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xenacrocker wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

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Kaidan does make a passing comment to Shepard about the Ardat-Yakshi, something like he'd be hopeless to resist them or something. I found it quite odd, especially I was romancing him as a mShep at the time. Does he mention them to a femshep?


He does. I just imagined my FemShep giving him a smirk and a shake of her head.


LOL yeah that was one of the 'where is my smack him upside the back of his head' button moments.

I would love that as a mod!   There are several people I would like to smack upside the head.....but I guess most of them work at Bioware....


shhhh... we don't mention that, we want it to be a surprise :devil:

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alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...


I personaly miss the supportive 'moral compass' talks he had with Shep during ME1. Thats where most of my appreciation for Kaidan stem from.

That said, I can understand if the writers gave more importance to his big romance convo and sexytime scene because they know thats what most people who saved Kaidan were looking for. With limited resources, im ight have done the same. Its just sad that it is a bit at the cost of his overall personality.

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Yeah, I can't stand the hate Ash/Kaidan get for not being a blind Shepard loyalist. I think there's a lot of things Tali and Garrus fans don't consider when it comes to them.

1.) They are in the Alliance, and have their own lives. Garrus doesn't really have anything better to do: He was a viligante on Omega who would have been killed not for Shepard. Tali went through proper channels and received clearance from the Admiralty Board. Ash and Kaidan did not.

2.) Ash and Kaidan both have infinitely more reason to hate Cerberus because they are both humans, and military brats. This is more prominent with Ash than it is Kaidan, but while Cerberus has an obvious xenophobia for aliens, they claim to be making things better for humanity as a whole, including the VS. Given Ash's determined desire to prove she's not a weakling, and Kaidan's morality, it would set them off a lot more than Tali, who can simply hate Cerberus for it's xenophobia.

3.) While not true for Ash, Kaidan has no reason to simply "fall in line" behind Shepard: Kaidan outranks him: Major is higher than Commander. Shepard has no authority to give Kaidan orders. 

4.) Tali and Garrus found out about Shepard by accident, Ash/Kaidan found out through second-hand rumors that Shepard was working with Cerberus, then had the rumors confirmed. Even if Shepard wanted to contact them, it never actually happened. How would you react when your best friend supposedly died, came back to life, and joined a terrorist organization, all the while not bothering to let you know they were, at the very least, okay. 

5.) As ME3 showed us, Ash and Kaidan were right: Shepard couldn't trust Cerberus.


I know this is a delayed reaction but I'm just getting caught up.  I certainly don't disagree with your point that Kaidan and Ash don't deserve all the hate just because they didn't drop their obligations and their careers to hop on the SR-2 like the rest of their lives meant nothing.  However, I do disagree with some of what you've written.

First, how do Ash and Kaidan have more reason to hate Cerberus, a group whose stated mission is to promote humanity at the cost of every other species, than Tali?  Consider the direct action of Cerberus against the Quarians.  And Garrus was there for the same Cerberus missions that Shep and Kaidan/Ash were.  Why should he trust them any more than the VS?  Yet both of them set aside their reasons to join Shepard on a mission to save humans.  Not any other species, just humans.

Second, Kaidan was not a Major in ME2 (though still a rank higher than what Shepard had been and again became in ME3) and Shepard was not with the Alliance at all.  Regardless of the VS's rank, Shepard had no authority over him or her.

Shepard didn't contact Ash or Kaidan because she didn't know where they were.  Their location and mission was classified by the Alliance and Shep had no access to their service records.  TIM knows, but he ain't talking and Anderson is either on the Council and may not know or has no reason to trust Shepard with the information because, y'know, she's working for Cerberus and isn't part of the Alliance any more.  Personally, I head-canon it that Shep sent a message to the address she had and it bounces back, because, really, it's an e-mail address and it should still work.  Maybe ME1 addresses were like Hotmail and the Alliance switched to gmail.  :P

Last, you can't use ME3 revelations to judge ME2 actions.  And, hell, Shep didn't trust TIM any farther than she could throw him.  Circumstance forced her hand in a way it did not for the VS.  Again, I certainly don't think they deserve the sort of flak they get for NOT dropping everything, including their assignment to protect the colonists on Horizon (those that were still left), but neither do they get a pass from me.  Tali went through proper channels but, as far as we know, the VS didn't even ask.  :(

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outmane wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...


