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[catgirl789]

Gaddes wrote...


Wow this thread is amazing!  I wish I had come here sooner!  Just another Kaidan fan to add to the pile...  I do some fanart of him in my spare time.

/snip

LINK    Just sort of a dramatic imagining of Kaidan at his biotic peak protecting Shepard's body from Reapers near the end of the game...  they never really showed off his biotics enough

Glad you could join us and that's a great pic! *passes plate of Kaidan cookies* And since it's Shep's birthday Kaidan even brought some cake! (I should stop spamming this pic but I think it's too cute)

[Dasha Dreyson]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

acidqueen5426 wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Here you go!

I swear, Sbarge could read me the Yellow pages in that voice and I would be a big nerdgasmic puddle of goo on the floor.

Yep, I'm with you there...

Same here.  

[Little Princess Peach]

I think Kaidan would ask Shepard to Marry him on her Birthday

[ZehnWaters]

Last night I read the Game Informer and it had an article about the ending. That specific article was pretty fair (they obviously had their own opinion, but it was fair). Then I read their two reviews (they always present a main review and a shorter alternative review) and that's when things fell apart. Their dismissiveness towards those who disliked the ending was offensive (I don't have the article right now to relay what they said exactly). One even said 'I had all of my questions answered'. Really? Like, 'how did everyone get home after the Mass Relays 'sploded'? So obvious whose pocket they're in.

[yoshibb]

Anacruisis wrote...

MissLiya wrote...

 

 Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut has been designed to offer players more personalised endings that better reflect the choices they made throughout the trilogy.

Speaking at the Mass Effect panel at PAX East (via) Penny Arcade, Bioware producer Mike Gamble said: "To be clear, the Extended Cut is not a re-imagining of the ending or a new ending. We're currently building it right now, our cinematics team is on it. Our writers are heavily involved. It's coming together."

So while it won't change the endings per se, it will expand on them to provide "more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey", as previously promised.

Gamble elaborated a little: "We want to give more closure about some of the questions you have, and in general we wanted to give the players a sense of personalisation with the endings.

"Many people mentioned that some of the choices they made in the game are not necessarily reflected in the ending scenes. We're definitely going to focus on things like that. We want to make sure that when you see the ending of Mass Effect, you now have the information and context to be satisfied."

He added: "It wasn't in the game because we didn't know there was such a huge demand for it, to be honest with you."

...we didn't know there was such a huge demand for it ...

are they kidding, right?

gah the horror
are they being sarcastic or really blind about this?

No, they didn't know there would be a huge demand for it. That's why they made sure to mention the closure, variety and personal appeal of the endings in all their marketing speak before the game. They had no idea people would actually want them to deliver on that <_<

I still don't know how they're gonna do it. How do you explain the Normandy scene? My personal feeling is the more they go into it, the more they realize how messed up this really is. It is my belief that Walters wanted to nuke the universe.

He lets things slip before release like the galaxy will be a wasteland so there can't be DLC. Also saying about the Citadel, "A few manage to get out but for most, bad times". Then he decides to put EDI and Joker together on an island to complete his whole galaxy is reborn theme. 

That said, I honestly don't think they have the resources to do a whole new set of endings so this is what they are trying to do. Problem is I think they will quickly realize a few cinematics and a couple epilogue slides cannot fix this. 

There is no way to explain the Normandy scene. It is impossible. They need to take it out.

[mllrthyme]

Ainyan42 wrote...

Here you go!

That has to be one of the sexiest things I've ever heard.  I think my head just exploded, which is bad, because now i'll have to clean that mess off my desk.  Oh Kaidan, if only you could be mass produced....

[dstrawberrygirl]

Gaddes wrote...


Wow this thread is amazing!  I wish I had come here sooner!  Just another Kaidan fan to add to the pile...  I do some fanart of him in my spare time.



LINK    Just sort of a dramatic imagining of Kaidan at his biotic peak protecting Shepard's body from Reapers near the end of the game...  they never really showed off his biotics enough

I love this picture!! And welcome

[frylock23]

yoshibb wrote...


