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dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


Well she did call my Engie Shep an Engineer, though I think that's because there's really no other way to descibe that class. I'm curious as to what she tells others now though.

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dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


I think all the class names are simply gameplay terms used for the player's conviences. I doubt a vanguard Shepard would call themselve a vanguard, but simply a biotic who specialised their biotics to be used in CQC.

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Lizardviking wrote...
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Shepard knows that the Alliance and council has failed to do anything for that last two years, or atleast have nothing to show for it. That is what he means by the Alliance failing the colonies. Shepard's views however, might be slightly biased as he also personally feels betrayed by both the Council and the Alliance.


Actually, that isn't something Shepard knows. Shepard's been out of the loop with a small case of the dead and Timmy is far from credible font of information, but it's a small issue against the colonies specifically settling where they are to get away from the Alliance and all their pesky rules. Difficult to claim the colonies were failed when they told the Alliance to get stuffed in the first place. Of course, that could be your argument from Kaidan right there.

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Lizardviking wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


I think all the class names are simply gameplay terms used for the player's conviences. I doubt a vanguard Shepard would call themselve a vanguard, but simply a biotic who specialised their biotics to be used in CQC.


Actually, I figured they went to specialized training for their classes so would call themselves by their classifications.  They just wouldn't dwell on it.

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Sialater wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


I think all the class names are simply gameplay terms used for the player's conviences. I doubt a vanguard Shepard would call themselve a vanguard, but simply a biotic who specialised their biotics to be used in CQC.


Actually, I figured they went to specialized training for their classes so would call themselves by their classifications.  They just wouldn't dwell on it.


That might fly for vanguards or sentinels, but not for soldiers or engineers.

I am not big on military knowlegde. But I would imagine a soldier Shepard simply being a "normal" special forces soldier, and a engineer Shepard is obviously a combat engineer (Liara even says that in the time capsule scene).

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JaerWolfe wrote...


Lizardviking wrote...
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Shepard knows that the Alliance and council has failed to do anything for that last two years, or atleast have nothing to show for it. That is what he means by the Alliance failing the colonies. Shepard's views however, might be slightly biased as he also personally feels betrayed by both the Council and the Alliance.


Actually, that isn't something Shepard knows. Shepard's been out of the loop with a small case of the dead and Timmy is far from credible font of information, but it's a small issue against the colonies specifically settling where they are to get away from the Alliance and all their pesky rules. Difficult to claim the colonies were failed when they told the Alliance to get stuffed in the first place. Of course, that could be your argument from Kaidan right there.


Shepard knows that the abductions have been going on for two years with little to no progress being made to stop them so far.

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AndreasShepard wrote...

<hesitantly snipped to conserve space>

Wanted to share this piece, I was inspired by the goodbye scene where Kaidan says to Shepard how he's going to "fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." Could be Shepard waking from indoctrination or bleeding to death after the destruction ending. I'm waiting to see what the DLC will be and then make up my mind. Or if it doesn't fit at all then it'll just be my own imagined ending but having Kaidan magically teleport to the Normandy will simply not do for me.



Thanks a million for sharing this remarkable artwork, Andreas!  Since my canon Shepard is the default Sheploo who always romances Kaidan, I'm always on the lookout for M!Shenko art. Always the eternal optimist when it comes to those two, I'm taking the "Kaidan saves Shepard" road with your artwork. ME3's endings have brought me nothing but tears and heartache. A big "muchas gracias!" for giving me hope. Image IPB 

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Lizardviking wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...


Lizardviking wrote...
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Shepard knows that the Alliance and council has failed to do anything for that last two years, or atleast have nothing to show for it. That is what he means by the Alliance failing the colonies. Shepard's views however, might be slightly biased as he also personally feels betrayed by both the Council and the Alliance.


Actually, that isn't something Shepard knows. Shepard's been out of the loop with a small case of the dead and Timmy is far from credible font of information, but it's a small issue against the colonies specifically settling where they are to get away from the Alliance and all their pesky rules. Difficult to claim the colonies were failed when they told the Alliance to get stuffed in the first place. Of course, that could be your argument from Kaidan right there.


