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TamiBx

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

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@catgirl789

Where did you get that? =D
Link, please!! (trying to post it in another thread)


I don't have a link handy, but it's from the hard to miss cupcakes thread on the General Discussion board. It's the biggest title, you'll know it when you see it. Just click the Bioware logo below, and you'll find the post.


Thank you! :lol:

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madlily wrote...

Hey someone's posted it before in this thread, can someone link me the scene where Kaidan asks Shepard why she didnt wake him.. much appreciated


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So here's the thing that ticks me off. They won't accept the cupcakes because they are a criticism on their game. They also ignore the fact that we sent them out of love as well. If it was just a message being sent, there's a lot of other things we could've sent to them that weren't so tasty. It's like they are saying "I'm sorry, we don't accept criticism."

/snip for length


Here this should make you feel better, I know it helped me. Chris Priestly saw that we pretty much all had that same reaction and this was his response:

Chris Priestly wrote...

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.



:devil:


Edit for formatting stupid copy paste... <_<

Also thanks for the cupcake pic LadyofRivendell:wub:



I understand and I want to believe it, but the problem is they go behind our back and post to gameinformer that the main reason was that the cupcakes were "they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team."

Then they take it back by saying that's not what they were saying. Notice how it's always our fault for not understanding and not theirs for being confusing or using double talk. Just like the endings were not their fault, they were the fans for not understanding and Bioware needs to clarify them cause the fans don't get their vision. There's nothing broken about them!

It's very careful but you look closely you'll find the little digs, sometimes subconscious, sometimes intentional. I deal with these people for a living and they drive me crazy. It is their drive to be your 'friend' but also do what's best for the people they work for. Therefore only 20-30% of what they say is actually honest and not carefully calculated.

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yoshibb wrote...

So here's the thing that ticks me off. They won't accept the cupcakes because they are a criticism on their game. They also ignore the fact that we sent them out of love as well. If it was just a message being sent, there's a lot of other things we could've sent to them that weren't so tasty. It's like they are saying "I'm sorry, we don't accept criticism."

So you say there's no other way? That it may impossible to eat all these cupcakes? Let me offer a solution. See that middle paragraph?

The gesture certainly gained our attention both with its creativity and deliciousness. However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.


Yeah, that one. Remove it. Now it has nothing to do with how they won't accept criticism or rejecting cupcakes and it's simply about giving them to charity.

But no, they had to put that little dig in, didn't they?

Oh and remember how the media were accusing us of using a children's charity as a shield? Oh look, now Bioware is doing the same thing. And they of course make sure to send the story to gameinformer instead of just posting it to the forums where it originated. Now the fans can't complain or else they are hating children. I just love PR departments.

People need to remember that Bioware is a business. At the end of the day, it's about the bottom line.



While I do think they got the message, the bolded portion--partuclarly the  first sentence--bothers me somewhat as well. I mean, it makes me wonder if they would've eaten or passed the cupcakes around the studio if they were sent to celebrate "the work or accomplishment." Another thing I can't quite grasp is the action of sending the cupcakes to the kids at the shelter "on behalf of the fans."

Since the charity drive began for Child's Play, fans received a ton of criticism for attaching the Retake movement to the charity. Additionally, we all know that fans did not intend on sending cupcakes to the kids at the shelter. However deserving the kids might be of the cupcakes, the cupcakes were not intended for them. Although the donation was sweet and noble on the surface, donating the cupcakes "on behalf of the fans" to the kids reminds me of what Tycho from Penny Arcade said: "Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause." Tycho made a good point.

Now, I can't help but wonder: in what way is donating protest cupcakes on behalf of Bioware fans any better than donating to Child's Play since the kids at the shelter were not the Cause? :blink:

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Ainyan42 wrote...

madlily wrote...

Hey someone's posted it before in this thread, can someone link me the scene where Kaidan asks Shepard why she didnt wake him.. much appreciated


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yeah got it tyvm... needed to send that to Saqequeen for her fanfic.. cause that HAS to make it into her story lol

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www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's

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SilverRumRunner wrote...