There is no way to explain the Normandy scene. It is impossible. They need to take it out.

They can only explain it if they do make it clear that it's only something that happened inside Shepard's head. If it's only a fantasy then it can do whatever it likes. That means either they show a dead Shepard appearing in a blaze of light in the endings where Shep sacrifices her/himself and it's clear that everyone died, or that the whole scene was something Shep was hallucinating while s/he lay critically injured.

Those are the only two ways I can make it make any sense at all.

[Sialater]

frylock23 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...


There is no way to explain the Normandy scene. It is impossible. They need to take it out.

They can only explain it if they do make it clear that it's only something that happened inside Shepard's head. If it's only a fantasy then it can do whatever it likes. That means either they show a dead Shepard appearing in a blaze of light in the endings where Shep sacrifices her/himself and it's clear that everyone died, or that the whole scene was something Shep was hallucinating while s/he lay critically injured.

Those are the only two ways I can make it make any sense at all.

This.  So much, this.

There is one other way.... it's a nod to 2010: A Space Odyssey and that's a terraformed Io (or Europa, which ever it was).  It wouldn't be the first time they've ignored the lore.

Modifié par Sialater, 11 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[VintageUtti]

yoshibb wrote...

No, they didn't know there would be a huge demand for it. That's why they made sure to mention the closure, variety and personal appeal of the endings in all their marketing speak before the game. They had no idea people would actually want them to deliver on that <_<

I still don't know how they're gonna do it. How do you explain the Normandy scene? My personal feeling is the more they go into it, the more they realize how messed up this really is. It is my belief that Walters wanted to nuke the universe.

He lets things slip before release like the galaxy will be a wasteland so there can't be DLC. Also saying about the Citadel, "A few manage to get out but for most, bad times". Then he decides to put EDI and Joker together on an island to complete his whole galaxy is reborn theme. 

That said, I honestly don't think they have the resources to do a whole new set of endings so this is what they are trying to do. Problem is I think they will quickly realize a few cinematics and a couple epilogue slides cannot fix this. 

There is no way to explain the Normandy scene. It is impossible. They need to take it out.

There has to be a GIANT time gap between what happens on the Citadel and the Gilligan's Island landing.  In my (non-indoctrination) head canon Shepard is able to warn the forces that the relays will all be destroyed so that the fleet is able to travel back to their homeworlds so they don't starve to death on Earth.  As to how the Normandy would so easily flee with Kaidan who says he can't lose you again and with Joker who I don't believe would abandon you after his guilt of being responsible for your death before... they're going to have to actually come up with good writing for that.  I feel better knowing that they actually have a team of writers back for the extended ending but there's only so much repairing you can do with a broken ending.

[Gaddes]

I loop this while I work, if you haven't heard it yet you might enjoy it....

Memories of Kaidan

It's an audio mix I made a short while back that simulates Shepard's Dream Sequence, but with all the best Kaidan lines.  <3

[*Rogue*]

Gaddes wrote...

I loop this while I work, if you haven't heard it yet you might enjoy it....

Memories of Kaidan

It's an audio mix I made a short while back that simulates Shepard's Dream Sequence, but with all the best Kaidan lines.  <3

That is awesome.  Thank you so much for posting that.  I could listen to that voice all night and never get tired of it.  The way he says "Shepard" ... gives me shivers.  In a good way. 

[MageTarot]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Hey guys, I started a doc as a template for a letter to send to Cathleen Rootsaert as a thank you for her work on Kaidan's character. This is actually the first time I've set up a google doc so bear with me - the link is here and I believe all can comment without having to log in - if you want to be able to edit just ping me and I'll add you to the list happily...

Not sure what direction to take it in but I think it's a nice idea and I'm happy to help coordinate.

Thank you for starting this! Entered a comment/thank-you notice under my real name. It's the 3rd comment.


Honestly, the idea of a letter is perfect. With all the negativity surrounding the endings, it's a nice change to dwell upon something the game got right.


Now if we could just get more of it....