Shepard knows that the abductions have been going on for two years with little to no progress being made to stop them so far.

Agreed...what Shepard doesn't know is what the Alliance is doing about it. Anderson deliberately stonewalled Shepard on any of that information, but Kaidan being stationed on Horizon and Vega's backstory prove that the Alliance is/was doing something. According to Vega, they even knew the Collectors were involved, as I recall.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


I think all the class names are simply gameplay terms used for the player's conviences. I doubt a vanguard Shepard would call themselve a vanguard, but simply a biotic who specialised their biotics to be used in CQC.


Actually, I figured they went to specialized training for their classes so would call themselves by their classifications.  They just wouldn't dwell on it.


That might fly for vanguards or sentinels, but not for soldiers or engineers.

I am not big on military knowlegde. But I would imagine a soldier Shepard simply being a "normal" special forces soldier, and a engineer Shepard is obviously a combat engineer (Liara even says that in the time capsule scene).


Actually, in the "real military" they refer to their occupations by an alphanumeric abbreviation called an MOS (my husband was a 31-Charlie, IIRC, in the US Army).  At least in the US they do.  So yes, an engineer would have specialized training as would a soldier, a vanguard, a sentinel... etc.  Though, I'd call a soldier a "weapons specialist," Bioware's perfectly OK in shortening it to Soldier.

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sanmar wrote...

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MassErrect has awesome gifs <3


A bit late, but I love this :wub:
Great find sanmar <3

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Sialater wrote...

Actually, in the "real military" they refer to their occupations by an alphanumeric abbreviation called an MOS (my husband was a 31-Charlie, IIRC).  At least in the US they do.  So yes, an engineer would have specialized training as would a soldier, a vanguard, a sentinel... etc.  Though, I'd call a soldier a "weapons specialist," Bioware's perfectly OK in shortening it to Soldier.


Hmm.  I will just bow to your knowlegde in this area then. Sounds like you actually know something about the military, unlike me.

As for the soldier part. I think they would call soldier-Shepard a weapon specialist as you mentioned, not a soldier.

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dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


That's a good question because look at the three different ways in which biotics are used: vanguard, adepts and sentinals. That's almost like frontline heavies, artillery and support if you think about it especially if you think about the role they wind up filling in MP.

So, maybe you could give them designations based more on the roles they'd fill in combat and less on their class titles? Maybe that would help?

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JaerWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...


Lizardviking wrote...
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Shepard knows that the Alliance and council has failed to do anything for that last two years, or atleast have nothing to show for it. That is what he means by the Alliance failing the colonies. Shepard's views however, might be slightly biased as he also personally feels betrayed by both the Council and the Alliance.


Actually, that isn't something Shepard knows. Shepard's been out of the loop with a small case of the dead and Timmy is far from credible font of information, but it's a small issue against the colonies specifically settling where they are to get away from the Alliance and all their pesky rules. Difficult to claim the colonies were failed when they told the Alliance to get stuffed in the first place. Of course, that could be your argument from Kaidan right there.


Shepard knows that the abductions have been going on for two years with little to no progress being made to stop them so far.

Agreed...what Shepard doesn't know is what the Alliance is doing about it. Anderson deliberately stonewalled Shepard on any of that information, but Kaidan being stationed on Horizon and Vega's backstory prove that the Alliance is/was doing something. According to Vega, they even knew the Collectors were involved, as I recall.


I do not believe the Alliance knew that it was the Collectors who were behind the abductions until Shepard returns and speaks with Anderson, and it is only truly confirmed after Horizon.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Actually, in the "real military" they refer to their occupations by an alphanumeric abbreviation called an MOS (my husband was a 31-Charlie, IIRC).  At least in the US they do.  So yes, an engineer would have specialized training as would a soldier, a vanguard, a sentinel... etc.  Though, I'd call a soldier a "weapons specialist," Bioware's perfectly OK in shortening it to Soldier.


Hmm.  I will just bow to your knowlegde in this area then. Sounds like you actually know something about the military, unlike me.

As for the soldier part. I think they would call soldier-Shepard a weapon specialist as you mentioned, not a soldier.


