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[rpgfan321]

M0keys wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Greetings! A writer buddy of mine (Grub) is working on some alternate endings for ME3 (which you can read at the link provided here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10966771 ) and he's done lots of work, but one of the things he doesn't have a lot of experience with is relationships with Kaidan, so there isn't a lot of Kaidan material in the endings as yet -- but that's something he wants to fix!

He'd really like the perspective of Kaidan fans. Why do you like Kaidan? What makes him so special to you and your Shepard? And before ME3, how did you expect/want to end up with Kaidan at the end of the series?

Just posting this question again. Getings lots of good feedback from other character threads, but I haven't seen too much here!

Come on, kaidan fans! I know you're out there!

What! We aren't talking about Kaidan in the Kaidan thread?! Blasphemous!   

But to answer your question, I like Kaidan's character because he is a quiet person and also a nerd. I know. He's a technie. Watch the conversation he has with Tali when aboarding the Geth dreadnaught. It's really cute. Even though he is a biotic, Kaidan acts and talks like a regular person. He just feels like a regular person and down-to-earth. Also he is quite the romantic like straight out of a movie. Honest, open-minded,  and a goody-two-shoes (in a good way). I see him a good fit for both paragon and renegade. My Shepard was a renegon who was actually very forgiving toward Kaidan's initial supreme mistrust. That's how I played Shepard's relationship with Kaidan. 

There has already been bunch of fanfiction out there and the repeating theme is that Kaidan is Shepard's center and his/her safe place. I think there is a sense of home, like an actual place, around Kaidan. 

Before ME3's ending happened (  -.-;; ) ,  I can really imagine Kaidan asking Shepard to marry her/him. I think he's the type that wants to settle down one day. Whether he's rejected or not (but I'm sure most people will agree to Kaidan's offer), I think he would want a slower pace even though he rose in rank and gained Spectrehood. He is very diplomatic and wants to be diplomatic. 

Shepard has a very crazy, deadly life if you think about it, and the relationship between Kaidan ... just feels so real. 

... My goodness. I want to play ME3 again to see Kaidan. But the ending....   

[Ianthia]

Darn, I take a few days off reading and I miss about 20 pages.
You guys move fast hehe

Kaidan related question (s)
Does it ever mention his parents name?
Does he have a middle name?

I was just thinking those to myself today as I was reading all the fanfics popping up hehe

[Phoenix NL]

Ianthia wrote...

Darn, I take a few days off reading and I miss about 20 pages.
You guys move fast hehe

Kaidan related question (s)
Does it ever mention his parents name?
Does he have a middle name?

I was just thinking those to myself today as I was reading all the fanfics popping up hehe

Not that I have seen but I might have missed it somewhere.

[Phoenix NL]

M0keys wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Greetings! A writer buddy of mine (Grub) is working on some alternate endings for ME3 (which you can read at the link provided here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10966771 ) and he's done lots of work, but one of the things he doesn't have a lot of experience with is relationships with Kaidan, so there isn't a lot of Kaidan material in the endings as yet -- but that's something he wants to fix!

He'd really like the perspective of Kaidan fans. Why do you like Kaidan? What makes him so special to you and your Shepard? And before ME3, how did you expect/want to end up with Kaidan at the end of the series?

Just posting this question again. Getings lots of good feedback from other character threads, but I haven't seen too much here!

Come on, kaidan fans! I know you're out there!

Personally I like Kaidan because he's a very complex and yet human character. Quiet and thoughtful he has strong morals and an open mind. For me at least I find him the perfect counter balance to my Shepard, being someone who understands the demands of the Alliance and the pressure that she's under. There are loads of other reasons but I can only manage a quick reply right now sorry!

[Ajna]

Kolotosa wrote...

So, the conversation with Ajna earlier today kind of inspired me to be stupid and not only write, but also upload one of the little vignette stories I had been kicking around. I'll probably hate myself for this in approximately 30 minutes, but bandaids and armhair and all that.

http://www.fanfictio...Smell_of_Coffee

.... >.< Be gentle, it's my first time.

Yes!  See I knew you would be good at this!  I love it .  Keep doing it and I will keep reading, one thing though, seems your Shepard stole my socks...

Mention of a million points of light has got me singing Carbon though.

[Ianthia]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Ianthia wrote...