[RyrineaNara]

Gaddes wrote...

I loop this while I work, if you haven't heard it yet you might enjoy it....

Memories of Kaidan

It's an audio mix I made a short while back that simulates Shepard's Dream Sequence, but with all the best Kaidan lines.  <3

Cries! I would have loved this in my game if he had died at the coup. That would've been cool to someone who didn't romace anyone in ME2 but still Kaidan dies in the coup that would have made the last dream sequence even more heartbreaking for Shepard than the kid that  burnted to death scean.... Yeah, didn't find anything sad about that Kid dying and geting burnted alive I just didn't feel any attachement to the kid.

I would say if they wanted to show that she was suffering by  having dreams why not have a dream of ME1 & 2 if he had died in the cope? It goes to show she regrets not being able to save everyone she cares about and not some random kid off the street that I've got no attachement too.  I would also have put if you lost people in ME2 in those dream sqences like if garus had died have a few lines from him that were in  ME1 & 2. Also the same for Tail if she had died in the game play through of ME2.



Why give us this random kid that we see for one game? <_< That would have given more varibles to the Star brat in my own opinon to show at least our choices did matter at some point in game. :D

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 11 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[RyrineaNara]

Did I kill the thread with my long post about things?

[PhoenixDove1]

RyrineaNara, I think it would have been really powerful if it had been Kaidan reaching for you and the child in the dream at the end when you are both burning. And why didn't Shepard tell Kaidan about the dream? Seems like something she would have been comfortable discussing with him?

Edit:  And if that kid had not been starchild, or you were replaying in your dreams all the deaths from all three games.

Modifié par PhoenixDove1, 11 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[frylock23]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

RyrineaNara, I think it would have been really powerful if it had been Kaidan reaching for you and the child in the dream at the end when you are both burning. And why didn't Shepard tell Kaidan about the dream? Seems like something she would have been comfortable discussing with him?

Edit:  And if that kid had not been starchild, or you were replaying in your dreams all the deaths from all three games.

Probably because she's emabarrassed that she's dreaming about some random child that she doesn't know when she should be dreaming about people like Ashley whom she's known who have died because that wouuld totally have made sense.

Or, maybe it's her biological clock ticking and that's embarrassing her, too.

Modifié par frylock23, 11 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[PhoenixDove1]

frylock23 wrote...

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

RyrineaNara, I think it would have been really powerful if it had been Kaidan reaching for you and the child in the dream at the end when you are both burning. And why didn't Shepard tell Kaidan about the dream? Seems like something she would have been comfortable discussing with him?

Edit:  And if that kid had not been starchild, or you were replaying in your dreams all the deaths from all three games.

Probably because she's emabarrassed that she's dreaming about some random child that she doesn't know when she should be dreaming about people like Ashley whom she's known who have died because that wouuld totally have made sense.

Or, maybe it's her biological clock ticking and that's embarrassing her, too.

That's a good reason, and d*** that biological clock does tick doesn't it?!    Still would have liked to have that conversation.  Or just more conversations with Kaidan  or more *ahem* nights with Kaidan

[VintageUtti]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

RyrineaNara, I think it would have been really powerful if it had been Kaidan reaching for you and the child in the dream at the end when you are both burning. And why didn't Shepard tell Kaidan about the dream? Seems like something she would have been comfortable discussing with him?

Edit:  And if that kid had not been starchild, or you were replaying in your dreams all the deaths from all three games.

Shepard didn't tell Kaidan about the dreams because that was the beginning of indoctrination?

And yes, squadmates and other people you couldn't save throughout the games would have made the dreams so more effective.  I'll give them the first dream with the kid since Shepard had just left earth, but I would have been so much more emotionally invested if Ashley, Mordin, Thane and Legion appeared in the dreams instead of just their voices (and the kid of course).

Oh and replace the star child at the end with Avina too.

