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[VintageUtti]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

On the artistic aspect, I think I can see what they were TRYING to do (I think). To me, it seems like they're trying to mess with your mind, with the Catalyst and all, exploring the perception vs. reality, true nature of good and evil, and deeper philosophical points like that. However, the execution is the lacking bit. They could have fleshed this out really nicely (think the plot of the first Matrix, which Walters had cited on his planning sheet) but they missed the home run. It still would've felt out of place, but if it was done to a higher level of understanding, it would be a bit more acceptable.
Or maybe it's midnight and reading Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all in a timespan of four days has fried my tiny little brain and I'm overthinking things again.

I think they also played the Genesis card with Synthesis, but mentioning religion is about as safe as licking a nuclear bomb in winter.

Yeah I think I also get what they were trying to do, but the problem is that Mass Effect to me was never about higher-level philosophical arguments.  It was always about "uniting together to overcome impossible odds" and to a lesser extent "organics vs synthetics."  But they tried to stick the ending of The Matrix on Star Trek.  So it's depressing to me that my ideas of what the Mass Effect trilogy mean do not match Bioware's end vision at all.

[acidqueen5426]

VintageUtti wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

On the artistic aspect, I think I can see what they were TRYING to do (I think). To me, it seems like they're trying to mess with your mind, with the Catalyst and all, exploring the perception vs. reality, true nature of good and evil, and deeper philosophical points like that. However, the execution is the lacking bit. They could have fleshed this out really nicely (think the plot of the first Matrix, which Walters had cited on his planning sheet) but they missed the home run. It still would've felt out of place, but if it was done to a higher level of understanding, it would be a bit more acceptable.
Or maybe it's midnight and reading Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all in a timespan of four days has fried my tiny little brain and I'm overthinking things again.

I think they also played the Genesis card with Synthesis, but mentioning religion is about as safe as licking a nuclear bomb in winter.

Yeah I think I also get what they were trying to do, but the problem is that Mass Effect to me was never about higher-level philosophical arguments.  It was always about "uniting together to overcome impossible odds" and to a lesser extent "organics vs synthetics."  But they tried to stick the ending of The Matrix on Star Trek.  So it's depressing to me that my ideas of what the Mass Effect trilogy mean do not match Bioware's end vision at all.

And if you think of what Drew Karpyshyn's original outline is supposed to have suggested, then the Reapers are an attempt by a long-dead civilization to solve the problem of Dark Energy, which is threatening to destroy the galaxy (and which was hinted at in ME2). The human-reaper larva in ME2 was supposed to be their last stab at it, because humanity's genetic diversity was supposed to be what they were trying to aim for--harvest the race that they indirectly directed the evolution of, and save the galaxy for future civilizations. Then Shepard is faced with a final choice: condemn all of humanity to being melted down into the Super-Reaper (remember Sovereign's "Each of us is a nation" comment in ME1) that will solve the problem sooner rather than later, or tell the Reapers to shove off and hope that the combined intelligences of all the spacefaring races will be able to figure the problem out in the centuries that are left before Entropy takes over and everything literally falls apart.

That is a far better and more fitting ending, IMO, and makes a hell of a lot more damn sense than "Well, we're here to turn all you organics into synthetics so that you don't get killed by synthetics."  Too bad Casey and Mac apparently decided to turf the original outline in favour of the freaktacular starchild. :/

[MissLiya]

acidqueen5426 wrote...

VintageUtti wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

On the artistic aspect, I think I can see what they were TRYING to do (I think). To me, it seems like they're trying to mess with your mind, with the Catalyst and all, exploring the perception vs. reality, true nature of good and evil, and deeper philosophical points like that. However, the execution is the lacking bit. They could have fleshed this out really nicely (think the plot of the first Matrix, which Walters had cited on his planning sheet) but they missed the home run. It still would've felt out of place, but if it was done to a higher level of understanding, it would be a bit more acceptable.
Or maybe it's midnight and reading Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all in a timespan of four days has fried my tiny little brain and I'm overthinking things again.

I think they also played the Genesis card with Synthesis, but mentioning religion is about as safe as licking a nuclear bomb in winter.

Yeah I think I also get what they were trying to do, but the problem is that Mass Effect to me was never about higher-level philosophical arguments.  It was always about "uniting together to overcome impossible odds" and to a lesser extent "organics vs synthetics."  But they tried to stick the ending of The Matrix on Star Trek.  So it's depressing to me that my ideas of what the Mass Effect trilogy mean do not match Bioware's end vision at all.

And if you think of what Drew Karpyshyn's original outline is supposed to have suggested, then the Reapers are an attempt by a long-dead civilization to solve the problem of Dark Energy, which is threatening to destroy the galaxy (and which was hinted at in ME2). The human-reaper larva in ME2 was supposed to be their last stab at it, because humanity's genetic diversity was supposed to be what they were trying to aim for--harvest the race that they indirectly directed the evolution of, and save the galaxy for future civilizations. Then Shepard is faced with a final choice: condemn all of humanity to being melted down into the Super-Reaper (remember Sovereign's "Each of us is a nation" comment in ME1) that will solve the problem sooner rather than later, or tell the Reapers to shove off and hope that the combined intelligences of all the spacefaring races will be able to figure the problem out in the centuries that are left before Entropy takes over and everything literally falls apart.

