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[frylock23]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Don't get me wrong I liked it, when I played as Joker as a matter of fact I think its one of the funneisnt things in ME2 other than Ken and Gabby banter.

S***, s*** .... What the s*** ...

I doubt Kaidan's inner monologue would be so easy to write.

[PhoenixDove1]

legbamel wrote...

For me, the little boy represented all of Earth to Shep, not just that one child. I hated that they co-opted him for the ending, though. The dream sequences were really powerful, to me, and as the game progressed more voices of the dead showed up in them, at least in my game. Maybe they just couldn't come up with anything else for the creature you speak with at the end to look like.

I still maintain that Kaidan would have noticed Shepard jerking out of that dream and asked her about it. That part of the love scene really disappointed me.

Using the child for the catalyst took away the whole idea that the child represented humanity for me :/  And yeah, when shep woke up and he didn't even stir, rrrriiiiggghhhhtttt.

[frylock23]

legbamel wrote...

For me, the little boy represented all of Earth to Shep, not just that one child. I hated that they co-opted him for the ending, though. The dream sequences were really powerful, to me, and as the game progressed more voices of the dead showed up in them, at least in my game. Maybe they just couldn't come up with anything else for the creature you speak with at the end to look like.

I still maintain that Kaidan would have noticed Shepard jerking out of that dream and asked her about it. That part of the love scene really disappointed me.

The problem is that there was no emotional attachment to the child. Honestly, most of us didn't have much emotional attachment to Earth from the series either. But, they could have generated much more if they had used an avatar that had some emotion behind it like a character who had been in the series and died. Honestly the best option might have been one that died in ME2, but one who HAD to die in ME2. Of course, there were no such characters, but if there had been one and that one was a likeable one ... It would have been a better avatar particularly if that character had come from Earth, Maybe Kelly Chambers as I think most people genuinely liked her?

[PhoenixDove1]

RyrineaNara wrote...

To expand a little on the Kid dream, I would've put instead of Shepard and the kid burning have Kaidan and a kid that looks like Shepard and Aleanko if your a female and Kaidan dies in the coup and had  stayed loyal to them in the sceond game. If the player is male, have random conversion thrown in from ME1 & 2, if he died in the coupe during one of these dreams have him burn in front of you to make it harder on you.

definitely would have made it harder if after the burning sequence you notice yours and or Kaidans dog tags around his neck to make you realize how much he looks like Kaidan and you realize it's your future that you see burning.  Nightmare.

[PhoenixDove1]

frylock23 wrote...

legbamel wrote...

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The problem is that there was no emotional attachment to the child. Honestly, most of us didn't have much emotional attachment to Earth from the series either. But, they could have generated much more if they had used an avatar that had some emotion behind it like a character who had been in the series and died. Honestly the best option might have been one that died in ME2, but one who HAD to die in ME2. Of course, there were no such characters, but if there had been one and that one was a likeable one ... It would have been a better avatar particularly if that character had come from Earth, Maybe Kelly Chambers as I think most people genuinely liked her?

I agree, the first dream about the kid I got, but then all the others of the kid?  eh.  It would have been better if maybe he was running but ran by somebody that dyed, like Ashley or Jenkins or anyone from ME2 who died and it's Shepard chasing I guess the future but seeing the lost lives along the way?

[slyborg]

Ainyan42 wrote...

Don't feel bad. I've done three play throughs and I've never gotten it either. I'm beginning to think it's a myth.

Here you go!

Ahhh my ladybnoner!:pinched: I think I got that line in my last playthrough but over clicked and had to interupted by his next line. D'oh!

Just finished making a dorky Shepard birthday video to try to win a ME hoodie. Oh boy, I hope I win!

Modifié par slyborg, 11 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[Ainyan42]

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

legbamel wrote...

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The problem is that there was no emotional attachment to the child. Honestly, most of us didn't have much emotional attachment to Earth from the series either. But, they could have generated much more if they had used an avatar that had some emotion behind it like a character who had been in the series and died. Honestly the best option might have been one that died in ME2, but one who HAD to die in ME2. Of course, there were no such characters, but if there had been one and that one was a likeable one ... It would have been a better avatar particularly if that character had come from Earth, Maybe Kelly Chambers as I think most people genuinely liked her?

I agree, the first dream about the kid I got, but then all the others of the kid?  eh.  It would have been better if maybe he was running but ran by somebody that dyed, like Ashley or Jenkins or anyone from ME2 who died and it's Shepard chasing I guess the future but seeing the lost lives along the way?

I never really felt an emotional attachment to Earth - and certainly never to some ugly child with an annoying voice. My Shepard through ME1 and ME2 was decidedly non-humanocentric, so while she grieves for Earth, she grieves just as much for Palaven or Thessia or any of the other worlds where her friends came from. Both the dream sequences and the Catalyst would have meant a lot more to me if they had been images of the VD (Ash, in my case) rather than some nameless kid.

