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[TamiBx]

Kolotosa wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Question question question: if you "cheat" on Kaidan (not that I'm planning on), can you say "we were on a break" or something like that? Because every video I've seem so far picks the first option and Shepard says she is sorry...

Not exactly. You can outright apologise for it, you can lie about it, or you can pick a slightly more pragmatic option, Shepard says she did it because the fight on Horizon really threw her; it's not exactly an apology, more of a "yeah well, you were a jerk" and Kaidan's like "yeah, pretty much" and then they be all mature about it like adults or something, wtf.

Found a video:

 

Thank you~ 


edit: can you still romance him even if you pick that option? Because, honestly, I don't feel like apologizing is the best choice here...I love Kaidan, but...yeah. 

Modifié par TamiBx, 30 avril 2012 - 12:19 .

[LastFadingSmile]

legbamel, I love you.

[LadyofRivendell]

Kaidan! Kaidan everywhere!

Watching my friend play ME1 the other day, I realized that I had actually missed all of Kaidan's battle cries... "Enemies everywhere! Go go go! I will destroy you!" At one point, she (my friend) said, "Who the heck keeps shouting?!"
Much to my dismay, she found it enjoyable to be rude to everyone sans Wrex, and only took Wrex and Garrus along with her on missions... Kaidan just sounded so disappointed when she would shut him down in the middle of a chat, you could tell he wanted to say more, to just sit back and chat with his CO... How can anyone be mean to him?! I just wanted to give him a big hug after that.

[legbamel]

Kolotosa wrote...
legbamel, I love you.

:wub::wub:
Mmmmm...wha?  Oh, <3 you, too.

:wub::wub:

Modifié par legbamel, 30 avril 2012 - 12:19 .

[LadyofRivendell]

legbamel wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...
-snip-

For me ME works on that time span because you ARE shown doing things all of the time.  It's just that pesky things like eating and sleeping and waiting while supplies and fuel are replenished aren't shown.  But if you're visiting every planet in an entire cluster and then driving around one or two per system for several hours each that takes a lot of time.  Zipping across the galaxy every few missions to visit the Citadel takes a lot of time.

It's like DA:O--the distances and the method of travel requires far more time than you're shown.  They don't have the resources to show you making dinner and Alistair and Zevran arguing over who has to do the dishes (fun though that would be) and really the downtime would be boring.  But they try to show relationship and character development.  The only way to do that is to build in a little down time and let you extrapolate the rest.

Personally, deep love interests that explode after a few weeks strike me as false.  I like the idea that it takes months to really draw Kaidan out of his shell, to get to a point where he can no longer resist (and then there's Joker, interrupting).  Lust at first sight is all well and good but love...ah, that takes a lot longer to build.
[firmly puts soap box in fireplace and strikes a match] 

I think it works great for DA:O, because you build relationships at your own speed, but for things like ME and DA2 where interactions happen only after specific spots... I dunno. I'm not saying it happens within a matter of weeks, I think I commented my headcanon was around 4 months or something (clearly not a strong headcanon, since I can't even remember it ) Or maybe I'm just really impatient  To me, it just doesn't feel as if the characters have known each other for longer than 6 months, but that's just me.

I still think it takes a few months, and I love that, too! Don't think I'm saying they jump each other after two weeks  I'm one of those hopeless romantics who loves a slow but steady buildup, which is why the 4-6 month timeline seemed to fit in my head. I was just saying that something like DA2's relationships have really skewed development paths, IMO, due to the 10 year game stretch. I've only ever romanced Anders, but only flirting for four years seems really odd to me. (Then again, I've never been in a relationship really so I can't say if this is just my own skewed thinking) The arc there seems like something that would've fit better over a 6-8ish month buildup, then a year's gap by the time Act 3 hits. It just didn't strike me as a relationship that had spanned over ten years, you'd think that if they were still solidly together that they'd have a much deeper connection. 
I'm all for moving slow, but I'm not dial-up slow.

Not that I'm saying "You're wrong, I'm right". Just adding to the thoughts  And I didn't know soap was flammable...?

[legbamel]

Just the box. 

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, either, just explain how it works in my head.  And I totally agree that the utter lack of changes over the gaps in Kirkwall make the 10-year span difficult to swallow.  I tried addressing that second gap in a fan fic but I had to pull events from the third act to explain the character development because, really, WTF was Hawke doing for three freaking years?

[Kyria Nyriese]

legbamel wrote...

Just the box. 

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, either, just explain how it works in my head.  And I totally agree that the utter lack of changes over the gaps in Kirkwall make the 10-year span difficult to swallow.  I tried addressing that second gap in a fan fic but I had to pull events from the third act to explain the character development because, really, WTF was Hawke doing for three freaking years?

Note I'm not talking something like what happened in DA2, I am talking the story taking place, with the events there, and how long it takes it to happen.  The three year jumps in DA2 were to startling, to drastic.

I am more referring to the background that the story takes place over x period of time.  So more of the lore showing the length of time.

[LastFadingSmile]

In DA2 it was bad, too, because the narrative told you that there had been a time gap, but at the same time it didn't really acknowledge it. Like the break between Act 1 and Act 2; you get back from the Deep Roads, Varric goes off to sell the crap you found. Time Break. 3 years have passed. Varric gives Bodahn the money he earned. Really, it conveniently took 3 years for Varric to get the cash for selling your stuff? It was the odd breaks like that which really killed the framed narrative structure for me.