The lack of "real world" military knowledge in ME is one of the reasons I and a couple other writers began working on Persephone Rising.  But to get back to the original question... yes, Vangaurds etc... I can see as being actual designations.

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Okay I give up. There was a sketch posted earlier of Kaidan with a kid that I just can't seem to find right now, but I wanted to tell whoever drew it that I liked Kaidan, but that kid with the hoodie looks a little too much like the Star Child for my liking (maybe without the hoodie he wouldn't?:huh:) but over all I really do like the pic.^_^

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Lizardviking wrote...
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I do not believe the Alliance knew that it was the Collectors who were behind the abductions until Shepard returns and speaks with Anderson, and it is only truly confirmed after Horizon.

Good point and I agree about the timeline. I think Shepard has every reason to feel failed and betrayed by the Alliance and to a lesser extent, the Council. The flaw I see is dragging the colonies into the argument. The Alliance and the Council have no legal jurisdiction in the Terminous systems. They have an active policy of hands off, in fact, to prevent any wars being started. The colonies can't claim they aren't being protected when going out there they were specifically told they wouldn't be to avoid any diplomatic incidents.
In other words, Shepard holding the Alliance accountable for not protecting the colonies when the colonies are out of Alliance jurisdiction is a weak argument. There are better reasons Shepard can feel he was betrayed and failed by the Alliance and the Council. IMO

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catgirl789 wrote...

Okay I give up. There was a sketch posted earlier of Kaidan with a kid that I just can't seem to find right now, but I wanted to tell whoever drew it that I liked Kaidan, but that kid with the hoodie looks a little too much like the Star Child for my liking (maybe without the hoodie he wouldn't?:huh:) but over all I really do like the pic.^_^

This one?
http://s3.amazonaws....eOAeB74EfWJdc0=

If it is then I put it up earlier and thanks for the compliment! The kid is based on my baby daughter so I see her rather than the star kid but I see what you mean - sorry about that!

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Enigma1322 wrote...

I have something to ask, I haven't been able to get the best ending because of multiplayer, I tried it the other day with random people but some of them got mad at me for not being good enough, so I can't get to see my Kaidan get out with joker at the end. It's not because I am bad at playing mp but I just need to know what to do and to know how it works first. I am level one and the others were level 150.... I really hope that Bioware fixes the ems problem, its not fair to be forced to play mp to get the best ending. Anyway, my question was this, is there anyone who want to play mp with me on Xbox live?

It's bothering me that we are starting to see this in MP for several reasons: 1. it's supposed to be co-op and, in my old-fashioned way I guess, I interpret this as supporting one another; 2. I've never particularly found the Bioware community to be so competitative and cliquey in the past so why now?; 3. Everyone has to start somewhere - what's your problem?  If I see someone who has a level 1 character with a N7 level 1 rating, I'm inclined to try and help out, as in 'come and join the fun!' not 'get out noob'.  Ah well, I'm neither male nor 14, maybe that explains it.

Anyway, for the record, I have a high N7 number (200 and something now) because I've been playing a lot.  Not necessarily because I'm good (I don't think I am) but because I find it fun and it's an amusing way to fill 20 minutes and I don't want to play the main game.  But I do know how the thing works.  So if you want to add me to your friends list, feel free and invite me along anytime if I'm around.  I'm usually up for punching some sense into the bad guys.  And don't feel bad - those people are idiots.

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frylock23 wrote...



dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Speaking of fanfic, I'm working on one at the moment and the question came up - could/would Shep or any of the others describe themselves as a Vanguard / Sentinel / Adept / etc.? Or is that just a way that the ME universe helps us, the players, to categorize them? When Liara describes Shepard when she's making the recording - if you let her choose the words - she describes you by your class and a little bit of your backstory, but to best of my knowledge, doesn't explicitly mention a class. And I don't recall hearing others mention their own abilities as a class... though Aria mentions the fact that Blood Pack mercs make excellent vanguards in the general sense of the ones you throw into the fight first.

If any of that makes sense, my head is in 50 places today but this has been blocking me from getting through my first couple of chapters :)


That's a good question because look at the three different ways in which biotics are used: vanguard, adepts and sentinals. That's almost like frontline heavies, artillery and support if you think about it especially if you think about the role they wind up filling in MP.