I personaly miss the supportive 'moral compass' talks he had with Shep during ME1. Thats where most of my appreciation for Kaidan stem from.

That said, I can understand if the writers gave more importance to his big romance convo and sexytime scene because they know thats what most people who saved Kaidan were looking for. With limited resources, im ight have done the same. Its just sad that it is a bit at the cost of his overall personality.


Lady- Yeah, I had a hard time romancing any of the characters in ME2 with the exception of Garrus and Kelly. Probably would have tried romancing Tali but I didn't have a Shep that fit the bill.

I've found most of the romance stuff on YouTube, though, and people who didn't fall for Tali and Garrus really got shafted in 3, especially anyone who picked Jacob.

Mane- You're absolutely right. I didn't think of it that way. I really appreciated the final talk they had on earth, but it just seemed like the rest was lacking (same with Ashley). It makes sense when you frame it on where the writers put the emphasis, though. I just wish Shep and Kaidan could have caught up more. :blush:

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...Okay, I think Fanfiction.net is bugged out or something. Has anyone else been getting notification emails from them? I've seen that some of my subscribed stories have been updated, and I got eight new reviews for one of my stories, yet I haven't received an email all day.

And I'm sad, I can't find the GIF of Kaidan's butt D:

Probably bugged - I tried to register an account 4 times yesterday and never received a single confirmation. Guess I'll keep writing quietly til it recovers!

I got so irritated with FF glitching and being down that I finally started a blog and moved everything there.  Losing all of the great reviews and feedback was sad but being able to post and edit any time I wanted to has been a major relief.  If anyone wants me to publish on Just a BioWare Fan let me know.  I haven't done any guest posts but I'm very much open to them.

Sorry for so many posts.  I'm catching up on the thread.  :D

Edited to add (rather than yet another post) that I have a playlist for ME-related music on Grooveshark (and a BioWare music page on my blog that explains how each song actually makes sense to me) if anyone is looking for more Shenko music (and a new theme song for Mordin).

And that my disappointment with Kaidan's interaction stems mostly from things like coming from Garrus who just told me that I'm looking a little rough and need to take better care of myself to Kaidan in the next conversation saying, "You look good."  No, I don't!  I need you to come up and put me to bed!  :o  Oh, and my disappointment with his completely missing my jerking awake after that last nightmare.  I wanted him to be all consoling and have Shep really tell him what was going on with her and it was just brushed aside because he slept right through it.

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#38832
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alyxor wrote...

outmane wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...


I personaly miss the supportive 'moral compass' talks he had with Shep during ME1. Thats where most of my appreciation for Kaidan stem from.

That said, I can understand if the writers gave more importance to his big romance convo and sexytime scene because they know thats what most people who saved Kaidan were looking for. With limited resources, im ight have done the same. Its just sad that it is a bit at the cost of his overall personality.


Lady- Yeah, I had a hard time romancing any of the characters in ME2 with the exception of Garrus and Kelly. Probably would have tried romancing Tali but I didn't have a Shep that fit the bill.

I've found most of the romance stuff on YouTube, though, and people who didn't fall for Tali and Garrus really got shafted in 3, especially anyone who picked Jacob.


Seeing scenes on YouTube really makes me thankful for what we were given with Kaidan. Could you imagine if we got the Jacob treatment?!



Huh... Just got an email from EA, "Thank you for purchasing Mass Effect 3!" I think they missed the boat on that one...

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[quote]LadyofRivendell wrote...

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[quote]outmane wrote...

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[quote]alyxor wrote...
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Huh... Just got an email from EA, "Thank you for purchasing Mass Effect 3!" I think they missed the boat on that one...
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HAHA I just got that one myself /sigh

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I love the "Don't Kaidan me this is buissness" line too :)

Makes me go all ':wub:' for Kaidan :D


I would've loved to know what Vega was thinking during the beginning of Mars :lol:


The third or fourth chapter of this www.fanfiction.net/s/6671724/1/A_Renegades_Choice is what Vega was thinking :D
Edit: wrong chapter, but this awesome

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I love the "Don't Kaidan me this is buissness" line too :)

Makes me go all ':wub:' for Kaidan :D


I would've loved to know what Vega was thinking during the beginning of Mars :lol:

Haha yeah same here! He ws probabaly like "Woah these guys have some serious history" xD

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

Seeing scenes on YouTube really makes me thankful for what we were given with Kaidan. Could you imagine if we got the Jacob treatment?!