[Major Alenko]

 So after that new patch my game keeps freezing up now >.> Managed to get a few games of the multiplayer, I got the Krogan Vanguard, he's just total kick ass. I did import my femshep to see if I got it right when I copied the code manually and she looks exactly the same so atlest that's working now.
Love that 'Memories of Kaidan' mix, so perfect. I love the 'Maybe what I've never found-what I want-is something deeper with someone I already care about' I screamed a little when he said this to mShep on my first playthrough. 'That's what I want, what do you want?' I was like YESSSSSSS. 

[RyrineaNara]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

RyrineaNara, I think it would have been really powerful if it had been Kaidan reaching for you and the child in the dream at the end when you are both burning. And why didn't Shepard tell Kaidan about the dream? Seems like something she would have been comfortable discussing with him?

Edit:  And if that kid had not been starchild, or you were replaying in your dreams all the deaths from all three games.

In the child and Shepard  being burnt scean, if I was the deveopler I  would've made Kaidan  or the LI be the one dreaming this as to show their  scared of loosing Shepard and the live they could have together. Hell, we got to play as Joker, why not Kaidan? Don't get me wrong I liked it, when I played as Joker as a matter of fact I think its one of the funneisnt things in ME2 other than Ken and Gabby banter.
Yeap, It's really telling when the fans come up with a better dream type of suffering than Bioware. I guess were better at  being creative. Yeah, my Sheaprd would've been comfortable talking to him about the dream.

[RyrineaNara]

To expand a little on the Kid dream, I would've put instead of Shepard and the kid burning have Kaidan and a kid that looks like Shepard and Aleanko if your a female and Kaidan dies in the coup and had  stayed loyal to them in the sceond game. If the player is male, have random conversion thrown in from ME1 & 2, if he died in the coupe during one of these dreams have him burn in front of you to make it harder on you.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 11 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[legbamel]

For me, the little boy represented all of Earth to Shep, not just that one child. I hated that they co-opted him for the ending, though. The dream sequences were really powerful, to me, and as the game progressed more voices of the dead showed up in them, at least in my game. Maybe they just couldn't come up with anything else for the creature you speak with at the end to look like.

I still maintain that Kaidan would have noticed Shepard jerking out of that dream and asked her about it. That part of the love scene really disappointed me.

[ShallowlLife9871]

Gaddes wrote...

I loop this while I work, if you haven't heard it yet you might enjoy it....

Memories of Kaidan

It's an audio mix I made a short while back that simulates Shepard's Dream Sequence, but with all the best Kaidan lines.  <3

<3
what a awesome  thing to wake up to. and so meny lines i haven't herd... god that man has a sexy sexy voice. i agree, his wife is very lucky 

this mix is acctully getting me motavated to create another shepard... just after i've imported my new shep into me2.
btw, that pic you did Gaddes?  WOW:O

Modifié par ShallowlLife9871, 11 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[dstrawberrygirl]

MageTarot wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Hey guys, I started a doc as a template for a letter to send to Cathleen Rootsaert as a thank you for her work on Kaidan's character. This is actually the first time I've set up a google doc so bear with me - the link is here and I believe all can comment without having to log in - if you want to be able to edit just ping me and I'll add you to the list happily...

Not sure what direction to take it in but I think it's a nice idea and I'm happy to help coordinate.

Thank you for starting this! Entered a comment/thank-you notice under my real name. It's the 3rd comment.


Honestly, the idea of a letter is perfect. With all the negativity surrounding the endings, it's a nice change to dwell upon something the game got right.


Now if we could just get more of it....

Brilliant stuff! I have added it to the bottom of the letter as a direct quote - I think it works well that way. Also, this makes it easier for others to do the same, if you have anything you personally would like to direct to Cathleen just pop a comment on the doc and I'll add it as a quote. Or if someone could pull together the ideas for the DLC expansions that we've been chatting about then that would also be super (otherwise I may have to dig deep in the depths of the thread back many many pages

So yeah, anyone want to add anything, pop a comment  here and I'll keep building it! Then we'll work out logistics of how to package / present / send to Cathleen once we're happy.

Modifié par dstrawberrygirl, 11 avril 2012 - 10:57 .