So, maybe you could give them designations based more on the roles they'd fill in combat and less on their class titles? Maybe that would help?


Thanks all - yes that last point about biotics is the root of the problem, since I have three biotic sheps, one of each, and I was trying to unravel things in my head...

You're all absolutely right, and I have an idea of how to proceed - cheers!

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Good point and I agree about the timeline. I think Shepard has every reason to feel failed and betrayed by the Alliance and to a lesser extent, the Council. The flaw I see is dragging the colonies into the argument. The Alliance and the Council have no legal jurisdiction in the Terminous systems. They have an active policy of hands off, in fact, to prevent any wars being started. The colonies can't claim they aren't being protected when going out there they were specifically told they wouldn't be to avoid any diplomatic incidents.
In other words, Shepard holding the Alliance accountable for not protecting the colonies when the colonies are out of Alliance jurisdiction is a weak argument. There are better reasons Shepard can feel he was betrayed and failed by the Alliance and the Council. IMO


Does the Alliance hold any legal obligation to help the colonies? No, but said Shepard still feel that they should do something to protect other humans. Especially against the Reapers.

Anyway I quickly added a little bit to the fanfic, I wonder if it makes it better.

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“Betrayal?” Shepard immediately snapped back the split second Kaidan ended. He had lost most of his composure the moment Kaidan accused him of betrayal. Shepard continued “If you want to talk about betrayal then look around you Kaidan, the Alliance has failed these colonies!” Shepard gestured at the scene surrounding them, what should have been a thriving colony was now almost turned into a ghost town. He took one step towards Kaidan, they were now face-to-face.

“You have failed to take any actions against the Reapers.”
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Lizardviking wrote...
Does the Alliance hold any legal obligation to help the colonies? No, but said Shepard still feel that they should do something to protect other humans. Especially against the Reapers.

Anyway I quickly added a little bit to the fanfic, I wonder if it makes it better.

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“Betrayal?” Shepard immediately snapped back the split second Kaidan ended. He had lost most of his composure the moment Kaidan accused him of betrayal. Shepard continued “If you want to talk about betrayal then look around you Kaidan, the Alliance has failed these colonies!” Shepard gestured at the scene surrounding them, what should have been a thriving colony was now almost turned into a ghost town. He took one step towards Kaidan, they were now face-to-face.

“You have failed to take any actions against the Reapers.”
----

Again, I have to go back to the purpose of the scene. Is it venting against Kaidan because Shepard feels guilt for so many of the colonists lives being lost? Is it Shepard being angry because Kaidan called him a traitor and said he'd betrayed him? Is it justification for Shepard working with Cerberus? Is it because Shepard feels the Alliance and the Council failed him, personally, and because Kaidan is Alliance that means he owns that failure, too? Any and all are valid stances and can be used.

What I, personally, am getting from the clip is that Shepard is holding Kaidan personally responsible...because Kaidan is the Alliance representative on Horizon...for not protecting the colonies better. It also sounds like Shepard is holding Kaidan personally responsible because the Reapers haven't been stopped yet. If this is how your Shepard feels, that's okay and a valid point to work from. In any of those situations...because the attack on Kaidan has become personal...Kaidan will attack back using personal arguments. Cerberus will more than likely be brought up again. Shepard's failure to honor his oaths to the Alliance will also be fair game in Kaidan's mindset.

I feel as if I'm not helping and I do apologize for making things more confusing.

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sanmar wrote...

@Sable Rhapsody Welcome! Good to hear that you like Kaidan now. I think Kaidan is very useful in ME1, if you upgrade him. He saved my ass very often. Wrex and Kaidan are my A-Team in ME1.


Thank you!  Boy, this thread moves fast.  And I'm sure Kaidan can be useful in ME1, but my Shepard was an Adept with tech bonus powers, so Kaidan was a bit redundant for her mechanically.

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The lack of "real world" military knowledge in ME is one of the reasons I and a couple other writers began working onPersephone Rising.  But to get back to the original question... yes, Vangaurds etc... I can see as being actual designations.

