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[Celestria129]

Just started another playthrough and.....has anyone else colored there sheps armor to mach Kaidan's:whistle:

[frylock23]

cheinara2 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

RE: The new "Leak"

Chris Priestly Tweets

Oh, thank the stars. Those were horrible ideas for what to do with the VS! They don't even seem suicidal - and shoe-horning in a suicide plot? Please.

{snip}

The saddest thing of all about this so-called leak is that before the endings, no one would have given it the time of day because it was so horrible and we all knew that BioWare would produce better story than that. Even as arguably weak from an RPG/player choice persective as DA2 was, the story itself still wasn't outirght horrible, just really, really linear.

But now, these endings have so damaged our faith in BioWare that we're all forced to consider that they might possibly do something this awful.

That's the kind of damage this whole thing has done to BioWare's reputation with their fans.

[LadyofRivendell]

Celestria129 wrote...

Just started another playthrough and.....has anyone else colored there sheps armor to mach Kaidan's:whistle:

I changed my arm stripe to navy blue, though not necessarily to match Kaidan (I use his blue/grey armor in my game). I had accidentally changed the color without realizing it on my first playthrough, and I grew to like it (it matches my Shep's eyes).

[cheinara2]

frylock23 wrote...

The saddest thing of all about this so-called leak is that before the endings, no one would have given it the time of day because it was so horrible and we all knew that BioWare would produce better story than that. Even as arguably weak from an RPG/player choice persective as DA2 was, the story itself still wasn't outirght horrible, just really, really linear.

But now, these endings have so damaged our faith in BioWare that we're all forced to consider that they might possibly do something this awful.

That's the kind of damage this whole thing has done to BioWare's reputation with their fans.

I think the situation is salvageable - depending on where this 'soon to be announced' DLC goes. After that, though, I have to be honest. I would still probably buy their games (I've bought every single one since Baldur's Gate), but I would probably not support their DLC. I don't know, it's a bit nebulous, really depends on what they do about the endings/DLC for me.

[dstrawberrygirl]

Just did Tuchanka again and cured the genophage - beautiful moment, as that ME1 tune (Vigil's theme?) kicks in, tears in eyes, just wonderful.

Moments like that remind me why I love Mass Effect.

They wrote scenes like that, they wrote characters that filled me with many emotions - I can't believe I actually didn't like Mordin at first, but wow what a wonderful character he turned out to be.

but yes, the endings - even if they were trying to be clever and write something like the indoctrination theory ending - they didn't do it right in a way that left you feel something other than "what the heck just happened?" Bittersweet = Mordin death to cure the Krogan, curing the Genophage that he worked on in the past.

But the way they ended it all made me think twice about those rumors earlier, despite their initial obvious trolishness, the mere fact that I thought twice makes me a bit sad.

[Pax of Doom]

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

[JenMaxon]

I just played the Tuchanka genophage story tonight too.  A really fitting conclusion to Mordin's story.  I don't know that I was that emotional but it was a satisfying end.  Same, to a lesser degree, with Thane.  I feel sorry for the people who romanced Thane because they didn't get much more of him in this game but that sequence really reinforced my Shep's friendship with him and the last scene was very touching.

I really like Eve too.  It makes me laugh that she's the new boss on Tuchanka (should that be in spoilers?).

[Kyria Nyriese]

Pax of Doom wrote...

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

Agreed, I never took the Integrity chat prior to him asking to return to the Normandy as meaning anything other than looking for affirmation of his decision, or if you had Shepard shoot Udina, her decision.  It never appeared to be a situation where he didn't trust her, he just needed someone else to say yeah they did the right thing.

[LadyofRivendell]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Just did Tuchanka again and cured the genophage - beautiful moment, as that ME1 tune (Vigil's theme?) kicks in, tears in eyes, just wonderful.

Moments like that remind me why I love Mass Effect.

