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[MissLiya]

I`m...so...pissed.

[RyrineaNara]

Yes, I redid the plot a little to fit with some of the story lines that they cut. In one of them, I had Kaidan boticly lift Undia during the Cope and slam him in to the wall. I was so satisfied with my Shepard shooting Undia instead of Kaidan's seance. So, I also had him go all angry on Undia because he shot Shepard in front of him to signal Ranha Also, I made it were Shepard is a reprogrammed person from the race that made the Reapers and the Alliance knew it. I just had a feeling they were going that way with the plot with the Kasumi mission's objective  was so disappotied my theroy was proven wrong.... That would have been such a better twist than the star brat

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 09 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[MissLiya]

 @madlily I will never get tired of staring at this face 

[madlily]

MissLiya wrote...

 @madlily I will never get tired of staring at this face 

haha its why I figured he deserved a ToP 

[Aoibheann]

LolaLei wrote...

I just wanted to post this video of a fan ending someone made, unfortunately it's a Liara romance one but it's so well done it's worth a look:



Just replace Liara and imagine it's Kaidan and I would have been quite happy with that because you could stop it right after Shepards pulled from the rubble for the "happy" ending or add the last part for the bittersweet sad ending.

Yay...finally back on the boards after internet problems all weekend. 

I totally think we or someone should spam or at least post thing several times to the 'offical' endings thread(s)... something like this would be amazing (with the different LI's of course). I bet it'd be too "changing' for them but at least it's more clarifying lol...and way better than the crap they put out....

(back to playing catch up)

[Graceyn]

MissLiya wrote...

Fam, did you read this?
Mass Effect 3 Writer Accuse Casey Hudson Of Going It Alone, Bioware Stays Silent.

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/

Chris Priestly says that Weekes denied writing that post, and the official line is that Weekes didn't write it, and, well, Weekes didn't get fired (in fact he was a big Bioware presence at PAX this weekend). 

That being said, the evidence is fairly strong that he in fact DID write it, and at PAX I believe he had some difficulty hiding the fact that he wasn't happy with the ending.

[EDIT:  The article doesn't make this clear (it seems almost like an interview with Weekes), but the statements were made in a post on the Penny Arcade forums a few weeks ago that was deleted after being up for about an hour.]

Modifié par Graceyn, 09 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[Aoibheann]

noxpanda wrote...

I think the citadel coup options are based off of;
romanced in me1, cheated in 2 and then lied (no apologies)
saved the collector base
no visiting and gift in hospital

If you did this lot i dont think you get an option and the VS will be killed by shep or a squaddie. Though i wouldnt be surprised if reputation checks are involved too. If youve done the polar oppostie of all these then the paragon/renegade conversation checks wont even come up, the VS will automatically side with shep.

Though in the leaked script in nov kaidan would kill udina with a biotic attack it read as 'slammed into a wall', real shame they removed that imo, just shooting him seemed a little underwhelming, i thought it wouldve been a good reminder of the rahna situation and kaidan being a damn powerful biotic when he loses his rag

that would have been awesome...bugger stupid bioware. The leaked script got my hopes up on a few things, and i was ready to leave liara in the colapsing building to crawl/save kaidan. (granted i like liara, but not as much as kaidan or garrus.)

[Aoibheann]

MissLiya wrote...

Fam, did you read this?
Mass Effect 3 Writer Accuse Casey Hudson Of Going It Alone, Bioware Stays Silent.

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/

Haven't finished the article yet... but this is what i've been thinking/saying a lot... i knew something was up in the fall and that he couldn't be trusted and lost his mind when he said Deception was a great book etc... 

Someone need to commit him or fix the endings and own up.., course they won't... bugger them

[shepskisaac]

Graceyn wrote...

MissLiya wrote...

Fam, did you read this?
Mass Effect 3 Writer Accuse Casey Hudson Of Going It Alone, Bioware Stays Silent.

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/

Chris Priestly says that Weekes denied writing that post, and the official line is that Weekes didn't write it, and, well, Weekes didn't get fired (in fact he was a big Bioware presence at PAX this weekend). 

That being said, the evidence is fairly strong that he in fact DID write it, and at PAX I believe he had some difficulty hiding the fact that he wasn't happy with the ending.

The best thing to do is taking EVERYTHING with a grain of salt, including what Patrick Weeks says. I don't trust PR or everything Casey says in public statements, but I also don't necessarily buy it as gospel when people start pointing fingers at fellow co-workers, like Patrick did.

[madlily]

Graceyn wrote...

MissLiya wrote...

