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[slyborg]

yoshibb wrote...

Well after leaving yet another Kaidan hate thread I'd like to reiterate what I said last night.

I wish there was a Virmire choice between Liara and Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

*snip*

People can argue whatever they want about Kaidan being a whiner, but they never have specific lines to back up there claim. I get that these lonely male gamers want to hate on him for being handsome and caring, but that is pretty childish and sad.

[leighzard]

yoshibb wrote...

Well after leaving yet another Kaidan hate thread I'd like to reiterate what I said last night.

I wish there was a Virmire choice between Liara and Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

Oh, no, but I could never kill Garr...   oh.    Iseewhatyoudidthere.

[Sandtigress]

slyborg wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Well after leaving yet another Kaidan hate thread I'd like to reiterate what I said last night.

I wish there was a Virmire choice between Liara and Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

*snip*

People can argue whatever they want about Kaidan being a whiner, but they never have specific lines to back up there claim. I get that these lonely male gamers want to hate on him for being handsome and caring, but that is pretty childish and sad.

Ironically, Kaidan is actually reluctant to talk about his past with Rahna to which Shepard can tell him "You're not a whiner for talking about these things" and says he's quite mature for doing so.  Gee, imagine that.  

[LadyofRivendell]

Kaidan and Ashley are my favorite squadmates, I'm tired of seeing all the crap and hate they receive.

I'm starting to feel like a hipster for actually liking not just one, but both of them.

[hayleym103]

"Kaidan you're a strong man, talking about this doesn't make you a whiner, and it doesn't make you immature. It makes you human."

I'm with Shep on this one, never saw where the whole Kaidan being whiney thing comes from, but then I like a guy with feelings.

[leighzard]

Okay, so this isn't exactly Kaidan related, but...

I just read a post from The New Yorker about ME3, the endings, the Retake campaign, Dr. Ray's message, and all. And I gotta say. I'm pretty disappointed in them. I have been a long time subscriber (I may have mentioned this before, but I'm like 29 going on 70) and I tend to find the New Yorker to be insightful. But this is just ridiculous. I won't bore you with the wall of text about why it's terrible, but the comparison to Steven King's Misery, in addition to calling the entire fanbase immature, did sting a little bit. And if you're going to go around claiming that video games are art, and there certainly is validity to that claim, keep in mind that many artworks, including some renowned today, were commissions in which the patron (the guy with the wallet) has final approval over the work. /end rant

[LadyofRivendell]

hayleym103 wrote...

"Kaidan you're a strong man, talking about this doesn't make you a whiner, and it doesn't make you immature. It makes you human."

I'm with Shep on this one, never saw where the whole Kaidan being whiney thing comes from, but then I like a guy with feelings.

I think Kaidan is called whiny for the same reason Carth and Alistair are - Because they're males with actual FEELINGS.
I know, shocking. Totally unheard of in pop culture. Showing emotion is now the equivalent to whining. We should all go around speaking in monotone or acting like apathetic husks, lest we be referred to as whiners.


Okay, I'm curious, how is the whole ME3 scenario garnering worldwide media attention? Do they really not have anything more newsworthy to discuss, or is the situation really that huge?

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 27 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Soccerchic601]

leborum wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Well after leaving yet another Kaidan hate thread I'd like to reiterate what I said last night.

I wish there was a Virmire choice between Liara and Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

Oh, no, but I could never kill Garr...   oh.    Iseewhatyoudidthere.

Lmao! This. I like Liara...I just got a little tired of Bioware shoving her in my face, especially during ME3.

VintageUtti wrote...
I'm replaying the game on insanity and while I was doing the Eden Prime mission Liara was hovering right in the center of the walkway while Cerberus was approaching and she instantly died and got stuck... in midair.  So I took a pic with my phone:

Bear in mind Kaidan is running around killing troops while I'm staring at Liara.

That's hilarious! I charged an Assault Trooper yesterday, and he went flying off a cliff. Only the game had him suspended in the air, upside down and wriggling around hysterically. By the time I got my phone to take a picture, he had disappeared. Now, I'm keeping my phone handy when I play to catch these funny glitches.