Also, the biggest reason I have an issue with a kid as a Catalyst? When is the last time that you took anything a kid said super seriously? I mean - yeah, we all listen to children, but it's usually with an indulgent air and half an ear. Imagining my Shepard actually listening to some - what, five? six? - year old boy and taking him seriously breaks my immersion.

[Kyria Nyriese]

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

[TamiBx]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

Also, I didn't understand why every human on the Normandy was so worried and depressed about Thessia. Everyone had lost their home planet, and only Liara was throwing a fist about it...not even Shepard was allowed to be a little sad... <_<

The kid was just...no. And then he ended up being the Catalyst...

[Anacruisis]

TamiBx wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

Also, I didn't understand why every human on the Normandy was so worried and depressed about Thessia. Everyone had lost their home planet, and only Liara was throwing a fist about it...not even Shepard was allowed to be a little sad... <_<

The kid was just...no. And then he ended up being the Catalyst...

I think they worried because asari is the most advance race
if thessia is ruined = they're screwed
I hate that mission
why on earth I have to comfort dev's blue waifu while I almost died at the temple <_<
If there is a locker scene like in me1
I can tolerate that
but nooooo there is only liara cabin scene (imitating the presidium worker)

[Kyria Nyriese]

TamiBx wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

Also, I didn't understand why every human on the Normandy was so worried and depressed about Thessia. Everyone had lost their home planet, and only Liara was throwing a fist about it...not even Shepard was allowed to be a little sad... <_<

The kid was just...no. And then he ended up being the Catalyst...

Heh yeah...

OK off on Strategy 101 here.  In ME 3 we did the first thing you don't do in a strategic engagement.  We let the Reapers dictate the terms of when and where.  That is a loss waiting to happen.  That is why I believe we should have let Earth be sacrificed and gathered everything together and then made the Reapers come to us on our terms at our chosen location.

I don't know, that part of the game just really bugged the strategist in me.

*edit Adding a Kaidan to take the sting out of the offtopic rant

Modifié par Kyria Nyriese, 12 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[frylock23]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

I think they counted too much on the player having an attachment to Earth which we all naturally do, but in the game, our characters don't necessarily have one. One third of the Shep backgrounds don't even come from Earth. And then, they didn't give us any time on Earth in order to try to really build a link to it for our character, so they're basically assuming that the player would be metagaming. And where I come from, metagaming is sort of a cardinal sin at the table.

[moonmythology]

Ainyan42 wrote...

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

legbamel wrote...

snip

The problem is that there was no emotional attachment to the child. Honestly, most of us didn't have much emotional attachment to Earth from the series either. But, they could have generated much more if they had used an avatar that had some emotion behind it like a character who had been in the series and died. Honestly the best option might have been one that died in ME2, but one who HAD to die in ME2. Of course, there were no such characters, but if there had been one and that one was a likeable one ... It would have been a better avatar particularly if that character had come from Earth, Maybe Kelly Chambers as I think most people genuinely liked her?

I agree, the first dream about the kid I got, but then all the others of the kid?  eh.  It would have been better if maybe he was running but ran by somebody that dyed, like Ashley or Jenkins or anyone from ME2 who died and it's Shepard chasing I guess the future but seeing the lost lives along the way?

I never really felt an emotional attachment to Earth - and certainly never to some ugly child with an annoying voice. My Shepard through ME1 and ME2 was decidedly non-humanocentric, so while she grieves for Earth, she grieves just as much for Palaven or Thessia or any of the other worlds where her friends came from. Both the dream sequences and the Catalyst would have meant a lot more to me if they had been images of the VD (Ash, in my case) rather than some nameless kid.

Also, the biggest reason I have an issue with a kid as a Catalyst? When is the last time that you took anything a kid said super seriously? I mean - yeah, we all listen to children, but it's usually with an indulgent air and half an ear. Imagining my Shepard actually listening to some - what, five? six? - year old boy and taking him seriously breaks my immersion.

I am doing a rewrite of ME3 (not published yet though). For the Catalyst, I used Ashley, Thane, Legion and everyone who died. I made the Catalyst shapeshift. (I also changed the purpose of the Catalyst so my happy ending is believable. hehe). Using those people would make more sense because of the emotional connections.

I think the reason for using the child is for the sake of economy. Because if they use Ash, what about those who saved Ash on Virmire?

[frylock23]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

OK off on Strategy 101 here.  In ME 3 we did the first thing you don't do in a strategic engagement.  We let the Reapers dictate the terms of when and where.  That is a loss waiting to happen.  That is why I believe we should have let Earth be sacrificed and gathered everything together and then made the Reapers come to us on our terms at our chosen location.

