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[Milvushina]

Oh, and now in my second playthrough I guess I am disillusioned as it were, and I can see a lot more problems with the game. The Kaidan romance is still great and I like that I got him for almost the whole game. But the cover / shooting dynamics are worse than ME2, imo. And a lot of it is pretty cheesy.

For instance in Thane's scene, why would he just stand there with a pistol at the assassin's head and not shoot him when he had the drop on him? He just essentially gave away his advantage. Because they decided he should have an emotional death scene, therefore he had to die.

I could overlook all that stuff because ME has always been about the characters and the overall vibe of the story, not the rock solid plot. They should've stuck to what they are really good at.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

yoshibb wrote...

sanmar wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Oh and in case anyone wanted to see the glorious draft of the ending:
http://download.game...97689/g5GH3.jpg

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This is a joke, isn't it?

No it's not. That page is from the Final Hours interview with Bioware. That right there is what Mac Walters and the team based the entire ending around. One sheet of notebook paper with a bunch of scribbles about speculation for everyone.

It's horrifying.

ooooh god whyyyy!? I don't think speculation from everyone at the end of an epic saga should really be the goal. Especially when speculation apparently requires tons of plot holes and nonsense.

[sanmar]

yoshibb wrote...

sanmar wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Oh and in case anyone wanted to see the glorious draft of the ending:
http://download.game...97689/g5GH3.jpg

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

 

This is a joke, isn't it?

No it's not. That page is from the Final Hours interview with Bioware. That right there is what Mac Walters and the team based the entire ending around. One sheet of notebook paper with a bunch of scribbles about speculation for everyone.

It's horrifying.

I'm speechless  
Most of the part is unreadable.

[Anacruisis]

yoshibb wrote...

No it's not. That page is from the Final Hours interview with Bioware. That right there is what Mac Walters and the team based the entire ending around. One sheet of notebook paper with a bunch of scribbles about speculation for everyone.

It's horrifying.

Great I just got a heart attack
Here comes my depression again
My faith just got ruined

[Elessie]

Milvushina wrote...

For instance in Thane's scene, why would he just stand there with a pistol at the assassin's head and not shoot him when he had the drop on him? He just essentially gave away his advantage. Because they decided he should have an emotional death scene, therefore he had to die.

 

Heh, this.  I actually shouted "Shoot him!" at my computer screen.

[HopHazzard]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

ooooh god whyyyy!? I don't think speculation from everyone at the end of an epic saga should really be the goal. Especially when speculation apparently requires tons of plot holes and nonsense.

I'm not as horribly upset with the ending as many people I've seen here. But I agree that the grand finale of an epic trilogy should not leave the audience thinking "Well, now what?"

[HopHazzard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ehh no offence but this "indoctrination" theory is just "it was all a dream" and smells like something from Dynasty to me lol ;P Hope they don't run with it

If they do go with the indoctrination theory, they should totally have Shepard stepping out of the shower and walking into the room where Kaidan is laying on the bed just waking up and saying "Man, I just had the craziest dream."

Or maybe I just want to get to see ManShep in the shower. 

[shepskisaac]

HopHazzard wrote...
Or maybe I just want to get to see ManShep in the shower. 

Steve and Kaidan totally should've gotten a shower scene like Samantha

[VintageUtti]

Okay so I finally forced myself after over a week to start a new playthrough for an insanity run plus trying to level up to 60 and just re-enjoying the Kaidan moments when I can. Knowing that nothing really affects the ending is kind of freeing, in a way.  I don't have to worry about scanning planets and then I'll just turn the tv off once I get to the ending cutscene.  Here's how I'll retcon the ending in my mind:

Shepard :"I've had enough of your magical space logic" *kicks kid of the platform*

[LinkSnake1016]

So i'm excited that Hudson said that they'll extend the ending but now im scared. Many people said I don't need s happy ending so shat if the extend the end to never make it possible to be with Kaidan or they give a non happy ending to spite us. I don't want heartbreak all over again!

Dumps wallet in wishing well for better ending*

[LadyofRivendell]

Milvushina wrote...

I read in a thread where someone said they switched actual symbolism for symbolic storytelling at the end. I agree. They wanted to show hope by showing your friends lived and a "fresh start" on a new planet somewhere. Problem is, they just tacked it on, didn't work it into the story. When you are telling a story you literally have infinite options, you can figure out a way to put in the symbolism you want without being so jarring. It's just lazy.

Then, there's also the fact that there's so many mis-steps you can't tell what's supposed to be clues and what's just a bug. For instance, is it really a bug that your squad who appears to be dead are with Joker on the new planet?

I think the endings would be great and have worked perfectly - For a different game. But this is Bioware, they've got a long running trend of giving us games with options. The endings are so unvaried... They need some options of varying degrees.
Plus, I don't want to see the galaxy I just worked my ass off to save ruined and left as a crapsack world. 

I like the Indoc theory, though, and that's my headcanon until told otherwise. I think it adds another dimenstion to the storytelling, and it'd be easier to go with "it was all a dream" than trying to fix and explain all of the plotholes in the ending. Of which there are many too many, especially for a company esteemed for their writing skills.



Whoa whoa wait wait wait what? Casey actually announced that? Extended endings are 100% for sure coming? Where? When?

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 20 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Kaidan Fan]

On the endings, I for one can't figure out why they changed the plot midstream and switched what the reapers were about, and why they changed how the game was originally supposed to end.