They wrote scenes like that, they wrote characters that filled me with many emotions - I can't believe I actually didn't like Mordin at first, but wow what a wonderful character he turned out to be.

but yes, the endings - even if they were trying to be clever and write something like the indoctrination theory ending - they didn't do it right in a way that left you feel something other than "what the heck just happened?" Bittersweet = Mordin death to cure the Krogan, curing the Genophage that he worked on in the past.

But the way they ended it all made me think twice about those rumors earlier, despite their initial obvious trolishness, the mere fact that I thought twice makes me a bit sad.

I know what you're saying, I hate that we're even questioning BW in their storytelling. The entire game has Bioware sprinkled all over it, absolutely amazing. But the endings... Again, I just have to wonder, what the hell happened?
I just want a straignt answer as to what's up. Sadly, without an inside source, I don't think we'll ever know the full story of what exactly happened behind closed doors...

[MageTarot]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Just did Tuchanka again and cured the genophage - beautiful moment, as that ME1 tune (Vigil's theme?) kicks in, tears in eyes, just wonderful.

You are indeed correct - the music is called "Vigil" from the Mass Effect soundtrack (I got the CD from Amazon.com a while back),  Depending on the choices you make later on in the game, you may hear it again...and yep, they are definitely 'tears-in-eyes" moments.

Some Kaidan goodness for y'all. Enjoy!

[Pax of Doom]

LadyofRivendell wrote...
I know what you're saying, I hate that we're even questioning BW in their storytelling. The entire game has Bioware sprinkled all over it, absolutely amazing. But the endings... Again, I just have to wonder, what the hell happened?
I just want a straignt answer as to what's up. Sadly, without an inside source, I don't think we'll ever know the full story of what exactly happened behind closed doors...

They got William Dietz to write the ending.  It's the only possibility that makes sense.  Endings just need more food...

[niamhdannan]

Pax of Doom wrote...

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

^This.

After he tells Shepard he "better not regret this" and she replies "You won't" I imagine her adding "You've got this", repeating his own assertion of control and understanding over the situation back to him.  It's her recognition, her affirmation that this is his assignment as a Spectre, his decision, his moment.  As much as she does naturally take charge most of the time, it wouldn't be right here.  She just gives him the information he needs to make his choice and then trusts him to get it right.  Besides, as much as she fell for him as he was in ME1 I think she likes him better in ME3 now that he has the experience and confidence to take charge and be an equal partner in the fight.  Taking the interrupt and shooting Udina herself, while satisfying, would just be too much interference in a situation that was rightfully his to resolve.

That's also why I imagine her treating him as something of a co-captain once he's back on the Normandy.  Not just because he's a Spectre, and technically her senior officer, but because he's proven his ability to choose wisely and act decisively in pressure situations.  She's #1, but he's #1a, bringing him into her convos in the war room and the vid comm, giving him equal authority to deal with the Quarian admirals, etc.  Can't quite imagine him punching Admiral Gerrel on her behalf after the dreadnought mission, though, much as she'd adore the chivalry of it all

[Jade5233]

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

I let Kaidan take the shot.
He's questioned my motives enough already and knew he would AGAIN if I did it.
I guess it's her way of forcing him to grow up a little the hard way.  He's a Spectre now and has to make the hard calls.  Yeah, then that means he's going to question himself about it, but she can be there to support and guide him through it.

I really love the growth we see in Kaidan through the series and even through ME3 itself.  I thought that we all had dissected him and knew him pretty well.  And now there is so much more to learn about the man.  It's like he let his guard down in this game and we get to know him all over again.  <3

[NeverQuiteAwake]

You know, I kinda wish there wasn't a renegade interrupt to shoot Udina, or at least a shorter frame of time to hit the interrupt. Kaidan is the one who shouts "he's got a gun" so one would think that he'd react first. It just seems like an important character moment.

Or maybe I'm just griping because I instinctively took the shot and stole that moment from Kaidan

[outmane]

Pax of Doom wrote...

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

Wow im so happy I wasnt the only one seeing it that way. This shooting Udina moment feels so very important to Kaidan character arc. Specially since its Udina who named him spectre and all. I love that Kaidan get a chance to sho he's no one's puppet. That he really deserves to be where he is.