I don't know, that part of the game just really bugged the strategist in me.

*edit Adding a Kaidan to take the sting out of the offtopic rant

And this, you should never allow the superior force to dictate the terms of the battle if you can help it. You need to terrain on your side too much.

The only reason I can think of why they did what they did is due to the Crucible/Catalyst meet up - well that and it's amply obvious that BioWare wasn't thinking in terms of space combat otherwise they'd be using all three dimensions and not just two walls of ships rushing to meet up.

[Kyria Nyriese]

frylock23 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

I think they counted too much on the player having an attachment to Earth which we all naturally do, but in the game, our characters don't necessarily have one. One third of the Shep backgrounds don't even come from Earth. And then, they didn't give us any time on Earth in order to try to really build a link to it for our character, so they're basically assuming that the player would be metagaming. And where I come from, metagaming is sort of a cardinal sin at the table.

Bolded part, while I have no issues with metagaming and tend to do it in later runs, the fact that I had to meta game the stupid game in my first play through just to get the breath scene, which still s***ed annoyed me to no end.  I drove my ex crazy because he is anti cheats, anti guide, while after my first run I'm more than happy to hit the guides at the very least.

[frylock23]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...


Bolded part, while I have no issues with metagaming and tend to do it in later runs, the fact that I had to meta game the stupid game in my first play through just to get the breath scene, which still s***ed annoyed me to no end.  I drove my ex crazy because he is anti cheats, anti guide, while after my first run I'm more than happy to hit the guides at the very least.

I tend to try to treat video games as a sort of grey area between books and tabletop RPGs. I have no trouble flipping to the last four or five pages of a book because I want to know who's still alive at the end. It doesn't bother me because most of the big solutions are in the pages preceeding. So, it's sort of metagaming. And with a game as complicated as ME tends to be when it comes to making choices or missing certain NPCs (I still haven't found Conrad Verner in any of my games), I will spoil myself and metagame. There was no way I was messing up and having to shoot Kaidan!

It turns out that no metagaming or spoiling was needed in this one; the end was bad no matter what I did.

When it comes to tabletop games, don't ask me to metagame ... ever.

[Kyria Nyriese]

frylock23 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...


Bolded part, while I have no issues with metagaming and tend to do it in later runs, the fact that I had to meta game the stupid game in my first play through just to get the breath scene, which still s***ed annoyed me to no end.  I drove my ex crazy because he is anti cheats, anti guide, while after my first run I'm more than happy to hit the guides at the very least.

I tend to try to treat video games as a sort of grey area between books and tabletop RPGs. I have no trouble flipping to the last four or five pages of a book because I want to know who's still alive at the end. It doesn't bother me because most of the big solutions are in the pages preceeding. So, it's sort of metagaming. And with a game as complicated as ME tends to be when it comes to making choices or missing certain NPCs (I still haven't found Conrad Verner in any of my games), I will spoil myself and metagame. There was no way I was messing up and having to shoot Kaidan!

It turns out that no metagaming or spoiling was needed in this one; the end was bad no matter what I did.

When it comes to tabletop games, don't ask me to metagame ... ever.

Either my ex or one of our friends tend to run our table top games, so metagaming isn't an option, because once you think you've figured out what they are going to do, out jumps a frog that eats your healers.... /sigh

[moonmythology]

Is anyone getting an Error Type 1 from Fanfiction.net?

I've updated my story, but the link given to me gives me that error. Is anyone else receiving this error?

It seems that FF does not want Shepard to die so Kaidan and my shep would stay together forever after ME1.

Edit: no need. it's fixed now 

Modifié par moonmythology, 12 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

moonmythology wrote...

Is anyone getting an Error Type 1 from Fanfiction.net?

I've updated my story, but the link given to me gives me that error. Is anyone else receiving this error?

It seems that FF does not want Shepard to die so Kaidan and my shep would stay together forever after ME1.

FFN has been giving me headaches for about ten days now, either not showing up new stories/chapters, or losing days at a time for a couple hours.  I think they're overloaded due to so many people trying to write their own ending to ME 3 to bleach out the one Bioware gave us.

[leighzard]

legbamel wrote...

For me, the little boy represented all of Earth to Shep, not just that one child. I hated that they co-opted him for the ending, though. The dream sequences were really powerful, to me, and as the game progressed more voices of the dead showed up in them, at least in my game. Maybe they just couldn't come up with anything else for the creature you speak with at the end to look like.

I still maintain that Kaidan would have noticed Shepard jerking out of that dream and asked her about it. That part of the love scene really disappointed me.

I actually have frequent nightmares.  My husband doesn't know unless I wake up screaming.   I usually just poke my head under his arm and go back to sleep.