Modifié par Soccerchic601, 27 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Charoleia]

Altie wrote...

Annaka wrote...

I wouldn't mind an Alenko version with Sbarge speaking french, though.

I could kill for that to happen

Same for me ! 

[Charoleia]

LadyofRivendell wrote...


Okay, I'm curious, how is the whole ME3 scenario garnering worldwide media attention? Do they really not have anything more newsworthy to discuss, or is the situation really that huge?

I saw an article in Le Point and Le Nouvel Obs in France. But nothing else... France is more preoccupied by the coming elections so.... I'm not surprised <_<

Modifié par Charoleia, 27 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[shepskisaac]

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[MageTarot]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

[Okay, I'm curious, how is the whole ME3 scenario garnering worldwide media attention? Do they really not have anything more newsworthy to discuss, or is the situation really that huge?

It is that huge. The implications can change the way video games are created forever. It is a big issue over who "owns" a game's story. The game's writers can write anything they want but if the players don't like it, they will make it known and it will affect the company's bottom line. Companies who use the 'we can make anything we want so if they don't like it, tough!" mantra don't stay in business for very long.


Like it or not, BioWare now has to balance artistic integrity with pleasing players...and every other game developer/game company is watching to see how they will resolve this.

[slyborg]

leborum wrote...

Okay, so this isn't exactly Kaidan related, but...

I just read a post from The New Yorker about ME3, the endings, the Retake campaign, Dr. Ray's message, and all. And I gotta say. I'm pretty disappointed in them. I have been a long time subscriber (I may have mentioned this before, but I'm like 29 going on 70) and I tend to find the New Yorker to be insightful. But this is just ridiculous. I won't bore you with the wall of text about why it's terrible, but the comparison to Steven King's Misery, in addition to calling the entire fanbase immature, did sting a little bit. And if you're going to go around claiming that video games are art, and there certainly is validity to that claim, keep in mind that many artworks, including some renowned today, were commissions in which the patron (the guy with the wallet) has final approval over the work. /end rant

^The bolded part the most. I know video game developers want to think they are making art, but they aren't. True art doesn't carry expectations from consumers, because it is a pure creative expression of the artist. Video games are edited, censored, and carry expectations by the people that are paying money for them, just as commissioned art is.

If BioWare was making true art, Kaidan and Shepard would be butt naked during their romance scene, not covered up to please consumers and game ratings.

[LadyofRivendell]

MageTarot wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

[Okay, I'm curious, how is the whole ME3 scenario garnering worldwide media attention? Do they really not have anything more newsworthy to discuss, or is the situation really that huge?

It is that huge. The implications can change the way video games are created forever. It is a big issue over who "owns" a game's story. The game's writers can write anything they want but if the players don't like it, they will make it known and it will affect the company's bottom line. Companies who use the 'we can make anything we want so if they don't like it, tough!" mantra don't stay in business for very long.


Like it or not, BioWare now has to balance artistic integrity with pleasing players...and every other game developer/game company is watching to see how they will resolve this.

I get that it's a big deal in the gaming world, but that's a pretty significant jump from IGN to CNN. Even my mother, whose definition of gaming is Pac Man, mentioned seeing "something about a space game and upset fans" on the news.
I guess I'm just surprised that it's getting outside of the industry attention to the scale it is.

[JenMaxon]

slyborg wrote...
^The bolded part the most. I know video game developers want to think they are making art, but they aren't. True art doesn't carry expectations from consumers, because it is a pure creative expression of the artist. Video games are edited, censored, and carry expectations by the people that are paying money for them, just as commissioned art is.

If BioWare was making true art, Kaidan and Shepard would be butt naked during their romance scene, not covered up to please consumers and game ratings.

No, no - true art: no such thing.  That's such a 19th century point of view.  Gah - I'm trying to stay out of these discussions.

[Ona Demonie]

Got some news:

@[/s]masseffect[/b] @[/s]PatrickWeekes[/b] did you feel pressured to change the ending, Isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?

