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[Sable Rhapsody]

frylock23 wrote...
Of course, this would be the proper way to do their ambisexual character thing, but it's too resource intensive for them to ever actually do it right.

Considering how they didn't even get the heterosexual ME2 romances right OR the ending, I think they have their work cut out for them <_<

[maia0407]

frylock23 wrote...

I wouldn't be apologetic, nor would I call myself a bigot for having this feeling. I went through a moment of it myself.

You are like a lot of us here - very attached to the Major. Imagine how you would feel if you came home to find out that your husband or significant other were to suddenly announce to you that he was now interested in other men ... Yeah, I wouldn't be cool with it. I'm not all that cool with my husband being interested in other women. I know he finds other women attractive or ugly, etc., but it's not the same thing as suddenly announcing, "Hey, hon, I'm really into this chick at work and I think I'd like to discuss having an open marriage so I can explore this new attraction." Yeah, not liking that or being uncomfortable with it wouldn't make me a bigot anymore than not liking it if he came home and announced the same thing only he wanted to get it on with one of his male coworkers.

Chalk it up to a certain possessiveness. BioWare has done a good job of getting you emotionally invested in the character. Now, the trick is to realize that and move past it. Once you do, you see how silly it is.

I'm not so sure in my case that it is a case of possessiveness. Although, I'll admit that when I see pics of Kaidan with another female Shep, I'm all 'what's he doing with another woman'? But, I'm able to laugh that off much easier than the bi issue. And, the fact that it bothers me, bothers me. I guess the essential issue I'm trying to get at is why does a person being bi suddenly change my feelings for who that person is? 

Like you, I'm not cool with my husband cheating with another woman. I realize that he finds other women attractive and that doesn't bother me; it's his actions that count. But, let's say he suddenly realized he was bi, something he had repressed about himself until now, and told me. Why should it bother me that he is attracted to men and women? What about him has really changed except the fact the he's attracted to more people?  As long as he doesn't act on either attraction, what's it to me? He's still the same person that I loved before. That's the issue I'm having with myself. I feel that my capacity to love should be about the qualities that matter, not whether he's attracted to women and men. So, that's where I'm at. As another person said, my inner homophobe has been revealed and I want to be rid of it.

Modifié par maia0407, 10 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[legbamel]

Kia Purity wrote...
Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote extensive analyses on what I thought was wrong with it, the implications of each choice, what might happen to the forces left in the Sol system (presuming the Citadel didn't burn down through the atmosphere and destroy Earth entirely), and generally looked at it as a writing exercise: Find the Plot Holes 101.  By the time I'd hammered out a few thousand words I'd decided that I'd given enough time to what really is a tiny portion of a series that I love.  I'm not going to let them take the rest away from me over their own stupidity. 

[LadyofRivendell]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

Well, the first week was the worst. Cried for nine hours straight after beating the game. Couldn't eat for three days, couldn't sleep for five. Didn't really have the motivation to do anything except drag myself through classes, then wallow in depression on my bed in front of my laptop. Did a good bit of listening to music, mostly my favorite Shenko song, some of the ME3 soundtrack, and, yes, a decent bit of Celine Dion as well. Maybe a bit of Bryan Adams here and there.
It was about a week and a half afterwards that I wrote my first fanfic, and after that, they just kept coming. The first was the hardest to convince myself to do, but now I've got three fics in progress and a list of 20+ prompt ideas in the waiting. 
In between the writing, I've been reading a lot of fics as well. Mostly the happier ones I can find, a lot of oneshots. These two in particular (Living and Nowhere to go but Forward) I've found to be really entertaining. And, of course, Sesheta's r/s are always uplifting 

[Kyria Nyriese]

legbamel wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...
Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote extensive analyses on what I thought was wrong with it, the implications of each choice, what might happen to the forces left in the Sol system (presuming the Citadel didn't burn down through the atmosphere and destroy Earth entirely), and generally looked at it as a writing exercise: Find the Plot Holes 101.  By the time I'd hammered out a few thousand words I'd decided that I'd given enough time to what really is a tiny portion of a series that I love.  I'm not going to let them take the rest away from me over their own stupidity. 

I just sat down and started writing about what I was feeling, and what was wrong with the ending(s) and then after a few days of doing that and posting walls of text to my blog and the Retake thread, I could write again, and could actually play games again.  Now a friend of mine has made a challenge for Skyrim, which I have yet to play so we'll see what happens with that.

[frylock23]

maia0407 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

I wouldn't be apologetic, nor would I call myself a bigot for having this feeling. I went through a moment of it myself.