Darn, I take a few days off reading and I miss about 20 pages.
You guys move fast hehe

Kaidan related question (s)
Does it ever mention his parents name?
Does he have a middle name?

I was just thinking those to myself today as I was reading all the fanfics popping up hehe

Not that I have seen but I might have missed it somewhere.

Thanks
I didn't think so, but I've been lax reading the codex entries heh
Figured I might have missed it

[Ianthia]

Ajna wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

So, the conversation with Ajna earlier today kind of inspired me to be stupid and not only write, but also upload one of the little vignette stories I had been kicking around. I'll probably hate myself for this in approximately 30 minutes, but bandaids and armhair and all that.

http://www.fanfictio...Smell_of_Coffee

.... >.< Be gentle, it's my first time.

Yes!  See I knew you would be good at this!  I love it .  Keep doing it and I will keep reading, one thing though, seems your Shepard stole my socks...

Mention of a million points of light has got me singing Carbon though.

I missed you posting your story! I actually read it earlier - its terrific
You have done a great job on it!
(Yup I read them all hehe - SO many new ones popping up Im forgetting who wrote what lol But it keeps me busy all day long )

I have a story rolling around in my head but I dont think any of you would want it lol
Its AU kinda, in that it introduces another character from the start... and Shep is male... well and its not Shenko lol its kaidan and the new person heh. But it IS kadain lol... i'll shut up now

Modifié par Ianthia, 20 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

M0keys wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Greetings! A writer buddy of mine (Grub) is working on some alternate endings for ME3 (which you can read at the link provided here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10966771 ) and he's done lots of work, but one of the things he doesn't have a lot of experience with is relationships with Kaidan, so there isn't a lot of Kaidan material in the endings as yet -- but that's something he wants to fix!

He'd really like the perspective of Kaidan fans. Why do you like Kaidan? What makes him so special to you and your Shepard? And before ME3, how did you expect/want to end up with Kaidan at the end of the series?

Just posting this question again. Getings lots of good feedback from other character threads, but I haven't seen too much here!

Come on, kaidan fans! I know you're out there!

What do I like about Kaidan?  He's a geek, he's smart, he's idealistic, he's absolutely loyal, yet will still point out your flaws.  As someone said here, he's Shepard's moral compass, no matter how Shepard is built.  While he may be slow to trust, once you earn his trust and loyalty it takes a lot to lose them.  Though he doesn't follow blindly, he sees the humanity in everyone (italicized because we're talking about an universe with many species).  He's extremely open minded, he takes little at face value, yet is willing to see and hear what needs to be seen and heard to make the best decision possible.

As for how I expected ME 3 to end in regards to Kaidan... well if Shepard survived, I expected they would be together, maybe retire and just leave saving the galaxy to a new generation of heroes.  I always saw my Shepards as deciding that they had done enough, having died and been brought back and still had to fight the Reapers, that if they lived, they wanted a chance to retire with Kaidan somewhere quiet.  I never really approached the thought of kids with Kaidan, as first off Shepard has died once, secondly, just never saw my Shepards as mothers.

That's how I see Kaidan, I hope it helps.

[sir-edmund]

M0keys wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Greetings! A writer buddy of mine (Grub) is working on some alternate endings for ME3 (which you can read at the link provided here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10966771 ) and he's done lots of work, but one of the things he doesn't have a lot of experience with is relationships with Kaidan, so there isn't a lot of Kaidan material in the endings as yet -- but that's something he wants to fix!

He'd really like the perspective of Kaidan fans. Why do you like Kaidan? What makes him so special to you and your Shepard? And before ME3, how did you expect/want to end up with Kaidan at the end of the series?

Just posting this question again. Getings lots of good feedback from other character threads, but I haven't seen too much here!

Come on, kaidan fans! I know you're out there!

Ok, bit of a word-brick coming, please bear with me.

I'll preface this by saying that I read through the existing doc and loved it; it actually makes sense and the ending are actually different! BioWare should hire your friend. I particularly like the Miracle Man ending for obvious reasons, even if it was a bit on the Miraculous! side. My only complaint is a small one, and that is of pronouns. It would be nice if there was a femShep version, but I can overlook a few 'he's and 'him's in the name of a sense-making ending.

Anyway, this isn't about me, this is about everyone's favorite Major.

