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[Caseshep]

IsaacShep wrote...

What I don't like the most in the Jennifer article is how they mention "A/K character". There goes our hope BW won't treat Ash & Kaidan as the same character

Yeah.. From the article, there was the part where Hale wanted to add her own sighs and things, but they told her she couldn't because it has to match up perfectly with MShep's lines. So maybe from a technical standpoint, they have to treat Ashley and Kaidan as the same person? I don't really know. That's really no excuse, I don't want them to be the same character either, just trying to think of a reason they would do that.

Criz-Zone wrote...
but jumping to conclusions based on a
wee bit of info that's out of context just seems like it's not helpful
and only causes ... well, panic as we saw

I didn't mean to cause panic , I just thought everyone would like to hear a little Kaidan news.. Like I said, I initially thought the dialogue was between Shep and Kaidan/Ash so the "let him/her go" could be about someone else. That's probably me being hopeful though.

Modifié par Caseshep, 13 août 2011 - 09:39 .

[FireEye]

IsaacShep wrote...

What I don't like the most in the Jennifer article is how they mention "A/K character". There goes our hope BW won't treat Ash & Kaidan as the same character

They have to share the same role and character arc.  It's possible that they'll still have their individual quirks and speech patterns, although they may not diverge much (like Horizon) beyond the romance arcs.

Anyhow.  I should probably add ME3 to the list of things I shouldn't talk about. 

[Criz]

nah, don't worry, we're glad to get some news
it's just the usual pre-game-release-jump-to-conclusions-with-every-scrap-of-info-we-get-syndrome <_<

ToP again?!
close to midnight, so I guess tomorrow's daily sketch will be done super-early

FireEye wrote...
Anyhow.  I should probably add ME3 to the list of things I shouldn't talk about.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

well, this is the ME3 Kaidan thread after all ... maybe I should just migrate to the old Kaidan support thread if I don't like it ... is that one even active anymore?!

Modifié par Criz-Zone, 13 août 2011 - 09:53 .

[Caseshep]

The KAST isn't as active as this thread, but I think it's a bit active...

[FireEye]

Criz-Zone wrote...

well, this is the ME3 Kaidan thread after all ... maybe I should just migrate to the old Kaidan support thread if I don't like it ... is that one even active anymore?!

I think you should stick around here.  Positivity is a good thing. 

[Caseshep]

Here. I'm lightening up the thread with a googly-eyed Kaidan.

[FireEye]

Caseshep wrote...

Here. I'm lightening up the thread with a googly-eyed Kaidan.

GROPING TIME NOW!

[Caseshep]

I don't have many personal groping screenshots. I must go back to ME1 and get some.

[Kia Purity]

...same >.> I must learn how to use the fly camera. (I still bow to you, FireEye for the funny ones!)

[Criz]

ToP is updated and Sunday's tweet is sent to Casey
my work here is done for today ...

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

What I don't like the most in the Jennifer article is how they mention "A/K character". There goes our hope BW won't treat Ash & Kaidan as the same character

It is possible that they could do like Horizon where the "official" Alliance representative is interchangable but I do not see the personal scenes to be the same. In the fight Ashley is a soldier and Kaidan is a sexy man who should run around naked sentinel so that should be different. Party banter should be different too since Ashley seems to be a "realist" and Kaidan is waiting to put the moves on Shepard more of an "idealist" I guess.

[rapscallioness]

Wow, thank you Caseshep for that article clip. That is definitely some food for my overactive imagination......

[rapscallioness]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

what if the VS is about to kill someone Shepard doesn't want to get killed?!

That was my take on the situation. I immediately imagined Ashley about to shoot Miranda (Aliance loyalist versus Cerberus loyalist, anyone?) or even Jacob...

In any case, ME3 has definitely promised tons of dramatic scenes and tough choices... and I'm very excited to see how they play out!

That was my feeling, too. The "her/him" could just be because depending on the game we don't know who could be alive...to get accosted maybe not killed, but definitely accosted). Miranda may, or may not be dead and same w/ Jacob, etc.

I was wondering what abt. everybody else on the crew that's working with Cerberus? Wouldn't they be in some trouble, too? Not as much as Shep, but...wow.

[syllogi]

Caseshep wrote...

Okay, I can't remember if we talked about the New Yorker article about Jennifer Hale, but I finally read the whole thing at the library, and there's some nice stuff about the VS in there. It can be found here if you are a subscriber or want to pay for the article.
Otherwise, here is what it says about Ashley/Kaidan (except the writer spelled it "Kaiden" <_<) And I'm skipping over some to avoid some sort of copyright jazz and also because it sort of summarizes info we already know from ME1 and 2. DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT ME3 SPOILERS.

