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[frylock23]

maia0407 wrote...


I found out that Kaidan, and not some new/other characther that I wasn't going to romance, could be a male romance option. Suddenly, I wasn't so comfortable; for the first time, these ideals that had been abstract for me were being put to the test with a character I cared deeply about. I was upset that Kaidan could romance a male Shep. It didn't matter that this didn't happen in my game; it bothered me that it was even an option. It changed my view of him, but why? I began asking myself what the problem was. I wondered why I quickly scrolled past romance pics of male Shep and Kaidan and skipped posts discussing the same. Intellectually I knew that I was being riduculous and a bigot, but my emotions were not keeping pace with my head. Cognitive dissonance here I come. Why do I care so much that this option is even there?

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I wouldn't be apologetic, nor would I call myself a bigot for having this feeling. I went through a moment of it myself.

You are like a lot of us here - very attached to the Major. Imagine how you would feel if you came home to find out that your husband or significant other were to suddenly announce to you that he was now interested in other men ... Yeah, I wouldn't be cool with it. I'm not all that cool with my husband being interested in other women. I know he finds other women attractive or ugly, etc., but it's not the same thing as suddenly announcing, "Hey, hon, I'm really into this chick at work and I think I'd like to discuss having an open marriage so I can explore this new attraction." Yeah, not liking that or being uncomfortable with it wouldn't make me a bigot anymore than not liking it if he came home and announced the same thing only he wanted to get it on with one of his male coworkers.

Chalk it up to a certain possessiveness. BioWare has done a good job of getting you emotionally invested in the character. Now, the trick is to realize that and move past it. Once you do, you see how silly it is.

[acidqueen5426]

legbamel wrote...

I was talking about the end of the Mars mission with my husband and I've decided that BioWare simply cannot bring themselves to add biotics to a cut scene. In every case where Kaidan or Liara ends up threatened by a big baddie they flail about helplessly, pew-pew-pewing with a pistol when their natural reaction should have been to hammer down the blue stuff. Ever time that woman grabs his face and slams him against the shuttle I'm yelling, "Hello?! L2 implant, anyone?!"

I presume they do this because it could be a different crew member that has no biotics (Ash in this case) and because "drama" and "story". Does anyone else find it immersion-breaking or am I just nitpicking at this point?

It's not just you. I can see Dr. Eva getting the drop on Kaidan, but really?  I think that Kaidan has matured enough to the point that he'd have tried SOMETHING after the initial surprise wore off.

ETA: My favorite three characters, presuming Shep doesn't count, are Kaidan, Garrus, and Wrex/Grunt.  (I figure between the two of them they count as a full-time squadmate so I can include both.)  Liara and Miranda live at the bottom of my list, right under Zaeed.

Miranda, ugh. Talk about a character that was put in the game for no reason other than to show gratuitous shots of a globular booty in a painted-on catsuit--if it wasn't for my obsessive need to have everyone live through the suicide mission in ME2, I'd have let her die on the Collector base.

Liara, I could deal with--though her Shepard-crush is rather creeptacular.

Zaeed, though...he kinda grew on me after a while. I mean, despite the whole "let the fuel plant workers all die so I can get my revenge" thing. Could be the ink, could be the "don't give a damn, just let me get the job done" attitude, could even be my having married a man 17 years my senior, I dunno. But I rather like him.

Liara is in my bottom three though, along with Miranda and Jacob--though my issue with Jacob is that he's pretty one-dimensional and, frankly, uninteresting. If the writers had actually done more with him than make him seem like a token minority, I'd pry not mind him so much. But really?  He's about as interesting as a wet piece of cardboard...and that's a damn shame.

[Aggie Punbot]

mechalynx wrote...

I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

[frylock23]

acidqueen5426 wrote...

ETA: My favorite three characters, presuming Shep doesn't count, are Kaidan, Garrus, and Wrex/Grunt.  (I figure between the two of them they count as a full-time squadmate so I can include both.)  Liara and Miranda live at the bottom of my list, right under Zaeed.