@VintageUtti: I would have loved to tell that kid "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!" And punched him right in the face and left. I was always paragon, but I totally would have taken THAT renegade option. Yep.

[Lady Jess]

Sooo after the Bomb, I got no Kaidan dialog, Garrus talked to me on the shuttle, Kaidan just...sat there. Bah! Do I need to take someone else along?

[LolaLei]

LinkSnake1016 wrote...

So i'm excited that Hudson said that they'll extend the ending but now im scared. Many people said I don't need s happy ending so shat if the extend the end to never make it possible to be with Kaidan or they give a non happy ending to spite us. I don't want heartbreak all over again!

Dumps wallet in wishing well for better ending*

When was this? I thought Hudson just made some vague comment about the whole thing?

[LadyofRivendell]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

On the endings, I for one can't figure out why they changed the plot midstream and switched what the reapers were about, and why they changed how the game was originally supposed to end.

I do agree that they feel... I hate to say tacked on, but they definitely don't feel like they were planned that way the entire time. And the leaked script seems to prove they weren't. I think BW probably changed them BECAUSE so many people complained about the script. See, BSN? See what your complaining does? <_< I didn't even think the leaked script was that bad, at least the parts I read. The only thing I ever objected to was the VS's mistrust, and all of that was taken out. 

This whole scenario reminds me a lot of what ended up happening to Uncharted 3 last year.

[leighzard]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Ok this is by far the most promising news I have seen yet. Casey Hudson is now saying this:

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak,
said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to
download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.
"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive
feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said.
"This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.
"We also recognise that some of our most passionate fans needed more
closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories,"
Hudson added.

I will add the links
technology.iafrica.com/news/games/785228.html
www.nzherald.co.nz/games/news/article.cfm

This just made my day

yoshibb wrote...

Oh and in case anyone wanted to see the glorious draft of the ending:
http://download.game...97689/g5GH3.jpg

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Oh gawd...  That can't be for real.

[shepskisaac]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

@VintageUtti: I would have loved to tell that kid "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!" And punched him right in the face and left. I was always paragon, but I totally would have taken THAT renegade option. Yep.

haha Shep should've went Blasto on the star child

[LadyofRivendell]

leborum wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Ok this is by far the most promising news I have seen yet. Casey Hudson is now saying this:

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak,
said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to
download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.
"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive
feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said.
"This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.
"We also recognise that some of our most passionate fans needed more
closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories,"
Hudson added.

I will add the links
technology.iafrica.com/news/games/785228.html
www.nzherald.co.nz/games/news/article.cfm

This just made my day

Not to rain on anybody's parade, but is that a credible source? Because I've seen that exact same message from Casey on multiple other sites, except none of them included the bolded part. 

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 20 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Milvushina]

I didn't know of any leaked scripts until I beat ME3 and came to the forums to read about it. I never visited video game forums before that. I still haven't read it, but it's a shame if it caused the final script to be less polished. I think a lot of people would rather have waited longer so they could take their time.

[Satanicponies]

Just finished Sanctuary again. Whelp. Time to stop and Time to start a new game, a non mass effect game.

Edit: Aw crap. I left all my games on campus. All I have is Mass effect 3 and dragon age 2. /facepalm

Modifié par Satanicponies, 20 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[yoshibb]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sooo after the Bomb, I got no Kaidan dialog, Garrus talked to me on the shuttle, Kaidan just...sat there. Bah! Do I need to take someone else along?

I took James with me. I think Garrus gets preference cause he's a turian. I got dialogue about Virmire and Ashley after the mission.

Also, there's no official announcement yet about the endings, just one article saying he would. For all we know it might be a misunderstanding.

Modifié par yoshibb, 20 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[Silver77nz]

I got this from a thread making fun of how your squad got to the Normandy so fast


Indoctrination Theory could work if done correctly. The other endings besides destroy though they would have to work something out where Shep somehow snaps back to reality by someone or something. Another way is Shep being knocked out and unconscious from being seriously injuried could work if done right. Everything was a horrible nightmare. Either way shep is going to wake up in horror to find that nothing has been accomplished. They could pick up the game from awaking on the concrete ground very easily. A child could write a better story for the ending than we have now.

The only other time Shep was hit by a bright light that knocked Shep out was from Object Rho in Arrival. Shep was knocked out for 2 days. So this isn't the first time a bright light has knocked Shep unconscious.

What I was really hoping for was a big battle on Earth with all the Krogans, Turians, Assari, Rachni, Geth, and Quarians in orbit. Javik could give his little speech about being the avatar of vengence and flip the repears off. Harbinger would of been one hell of a great boss battle. With his annoying trash talking crap. They could of done a brilliant job but instead we have the stupid ghost child BS with 3 stupid choices that are BS. My shep would of said, "Go to hell" and argued with the kid. That might of looked silly an adult arguing with a ghost kid. Oh well! Well you get my point.

Edit: for grammical errors:pinched:

Modifié par Silverpearl1977, 20 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[passinjer]

hi all, can someone fill me in on the latest news with the endings and what bioware has to say?

[leighzard]

Alright guys, I've got two bottles of wine, take out from PF Chang's, and no husband for the night.
Sounds like it's time for a date with Kaidan!


Or MP. I suppose that's also an excellent option.

[shepskisaac]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I got this from a thread making fun of how your squad got to the Normandy so fast

Flawless GIF response, it all makes sense now xDDD

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Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 mars 2012 - 10:03 .