Toward the end of her day at the studio, Hale came to a scene with a character referred to as A/K. It was the most emotional scene of the day, and also one of the most technically tricky, because of the ways that players' choices in Mass Effect 1 and 2 carry over into the new sequel.

blah blah blah, story of Virmire...

...and, in Mass Effect 2, whichever of the two was saved reappears to remonstrate with him or her. The result of that conversation which can play out in various ways, determines how the character of A/K wll interact with Shepard in Mass Effect 3.The new scene involved a tense exchange between Shepard and A/K. The first line of the scene was simple enough. "Let her/him go." but Hale had to say it multiple times, with different emphases, in order to communicate every possible state of alarm with which Shepard would react to A/K.
...
Two were growly, hateful takes, and two were hard, urgent takes.
...
She was then told that her lines had to be recorded as though she were running. "I have a question," Hale said. "It's pretty emotional for Shepard here. How big do you want it?" Walters explained that he wanted Shepard to seem like more of a "real character" in this game, a character who showed "his frailty."
...
"I want Shepard's vulnerability to come out, even though not every player will choose to experience it."
...
Hale's next line was "No!" Livingstone turned to Walters and asked, "Is this a panicked 'No' or an angry 'No'?"
"It's a" -Walters hesitated- "futile 'No.'"
Hale nodded, "No!", she said, stirringly, a moment later.
"More compassion," Livingstone said. "Less heightened."
Hales tried again, and her "No!" seemed to emerge from some alarmed, half-strangled place in her throat.


Sooooo, interesting dialogue, eh? I just wonder who him/her refers to and which pronoun goes with which VS. To the VS him/herself? That would imply someone has a hold of him/her? Or is it "let go" in an emotional sense? That's what I thought originally because the article implies that Shep is speaking directly to the VS.

This is very interesting, thanks for transcribing it!

I am very worried now, though.  The VS deserves not to be another "emotional sacrifice" in this game.   

[shepskisaac]

Definitely seems to me like VS is about to do something to someone Shep cares about. Perhaps this is a scene in case Shep romances Miranda/Jacob? Or something similar to Wrex on Virmire? I really don't wanna get worried yet, I hope :/

[rapscallioness]

IsaacShep wrote...

Definitely seems to me like VS is about to do something to someone Shep cares about. Perhaps this is a scene in case Shep romances Miranda/Jacob? Or something similar to Wrex on Virmire? I really don't wanna get worried yet, I hope :/

Don't be worried. I think whatever happens, Kaidan will be alright...or have the option to be alright. Casey did say something once in response to a fan asking abt. Shep.s that wanna get wed. He said, " we've got you covered".

So, sounds like some kinda happily ever after ending will be available. It might not be an easy road to get there.

Honestly, I don't think Kaidan is going to be any too pleased w/ us. At least at first. Idk what kinda of info he has abt. what we did. The "Galactic news" thing paints a very bad pic of Shep. She's "surrounded herself w/ criminals, killers and mercenaries.....we'd like to know where she's been..........and what she's doing."

He was upset abt us showing up w/ Cerberus...and ditching him for 2 years. Apparently, from what I can tell no one knows, or believes Shep was actually dead. Except M s. Liara.

So, apparently we've been blowing up prison ships; busting out dangerous criminals..etc, etc. Then Arrival. I don't see how he could be cool with it, especially because he loves Shepard.

However, I do think it'll work out. Not to worry.<3

[nranola]

Criz-Zone wrote...

be careful with things that are out of context
we don't even know if the VS is the one who's endangered, what happens between the VS and Shepard at some point etcetc. what if the VS is about to kill someone Shepard doesn't want to get killed?!

It's possible, but why the "him/her" part? Which other characters are gender-specific dependent on Shepard's decisions?

Hmm... Could be that this is the result of "cheating" on Kaidan in ME2. Hostage could be the ME2 LI? Though I really can't see Kaidan holding someone at gunpoint because of jealousy. Not unless... you know... he isn't quite himself. *knock on wood*

Caseshep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

What I don't like the most in the Jennifer article is how they mention "A/K character". There goes our hope BW won't treat Ash &amp;&nbsp;Kaidan as the same character

Yeah.. From the article, there was the part where Hale wanted to add her own sighs and things, but they told her she couldn't because it has to match up perfectly with MShep's lines. So maybe from a technical standpoint, they have to treat Ashley and Kaidan as the same person? I don't really know. That's really no excuse, I don't want them to be the same character either, just trying to think of a reason they would do that.

I really hope they don't treat all scenes, or a substantial amount of it, like "A/K". It would be grand to see both characters forge their own paths in the galaxy. Even though they're both Virmire Survivors, they're not the same people, and it'd be one helluva coincidence if they made the same decisions for everything from that point onwards.