You are like a lot of us here - very attached to the Major. Imagine how you would feel if you came home to find out that your husband or significant other were to suddenly announce to you that he was now interested in other men ... Yeah, I wouldn't be cool with it. I'm not all that cool with my husband being interested in other women. I know he finds other women attractive or ugly, etc., but it's not the same thing as suddenly announcing, "Hey, hon, I'm really into this chick at work and I think I'd like to discuss having an open marriage so I can explore this new attraction." Yeah, not liking that or being uncomfortable with it wouldn't make me a bigot anymore than not liking it if he came home and announced the same thing only he wanted to get it on with one of his male coworkers.

Chalk it up to a certain possessiveness. BioWare has done a good job of getting you emotionally invested in the character. Now, the trick is to realize that and move past it. Once you do, you see how silly it is.

I'm not so sure in my case that it is a case of possessiveness. Although, I'll admit that when I see pics of Kaidan with another female Shep, I'm all 'what's he doing with another woman'? But, I'm able to laugh that off much easier than the bi issue. And, the fact that it bothers me, bothers me. I guess the essential issue I'm trying to get at is why does a person being bi suddenly change my feelings for who that person is? 

Like you, I'm not cool with my husband cheating with another women. I realize that he finds other women attractive and that doesn't bother me; it's his actions that count. But, let's say he suddenly realized he was bi, something he had repressed about himself until now, and told me. Why should it bother me that he is attracted to men and woman? What about him has really changed except the fact the he's attracted to more people?  As long as he doesn't act on either attraction, what's it to me? He's still the same person that I loved before. That's the issue I'm having with myself. I feel that my capacity to love should be about the qualities that matter, not whether he's attracted to women and men. So, that's where I'm at. As another person said, my inner homophobe has been revealed and I want to be rid of it.

I guess your feelings came from a different source than mine because I don't even always like seeing pics of Kaidan with other femSheps ... then they threw him open to men too, and I was like OMG how many do I have to share him with?!

It's just easier to put my femSheps in the place of other femSheps in fan art ... a bit harder to picture themin the place of manSheps. They just don't have the figure.

Modifié par frylock23, 10 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[catgirl789]

Poll Time: http://social.biowar...10/polls/29789/

It doesn't specifically mention Kaidan but it's relevant to all of us.

[lady winde]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I just imagine what could have happened instead. I listen to Finding Beauty by Craig Armstrong and the feels come full force.

I imagine Shepard is wounded/collapsed in the rubble and everything that was the ending was a vision of sorts. Kaidan finds her, weeps thinking she's dead, his voice hoarse with emotion. A sudden intake of breath makes him snap out of his emotional stupor and he doubles back to camp. And frmo there.... I haven't thought much else than that.

I think what also helps is that I don't take the endings at face value. Whether or not Kaidan and Shep reunite in the new ending or not, they do in my head canon. One way or another.  I hope that helps.

[legbamel]

frylock23 wrote...

maia0407 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...
I wouldn't be apologetic, nor would I call myself a bigot for having this feeling. I went through a moment of it myself.

You are like a lot of us here - very attached to the Major. Imagine how you would feel if you came home to find out that your husband or significant other were to suddenly announce to you that he was now interested in other men ... Yeah, I wouldn't be cool with it. I'm not all that cool with my husband being interested in other women. I know he finds other women attractive or ugly, etc., but it's not the same thing as suddenly announcing, "Hey, hon, I'm really into this chick at work and I think I'd like to discuss having an open marriage so I can explore this new attraction." Yeah, not liking that or being uncomfortable with it wouldn't make me a bigot anymore than not liking it if he came home and announced the same thing only he wanted to get it on with one of his male coworkers.

Chalk it up to a certain possessiveness. BioWare has done a good job of getting you emotionally invested in the character. Now, the trick is to realize that and move past it. Once you do, you see how silly it is.

I'm not so sure in my case that it is a case of possessiveness. Although, I'll admit that when I see pics of Kaidan with another female Shep, I'm all 'what's he doing with another woman'? But, I'm able to laugh that off much easier than the bi issue. And, the fact that it bothers me, bothers me. I guess the essential issue I'm trying to get at is why does a person being bi suddenly change my feelings for who that person is? 

Like you, I'm not cool with my husband cheating with another women. I realize that he finds other women attractive and that doesn't bother me; it's his actions that count. But, let's say he suddenly realized he was bi, something he had repressed about himself until now, and told me. Why should it bother me that he is attracted to men and woman? What about him has really changed except the fact the he's attracted to more people?  As long as he doesn't act on either attraction, what's it to me? He's still the same person that I loved before. That's the issue I'm having with myself. I feel that my capacity to love should be about the qualities that matter, not whether he's attracted to women and men. So, that's where I'm at. As another person said, my inner homophobe has been revealed and I want to be rid of it.