I like Kaidan because of the pure and simple fact that he doesn't need me to fix him. ME2 is a great game, but the entire time it's just Shepard running around the galaxy fixing everyone else's problems and at some point I just want to scream “do it your self.” In stark contrast, Kaidan doesn't want anything from you. The only thing he wants is to help. No ulterior motive, no cunning plan, just the genuine desire to be there. Even if you don't romance him he remains this wonderful pillar of support. The man is a rock. He's as well adjusted and self-assured as anyone with superpowers could ever hope to be. He pretty much sums it up himself in the first game; “I'm thirty-two, Shepard. You don't serve as long as I have without coming to terms with yourself.” He knows exactly who he is. Plus, he has superpowers.

As for an ending, I pretty much see things returning to whatever passes for normal on the Normandy. Shepard gets released from the hospital after doing whatever it was to save the galaxy and goes right back to active duty. Those who want off get dropped at whatever port they want, and the rest carry on. Shepard and Kaidan, saving the galaxy one fetch-quest at a time.

[TamiBx]

 We need some Kaidan on this page 




Source: http://futurefit.tum...ave-some-kaidan

Modifié par TamiBx, 20 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[LastFadingSmile]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. When I stumbled out of bed I had forgotten I'd even posted that. It would have been a much less gentle awakening if you'd all hated it.

[Gtacatalina]

 Goodbye

[Doodle]

Gtacatalina wrote...



 Goodbye

ShepardKaidan
(yes i used the ME1 paramour symbol as a heart.)

Edit: forgot to say Hi, was rude of me

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 20 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[Priisus]

M0keys wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Greetings! A writer buddy of mine (Grub) is working on some alternate endings for ME3 (which you can read at the link provided here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10966771 ) and he's done lots of work, but one of the things he doesn't have a lot of experience with is relationships with Kaidan, so there isn't a lot of Kaidan material in the endings as yet -- but that's something he wants to fix!

He'd really like the perspective of Kaidan fans. Why do you like Kaidan? What makes him so special to you and your Shepard? And before ME3, how did you expect/want to end up with Kaidan at the end of the series?

Just posting this question again. Getings lots of good feedback from other character threads, but I haven't seen too much here!

Come on, kaidan fans! I know you're out there!

I'm going to admit that I went Daro'Xen on him on my first ME1 playthrough. My first Shepard is a male Vanguard so I like having another human Biotics on the ship... especially in ME1 where there was just so much lore with human Biotics (i.e: Chairman Burns, Major Kyle missions...) He got me hooked the moment Dr.Chakwas mentioned that the L2 Biotics are unique so I went and talked to him after every mission just to gain insight on human Biotics and because well... L2s are supposed to be one of the earliest human Biotics. I think his BAaT stories are very interesting. And then my friend went on and tell me that he has more dialogues with femShep.

I usually hate the way a lot of female protangonists are portrayed which is why I usually avoids playing as a female character even though I'm a girl myself. Well I guess since Ash is there as a "benchmark" for the female Alliance Marines so I went and create a femShep. And boy I was hooked!

So about the relationship that my Shepard and Kaidan has: I always feel that everybody expects too much from Shepard. She is a Colonist / Sole Survivor Soldier who has no special Biotic or Tech skills... All she ever know is learn to handle weapons and be good at them. She never thought about joining the Alliance or to even be accepted to the N7 program and then went on to become the lone survivor of Akuze. I headcanon that she never want any of these "fame", after all she grew up as farmer's child. The breaking point was when she was made a Spectre and being the only hope who can stop the sinister agendas of the Reapers, I felt that there was too much burden for her at this point of time. Kaidan is her source of stability because he does not really expect her to be the hero that everyone expects her to be (compared to let's say... Garrus whom I think looks up too much to Shepard to be his moral guidance or Liara who went "Prothean Beacon" on her). Kaidan's just there for her. Also he's emotionally stable even though he went through a lot of hardship himself (being an L2 and a BAaT trainee who went on to be the reason why the program was shut down... and also because human Biotics are viewed with skepticisim from normal people... look at another BAaT trainee - Hendel whose parents hate him!)