I was totally into the dream sequences, so symbolic and stuff, at least I was untill the kid showed up as the catalyst.  Now I just hate seeing him every single time.  I mean, I'm sure the catalyst chose that form b/c it was familiar or whatever, but I don't even care that the kid gets blown up anymore.

PhoenixDove1 wrote...

definitely would have made it harder if after the burning sequence you notice yours and or Kaidans dog tags around his neck to make you realize how much he looks like Kaidan and you realize it's your future that you see burning.  Nightmare.

That is a brilliant idea.  I like it.  Then maybe I would have cared.

Also, I do not like Kelly Chambers.  And I'm okay if I'm the only one.  That crazy woman was not even allowed near my Shepards' fish.

Modifié par leborum, 12 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[2leggywillow]

Shenzi caught this pic of Kaidan, and I laughed:



It's just begging for captions.

[Natswit]

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

dstrawberrygirl wrote...

Hey guys, I started a doc as a template for a letter to send to Cathleen Rootsaert as a thank you for her work on Kaidan's character. This is actually the first time I've set up a google doc so bear with me - the link is here and I believe all can comment without having to log in - if you want to be able to edit just ping me and I'll add you to the list happily...

Not sure what direction to take it in but I think it's a nice idea and I'm happy to help coordinate.

Thank you for starting this! Entered a comment/thank-you notice under my real name. It's the 3rd comment.


Honestly, the idea of a letter is perfect. With all the negativity surrounding the endings, it's a nice change to dwell upon something the game got right.


Now if we could just get more of it....

[snip]

Brilliant stuff! I have added it to the bottom of the letter as a direct quote - I think it works well that way. Also, this makes it easier for others to do the same, if you have anything you personally would like to direct to Cathleen just pop a comment on the doc and I'll add it as a quote. Or if someone could pull together the ideas for the DLC expansions that we've been chatting about then that would also be super (otherwise I may have to dig deep in the depths of the thread back many many pages

So yeah, anyone want to add anything, pop a comment  here and I'll keep building it! Then we'll work out logistics of how to package / present / send to Cathleen once we're happy.

If it starts to get too big, maybe we could sign it (with our usernames or real names) just so Cathleen knows that there really are many Kaidan fans, also, when it comes to writing about Kaidan's romance, I love it so much that I can't really write something cohesive from an out of game perspective 

[leighzard]

2leggywillow wrote...

Shenzi caught this pic of Kaidan, and I laughed:



It's just begging for captions.

"Really, Shepard?  That's the new dress you bought?"

[moonmythology]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

moonmythology wrote...

Is anyone getting an Error Type 1 from Fanfiction.net?

I've updated my story, but the link given to me gives me that error. Is anyone else receiving this error?

It seems that FF does not want Shepard to die so Kaidan and my shep would stay together forever after ME1.

FFN has been giving me headaches for about ten days now, either not showing up new stories/chapters, or losing days at a time for a couple hours.  I think they're overloaded due to so many people trying to write their own ending to ME 3 to bleach out the one Bioware gave us.

Yeah, sheesh. Just shows that Bioware really needs to give us a new ending soon!

[legbamel]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
So I'm not alone in the lack of emotional attachment to Earth in the game. So would I be a monster if was sitting here thinking, 'you know leaving earth to the reapers while we prepare a time and place to kick their arses would be a good idea strategically'.

Oh and the kid... yeah that was just. OK the first part with the kid, I can kind of see that, but every other part with the kid... no. I sure can't see my Shep's having nightmares about him. Kaidan nearly dying on Mars, yes. The destruction of Palavan, yes. Udina... yes, that man gave me nightmares in the first game. But the kid? I just don't see it.

I don't necessarily see it as emotional attachment as I do fear of failure.  She has seen Earth going up in flames, literally as she fled in the Normandy and figuratively in her dreams.  She failed to save that kid and she watched him die in a Reaper's beam.  That's the connection, for me.

Am I the only one that had wraithlike crew members calling out to me in ghostly voices as I ran through that last dream?  Seriously, it was not too long after I watched Tali kill herself and there she was.  That was awful!  I swear Ash's voice was in there somewher and maybe Mordin, too.  They're hard to make out but they were definitely there.  Of course this was the game with a nearly-full memorial wall and Shep had an awful lot of ghosts in her head. 

Edit for ToP: The best moment in ME2


Edited again to say that, leborum, you are not the only one.  I couldn't stand Kelly Chambers.  Then hubby invited her up for a drink and I saw her outfit.  [shudder]

Do you suppose we can get some Collector ship from somewhere to flush Allers like I did Chambers?  That would be satisfying. 

Modifié par legbamel, 12 avril 2012 - 12:59 .