That is a far better and more fitting ending, IMO, and makes a hell of a lot more damn sense than "Well, we're here to turn all you organics into synthetics so that you don't get killed by synthetics."  Too bad Casey and Mac apparently decided to turf the original outline in favour of the freaktacular starchild. :/

I`m agree, but Drew disproved this ending on his twitter account. 

[shepskisaac]

Hope that EC will give us a chance for the reunion. Even a slide like this at the end would be totally enough for me:

by glowsinthedark9: http://glowsinthedar...lass-assignment

[Major Alenko]

Love that picture, yeah the ending is terrible, and plot holes ect but if Shepard can be with Kaidan again and the rest of the squad, that will do for me.

[acidqueen5426]

MissLiya wrote...

(snippty)

I`m agree, but Drew disproved this ending on his twitter account. 

Dammit!

[acidqueen5426]

RyrineaNara wrote...

acidqueen5426 wrote...

legbamel wrote...

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...
well, after some sleep, i'm going to join the "wait and See" camp. and if Bioware screw it up, i've got my own enddings worked out.
edit: wow, 1600 pages? 

Man, I could watch that spin all night.  I love that armor.  [am playing ME1 right now]

Is that from a mod?  I mean, I love seeing the booty-shakin' Kaidan and all, but for the life of me I can't figure out where the hell that's from. >.<

Me 2 the way you get Morith in and Kill her every time lol. :P

I figured it was ME2, since that's Horizon-Kaidan. I take it it's a gibbed mod?

[JenMaxon]

LadyofRivendell wrote...
So, I've been sorting through old files and documents on my laptop, figured I could delete a few I never use. I found one from last August titled, "Snowball", and it was an empty word document save for the sentence, "And then Miranda rode off into the sunset on a magical flying unicorn."
I really want to know what I was thinking when I wrote that. And what my intentions were in the first place.

Oh I love those - what the hell was I on?

LadyofRivendell wrote...
Also, just curious, what exactly is Casey Hudson's job in Bioware? Everyone's saying he was one of the lead writers, but I thought Bioware's lead writers were Mac Walters and Drew *can'tspellhislastname*?

I *think* he's a producer of ME - maybe not.  I can't remember for sure without seeing the credits and I'm not going there.  Certainly project leader or manager anyway.

EDIT: he's given as 'Project Director' in the credits for ME2.

LadyofRivendell wrote...
I thought that was Dr. Ray *can'tspellhislastnameeither*'s job?
What the heck does a producer even do? I'm so bad at all this lingo.

I think he's a director of Bioware - i.e. more senior to Casey.  Producers (in films anyway) usually control the money but it does vary depending on the project - so they can more involved in management of the project overall.

Modifié par JenMaxon, 06 avril 2012 - 12:16 .

[JenMaxon]

Edit - sorry double post.  Why does this board have such an unuseful reply/quote button arrangement?

Modifié par JenMaxon, 06 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[madlily]

So.. I started a new Mass Effect toon today, from ME1, god I forgot about Kaidan's sexy lip scar... and really really tight body hugging armor *drool*
The game back then was so RPG, heaps of dialogue etc... I still stalk Kaidan at his station every chance I get too hehehe

Just caught up on all the pages... Sorry I missed you Yosh, Isaac, that pic is beautiful!! Some of the tweets from the game devs make me cautiously optimistic and I'm adopting a wait and see approach to it all now.. no point getting my knickers in a twist over something I have no control over nor any ability to change... they'll either bork it or make it wonderful...

[dstrawberrygirl]

Heading out to PAX soon, Mass Effect panel is 4:30pm Eastern US and I'll try to pop in here and post any juicy info or amusing stories. I'll also spam my Twitter stream with photos (again, tech permitting)

[madlily]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Heading out to PAX soon, Mass Effect panel is 4:30pm Eastern US and I'll try to pop in here and post any juicy info or amusing stories. I'll also spam my Twitter stream with photos (again, tech permitting)

*goes to her twitter and adds Strawberry*

[JenMaxon]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Heading out to PAX soon, Mass Effect panel is 4:30pm Eastern US and I'll try to pop in here and post any juicy info or amusing stories. I'll also spam my Twitter stream with photos (again, tech permitting)

I'd be interested to know just how hostile the crowd are.

[acidqueen5426]

madlily wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Heading out to PAX soon, Mass Effect panel is 4:30pm Eastern US and I'll try to pop in here and post any juicy info or amusing stories. I'll also spam my Twitter stream with photos (again, tech permitting)

*goes to her twitter and adds Strawberry*

*does likewise*

[Graceyn]

rpgfan321 wrote...

To the fanfiction writers:

Is there a piece with Thane and Kaidan as the main characters? I mean, wouldn't Thane talk to Kaidan about Shepard and what happened in ME2? Also with Thane dying :' ( wouldn't he ask Kaidan to take care of Shepard?