I actually like the Horizon plot (a lot of VS fans don't). I feel that it adds a lot to the story; my Shepard being an Akuze veteran will never stand for Cerberus and I feel that Kaidan is justified for thinking it may not really be Shepard Because heck... he knows her, she will never join Cerberus. So going into ME3, I was totally fine with the whole "hostility" at Mars because given enough time I know that Kaidan (and Ash) will come into the realization that it's still really Shepard... the conclusion at the Cerberus HQ is really good imo. Also, I guess your friend doesn't have a romanced Kaidan playthrough then... Kaidan said this "I've always loved you. Through all these years, through... through everything... I'm the luckiest man alive" - Kaidan waited three years for Shepard. Come on seriously how can you not like the guy?! The only other playthrough I finished is a Liara romance and I don't feel satisfied at all with her romance plot conclusion.

As for the end, I used to be fine with my Shepard dieing if necessary. And then Kaidan went on to say "I can't lose you again". I went "fuuuu" literally [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] and because well... her last thought is also of him, for the guy who waited three years for her to come back again. They had lost so much (Shepard lost her whole family at Mindoir, her whole unit at Akuze, she very damn well almost lost Kaidan twice... thrice?). Kaidan just lost his dad, his mom too maybe and losing Shepard again... So yeah... I hope they don't have to lose each other again. 

ME3 ending is such a downer... They made us work so hard to get the "Shepard" lives cutscene only to slap us with the whole giligan planet idea.

Ok that's quite... a rant...

[Doodle]

Picture anyone?

[sanmar]

^ I love it!

[LastFadingSmile]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

<yowza>

Picture anyone?

You always know just what to say...

[legbamel]

?I knew BioWare I expected Shepard to die, because wanted to end her story. I was fine with that but I never expected her to die alone. As much as I love Anderson, it should have been Kaidan up on the Citadel with her. How much more wrenching would it have been to have TIM force you to shoot your LI?

For me, Shep has filfilled her purpose. As Garrus said, she was born. To do this. I never saw her retiring or having babies. She's too young to quit and, really, everything else would be so anticlimactic. But to tear away every good thing in her life and then shove the best of them onto some random planet smacks us right in the face after the investment we've all made in our Shepards.

What do I want to see in the ending? Shepard and Kaidan (or LI of your choice) deciding the fate of the galaxy together. Whether they live or die is up to BioWare.

[Phoenix NL]

Kolotosa wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

<yowza>

Picture anyone?

You always know just what to say...

A bit late I know but this song popped up during random shuffle on my ipod and listening to the words I could only think of Kaidan and Shepard 
Sorry if someone's already given it to you.

[LastFadingSmile]

Phoenix NL wrote...

A bit late I know but this song popped up during random shuffle on my ipod and listening to the words I could only think of Kaidan and Shepard 
Sorry if someone's already given it to you.

Not that one, no. Wow, that's a tearjerker; so sweet. Added it to the playlist.

I just added another one of my own to the list as well, it popped up on my iPod yesterday on the way to work and it was like an epiphanous moment. It's SO my Shepard's song for Kaidan.

Watch Over Me by Bernard Fanning: 
 

[Phoenix NL]

Kolotosa wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

A bit late I know but this song popped up during random shuffle on my ipod and listening to the words I could only think of Kaidan and Shepard 
Sorry if someone's already given it to you.

Not that one, no. Wow, that's a tearjerker; so sweet. Added it to the playlist.

I just added another one of my own to the list as well, it popped up on my iPod yesterday on the way to work and it was like an epiphanous moment. It's SO my Shepard's song for Kaidan.

Watch Over Me by Bernard Fanning: 
 

Oh that's a beautiful song!

[madlily]

legbamel wrote...

?I knew BioWare I expected Shepard to die, because wanted to end her story. I was fine with that but I never expected her to die alone. As much as I love Anderson, it should have been Kaidan up on the Citadel with her. How much more wrenching would it have been to have TIM force you to shoot your LI?

For me, Shep has filfilled her purpose. As Garrus said, she was born. To do this. I never saw her retiring or having babies. She's too young to quit and, really, everything else would be so anticlimactic. But to tear away every good thing in her life and then shove the best of them onto some random planet smacks us right in the face after the investment we've all made in our Shepards.

What do I want to see in the ending? Shepard and Kaidan (or LI of your choice) deciding the fate of the galaxy together. Whether they live or die is up to BioWare.

I dont even....jfc, my feels just blew up, if they hadve made Shepard shoot Kaidan i wouldve axed my xbox

I get that Shepard was born to do this.. but for jeebus's sake.. they built this massive thing up making us work our heinies off to get assets etc, all for the expectation of something epic on the other side.. instead we got kicked in the quad with a steel capped size 14 army boot of bad....