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's


Who cares about Ashley? She never lives past Virmire anyways :whistle:

But the part about Kaidan made me laugh 

EDIT: I love what the writer gives Ashley names...this is the best article ever! :o

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Read that G4TV articles. While I don't ... agree with the word choice about Ashley and such, but it was done in style of a teen article. So it was a fun read. ^_^

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LadyofRivendell wrote...
 Because Hawaiian Kaidan and Fiesta Kaidan clearly didn't send us the right message...

Look. Look at what you've made me do this time.
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I'm a bad person. And you guys are just as evil for encouraging it :P 
Original picture (sans cupcake) courtesy of the amazing Jhourney on DeviantArt.

Quoted because there is no Kaidan on this page and not becasue I'm in lurve...  :wub:

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SilverRumRunner wrote...

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's


Wait... Someone else, someone professionally affiliated with the industy, likes Kaidan? And can spell his name right?! 
That right there calls for celebratory cupcakes on its own! Unfortunately, all I have is a leftover slice of razzleberry pie...

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acidqueen5426 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

legbamel wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

legbamel wrote...
I don't see it as rude in general, although I think a better move would have had at least one staff member eating one very publicly (or, better yet, three of them, each with one color) and then sending the rest off to a worthy cause. I haven't heard how many cupcakes there were but I got the impression that it was quite a lot. Wouldn't it be worse to hear about dozens of stale cupcakes being found in the trash out back in a couple of days?

And, erm, Kaidan would totally eat cupcakes. There! Back on topic. :D

I wish I could photoshop Kaidan eating one of those cupackes...

Shh! Don't give me ideas :lol:

Like shirtless Kaidan, getting icing all over himself your bed?  :innocent:


OK my mind just went to the gutter.  It's over on the left side in a corner if anyone is joining it there. :devil:


I'll be right there, with mint juleps. >.>


OOOO Mint Juleps... haven't had one of those in so long...  :D

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I've only had a Mint Julep once (well, a virgin one, anyways), last year when I was at the Kentucky Derby. It was...different.

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

SilverRumRunner wrote...

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's


Wait... Someone else, someone professionally affiliated with the industy, likes Kaidan? And can spell his name right?! 
That right there calls for celebratory cupcakes on its own! Unfortunately, all I have is a leftover slice of razzleberry pie...

"Kaidan will join your squad for the first mission in Mass Effect 3.
You won't get to stare at that ass forever though
; Kaidan is gravely
injured during this battle. He is hospitalized on the Citadel for the
next few missions. Buy him some whiskey and visit often to make sure you
can romance him again in this game. If you romanced someone else in Mass Effect 2, you're a ****, but also just say sorry."

Bwaahahhahahaha

Edit:  Oh come on!  I can't say Whoore?  It was a quote!

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leborum wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

SilverRumRunner wrote...

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's


Wait... Someone else, someone professionally affiliated with the industy, likes Kaidan? And can spell his name right?! 
That right there calls for celebratory cupcakes on its own! Unfortunately, all I have is a leftover slice of razzleberry pie...

"Kaidan will join your squad for the first mission in Mass Effect 3.
You won't get to stare at that ass forever though
; Kaidan is gravely
injured during this battle. He is hospitalized on the Citadel for the
next few missions. Buy him some whiskey and visit often to make sure you
can romance him again in this game. If you romanced someone else in Mass Effect 2, you're a ****, but also just say sorry."

Bwaahahhahahaha

Edit:  Oh come on!  I can't say Whoore?  It was a quote!


"If you played Mass Effect the proper way, Ashley is dead, so don't warry about it. No seriously, I hate her."

Whoever wrote this is amazing...said exactly what I think everytime someone brings up Ashley...:devil:

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leborum wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

SilverRumRunner wrote...
www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722230/mass-effect-3-romance-guide-rated-teen-beat-the-latest-in-video-game-gossip/#readmore

 Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but on G4 someone wrote an article about the Romances in ME3. I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for Kaidan in it :D  I don't see that too often outside of here. It also made me laugh a few times with comments from the writer. 