Miranda, ugh. Talk about a character that was put in the game for no reason other than to show gratuitous shots of a globular booty in a painted-on catsuit--if it wasn't for my obsessive need to have everyone live through the suicide mission in ME2, I'd have let her die on the Collector base.

I agree about Miranda's appearance, but I still like her despite her superior factor and annoying attitude. She can handle herself in a fight and gets the job done.

My perfect ship loadout would be Kaidan, James, Thane, Samara, Miranda, Garrus, and EDI (of all people).

[Anacruisis]

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

ultimate facepalm
heck I already know Titanic is real since I was 5 years old kid <_<

[JenMaxon]

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...
I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

My eyes have rolled up so far right now that if my head were transparent I would be able to see behind me.

Modifié par JenMaxon, 10 avril 2012 - 02:45 .

[LadyofRivendell]

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

I sat here making hand motions for about 30 seconds, trying to figure out what to say.
Are you..
You can't...
What?!

[Pax of Doom]

JenMaxon wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...
I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

My eyes have rolled up so far right now that if my head were transparent I would be able to see behind me.

That must be people trolling.  Otherwise...sheesh.  That level of stupidity should physically hurt.

[frylock23]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

I sat here making hand motions for about 30 seconds, trying to figure out what to say.
Are you..
You can't...
What?!

Good grief! I went through a fascination period with the Titanic disaster when I was in third grade or so. I read everything about it I could get my hands on. What's wrong with kids these days? Don't they have any curiousity, or is it that they're only curious about things like who Snooki slept with last night on Jersey Shore?

[Satanicponies]

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

As a history major and future history teacher. I weep. I weep.

Modifié par Satanicponies, 10 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[legbamel]

acidqueen5426 wrote...
[snip]

legbamel wrote...
ETA: My favorite three characters, presuming Shep doesn't count, are Kaidan, Garrus, and Wrex/Grunt.  (I figure between the two of them they count as a full-time squadmate so I can include both.)  Liara and Miranda live at the bottom of my list, right under Zaeed.

Miranda, ugh. Talk about a character that was put in the game for no reason other than to show gratuitous shots of a globular booty in a painted-on catsuit--if it wasn't for my obsessive need to have everyone live through the suicide mission in ME2, I'd have let her die on the Collector base.

Liara, I could deal with--though her Shepard-crush is rather creeptacular.

Zaeed, though...he kinda grew on me after a while. I mean, despite the whole "let the fuel plant workers all die so I can get my revenge" thing. Could be the ink, could be the "don't give a damn, just let me get the job done" attitude, could even be my having married a man 17 years my senior, I dunno. But I rather like him.

Liara is in my bottom three though, along with Miranda and Jacob--though my issue with Jacob is that he's pretty one-dimensional and, frankly, uninteresting. If the writers had actually done more with him than make him seem like a token minority, I'd pry not mind him so much. But really?  He's about as interesting as a wet piece of cardboard...and that's a damn shame.

Liara creeps me out and Miranda makes me want to throw her out an airlock, even without gratuitous ass-shots.  "I can't help it if I'm perfect.  Help me manipulate my sister's life just like my father manipulated mine!"  Perfect this, you superior little ****!  [deep breath]

But Zaeed starts with pistol-whipping an unarmed man who committed I don't know what offense when you first meet him and THEN sets on fire a fuel factory filled with innocent workers.  Plus all of his stories end with "and I was the only one that survivied".  I don't want him on my team.  Hell, I don't even want him on my ship!  

I actually like Jacob better in ME3 than ME2, but then I never thought about him much to begin with, bland thing that he was.

Kaidan, on the other hand [struggles to bring this back on-topic] can be on my ship any time. 

Modifié par legbamel, 10 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[Sialater]

Pax of Doom wrote...

JenMaxon wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

mechalynx wrote...
I feel it's odd that people get up in arms about the Retake movement, when retards such as these continue to prowl unrestrained. It also makes me despair of today's education.