Fam, did you read this?
Mass Effect 3 Writer Accuse Casey Hudson Of Going It Alone, Bioware Stays Silent.

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/

Chris Priestly says that Weekes denied writing that post, and the official line is that Weekes didn't write it, and, well, Weekes didn't get fired (in fact he was a big Bioware presence at PAX this weekend). 

That being said, the evidence is fairly strong that he in fact DID write it, and at PAX I believe he had some difficulty hiding the fact that he wasn't happy with the ending.

[EDIT:  The article doesn't make this clear (it seems almost like an interview with Weekes), but the statements were made in a post on the Penny Arcade forums a few weeks ago that was deleted after being up for about an hour.]

it has a small ring of truth about it.. from what I was reading from peeps that attended Pax, it seems like whomever is working on the extended cut DLC is going to flesh things out quite a bit... like they are tweeting stuff that makes me think that anyways...

Leaving me hopeful that it will get fixed, not changed but at least fleshed out to a point where we end up with our crew/LI.. I hope.. no changing of the ending necessary, and i'd be super stoked with it

[Ananka]

Well, if the article is true and Weekes said that, it would explain a lot. I'm having a hard time picturing a professional writer putting together an ending with that many plot holes and logical gaps. Even more so when we're talking about a team with several experienced writers. There's just so much that doesn't add up in the endings.

Modifié par Annaka, 09 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[Aoibheann]

Annaka wrote...

Well, if the article is true and Weekes said that, it would explain a lot. I'm having a hard time picturing a professional writer putting together an ending with that many plot holes and logical gaps. Even more so when we're talking about a team with several experienced writers. There's just so much that doesn't add up in the endings.

Hudson isn't  writer, just a producer with godlike powers... to misuse as he see fit

((sorry to rage, i'm just tired of his crap, he's ego got to big and unchecked and look what he...and maybe others did to our beloved series.  I'm also feeling betrayed to because i used to trust him and the co. ))

Modifié par Aoibheann, 09 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[madlily]

LolaLei wrote...

I just wanted to post this video of a fan ending someone made, unfortunately it's a Liara romance one but it's so well done it's worth a look:

www.youtube.com/watch

Just replace Liara and imagine it's Kaidan and I would have been quite happy with that because you could stop it right after Shepards pulled from the rubble for the "happy" ending or add the last part for the bittersweet sad ending.

oh my freaking gawd.. this vid was epic.. even WITH Liara who I hate... wow.. this wouldve been such a boss ending... Y WE NO CAN HAS!!! (with Kaidan ofc lol)

[acidqueen5426]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

I think the citadel coup options are based off of;
romanced in me1, cheated in 2 and then lied (no apologies)
saved the collector base
no visiting and gift in hospital

If you did this lot i dont think you get an option and the VS will be killed by shep or a squaddie. Though i wouldnt be surprised if reputation checks are involved too. If youve done the polar oppostie of all these then the paragon/renegade conversation checks wont even come up, the VS will automatically side with shep.

Though in the leaked script in nov kaidan would kill udina with a biotic attack it read as 'slammed into a wall', real shame they removed that imo, just shooting him seemed a little underwhelming, i thought it wouldve been a good reminder of the rahna situation and kaidan being a damn powerful biotic when he loses his rag

I dunno why they cut the biotic slam from that scene, it would have ramped the drama up a bit and it would have been a clever little nod to ME1 when he talks about killing the Turian when protecting Rahna, plus it would have been nice to see him lose control and kill Udina with biotics out of his love/friendship with Shepard. My Shep wants him to lose control for her dammit!

Tbh that whole scene was a bit anti-climatic for me, I much prefer the leaked script version.

Lol yep ditto here, i was waiting to see a flying udina! When he just shot him i was all , well that wasnt very exciting at all, i much preferred the lift ride up there!

 i now have an image of Udina flying off a ledge screaming "THIS IS AN OUTRAAAAAAAAGGGGGGE!!!!!"

Oh thanks, now I'm having to fight the urge to create an Udina "This is Sparta" meme.

[Ananka]

Aoibheann wrote...

Annaka wrote...

Well, if the article is true and Weekes said that, it would explain a lot. I'm having a hard time picturing a professional writer putting together an ending with that many plot holes and logical gaps. Even more so when we're talking about a team with several experienced writers. There's just so much that doesn't add up in the endings.

Hudson isn't  writer, just a producer with godlike powers... to misuse as he see fit

((sorry to rage, i'm just tired of his crap, he's ego got to big and unchecked and look what he...and maybe others did to our beloved series.  I'm also feeling betrayed to because i used to trust him and the co. ))

Sorry if I was unclear. That's what I meant: if the endings were something that was written by the entire team of writers there shouldn't be so many plot holes. If they're written (or put together) by Casey, who doesn't really (as far as I know) have any experience in writing then it makes more sense that there are plot holes (which the writers would have spotted).