The integrity talk gets all its sense when Kaidan talks about himself. About how he feels making the hard choices. For once things arent about Shepard and what she did/didnt do.

[Pax of Doom]

niamhdannan wrote...

After he tells Shepard he "better not regret this" and she replies "You won't" I imagine her adding "You've got this", repeating his own assertion of control and understanding over the situation back to him.  It's her recognition, her affirmation that this is his assignment as a Spectre, his decision, his moment.  As much as she does naturally take charge most of the time, it wouldn't be right here.  She just gives him the information he needs to make his choice and then trusts him to get it right.  Besides, as much as she fell for him as he was in ME1 I think she likes him better in ME3 now that he has the experience and confidence to take charge and be an equal partner in the fight.  Taking the interrupt and shooting Udina herself, while satisfying, would just be too much interference in a situation that was rightfully his to resolve.

OMG yes yes THIS!!!  You hit the nail on the head.  :happy:

[Priisus]

frylock23 wrote...

The saddest thing of all about this so-called leak is that before the endings, no one would have given it the time of day because it was so horrible and we all knew that BioWare would produce better story than that. Even as arguably weak from an RPG/player choice persective as DA2 was, the story itself still wasn't outirght horrible, just really, really linear.

But now, these endings have so damaged our faith in BioWare that we're all forced to consider that they might possibly do something this awful.

That's the kind of damage this whole thing has done to BioWare's reputation with their fans.

Those were my thoughts actually, I just think they're capable of producing worse plot than it currently is... when before I was line "umm no way they can produce an ending to a TRILOGY on such a crappy note filled with plot-ridden plotholes that the whole army at the end can fit in them.

That being said, I had Baldur's Gate long time ago but I never get to finish it. And then DA;O came out and I was in love with it. My friend persuaded me to play ME although I've never been much of a fan of sci-fi. But I guess since I love Fallout 3 (even its vanilla ending) because Bethesda (my fave dev since 2002) developed it then I will give ME a try. What got me into ME are the characters, seldom read the codex though even though that is one of my favorite thing to do in DA. That being said I was still saying that the DA;O, DA;A and DA2 casts triumph over the ME cast... 

Boy did ME3 changed it... I thought the plot moments with the characters in ME3 are some of the best I've seen in a video game. And all those gives you a sense of hope which is why the ending is so unexpected... feels like it belong to the DA universe more.

Wrex: "You're like a sister to me". This is coming from the bounty hunter who once said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". We see their development from an alliance of convenience to mutual respect/trust (Virmire) to complete commitment. I was really happy when he decided to come to Sol himself even when he have a child coming... See what three years could have done for you.

Tali: Never really liked her in the previous 2 games (too cute for my taste) but during Rannoch when she began to picture a virtual window to where her home is, my heart melts. And Shepard goes on to give her the rock for her to carry her home wherever she goes, I thought that's a sweet touch. And then we see how the Quarians and the Geth are working together after how many hundreds of years of war to rebuild Ranoch...

Liara: She creeped the hell outta me in the first game, didn't help that she ninjamance my first Shepard. Then she went against crazy odds in the slim hope of having Shepard alive again. I also think her recording gift and the goodbye scene are one of the best in the game... shows how much she cares for Shepard.

Legion, EDI and synthetics: When we finally able to see Legion referring to himself as I and having the future of the Geth where they can have individuality... he... he... (didn't cry but that scene is one of the most touching imo)... Also EDI's "This is te first time I've felt alive"... It proves that there are strength and hope in diversity and sure as hell blows the crap outta the Catalyst's logic.

Mordin: Congratulations Mordin, your sacrifice and the scene of the final moments of your life is the first and only time I've cried in a video game ever. When he started singing, I just couldn't help myself... "always wanted to run tests on those seashells".