Word of caution, the writer was not as much of a fan of Ashley's


Wait... Someone else, someone professionally affiliated with the industy, likes Kaidan? And can spell his name right?! 
That right there calls for celebratory cupcakes on its own! Unfortunately, all I have is a leftover slice of razzleberry pie...

"Kaidan will join your squad for the first mission in Mass Effect 3.
You won't get to stare at that ass forever though
; Kaidan is gravely
injured during this battle. He is hospitalized on the Citadel for the
next few missions. Buy him some whiskey and visit often to make sure you
can romance him again in this game. If you romanced someone else in Mass Effect 2, you're a ****, but also just say sorry."

Bwaahahhahahaha

Edit:  Oh come on!  I can't say Whoore?  It was a quote!

Am I the only one who wanted him to be a little more upset that I slept with Thane?  'Cos, really, the idea that he dated some **** while I was dead bothered me more than a love affair with a Drell seemed to upset him.

"I'm sorry, Kaidan.  I was mad at you.  [cheesy giggle of girlishness]"
"As, shucks.  That's okay, lil' darlin'.  I understand.  Just  don't do it again."  :bandit:

Edit: apparently you can't say sl-ut, either.  :happy:

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TamiBx wrote...

"If you played Mass Effect the proper way, Ashley is dead, so don't warry about it. No seriously, I hate her."

Whoever wrote this is amazing...said exactly what I think everytime someone brings up Ashley...:devil:


Is Ashley really bad in ME3 or something? I never remember there being so much hate for her before, I do hate her appearance overhaul, though - The hair is okay, but no one needs that much makeup, especially not a soldier! And it almost looks like her cheeks got chubbier...

That being said, she's still my third favorite character, I've just never had her survive Virmire so I don't get it.

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legbamel wrote...

Am I the only one who wanted him to be a little more upset that I slept with Thane?  'Cos, really, the idea that he dated some **** while I was dead bothered me more than a love affair with a Drell seemed to upset him.

"I'm sorry, Kaidan.  I was mad at you.  [cheesy giggle of girlishness]"
"As, shucks.  That's okay, lil' darlin'.  I understand.  Just  don't do it again."  :bandit:

Edit: apparently you can't say sl-ut, either.  :happy:


I did too. I feel like he gets angrier at you in ME1 when you are flirting with him and Liara than he gets at you when you actually cheat on him.
I was expecting a "I'm not going back on Normandy until you break up with him" or "I refuse to date you ever again" or a fight...:unsure:

He doesn't even say anything if you cheat on him with Jacob and take him(K) with you to meet Jacob...

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

"If you played Mass Effect the proper way, Ashley is dead, so don't warry about it. No seriously, I hate her."

Whoever wrote this is amazing...said exactly what I think everytime someone brings up Ashley...:devil:


Is Ashley really bad in ME3 or something? I never remember there being so much hate for her before, I do hate her appearance overhaul, though - The hair is okay, but no one needs that much makeup, especially not a soldier! And it almost looks like her cheeks got chubbier...

That being said, she's still my third favorite character, I've just never had her survive Virmire so I don't get it.


Oh, I've never had her survive in my game either. I saw in someone else's and she's just so..annoying. I just don't like her.
Also, her armor in ME3 is so not appropriate. It looks like she's wearing a skirt. And she needs to tie her hair back (if my FemShep can't have long hair, she can't either)

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TamiBx wrote...

legbamel wrote...

Am I the only one who wanted him to be a little more upset that I slept with Thane?  'Cos, really, the idea that he dated some **** while I was dead bothered me more than a love affair with a Drell seemed to upset him.