But I don't really want to blame any individual. I don't know much about game development, but I find it unlikely that Casey was the only one with influence who watched the endings. At the very least he must have had some superiors who gave their input or at least approved of them. In the end the failed endings are Bioware's responsibility (as a company).

Modifié par Annaka, 09 avril 2012 - 02:06 .

[LolaLei]

madlily wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I just wanted to post this video of a fan ending someone made, unfortunately it's a Liara romance one but it's so well done it's worth a look:

www.youtube.com/watch

Just replace Liara and imagine it's Kaidan and I would have been quite happy with that because you could stop it right after Shepards pulled from the rubble for the "happy" ending or add the last part for the bittersweet sad ending.

oh my freaking gawd.. this vid was epic.. even WITH Liara who I hate... wow.. this wouldve been such a boss ending... Y WE NO CAN HAS!!! (with Kaidan ofc lol)

It's amazing what a fan can come up with using just what was in game and a couple of random clips. More to the point if someone can make something so beautiful and poignant out of the ****** poor endings we were given then Bioware could easily rectify things.

[frylock23]

Aoibheann wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

I think the citadel coup options are based off of;
romanced in me1, cheated in 2 and then lied (no apologies)
saved the collector base
no visiting and gift in hospital

If you did this lot i dont think you get an option and the VS will be killed by shep or a squaddie. Though i wouldnt be surprised if reputation checks are involved too. If youve done the polar oppostie of all these then the paragon/renegade conversation checks wont even come up, the VS will automatically side with shep.

Though in the leaked script in nov kaidan would kill udina with a biotic attack it read as 'slammed into a wall', real shame they removed that imo, just shooting him seemed a little underwhelming, i thought it wouldve been a good reminder of the rahna situation and kaidan being a damn powerful biotic when he loses his rag

that would have been awesome...bugger stupid bioware. The leaked script got my hopes up on a few things, and i was ready to leave liara in the colapsing building to crawl/save kaidan. (granted i like liara, but not as much as kaidan or garrus.)

I think the biotic attack thing should only have happened if we're talking about a romanced Kaidan. Then it really would have been a nod to what we learned in ME1. It would have made the convo when he asks to come back on the Normandy have a different level of meaning.

And yes, the idea of Udina screaming "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" as he goes flying off the ledge makes me grin.

[xenacrocker]

OMG that fan liara ending was wonderful. It just goes to show you how off Bioware/EA was. I would have LOVED that ending.

Modifié par xenacrocker, 09 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[xenacrocker]

frylock23 wrote...

Aoibheann wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

I think the citadel coup options are based off of;
romanced in me1, cheated in 2 and then lied (no apologies)
saved the collector base
no visiting and gift in hospital

If you did this lot i dont think you get an option and the VS will be killed by shep or a squaddie. Though i wouldnt be surprised if reputation checks are involved too. If youve done the polar oppostie of all these then the paragon/renegade conversation checks wont even come up, the VS will automatically side with shep.

Though in the leaked script in nov kaidan would kill udina with a biotic attack it read as 'slammed into a wall', real shame they removed that imo, just shooting him seemed a little underwhelming, i thought it wouldve been a good reminder of the rahna situation and kaidan being a damn powerful biotic when he loses his rag

that would have been awesome...bugger stupid bioware. The leaked script got my hopes up on a few things, and i was ready to leave liara in the colapsing building to crawl/save kaidan. (granted i like liara, but not as much as kaidan or garrus.)

I think the biotic attack thing should only have happened if we're talking about a romanced Kaidan. Then it really would have been a nod to what we learned in ME1. It would have made the convo when he asks to come back on the Normandy have a different level of meaning.

And yes, the idea of Udina screaming "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" as he goes flying off the ledge makes me grin.

So does Bioware alter things if scripts get leaked?  if so that would be a sad evolution in the script writting.  Or do you think they intentionally leak to see fan reaction?

[frylock23]

rpgfan321 wrote...

The only way to be in a situation where the VS is killed is NOT to choose the paragon/renegade persuade options. (the dialogue on the right side of the wheel)

How the coup can end have different variations depending on:
1) If you visited them in the hospital
2) Whether or not you saved the previous council
3) and obviously if you choose the persuade dialogues or regular one as the event unfolds.

It's easier to gain the VS's trust if you talked to them before the coup and saved the previous council because they turn on Udina in a second.