Here's something else that should make you despair.

My eyes have rolled up so far right now that if my head were transparent I would be able to see behind me.

That must be people trolling.  Otherwise...sheesh.  That level of stupidity should physically hurt.

Yeah, that has to be trolling.  That's unbelievably stupid, otherwise.

[outmane]

frylock23 wrote...

As for the Gay/Bi thing, I'll admit, it bothered me a ton at first in DA2. But as I kept playing, I realized I was just being a selfish idiot who wanted LIs to be one gender only. It's not a character changing deal, I love how they handled it. Anders won't make any mentions of being gay if you're female, or straight if you're male. Isabela establishes that she'll sleep with anything that moves (but I still love her). Fenris makes no mentions, and neither does Merril.
Likewise, Kaidan never gives the impression of being bi if you're female, and makes his interests clear if you're male. The romances have different lines, animations, and stuff, and I think they handled it very nicely. Even if the subject isn't something I'm completely comfortable thinking/talking about, I have no problems with it being there, all these people making an uproar are just stupid.

My only problem with the way they did it in DA2 is that it encourages laziness on the part of the writers. It's much easier not to give a character like Fenris depth in order to make him play to both genders as believably straight or believably gay than it is to write two separate dialogues that flag depending on the gender of the PC (an approach I would be fine with if they decided that was what they were going to do; of course, if they did that, it's still writing two characters in practice). However, and let's be honest, does anyone think that BioWare/EA is going to reliably take the resources heavy approach when it comes to the future?

Arguably they skimped on their production of ME3 and look what that's gotten them. I like the Cortez and Traynor characters, but they are definitely swinging one way. Kaidan is fine because he's bi and therefore there is no conflict with the Rhana story from his past no matter how you play him.

The part that bothered me the most about DA2's characters is that they grew so little over the course of the game. For a game that took 10 years (supposedly), none of the LIs really changed. Fenris still lived in the exact same broken down mansion and never made an effort to make it seem like home or learn how to read? Merrill spent 10 years never developing any kind of life in the elven slum because she was that wrapped up in her mirror?

At least Aveline got to have a life because she wasn't having to satisfy the needs of anyone's PC by waiting for a character to define her.

What bothered me about the romances in ME3 and DA2 was the amount of flirting to handle way more then the sex of the offender. Its hard to play for more then 2 hours without having to shut someone down. Depending what Shepard I play, it isnt necessarly the same characters. In DA2 almost all your friends want a piece of Hawke. In ME3, theres all the crew (your com specialist, your shuttle pilot and even the reporter) on top of the squaddies. Even on my sheploo/kaidan playthrough I was a bit bothered having to tell off the shuttle guy. Why cant I jsut be nice/professional with someone without triggering 'the romance talk'.

When there was a gender-based separation for romances, the total amount was a bit smaller. Now that it isnt there anymore (and I hope its not coming back) Bioware needs to find some new way to handle the romances. Its nice to have plenty choices but  its a bit of immersion breaking for me when people dont realize youre already with someone else. 

[Kia Purity]

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

[Aoibheann]

So i have a question.. did i screw up punching the quarian admiral guy if i wanted peace between the quarians and geth? Domino had a week moment after nearly getting blown up by the dump ass and hauled off lol...save or redo?

As far as top squad members... Kaidan, Thane, Garrus, Mordin,  Kasumi,  Legion, Grunt/Wrex, Tali, Samara, Liara, Ash/Miranda....Jacob last... the others are somewhere in there. Zaeed did grow on me and Javik might be... I'd like Liara more if she wasn't forced on you in every game almost.

Modifié par Aoibheann, 10 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[legbamel]

While it's flattering to have everyone you meet trying to get in your pants, I do agree that it would be nice if setting a relationship flag meant you had to initiate another relationship rather than having the sex- visit every time you try to get to know someone.  I felt like Kaidan was a lot more forward in ME3 than he really had to be.  After a comment and response it didn't have to be so much.  What happened to professionalism?  What happened to grown people talking about being together rather than hints and "are you flirting with me?" [coy, coy, wink, wink]  (Except the "can't stop grinning" thing.  That was sweet.  Yes, I do want it both ways.)