I DESERVE my happy ending.. and you know what.. i wouldve been more then happy if Shepard had popped her head out of the Normandy behind Kaidan.. I could totally have lived with the gilligans planet, or hell.. I couldve just assumed they all died and were in Heaven... anything but what we got

/endrant

Modifié par madlily, 20 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Seereh]

I'm being plagued by Shenko bunnies! I need to replay ME1 and 3 before I'm willing to consider writing a multiple chaptered fic so all I have are drabbles at the moment.

http://seerfulexpres...h-you-were-here

I found Space They Cannot Touch by Kate Miller-Heidke to be another nice Shenko related song. A bit sad but it's there for my ME3 playlist. It helps that I can kinda see Shepard briefly considering wanting to run away with Kaidan but knowing that their sense of duty would never allow it.

[Aslanasadi]

legbamel wrote...

?I knew BioWare I expected Shepard to die, because wanted to end her story. I was fine with that but I never expected her to die alone. As much as I love Anderson, it should have been Kaidan up on the Citadel with her. How much more wrenching would it have been to have TIM force you to shoot your LI?

For me, Shep has filfilled her purpose. As Garrus said, she was born. To do this. I never saw her retiring or having babies. She's too young to quit and, really, everything else would be so anticlimactic. But to tear away every good thing in her life and then shove the best of them onto some random planet smacks us right in the face after the investment we've all made in our Shepards.

What do I want to see in the ending? Shepard and Kaidan (or LI of your choice) deciding the fate of the galaxy together. Whether they live or die is up to BioWare.

To be honest I never have expected that Shepard has to die. I always thought it might be one of the options you will get. But no, that she/he has to die never crossed my mind. I wanted her to do the job and I admit I was thinking that she might retire, maybe would stay with the Alliance. Why not?
I would have liked one ending my Shepard surviving and reunited with Kaidan. That would have been my personal happy end.

Do we know what will happen in their future? That's the part we can use our imagination ...In my imagination or head canon she survived anyways (that's also what my guide says) and is reunited with Kaidan and in my dream they have a maybe not always easy but a happy future together.

Modifié par Aslanasadi, 20 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[LastFadingSmile]

madlily wrote...

I get that Shepard was born to do this.. but for jeebus's sake.. they built this massive thing up making us work our heinies off to get assets etc, all for the expectation of something epic on the other side.. instead we got kicked in the quad with a steel capped size 14 army boot of bad....

I DESERVE my happy ending.. and you know what.. i wouldve been more then happy if Shepard had popped her head out of the Normandy behind Kaidan.. I could totally have lived with the gilligans planet, or hell.. I couldve just assumed they all died and were in Heaven... anything but what we got

Yeah, I tend to agree with you. 

Realistically, the entire game was a "Hail Mary"; you're off on this crazy, last-ditch mission to unite the species, build this crazy device whose real purpose you have no freaking clue about beyond some amorphous "enhhh maybe it's liek a weapon??" theory. The ONLY thing that keeps you going, that keeps Shepard going, that keeps all of the Councils races going is hope. And they labour that point at several moments during the game, Hackett and Anderson outright tell you that hope and faith are pretty much the only things holding the resistance together, the pillowtalk with Kaidan, etc. They allow you to get taken in by it, to start to believe that there may just be some way to get through this after all...

...and then, they rip it away. With 3 equally terrible, devastating choices, and as if that wasn't enough, Shepard is forced to either die or be left for dead, while the crew, the LI, they're all crash-landed on some unknown planet lord only knows how far away with no clear way of getting home or even necessarily being able to report in.

Even if you pick the destroy ending and Shepard survives, what really is there to be hopeful for? That s/he might recover and...probably never see the crew again? Be all alone on a shattered world trying to pick up the pieces and "move on". That's not hopeful to me. I would rather my Shepard just be dead. At least death is certain.


I don't think it's too much to ask for a happier ending. I don't need sunshine  and rainbows and prancing unicorns and huge sparkling eyes. Sacrifice is expected, even welcome, but I don't think it's fair that Shepard alone should have to sacrifice EVERYthing -- life, love, friends, home -- in order to win. Why can't we just have something left at the end?

Anyways, depressing rant over. Let's let ME1 Kaidan sum up my feelings.

Less of this: 



More of this:

Modifié par Kolotosa, 20 avril 2012 - 02:53 .