That said, if the writers are determined to write them as separate characters, I'd guess this "Let him/her go" scene is a key point in the story. Maybe something attributed to their Spectre status? Or to them simply being an LI, but they did call it an "A/K" scene specifically, so I dunno about that.

rapscallioness wrote...

I was wondering what abt. everybody else on the crew that's working with Cerberus? Wouldn't they be in some trouble, too? Not as much as Shep, but...wow.

Just being part of Cerberus gets them in trouble, I think, but hopefully Shepard will have a chance to plead their case. I want Ken and Gabby back in ME3. >__<

Modifié par nranola, 14 août 2011 - 03:27 .

[Caseshep]

rapscallioness wrote...

That was my feeling, too. The "her/him" could just be because depending on the game we don't know who could be alive...to get accosted maybe not killed, but definitely accosted). Miranda may, or may not be dead and same w/ Jacob, etc.

Yeah if it's another suicide mission type thing (not the exact same, I just mean where you pick certain people to do certain things. Or it could be dependent on your team at the time), then something happens to that other person and Shep knows its 'futile' but Kai/Ash doesn't want to let them go.
I DON'T KNOW. 

We're all overthinking this wayyyyy too much.

rapscallioness wrote...
However, I do think it'll work out. Not to worry.

We need more optimism like this. 


I mean....
I'm waiting for this to happen in ME3. And I don't think we'll be disappointed.

by phantomfan

Modifié par Caseshep, 14 août 2011 - 03:39 .

[shepskisaac]

I'm all up for any scenario, as long as there's a way to save Kaidan. It would be too much if after Virmire, he would be again in such situation without a possibility of getting out of it alive. Seriously, no characters had it worse than Ash/Kai. You could save everyone during SM, you could save Wrex, there was no possibility whatsoever to save BOTH Ash/Kaidan. Make someone else a scapegoat now. I suggest Tali ^^

[Caseshep]

@IsaacShep

shhhhhhhh the Talimancers will hear you and start war!

[nranola]

^

Nooo not Tali!

Agreed with the rest though. I think it's only fair that the VS be given a higher survival rate come ME3. Not getting a chance to save Kaidan would be too cruel, especially to those who've expertly navigated ME2's lovey-dovey landmines for a chance to be with him again.

Page needs more Kaidan.

Modifié par nranola, 14 août 2011 - 05:17 .

[FireEye]

nranola wrote...

Page needs more Kaidan.

[Kaidan]

...

[shepskisaac]

I've been thinking of possible choices that will affect the way VS treats our Sheps in ME3... Hmmm... The New Yorker article says both ME1 & ME2 choices will influence that... But it kind of doesn't make sense to me, regarding ME2 choice(s). The obvious choice from ME1 influencing the different behavior would be romanced/un-romanced VS. Romanced VS kind of apologizes to Shep in the email, so it's a different situation than in case of Shep that didn't romance VS. No-romance Shep's interaction with VS ends on Horizon exchange. And here's the issue. Romanced VS sends the same, kind of 'sorry' email to Shep no matter what Shep says to him/her on Horizon. So why would there be any difference in the way VS treats Shep in ME3? Romanced VS sees the current post-Horizon situation/relationship with Shep the same way no matter what Shep said on Horizon. So in that case, why would un-romanced VS see the the relations with Shep differently depending on what Shep said on Horizon? Doesn't it mean that the only choice that will influence the behavior of VS will be whether we romanced him/her or not? Or am I missing something? Help! ;P

[nranola]

You do know how to make me smile, Fire. <3

Modifié par nranola, 14 août 2011 - 07:58 .

[FireEye]

IsaacShep wrote...

I've been thinking of possible choices that will affect the way VS treats our Sheps in ME3... Hmmm... The New Yorker article says both ME1 & ME2 choices will influence that... But it kind of doesn't make sense to me, regarding ME2 choice(s). The obvious choice from ME1 influencing the different behavior would be romanced/un-romanced VS. Romanced VS kind of apologizes to Shep in the email, so it's a different situation than in case of Shep that didn't romance VS. No-romance Shep's interaction with VS ends on Horizon exchange. And here's the issue. Romanced VS sends the same, kind of 'sorry' email to Shep no matter what Shep says to him/her on Horizon. So why would there be any difference in the way VS treats Shep in ME3? Romanced VS sees the current post-Horizon situation/relationship with Shep the same way no matter what Shep said on Horizon. So in that case, why would un-romanced VS see the the relations with Shep differently depending on what Shep said on Horizon? Doesn't it mean that the only choice that will influence the behavior of VS will be whether we romanced him/her or not? Or am I missing something? Help! ;P

What you say to Kelly and Joker comes to mind.

nranola wrote...

You do know how to make me smile, Fire. <3

<3

...er.  ToP:



:innocent:

Modifié par FireEye, 14 août 2011 - 05:46 .