Garrus: The ultimate bro character, I think he's still one of the best character without being a romance option. "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" is the best line to describe the relationship between the two and if I've to write my fave scenes with Garrus, it will go on pretty long... but one of the lines that will always crack me up is: "Hell Garrus, you're always ugly, just slap some face paint on and nobody will now the difference"... and they both had a good laugh over it... and the sniper rifle contest in the Citadel... it's totally perfect cos my canon Shep and Garrus had been sniper buddies since ME (always had him and Kaidan along in ME).

And Kaidan obviously... I think we can all agree why he's one of the main reason we hate the ending. The first time when I play as broShep, he really didn't have much interaction although I saved him in Virmire. Then I started to play femShep and his character is so much better... that incidental flirt when they were first at the Citadel is cute. Still prefer Alistair and Anders over him until ME3... now he stays as my favorite LI character... which makes the London scene very, very sad. I swear I thought I can heard hints of tears from both when Shep started saying "When this is all over, I will be waiting for you and you better come"... "I can't lose you again"...

And all these scenes give you a sense of hope which is why the ending is so unexpected... (although I read the leak, being spoilt before playing the game doesn't help cushion the bitter taste I got after). These bleak endings feels like they belong to the DA universe more... after all ME and ME2 has Shepard beating against all odds and ends the game with a hint of hope. Didn't mind Shep dying at all (I was totally supportive of what my Lone Wanderer did at the end of FO3)... 

But the ending aftermath (I could never do Control/TIM or Synthesis/Saren) just seem to undo everything that Shep had accomplished... The Geths are gone so why the heck did I fight for peace between the Geth and Quarians. It is mentioned that Wrex is the only one keeping the Krogan in check and once he's gone, the others will most likely fight each other or take the fight to the Turians and Salarians... so why the heck did I cure the Genophage to give them a chance to better themselves in the galactic community? EDI, Legion and the Geth shows why syntehtics and organics can co-exist. Sure one can argue that future organics may create synthetics and repeat the cycle... but that's a chance that I think everybody is wiling to take because we learnt that co-existance is more than possible and benificial.

Sorry long post, really need to get this off my chest after beating my first playthorugh. Now I just play the game for different classes and stop at Cerberus HQ mission.

[outmane]

niamhdannan wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

^This.

After he tells Shepard he "better not regret this" and she replies "You won't" I imagine her adding "You've got this", repeating his own assertion of control and understanding over the situation back to him.  It's her recognition, her affirmation that this is his assignment as a Spectre, his decision, his moment.  As much as she does naturally take charge most of the time, it wouldn't be right here.  She just gives him the information he needs to make his choice and then trusts him to get it right.  Besides, as much as she fell for him as he was in ME1 I think she likes him better in ME3 now that he has the experience and confidence to take charge and be an equal partner in the fight.  Taking the interrupt and shooting Udina herself, while satisfying, would just be too much interference in a situation that was rightfully his to resolve.

That's also why I imagine her treating him as something of a co-captain once he's back on the Normandy.  Not just because he's a Spectre, and technically her senior officer, but because he's proven his ability to choose wisely and act decisively in pressure situations.  She's #1, but he's #1a, bringing him into her convos in the war room and the vid comm, giving him equal authority to deal with the Quarian admirals, etc.  Can't quite imagine him punching Admiral Gerrel on her behalf after the dreadnought mission, though, much as she'd adore the chivalry of it all

Except so far for me the game ABSOLUTLY doesnt show that. My Kaidan s lounging in the starboard room just thinking or doing nothing. He doesnt seem to be taking responsabilites or talk about the missions. Did i do something wrong or what ? Garrus is much more at easethen him, he talks with everyone, goes up to Joker and explains what happened during ME1 to the crew (about the rachni). ts like hes taking care of the crew, of the Normandy. But Kaidan is acting more like Vega, chlling and waiting for orders 

I want my Alenko Spectre ! He was taking more responsabilities back in ME1 already.

Maybe I need to continue playing and see... I hope.