 

Hi Sia! ^_^

Anyway, on the classes: I could see them being actual designations for practical reasons.  An Adept and a Vanguard are both powerful biotics, but they fight very differently, and their military designation should reflect that.

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Does anyone else have DAO on Steam for the PC?  My game keeps telling me its taken screenshots...but I have yet to be able to find them.  :(

https://encrypted-tb...kkoekYSLYrcFkFh

Also..can you only buy DA2 from Origin?  I only have all these games for Xbox but after getting my new beastly computer I felt it was going to waste not having all these games on it, heehee.  I want to buy ME3 for it so I can see how much more beautiful Kaidan is on my beastly comp than on the Xbox, but I don't want to give them money after what they did to the endings...so conflicted!  Does the PC version have the same bugs as the Xbox game?  Like my game ALWAYS freezes at the part of Jacobs mission when you're entering the building with him (Jacob) after killing cerberus.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

sanmar wrote...

@Sable Rhapsody Welcome! Good to hear that you like Kaidan now. I think Kaidan is very useful in ME1, if you upgrade him. He saved my ass very often. Wrex and Kaidan are my A-Team in ME1.


Thank you!  Boy, this thread moves fast.  And I'm sure Kaidan can be useful in ME1, but my Shepard was an Adept with tech bonus powers, so Kaidan was a bit redundant for her mechanically.

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The lack of "real world" military knowledge in ME is one of the reasons I and a couple other writers began working onPersephone Rising.  But to get back to the original question... yes, Vangaurds etc... I can see as being actual designations.

 

Hi Sia! ^_^

Anyway, on the classes: I could see them being actual designations for practical reasons.  An Adept and a Vanguard are both powerful biotics, but they fight very differently, and their military designation should reflect that.


Hi, Sable!  I see you've come to walk on the biotic side. ;)

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Lizardviking wrote...
Does the Alliance hold any legal obligation to help the colonies? No, but said Shepard still feel that they should do something to protect other humans. Especially against the Reapers.

Anyway I quickly added a little bit to the fanfic, I wonder if it makes it better.

-----
“Betrayal?” Shepard immediately snapped back the split second Kaidan ended. He had lost most of his composure the moment Kaidan accused him of betrayal. Shepard continued “If you want to talk about betrayal then look around you Kaidan, the Alliance has failed these colonies!” Shepard gestured at the scene surrounding them, what should have been a thriving colony was now almost turned into a ghost town. He took one step towards Kaidan, they were now face-to-face.

“You have failed to take any actions against the Reapers.”
----

Again, I have to go back to the purpose of the scene. Is it venting against Kaidan because Shepard feels guilt for so many of the colonists lives being lost? Is it Shepard being angry because Kaidan called him a traitor and said he'd betrayed him? Is it justification for Shepard working with Cerberus? Is it because Shepard feels the Alliance and the Council failed him, personally, and because Kaidan is Alliance that means he owns that failure, too? Any and all are valid stances and can be used.


Shepard is starting to vent against Kaidan, before the "You betrayed us" line he was more defensive during the conversation. It is only after the accusation of treason that he starts to lash out against Kaidan plus the Alliance and the Council.

His anger at Kaidan lies at his mistrust and belief that he is a traitor, and the fact that Kaidan has seemingly failed to accomplish anything in the past two years.

His anger at the alliance/council is their ignoration of the Reaper threat, unwillingness to help the colonies  and the fact that they have abandonded him.

What I, personally, am getting from the clip is that Shepard is holding Kaidan personally responsible...because Kaidan is the Alliance representative on Horizon...for not protecting the colonies better. It also sounds like Shepard is holding Kaidan personally responsible because the Reapers haven't been stopped yet. If this is how your Shepard feels, that's okay and a valid point to work from. In any of those situations...because the attack on Kaidan has become personal...Kaidan will attack back using personal arguments. Cerberus will more than likely be brought up again. Shepard's failure to honor his oaths to the Alliance will also be fair game in Kaidan's mindset.

I feel as if I'm not helping and I do apologize for making things more confusing.


It is okay, I suppose I could PM you the rest of the chapter if you want better context.