I've been lurking around ff.net for a while, and haven't seen such a story (or maybe I've missed it). But I thought that could be an interesting scenario to think about.

Even though the ending left a bitter after taste in minds of many gamers, I see fanfiction writing to explore other smaller plots that the writers of the game itself have overlooked. I'm really enjoying some of the fanfictions (I only look at Shenko; can't help myself.... ). I think it's a great space to establish scenarios for our favorite characters that can't be done in the final product due to restraints in resources.

And I want to thank the fanfiction writers on the Kaidan forum for posting Shenko stories. Romance is the right mood for spring, and I'm feeling it. I see flowers blooming everywhere outside!

Not an entire story, but I do plan to have Thane and Kaidan talk a good amount in "If It Meant Living."  How much of that will be presented "live" and how much in the form of Kaidan telling Shepard about it later, I'm not sure yet - but I will make sure and point it out when I publish it!

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Also, just curious, what exactly is Casey Hudson's job in Bioware? Everyone's saying he was one of the lead writers, but I thought Bioware's lead writers were Mac Walters and Drew *can'tspellhislastname*?

Casey Hudson is the Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series, which means he is "in charge" of the games - though he does have bosses to answer to (see below).  I believe he, perhaps along with Drew and a few others, came up with the original idea of the Mass Effect games, and thus has been "responsible" for them from the beginning.

[EDIT:  Many people are saying that the ending sequence of ME3 was written solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson in a "locked" room, with no input from others.  While Mac Walters is the lead writer for ME3, Casey would have been in charge of shaping all major plot points (though he probably doesn't write dialog), and this scenario seems entirely possible.]

[EDIT #2:  Drew K! was heavily involved in the creation of the ME universe and lore, was lead writer of ME1, and initially lead writer of ME2 - he is listed as "co-lead writer" with Mac because he left in the middle of ME2 to join the SWTOR team.]

Dr. Ray is one of two co-founders of Bioware.  Before they were acquired by EA, he was the CEO, "A-Number One-Dude in Charge of it All".  He still carries the title of CEO of the Bioware subsidiary, as well as a Senior VP of EA.  He was obviously a major force behind Bioware's early titles, but I don't know that he has had that much to do with Mass Effect other than approving it for Casey Hudson's team to develop and, I'm sure, providing guidance and probably approving really major decisions.

Modifié par Graceyn, 06 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[luricanson]

Added as well!

[Bellendaine]

IsaacShep wrote...

Hope that EC will give us a chance for the reunion. Even a slide like this at the end would be totally enough for me:

by glowsinthedark9: http://glowsinthedar...lass-assignment

Love that, Isaac ... adorable, and a little heart-breaking ...

[alschemid]

I have found this link on another thread... it is an Unofficial Mass Effect 3 Epilogue. Finally my game has an end.
http://shannon.users...net/masseffect/

Modifié par alschemid, 06 avril 2012 - 02:06 .

[Graceyn]

alschemid wrote...

I have found this link on another thread... it is an Unofficial Mass Effect 3 Epilogue. Finally my game has an end.
http://shannon.users...net/masseffect/

Yeah, this is really quite wonderful .

[shepskisaac]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Heading out to PAX soon, Mass Effect panel is 4:30pm Eastern US and I'll try to pop in here and post any juicy info or amusing stories. I'll also spam my Twitter stream with photos (again, tech permitting)

Woohoo!  *stalks your Twitter* Keep an eye on anything ending&Kaidan strawberry!

[acidqueen5426]

It will be interesting to see, since BW has stated clearly that they won't even bother discussing the ending at the panel--of course, after yesterday's patronizing announcement, they pretty much guaranteed that that's all that'll be discussed.

Just wish it was being streamed. :/

[ZehnWaters]

I just realized something. Weren't we promised to have the Keepers explained more? I never saw anything on them in the game.

[Aoibheann]

Lilaeth wrote...

MissLiya wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

MissLiya wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...
Also, just curious, what exactly is Casey Hudson's job in Bioware? Everyone's saying he was one of the lead writers, but I thought Bioware's lead writers were Mac Walters and Drew *can'tspellhislastname*?

he is a producer... main one... so he is controling everything. 

I thought that was Dr. Ray *can'tspellhislastnameeither*'s job?
What the heck does a producer even do? I'm so bad at all this lingo.

Edit.. he is a producer of ME franchise.
I guess he is involved in everything and making all main decisions. 

Whatever it is he's supposed to do, he just comes over as a bit of an arse, tbh.

I'm playing catch up, but just wanted to say that he's the one who axed Anderson's final dialog with shep at the end and a bunch of other dialog and it was his decision that we, the fans, didn't need or deserve any explanations or closure to anything in the end.

[shepskisaac]

Producer in games is essentially the equivalent of a director in movies. Casey approves most artistic decisions and lead the vision of the entire project, but also manages the team, keeps it on schedule, helps when problems arise etc. Ray Muzyka really doesn't have much to do with actual developement of ME games. He and Greg manage the entire studio (now division of EA) and yes, they will make major decisions like project approvals etc. but they don't really influence story details.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 06 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[Aoibheann]

Is anyone else getting the Mass Effect 3 server is down message?