[TamiBx]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

You know, I kinda wish there wasn't a renegade interrupt to shoot Udina, or at least a shorter frame of time to hit the interrupt. Kaidan is the one who shouts "he's got a gun" so one would think that he'd react first. It just seems like an important character moment.

Or maybe I'm just griping because I instinctively took the shot and stole that moment from Kaidan

I took the shot too, because I had been waiting for 2 games to shoot Udina. That was one of my favorite moments in the game. I wish I had let Kaidan shoot him the first time, but I let him in my second playthrough, so it's ok. 

[LadyofRivendell]

Priisus wrote...

-long post snip-

Okay, I started writing out a reply to your message, but realized after I had written half of it that no one wanted to read a memoir of my Bioware experience  So I'll condense my post to: I agree completely with just about everything you said here.

[ZehnWaters]

TamiBx wrote...

Little Miss Angel wrote...
You know, I kinda wish there wasn't a renegade interrupt to shoot Udina, or at least a shorter frame of time to hit the interrupt. Kaidan is the one who shouts "he's got a gun" so one would think that he'd react first. It just seems like an important character moment.
Or maybe I'm just griping because I instinctively took the shot and stole that moment from Kaidan

I took the shot too, because I had been waiting for 2 games to shoot Udina. That was one of my favorite moments in the game. I wish I had let Kaidan shoot him the first time, but I let him in my second playthrough, so it's ok. 

Mmhmm.  that's why I did it too.

[niamhdannan]

outmane wrote...

niamhdannan wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

outmane wrote...

Im running my faithful Shep at the moment and id like some perspective on the citadel coup.

Do you guys let Shepard shoot Udina or do you have Kaidan do it ? Also, whats your take on the 'integrity' conversation just before he asks to comeback on the Normandy in either case?

Im starting to think I'd reather have him do it. It kinda shows he's ready to be a spectre and I dont like that he questions Shep's integrity jsut before asking to go with her. Or maybe im not understanding something...

Bolded part - feel the same way.  Posted this elsewhere, but it fits:

But then, Garrus isn't a Spectre, who was on assignment protecting the
Council from an unknown assassin.  He would be a terrible Spectre if he
allowed an assassin to best the Council, even if the assassin was Shepard. 
Hm, come to think of it, that would be the best assassin, someone who
can inspire you to ignore duty in the name of loyalty.

That's
also why it makes sense to have the VS shoot Udina.  They have to learn
when to put duty above favortism, and when and how to trust Shepard
again.

By letting Kaidan shoot Udina, he proves himself to the Council.  He proves he trusts Shepard again, and that he is worthy of Shepard's trust (trust goes both ways).  And, he proves himself to himself.  IMO that was the essence of the "integrity" talk.  That he could reconcile his actions with his ideals and his duty.  It's not always about having the guts to pull the trigger - in a life or death situation almost anyone can do that.  But more, that he acted with a clear head, unemotionally, and for the right reasons with the knowledge he had at that moment.  And jumping because Shepard says so isn't good enough when lives are on the line, trust issues or no.

^This.

After he tells Shepard he "better not regret this" and she replies "You won't" I imagine her adding "You've got this", repeating his own assertion of control and understanding over the situation back to him.  It's her recognition, her affirmation that this is his assignment as a Spectre, his decision, his moment.  As much as she does naturally take charge most of the time, it wouldn't be right here.  She just gives him the information he needs to make his choice and then trusts him to get it right.  Besides, as much as she fell for him as he was in ME1 I think she likes him better in ME3 now that he has the experience and confidence to take charge and be an equal partner in the fight.  Taking the interrupt and shooting Udina herself, while satisfying, would just be too much interference in a situation that was rightfully his to resolve.