But if you didn't save the previous council, things get really dicey if you don't keep choosing the persuade options.

And I wouldn't kill Kaidan or Ashley off because if you do ... then that Shepard is quite the backstabber.

I don't rememer having much trouble saving Kaidan in mt canon playthrough, but I took him the whiskey and was always nice to him in the hospital. I was also faithful to him all the way through.

On the other hand, I did kill the council in ME1 out of practicality more than anything.

But, I don't remember having to pick red/blue options. I just took the renegade interrupt to shoot Udina ... game over. Everyone wins.

[Aoibheann]

Annaka wrote...

Aoibheann wrote...

Annaka wrote...

Well, if the article is true and Weekes said that, it would explain a lot. I'm having a hard time picturing a professional writer putting together an ending with that many plot holes and logical gaps. Even more so when we're talking about a team with several experienced writers. There's just so much that doesn't add up in the endings.

Hudson isn't  writer, just a producer with godlike powers... to misuse as he see fit

((sorry to rage, i'm just tired of his crap, he's ego got to big and unchecked and look what he...and maybe others did to our beloved series.  I'm also feeling betrayed to because i used to trust him and the co. ))

Sorry if I was unclear. That's what I meant: if the endings were something that was written by the entire team of writers there shouldn't be so many plot holes. If they're written (or put together) by Casey, who doesn't really (as far as I know) have any experience in writing then it makes more sense that there are plot holes (which the writers would have spotted).

But I don't really want to blame any individual. I don't know much about game development, but I find it unlikely that Casey was the only one with influence who watched the endings. At the very least he must have had some superiors who gave their input or at least approved of them. In the end the failed endings are Bioware's responsibility (as a company).

No worries, it is Monday morning here and the weekend wasn't the best. Hudson probably did have too much influence ( if not all) over the endings and the plotholes would be 100% explain.. Hudson also failed to catch the world-killing-meteor sized plotholes in the last book and thought it was pure gold.

As much as I might not seem, i don't want to blame one person, but with what we have so far... i don't know. There should have been fail safes..but not were used and no one above him bothered to check on something so important and peer review sould never been taken out or for granted.

[Aoibheann]

xenacrocker wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Aoibheann wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

I think the citadel coup options are based off of;
romanced in me1, cheated in 2 and then lied (no apologies)
saved the collector base
no visiting and gift in hospital

If you did this lot i dont think you get an option and the VS will be killed by shep or a squaddie. Though i wouldnt be surprised if reputation checks are involved too. If youve done the polar oppostie of all these then the paragon/renegade conversation checks wont even come up, the VS will automatically side with shep.

Though in the leaked script in nov kaidan would kill udina with a biotic attack it read as 'slammed into a wall', real shame they removed that imo, just shooting him seemed a little underwhelming, i thought it wouldve been a good reminder of the rahna situation and kaidan being a damn powerful biotic when he loses his rag

that would have been awesome...bugger stupid bioware. The leaked script got my hopes up on a few things, and i was ready to leave liara in the colapsing building to crawl/save kaidan. (granted i like liara, but not as much as kaidan or garrus.)

I think the biotic attack thing should only have happened if we're talking about a romanced Kaidan. Then it really would have been a nod to what we learned in ME1. It would have made the convo when he asks to come back on the Normandy have a different level of meaning.

And yes, the idea of Udina screaming "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" as he goes flying off the ledge makes me grin.

So does Bioware alter things if scripts get leaked?  if so that would be a sad evolution in the script writting.  Or do you think they intentionally leak to see fan reaction?

Thinking of Udina screaming makes me chuckle every time i read it....

From what i can tell about the leaked scripts, they many just cut things out entirely (lots of golden moments, dialog) ... and i'm not sure if they added anything new and good...

[shepskisaac]

I killed the council and saved the Collector Base and I didn't even have to take any Charm/Intimidate option to convince Kaidan, he said "I better not regret this" (which means he trusts you and takes your side) almost immediately

[frylock23]

MissLiya wrote...

So Casey Hudson wrote ending all alone?
"Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he’s not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending."
oh well...now I know who I should blame for all my tears.

Except it's not a completely unemotional, intellectual ending ending. Unemotional, maybe, but intellectual ... NO.

Intellectual implies there was some kind of thought process behind, and I detect none. With this many serious plot holes and flaws in logic ... well, there isn't much intellectual in it.

I'm a fairly emotionless, logical and intellectual person myself, and this ending should have appealed to me if that's what Hudson was going for.

[frylock23]

On another note, does anyone remember Udina ever screaming his catchphrase at all in ME3?