I guess your feelings came from a different source than mine because I don't even always like seeing pics of Kaidan with other femSheps ... then they threw him open to men too, and I was like OMG how many do I have to share him with?!

It's just easier to put my femSheps in the place of other femSheps in fan art ... a bit harder to picture themin the place of manSheps. They just don't have the figure.

You mean I'm not the only one that mentally edits the features/hair of the femSheps in fan art and screen shots?    But I also don't think that posessiveness is the whole answer.  I had an entire Warden head canon with Anders and then along came Hawke of any gender and I was totally fine with that (after I'd stabbed him a couple of time because Damnit, Anders!)  Same with Fenris: as long as it's MY PC, the more the merrier, gender be damned.

But with Kaidan that change (and his new, out-front interest) really bothered me and THAT really bothers me because the parts that make me squee like a little girl in a Hello Kitty store haven't changed. 

[Pax of Doom]

legbamel wrote...
But Zaeed starts with pistol-whipping an unarmed man who committed I don't know what offense when you first meet him and THEN sets on fire a fuel factory filled with innocent workers.  Plus all of his stories end with "and I was the only one that survivied".  I don't want him on my team.  Hell, I don't even want him on my ship!  

It was oddly satisfying doing his loyalty mission after the Collector Base.  You can be a renegade and leave him to die.  Bonus: you save the workers.

[LadyofRivendell]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that point - Crafting a headcanon is a MUST.

Mine started out simple at first: I just wrote off the Normandy scene and had Kaidan find Shep on Earth. But from there, I began nit picking, tweaking, adjusting, until now I've got a headcanon stretching all the way back to Mars. I've pretty much completely re-written the Crucible, London, and everything afterwards. And man, even though I know it's not real, it makes me feel so much better about the entire game.

[acidqueen5426]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote Shenko porn.

>.>
<.<

WHAT?

(Working on something else now, that runs with the "Shepard lives" ending and is more pg-13)

[frylock23]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that point - Crafting a headcanon is a MUST.

Mine started out simple at first: I just wrote off the Normandy scene and had Kaidan find Shep on Earth. But from there, I began nit picking, tweaking, adjusting, until now I've got a headcanon stretching all the way back to Mars. I've pretty much completely re-written the Crucible, London, and everything afterwards. And man, even though I know it's not real, it makes me feel so much better about the entire game.

There's a reason I don't play past the FOB, and head canon is it. In fact, now that I can actually get MY Sheps into the game rather than the facsimile faces, I actually deleted the only full playthrough I had in favor of redowloading my canon Shep and starting again. Boy, Kelly's face never looked so good.

I'm torn between whether or not I play Kelly or Aili next. And, I've decided to keep Jade's new face; she came out better with my tweaks.

Just more Kaidan for all my ladies to love, and maybe by the time I finish these playthroughs, we'll see what the "clarification" is going to be.

Modifié par frylock23, 10 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[sagefic]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

Um, I'm just a lurker on this thread, but I made up a new ending in my head. Now I'm writing fanfic to that end so if the DLC turns out better than what I made up, I can just say 'yay! they ended it so well!' and if it sucks, then i can say 'yay! now i can use my headcanon because i came up with something i like better.'

^ that's sort a pathetic way to get over how badly this game tore me up inside, but it's a way to get over it. 

[legbamel]

acidqueen5426 wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote Shenko porn.

>.>
<.<

WHAT?

(Working on something else now, that runs with the "Shepard lives" ending and is more pg-13)

I might, maybe, sort of have done that, too.  But I've only posted the one...since ME3 came out.  Hell, that's what gets the most attention on my blog. 

[Pax of Doom]

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

Well, I shut the game off at the goodbyes, and watched the endings on youtube.  And that was enough to generate rage.  So, to alleviate despair, I commisserated and debated with others on a not-news site whenever a thread about ME3 comes up.  Even did a wee bit of white knighting for Kaidan when appropriate (i.e. someone mentioned uselessness & Horizon).  

Also did lots of drinking.  Lady Grey, Chai, and Azteca Fire being the poisons of choice.

It still baffles me how BW can be completely ok, and even encourage, headcanoning as acceptable - Speculation for Everyone!  At that point, it takes the control out of BW's hands; we go from having no agency in the ending to taking  complete agency from the creator.  And if you can make a logically sound ending from your headcanon, then that is every bit "real" and "official" as what we were given.  This whole ending debacle reminds me of my first forays into fandom well over a decade ago (there was a group of disenfranchised fans fighting against the questionable death of their favorite character).  So much has changed, yet so little.