"I'm sorry, Kaidan.  I was mad at you.  [cheesy giggle of girlishness]"
"As, shucks.  That's okay, lil' darlin'.  I understand.  Just  don't do it again."  :bandit:

Edit: apparently you can't say sl-ut, either.  :happy:

I did too. I feel like he gets angrier at you in ME1 when you are flirting with him and Liara assumes that being nice means you want to have blue babies with her than he gets at you when you actually cheat on him.
I was expecting a "I'm not going back on Normandy until you break up with him" or "I refuse to date you ever again" or a fight...:unsure:

He doesn't even say anything if you cheat on him with Jacob and take him(K) with you to meet Jacob...

Fixed that for you.  :lol:

Seriously, I wanted an option in ME1 to tell him, "No, all I did was ask her about her work and she tried to jump me.  I swear, she's nuts!  You're the only one for me, baby"  ;)

TamiBx wrote...
Oh, I've never had her survive in my game either. I saw in someone else's and she's just so..annoying. I just don't like her.
Also, her armor in ME3 is so not appropriate. It looks like she's wearing a skirt. And she needs to tie her hair back (if my FemShep can't have long hair, she can't either)

Long hair is nothing but a danger with husks around.  They'll grab hold of it, drag you down, and beat you to death.  Keep it short, keep it safe, Shep.

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@legbamel

Thank you for fixing that! Haha. I always picked middle answer for Liara in ME1 and occasionally used renegade so she would go away...or I just didn't talk to her. Ever.

I kind of missed the neutral(middle) answer in ME3

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Why did you choose your Sheps to cheat anyway?
The end of ME2 is so cute when she looks at his picture before going to the base. I never could let Shep hook up with anybody else.
It makes the romance all the better in 3 as well.

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Why did you choose your Sheps to cheat anyway?
The end of ME2 is so cute when she looks at his picture before going to the base. I never could let Shep hook up with anybody else.
It makes the romance all the better in 3 as well.

If all my Sheps were the same why bother making so many of them?  I made one just for Thane and another for Garrus.  Sure, all of the rest were for Kaidan, except the male Shep with whom I tried to go renegade and then had to delete because he was so incredibly awful.  Even in that game I couldn't keep Ashley.  :P

That said, I really adore Thane.  I was so sad at what they did with him in ME3.  He's not Kaidan but that doesn't make him a lovely romance option and a big relief in the desert of love that is ME2.  Garrus?  Well, that was for science.  :alien: :kissing:

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Poshible wrote...

Why did you choose your Sheps to cheat anyway?
The end of ME2 is so cute when she looks at his picture before going to the base. I never could let Shep hook up with anybody else.
It makes the romance all the better in 3 as well.


Me? Cheat on Kaidan? I never had my FemShep cheat on Kaidan. Nope. Never. I could never do it. 
But I was waiting for cool videos on youtube. Drama ftw :devil:


P.S. I've tried...hit the romance option for Garrus but went back and reloaded before the conversation...

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Ashley is just abrasive which some people don't like. I personally enjoyed talking to her, but I can see how her personality might turn people off. It's certainly better than the excuses for hating Kaidan.

"He's whiny!"
"He's boring!"
"He isn't loyal to me!"

You mean he gives his backstory, he's not an alien, and he doesn't blindly follow your every command. Yeah, those normal people really get on my nerves <_<

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yoshibb wrote...

Ashley is just abrasive which some people don't like. I personally enjoyed talking to her, but I can see how her personality might turn people off. It's certainly better than the excuses for hating Kaidan.

"He's whiny!"
"He's boring!"
"He isn't loyal to me!"

You mean he gives his backstory, he's not an alien, and he doesn't blindly follow your every command. Yeah, those normal people really get on my nerves <_<


I haaate how much crap the VS gets. I didn't realize how unpopular Ash was as well because I was more concerned with Kaidan, but jeez. Both of them get torn apart just because they don't blindly follow Shepard and choose to question Shepard instead (which I think is perfectly valid, given the fact that Shepard died, and then joined a terrorist organization).

Honestly I like the human characters better than the aliens. I don't hate the aliens at all, but I have a special spot for the humans. Especially Kaidan. :P

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I love the Mars mission SO MUCH.

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