That's also why I imagine her treating him as something of a co-captain once he's back on the Normandy.  Not just because he's a Spectre, and technically her senior officer, but because he's proven his ability to choose wisely and act decisively in pressure situations.  She's #1, but he's #1a, bringing him into her convos in the war room and the vid comm, giving him equal authority to deal with the Quarian admirals, etc.  Can't quite imagine him punching Admiral Gerrel on her behalf after the dreadnought mission, though, much as she'd adore the chivalry of it all

Except so far for me the game ABSOLUTLY doesnt show that. My Kaidan s lounging in the starboard room just thinking or doing nothing. He doesnt seem to be taking responsabilites or talk about the missions. Did i do something wrong or what ? Garrus is much more at easethen him, he talks with everyone, goes up to Joker and explains what happened during ME1 to the crew (about the rachni). ts like hes taking care of the crew, of the Normandy. But Kaidan is acting more like Vega, chlling and waiting for orders 

I want my Alenko Spectre ! He was taking more responsabilities back in ME1 already.

Maybe I need to continue playing and see... I hope.

Headcanon: (1) The additiional narrative events and scenes that RPG video game players imagine to fill gaps and/or expand upon the official story and characterization of NPC companions.  Usually consistent with the existing story/characterizations while offering greater detail on locations, events, and characters.  (2) An unfortunately necessary element to the enjoyment of Mass Effect 3, especially with regard to attempts at understanding the ending.

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[ZehnWaters]

Priisus wrote...
Garrus: The ultimate bro character, I think he's still one of the best character without being a romance option. "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" is the best line to describe the relationship between the two

I could hear the sob in Jennifer Hale's voice during this scene.  Closest I came to crying the whole game.

[TamiBx]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Priisus wrote...
Garrus: The ultimate bro character, I think he's still one of the best character without being a romance option. "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" is the best line to describe the relationship between the two

I could hear the sob in Jennifer Hale's voice during this scene.  Closest I came to crying the whole game.

Nope, "I can't lose you again" made me cry. And then came Garrus and things just got more emotional and...

[Priisus]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Okay, I started writing out a reply to your message, but realized after I had written half of it that no one wanted to read a memoir of my Bioware experience  So I'll condense my post to: I agree completely with just about everything you said here.

I think you should.. well maybe not in this thread I guess... wouldn't want to derail you girls from our favorite Major 

The reason why the ending of ME3 is getting such a big backslash is because of how people are emotionally attached to BioWare's characters/games/plots w/e... Writiing out your "memoir" will be a good indication on why BioWare is so much loved and why the ending is so massively disappointing to the fans. Hey I've only been a BioWare fan since 2009, I'm pretty sure there are so many others who go all the way back to Neverwinter Nights.

I had been a regular forum goer at the BethSoft forum and one of the main reason why people hate FO3 ending is because 1. they can't continue the game after the last quest (different from Morrowind and Oblivion) 2. Because you may paossibly have a radiation immune buddy that can do the job for you. Reason no 2 is a logical reason/fix for the vanilla plot-hole and that's why they implemented that solution in Broken Steel. But then Todd Howard went on to say "no we screwed up, we got to change it". Well the exact implication of the "screwed up" is not that clear but I think he wants to give people the option for those who really just want to continue the story of the Lone Wanderer. Still they did not change the ending, they expanded the options (i.e: you still need to have a radiation immune buddy at the end to continue to live unless you chose Renegade of course). And like I said I am supportive of the vanilla ending because I feel that my Lone Wanderer gave up her life to give hope for everybody else on the Capital Wasteland, she left a legacy of hope. I just don't understand why BioWare is not really giving this option for those who want it... And like I said in my post that all the endings undo Shep's legacy.

Also the first time I finished the game, I had no Multiplayer so I could not get enough EMS anyway. And then i'm like "ok maybe I will feel better if I give Shep the chance to live so I went to download the Datapad App... (which is freaking slow btw)" The 8 seconds extra cutscene is still what-the-heck though. I meant if you want us to work that hard to get that ending, then make it much different than the others... Maybe no squaddies teleporting to the Normandy too since the Hammer Forces should be sufficient enough with high EMS for the squaddies not to retreat with Joker. If you don't have enough EMS then well everybody is screwed cos that's your lack-of-effort coming back to bite you... that's not changing the ending, isn't it?! That... and fix the whole Catalyst plot... gosh.