[legbamel]

Aoibheann wrote...
So i have a question.. did i screw up punching the quarian admiral guy if i wanted peace between the quarians and geth? Domino had a week moment after nearly getting blown up by the dump ass and hauled off lol...save or redo?

Save.  It's utterly satisfying and you can still save the rest of the species.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote about the ending.  Worked it out, published it on FF.net, then felt a lot better.

I also took some time to replay ME1 and ME2 before trying to get over ME3.  That helped immensely.

[Ona Demonie]

Aoibheann wrote...

So i have a question.. did i screw up punching the quarian admiral guy if i wanted peace between the quarians and geth? Domino had a week moment after nearly getting blown up by the dump ass and hauled off lol...save or redo?

Nah. As long as you didn't get Tali exiled, solved Tali vs. Legion dispute in ME2 by using the paragon/renegade option, saved Admiral Koris, did Legion's mission in ME3 (tapping into the geth servers), and have high enough Rep points... then you're fine.

[frylock23]

outmane wrote...


What bothered me about the romances in ME3 and DA2 was the amount of flirting to handle way more then the sex of the offender. Its hard to play for more then 2 hours without having to shut someone down. Depending what Shepard I play, it isnt necessarly the same characters. In DA2 almost all your friends want a piece of Hawke. In ME3, theres all the crew (your com specialist, your shuttle pilot and even the reporter) on top of the squaddies. Even on my sheploo/kaidan playthrough I was a bit bothered having to tell off the shuttle guy. Why cant I jsut be nice/professional with someone without triggering 'the romance talk'.

When there was a gender-based separation for romances, the total amount was a bit smaller. Now that it isnt there anymore (and I hope its not coming back) Bioware needs to find some new way to handle the romances. Its nice to have plenty choices but  its a bit of immersion breaking for me when people dont realize youre already with someone else. 

And, it's a lot easier to flirt in a "gender neutral" fashion than it is to write detailed character background.

Now, what I think could work, assuming BioWare would commit the resources to do it, would be for writers to work on characters in teams. One writer works on the straight romance while the other works on the gay romance and then they have to work together to reconcile the two so that some lines can be incommon while others must be recorded separately.

They did this a tiny bit with Anders who mentions Karl to a male PC romance. But I'm talking much more extensive. Basically, if they did Kaidan this way, he's tell a Sheploo about BAaT training but instead of Rhana, there's be a boy. And we femSheps would get the Rhana stuff as usual. Once the two versions of the dialogue are written and reconciled and recorded, then the programmers would have to find a way to flag it based off the gender of the PC so that male PCs would get the male dialogue and female PCs would get the other one.

Of course, this would be the proper way to do their ambisexual character thing, but it's too resource intensive for them to ever actually do it right.

[Ona Demonie]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

Headcanon'd. 

[frylock23]

Aoibheann wrote...

So i have a question.. did i screw up punching the quarian admiral guy if i wanted peace between the quarians and geth? Domino had a week moment after nearly getting blown up by the dump ass and hauled off lol...save or redo?

Nope, Jade punched Gerrel in the nads, thoroughly enjoyed it, and still saved both.

[catgirl789]

lady winde wrote...


http://ladywinde.dev...iotic-295166982

I come bearing an offering to the Alenko shrine.

Your offer is deemed more than worthy. *swoons* Please leave it by the tastefully placed candles.

[Aoibheann]

Cool and yay, thanks all... it was very satisfying *grins devilishly*

[shepskisaac]

Was this posted already?  cghub.com/images/view/217411/ Bioware dev posted modeling stuff he did in ME3, including Kaidan's armors:







Great source for reference for fanart! BIG HQ version in the link: cghub.com/images/view/220933/

Haha, perfect timing with TOP 

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 avril 2012 - 03:08 .