I would be pretty frustrated. I didn't even romance Jacob and I wanted to pistol-whip him after I saved them all from scientists. His girlfriend's attitude if you romanced him in the second game is pretty disgusting, too. Actually, there's a whole list of grievances I could potentially make from that whole event.

I guess it also goes back to ME2. The whole scene with Kaidan was irksome on Horizon, but that wasn't really his fault or Shepard's. But I know everyone here has had that conversation before.

At least Kaidan is his well-mannered, well-thought self in this game, even if he doesn't verbally express it as often as I'd like.

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AllisonMarie wrote...

The third or fourth chapter of this www.fanfiction.net/s/6671724/1/A_Renegades_Choice is what Vega was thinking :D
Edit: wrong chapter, but this awesome


Jaer updated yesterday but because of the glitch no-one who is following her got an email from ff.net

http://www.fanfictio...enegades_Choice  - new chapter

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AllisonMarie wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I love the "Don't Kaidan me this is buissness" line too :)

Makes me go all ':wub:' for Kaidan :D


I would've loved to know what Vega was thinking during the beginning of Mars :lol:


The third or fourth chapter of this www.fanfiction.net/s/6671724/1/A_Renegades_Choice is what Vega was thinking :D
Edit: wrong chapter, but this awesome


Because I didn't already have three tabs open of ff.net already (two of which happen to be Jaer's fics) *clicks link*

Was reading this one: 
http://www.fanfictio...tribution_Again Not much story context, but I got a good laugh nonetheless.

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

AllisonMarie wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I love the "Don't Kaidan me this is buissness" line too :)

Makes me go all ':wub:' for Kaidan :D


I would've loved to know what Vega was thinking during the beginning of Mars :lol:


The third or fourth chapter of this www.fanfiction.net/s/6671724/1/A_Renegades_Choice is what Vega was thinking :D
Edit: wrong chapter, but this awesome


Because I didn't already have three tabs open of ff.net already (two of which happen to be Jaer's fics) *clicks link*

Was reading this one: 
http://www.fanfictio...tribution_Again Not much story context, but I got a good laugh nonetheless.


"I think it's my hooker outfit." and "It's even in N7 colors." lololol. This is exactly how I felt about that outfit. My shep wouldn't be caught dead in it. Unless Kaidan begged :whistle:

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

AllisonMarie wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I love the "Don't Kaidan me this is buissness" line too :)

Makes me go all ':wub:' for Kaidan :D


I would've loved to know what Vega was thinking during the beginning of Mars :lol:


The third or fourth chapter of this www.fanfiction.net/s/6671724/1/A_Renegades_Choice is what Vega was thinking :D
Edit: wrong chapter, but this awesome


Because I didn't already have three tabs open of ff.net already (two of which happen to be Jaer's fics) *clicks link*

Was reading this one: 
http://www.fanfictio...tribution_Again Not much story context, but I got a good laugh nonetheless.


Yes that one was absolutely hilarious, I loved it.  It was just great, definitely needed a good laugh.

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...


So you guys have the same issues with Kaidan like we Ashmancers? Except some extra stuff that's not really noteworthy (like a bit more interaction with the crew).

Seriously - is it just me or why do I feel BW had no idea what to do with the VS - or outright hated them? :(

That hope for a VS-DLC keeps myself invested into my VS ...

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CptData wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

alyxor wrote...

You guys might have already discussed this, but were you at all disappointed with how little he had to say once he got on the ship? He had all sorts of interesting things to discuss with you in the first game, but you guys haven't hung out in about three years. He might know what you've been up to, but I feel like he should have more to say about everything.


This is pretty much the only complaint I have with Kaidan's romance, lack of content. 
But, being that he actually has the most interaction aside from Garrus and Liara, and arguably the best non-Liara romance scenes, I hate to be complaining. Especially considering characters like Thane, Jacob, Tali, basically any of the ME2 romances...