@[/s]satootaku[/b] We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works

[LadyofRivendell]

I saw that while browsing my Twitter feed, not sure what level to take it on...

[Ona Demonie]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I saw that while browsing my Twitter feed, not sure what level to take it on...

My intial thought was that they are just saying this to save themselves. Then again, Mac's notes did say "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!". It does sound pretty straight forward...

[LadyofRivendell]

I know, in their words, "the story isn't over" and "we've got a lot planned", but that could mean DLC missions just as easily as it could mean an expansion to the ending.

[vernrev]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love diraemythos' fanarts browse.deviantart.com/

I like this one:) Thank you IsaacShep.

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I know, in their words, "the story isn't over" and "we've got a lot planned", but that could mean DLC missions just as easily as it could mean an expansion to the ending.

Referring to that, maybe the fact that after the ending and the stargazer fragment the game is loaded just before the Cerberus headquarters mission points to some DLC added to the main game and not expanding the ending? BioWare employees' answerss/responses are always vague 

Modifié par vernrev, 27 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[leighzard]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Got some news:

@[/s]masseffect[/b] @[/s]PatrickWeekes[/b] did you feel pressured to change the ending, Isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?

@[/s]satootaku[/b] We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works

Yeah, I want to get excited about that.  I mean, I think I am.  The constant stream of new/misinformation is messing with my brain.

[slyborg]

JenMaxon wrote...

slyborg wrote...
^The bolded part the most. I know video game developers want to think they are making art, but they aren't. True art doesn't carry expectations from consumers, because it is a pure creative expression of the artist. Video games are edited, censored, and carry expectations by the people that are paying money for them, just as commissioned art is.

If BioWare was making true art, Kaidan and Shepard would be butt naked during their romance scene, not covered up to please consumers and game ratings.

No, no - true art: no such thing.  That's such a 19th century point of view.  Gah - I'm trying to stay out of these discussions.

It does exist, but I won't argue with you about it.

RE: Twitter, I think all their community people just keep feeding whatever they're told, with no idea what it means. I will wait to see what BioWare actually announces before getting any hopes up or dashed.

Modifié par slyborg, 27 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[leighzard]

slyborg wrote...

JenMaxon wrote...

slyborg wrote...
^The bolded part the most. I know video game developers want to think they are making art, but they aren't. True art doesn't carry expectations from consumers, because it is a pure creative expression of the artist. Video games are edited, censored, and carry expectations by the people that are paying money for them, just as commissioned art is.

If BioWare was making true art, Kaidan and Shepard would be butt naked during their romance scene, not covered up to please consumers and game ratings.

No, no - true art: no such thing.  That's such a 19th century point of view.  Gah - I'm trying to stay out of these discussions.

It does exist, but I won't argue with you about it.

RE: Twitter, I think all their community people just keep feeding whatever they're told, with no idea what it means. I will wait to see what BioWare actually announces before getting any hopes up or dashed.

Well I think we can all agree that art or not, Kaidan's bum is very aesthetically pleasing.

[MageTarot]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I know, in their words, "the story isn't over" and "we've got a lot planned", but that could mean DLC missions just as easily as it could mean an expansion to the ending.

This.  They can come out with all the DLC they want but if it all leads up to their crappy endings, what's the point? The only analogy I can come up at this time would be redecorating all the staterooms on the RMS Titanic but I'm sure y'all out there have wittier ones.

[Haranalee]

Graceyn wrote...

He kept Kaidan alive for his Miranda-mance playthrough (did Genesis because he couldn't actually kill Ashley, he's such a secret softie).  He's doing that ME3 run now (stoping at the beam of course, because OMGWTF ENDING).  He's taking Kaidan and Vega everywhere and keeps talking about his "Bro Squad" and his "Ship of Bros."  It's quite cute .

Awesome! I usually had Liara and EDI and with my FemShep (go girlSquad!) so I was often giving a pep-talk to the screen like "Come on girls, let's kick some"