[catgirl789]

Pax of Doom wrote...

legbamel wrote...
But Zaeed starts with pistol-whipping an unarmed man who committed I don't know what offense when you first meet him and THEN sets on fire a fuel factory filled with innocent workers.  Plus all of his stories end with "and I was the only one that survivied".  I don't want him on my team.  Hell, I don't even want him on my ship!  

It was oddly satisfying doing his loyalty mission after the Collector Base.  You can be a renegade and leave him to die.  Bonus: you save the workers.

You can save the workers AND gain Zaeed's loyalty, it just takes a fairly high paragon check. I felt it was more satisfying to gain his loyalty through a Shepard-pawnch myself.

[LadyofRivendell]

Ugh, this Garrus/Windex love affair is really distracting me from this Calculus junk.


Random side note, but I was really rooting for Anderson and Kahlee to get together at the end of the game...

[TamiBx]

legbamel wrote...

acidqueen5426 wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote Shenko porn.

>.>
<.<

WHAT?

(Working on something else now, that runs with the "Shepard lives" ending and is more pg-13)

I might, maybe, sort of have done that, too.  But I've only posted the one...since ME3 came out.  Hell, that's what gets the most attention on my blog. 

I might, maybe, sort of want to read all of those!!

Thanks to you guys, I became a Shenko fanfic obsessed girl...

[Anacruisis]

acidqueen5426 wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote Shenko porn.

>.>
<.<

WHAT?

(Working on something else now, that runs with the "Shepard lives" ending and is more pg-13)

ahem link please
for Zaeed's loyalty mission, I always turn the sound off
Yep I assisted Zaeed to wipeout the workers only
to get Vido get turned into VFC (Vido Fried Chicken)
its terrifying to hear the worker screaming while you trt to find Vido:crying:

Modifié par Anacruisis, 10 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[LadyofRivendell]

TamiBx wrote...

legbamel wrote...

acidqueen5426 wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Quick question for the artist/writers in the thread~
What did you do to get over your despair over ME3's ending? I'm still having a lot of trouble motivating myself to draw.

I wrote Shenko porn.

>.>
<.<

WHAT?

(Working on something else now, that runs with the "Shepard lives" ending and is more pg-13)

I might, maybe, sort of have done that, too.  But I've only posted the one...since ME3 came out.  Hell, that's what gets the most attention on my blog. 

I might, maybe, sort of want to read all of those!!

Thanks to you guys, I became a Shenko fanfic obsessed girl...

Welcome to the Shenko fanfic obsession club!  Free cookies and drinks provided, cupcakes on a BYO basis.

[Uirebhiril]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Aoibheann wrote...

So i have a question.. did i screw up punching the quarian admiral guy if i wanted peace between the quarians and geth? Domino had a week moment after nearly getting blown up by the dump ass and hauled off lol...save or redo?

Nah. As long as you didn't get Tali exiled, solved Tali vs. Legion dispute in ME2 by using the paragon/renegade option, saved Admiral Koris, did Legion's mission in ME3 (tapping into the geth servers), and have high enough Rep points... then you're fine.

 Does this matter if you rewrote the geth heretics instead of killing them in ME2? I'd love to let my Shepard have that weak moment without accidentally killing the quarians because of it.

[maia0407]

Pax of Doom wrote...

maia0407 wrote...
snippity

Hi, welcome! 

Wow, an interesting read.  IMO that's another good "use" for video games: to challenge your ideals in a safe, non-confrontational situation.  One can say they're pro or anti whatever, but when faced with it and confronted with it, then you can see your hidden thoughts better, as they're distilled through this world.  You have the opportunity to walk the walk, as it were.  And, most interesting of all, we can all learn from it, as a tool of self-evolution.  So in that sense, game are art, for they challenge us to think critically.  Yeah, that sounds pat and trite, but I really do think it's cool what you said. 

Thanks! I also think it's interesting that art can challenge us in this way. Although, I don't think BW really had these issues in mind when they were crafting the game. It seems to me that Kaidan being bi is more of a bi-product of economy when making the game. After all, putting one character in the role of LI for everyone is easer than crafting more than one character. It really does make sense  as they can spend their time working on the chracterization of that person rather than spending their resources on creating multiple characters for different sexual orientations. 

Regardless of their intentions, it brought up these issues for me and I'm glad that it did. 

[Anacruisis]

I just found out that the witcher 2 is pre-order on Origin
should I get it or not?

[LadyofRivendell]

Anacruisis wrote...

I just found out that the witcher 2 is pre-order on Origin
should I get it or not?

Isn't it already out for PC? Why is it on preorder?