So you guys have the same issues with Kaidan like we Ashmancers? Except some extra stuff that's not really noteworthy (like a bit more interaction with the crew).

Seriously - is it just me or why do I feel BW had no idea what to do with the VS - or outright hated them? :(

That hope for a VS-DLC keeps myself invested into my VS ...


After the Citadel, the VS pretty much does fall off the edge of the Earth... I'm guessing it's probably due to the rewrite they went through after the script leak. Man, ME3 would've been so much better with an extra year of dev time. Even another 6 months or something. It's good as is, but the cut stuff is evidence of how much more it could have been...

I don't think BW hates the VS. Pretty much every single line and scene we got with Kaidan was pure gold and they do have a lot more content than most others. 

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I agree. That is why my Femshep can never cheat. I never considered watching the YouTube video's though. The human characters hit home, in real life I would never go after somebody I am not attracted to and I am not attracted to Aliens lol Kaidan was there in the beggining, and was well integrated. 
It's like in Dragon Age going after anybody but Alistair. I can not do it no matter how I try. Or going for NOBODY in DA2 because they are just as ugly as the aliens. (Except Sebastian...but most people do not count him.)


I had no trouble going after Zevran with an elf in DA:O ... well, I did have a little trouble because Alistair is just to appealing, but I was glad I did it in the end. Zevran can be appealing, too.

And in DA2, after getting getting burned by Anders the first time through and having to knife him, I went for Fenris after that. Whatever I thought about how they made elves look (enormous retcon there BioWare), it was easy to overlook after listening to that voice. And the way there was that hint of, erm, spice in the relationship, sort of like we got in the locker scene with Kaidan, the way he forcefully pulls you up against him ... oooo, yeah. After romancing Fenris once, I couldn't imagine going back to Anders.  Posted Image

That's why my headcanon thinks that Kaidan my seem like a very restrained fellow, but when you get him to let go ... LOOKOUT!

This.

Although I modded Anders to make him prettier my first time around, hahaha.

But yeah, Fenris is the best. I totally wrote him off at first because he looked like a dumb bishi elf, but once he opened his mouth I was utterly sold.

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People keep talking about this buttshot we get in ME3, I think I might have missed it? Does anyone have a youtube vid or screen cap so I can keep an eye out during my replay? ;)

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Madgey wrote...

People keep talking about this buttshot we get in ME3, I think I might have missed it? Does anyone have a youtube vid or screen cap so I can keep an eye out during my replay? ;)


It's after the Coup, when you go back to the Normandy and have a chat with Kaidan in the docking bay. If you let him rejoin the crew, he'll turn to board the Normandy. The camera specifically focuses on his bum, and then you get a shot of Shep raising an eyebrow and smirking.

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

Madgey wrote...

People keep talking about this buttshot we get in ME3, I think I might have missed it? Does anyone have a youtube vid or screen cap so I can keep an eye out during my replay? ;)


It's after the Coup, when you go back to the Normandy and have a chat with Kaidan in the docking bay. If you let him rejoin the crew, he'll turn to board the Normandy. The camera specifically focuses on his bum, and then you get a shot of Shep raising an eyebrow and smirking.

Iiiiinteresting, I never noticed that! Do only loyal Sheps get this scene because Thane may have tripped and fell into my FemShep's pants in ME2.

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I think they must, because my Thane-Shep didn't get it and my loyal Shep did, even though the Coup went exactly the same for both of them.

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I'd imagine it's probably a loyal thing, just because it would be out of place for anyone who didn't intend to romance him/was already hooking up with someone else.

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Boo! I don't think I have a completed loyal ME2 play through. (Don't judge me! Thane was all sexy, with his stupid sexy voice and sexy dialogue)

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You'll just have to re-import one of your Sheps to ME2 and make a stronger-willed one.  I will admit that it took me three tries to resist Thane completely after I romanced him the first time.:wub:  Once you start flirting the temptation only multiplies.  I had to keep thinking, "But the Kaiiiiiiidan!"  :lol:

Ah, crap.  THAT was ToP?   I'll be back.
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I've always loved this one.  It makes ME1 twice as entertaining.  It also shows that BioWare has never successfully created a realistic elbow.

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