understands, and that he still cares. He also puts his hands on hers. If Shepard explains that their fight on Horizon turned her away, he says that he "owns" his mistake on Horizon, and he doesn't lock her out of the room. I have to admit that I particularly liked this scene becase he admitted that his reaction was partly to blame for Shepard romancing someone else. If Shepard lies, Kaidan gets upset. He says something along the lines of, "I know. Everybody knows," and insists that Shepard leaves. If you tell Kaidan you're sorry, you get to stay and talk to more. If you're like, "Alright, Kaidan. Deuces," you get locked out of the room.

Ultimately, I can't say that romancing someone else results in a "better" romance. Some of the dialogue changes, but everything else, in my opinion, remains largely the same.

Modifié par monaeka, 18 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[Sandtigress]

monaeka wrote...

Tarnation007 wrote...

So no? Noone can tell me how staying loyal results in a better romance??

I had two files that I imported to ME3: one where Shepard was loyal to Kaidan and another where she hooked up with Thane. To be honest, I was pretty satisfied with Kaidan's dialogue in my "romanced Thane" file. He brought up Shepard's relationship with Thane, and then I had the choice to lie about the relationship, explain, or apologize. I played through all three options to check out his reaction.

When you decide to apologize, he tells Shepard that he understands, and that he still cares. He also puts his hands on hers. If Shepard explains that their fight on Horizon turned her away, he says that he "owns" his mistake on Horizon, and he doesn't lock her out of the room. I have to admit that I particularly liked this scene becase he admitted that his reaction was partly to blame for Shepard romancing someone else. If Shepard lies, Kaidan gets upset. He says something along the lines of, "I know. Everybody knows," and insists that Shepard leaves. If you tell Kaidan you're sorry, you get to stay and talk to more. If you're like, "Alright, Kaidan. Deuces," you get locked out of the room.

Ultimately, I can't say that romancing someone else results in a "better" romance. Some of the dialogue changes, but everything else, in my opinion, remains largely the same.

I'm sitting here imagining Kaidan tossing Shepard out of his room and locking the door from his bed and for some reason, this is really amusing me.  

My post-Thessia romance short is almost done, just want to run it through someone to beta for me before I post it.

[ZehnWaters]

Truby-Liz wrote...

yoshibb wrote...
But you hate him like an internet troll or bully. You don't respect him as a worthwhile enemy or hate him because he's strong and always getting the better of you. It's just such a wasted opportunity.

And I was thinking maybe even smaller episodes of the game then Half Life. Also, they aren't allowed to start another project until they're done. It is completely ridiculous that Half Life hasn't put out the third episode. 

I still can't believe they did this. These are all endings, side by side:



What the hell is this ****? What is wrong with their brains?? Arg *double facepalm*

That is a good point, actually, he does seem too trollish. He runs away before the fight's even started. <_<

Ugh, those endings. It's the lack of closure that bugs me - DA:O had a party at the end if you survived, and a funeral if you didn't. They knew this was the last game that was going to have Shepard in it, the least they could do is give Shep a proper send off. 

It was so satisfying to gut that jerk.  He was hecka trollish.  Besides, my Shep woulda mopped the floor with him in two seconds flat.

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

[LadyofRivendell]

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

[Anacruisis]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

in my headcannon
he did smile but his emotion changed into sadness
like bittersweet smile
anyway back to replay me2 for the sake of fish <_<

Modifié par Anacruisis, 18 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[leighzard]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

Umm, no!  That's another part of the ending I have a hard time believing.  Apparently Joker didn't want to save the galaxy.  He just wanted an empty planet to get it on with his sexbot.  Clearly Kaidan should be devestated that Shepard was a) left behind, and most likely dead.  And if Allers tries to repopulate the planet with him he should backhand her into the next cycle... especially since there won't be one.  *Grumble* Never shoulda let that hussy on my ship...

Edit:  Wow, Lady, those lines were classic!  I can't believe they cut that out.

Modifié par leborum, 18 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[monaeka]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

The thought of Kaidan having to deal with Shep's death a second time is what really gets to me. A part of me would be satisfied if Kaidan sacrificed his life for hers. You know, like a "My turn," or he finally makes good on his wish to be the strong one. I brought him along with me at the end of ME1, and I remember the look on my team's face when they thought Shep was squished under the Soveriegn debris. Then in ME2, Shep died, came back, and went on a suicide mission. Now Kaidan has to deal with another death in ME3? Eee gad. Poor Kaidan. DX

Edit:  I overlooked some part of the original post. My bad! Is it terrible that I still refuse to believe that atrocious paradise island scene is real? I just can't imagine how or why the crew would just up and leave Shepard. >  <

Modifié par monaeka, 18 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[LolaLei]

leborum wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

Umm, no!  That's another part of the ending I have a hard time believing.  Apparently Joker didn't want to save the galaxy.  He just wanted an empty planet to get it on with his sexbot.  Clearly Kaidan should be devestated that Shepard was a) left behind, and most likely dead.  And if Allers tries to repopulate the planet with him he should backhand her into the next cycle... especially since there won't be one.  *Grumble* Never shoulda let that hussy on my ship...

LOL! That was my precise reaction too! She better keep her filthy paws off all Shepards crew, especially Kaidan!

[monaeka]

LolaLei wrote...

leborum wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as a funeral send off?  I'm afraid any post cut-scene scenario with Kaidan would be with him putting a bullet in his skull.  Sounds harsh but he said he couldn't lose her again.  I take him at his word.

I can see him being depressed, but enough to go to suicide...? 
Then again, he's an L2, how would the implants hold up against a second bout of depression? Assuming he's depressed, of course, he did walk off the Normandy and smile at Joker as they watched the sunset 

Is it evil of me to want just a little sadness from Kaidan over Shep's second death?

Umm, no!  That's another part of the ending I have a hard time believing.  Apparently Joker didn't want to save the galaxy.  He just wanted an empty planet to get it on with his sexbot.  Clearly Kaidan should be devestated that Shepard was a) left behind, and most likely dead.  And if Allers tries to repopulate the planet with him he should backhand her into the next cycle... especially since there won't be one.  *Grumble* Never shoulda let that hussy on my ship...

LOL! That was my precise reaction too! She better keep her filthy paws off all Shepards crew, especially Kaidan!

As Javik would say, "Throw [her] out the airlock." 

[LadyofRivendell]

See, and that's why I feel like a jerk romancing him. If I wasn't so selfish, it would be better to turn him away early on.

I feel like I've got Wynne nagging me in the back of my head.

[Chernaya]

frylock23 wrote...

Never cheated on Kaidan. None of the ME2 romances were interesting with the exception of Garrus and the one time I started it was just too much like trying to romance my brother so I stopped after the first convo. Garrus is just too much of a friend.

Completely agree with this statement, haha. Garrus and I are besties and I can't change it. He's too much of a bro for me to romance.