The romance thing I can almost explain away; likewise, I only ever romanced Anders, and I could rationalise it by saying that he was trying to distance himself from Hawke during all that time because of Justice --barely, anyways; it's still problematic. It's silly that it has to be justified, because it feels so unnatural. I sometimes wonder if they had had a plan to do timegap DLC that just got abandoned when the game flopped on its face.

For Mass Effect, I share legbamel's viewpoint of things, only because that also makes the most sense in my mind.

And this laptop is really uncomfortable to post from. XD

Modifié par Kolotosa, 30 avril 2012 - 12:56 .

[LadyofRivendell]

Isn't there some sort of official timeline for ME? Because now that we're all talking about it, I've started analyzing it more, and it's just going to bother me until I get a straight answer.
This is why I try not to think about the technical stuff while playing games, it almost never actually makes sense in context...

Hmm.. There's this: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline which cements the timespan of three years for the trilogy.
But now another question arises - What was Shep doing between defeating the Collectors, helping Liara with the Shadow Broker, and Arrival? My Shep wouldn't just sit around on a Cerberus ship with a Cerberus crew after she was free from the Collector threat and TIM's influences.

That timeline sure has a lot about Kaidan... It almost seems like he's the most fleshed out of any of the characters mentioned there...

[Kia Purity]

I'm just going to assume that the whole time between Arrival and Reaper's attack on Earth-- Shepard's been locked up for what, six months? X_x

[Kyria Nyriese]

Kia Purity wrote...

I'm just going to assume that the whole time between Arrival and Reaper's attack on Earth-- Shepard's been locked up for what, six months? X_x

That is what is indicated by the story.  So the attack happens six months after Arrival.  As for what Shepard was doing between destroying the Collector Base and LotSB and Arrival, well I would say trying to get her ship fixed, trying to avoid Cerberus and trying to arrange returning to the Alliance (if so inclined).

[Ainyan42]

Kia Purity wrote...

I'm just going to assume that the whole time between Arrival and Reaper's attack on Earth-- Shepard's been locked up for what, six months? X_x

Yeah. From what I understand, the 'canon' is that Shep did Arrival, then finished up any little things she had to do (mine never have anything left to do), then went to Earth and presented herself for trial. LotSB is supposed to occur during 2 before the Collector Base (technically).

[Kia Purity]

I really wish they hadn't removed the trial I really wanted to see that play out.

[LadyofRivendell]

Kia Purity wrote...

I really wish they hadn't removed the trial I really wanted to see that play out.

Ooh, they actually had a trial to begin with? All I remember was back in July-ish when Mr. Hudson said something like "Well, the term trial is a bit misleading".

[MageTarot]

legbamel wrote...

Just the box. 

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, either, just explain how it works in my head.  And I totally agree that the utter lack of changes over the gaps in Kirkwall make the 10-year span difficult to swallow.  I tried addressing that second gap in a fan fic but I had to pull events from the third act to explain the character development because, really, WTF was Hawke doing for three freaking years?

If I could just jump in here for my take on this...

It was my understanding that the DLC's that came out for DAII ("Legacy" and "Mark of the Assassin") were to have taken place in the gaps between years. I don't know if you've played them or not but if you have, remember that the setup was pretty much the same as the main game - Varric telling Seeker Pentaghast about one of Hawke's adventures. 

It was stated that there was supposed to have been an expansion for DAII much like "Awakening" for DA:O but was scrapped (I'm guessing poor word-of-mouth about the game) in favor of starting work on DA3.  Pity though - I liked DA2 and thought that an expansion would have brought clarity and closure to Hawke's - and his companions - story...and dang if I just didn't experience mega deja-vu just now!

[Kia Purity]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

I really wish they hadn't removed the trial I really wanted to see that play out.

Ooh, they actually had a trial to begin with? All I remember was back in July-ish when Mr. Hudson said something like "Well, the term trial is a bit misleading".

They did! Then one of the devs announced that they removed it on the BSN forums all "We couldn't quite make it work right."

It was one of the things I was really looking forwards in ME3. D: Perhaps, I'm going to have to write a fanfiction version of that, boo.

[dstrawberrygirl]

sagequeen wrote...

 Hey guys. So, um, you said to keep dropping off updates, so I shall do so:

Ragnarok, Chapter 5: Knowing

since i had plans for that reunion and all.  also much shenko smut. you've been warned.

and on fanfic.net

*snip*

 

Yey, another splendid chapter! I love this story, thanks so much for letting us know!

[JohnTSCC]

is it me or does Kaiden looks like Brain Austin Green?

[Kyria Nyriese]

JohnTSCC wrote...

is it me or does Kaiden looks like Brain Austin Green?

Not sure who that is, but I do admit that Kaidan is hot hot hot

Modifié par Kyria Nyriese, 30 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[chibievil]

so i have been playing me2 on and off today, since i keep getting headaches, but when i eat or drink it goes away. So far just got tali and everyone Except Garrus and Tali wants me to do loyalty mission, which i will avoid till TIM wants me to get IFF.
i want to know if Bailey acts differently if you never ever go see him at citadel. i only went there to get Kasumi and haven't met him yet hehe.
i am still waiting for TIM to talk to me in debriefing room, not read my emails since before Horizon as i know it activates the Arrival DLC and don't want to do that till AFTER the last mission. I want to do all DLC after the end game (except Kasumi and Zaeed missions hehe.
but i will do those two if Tim don't talk to me soon

[LadyofRivendell]

Yes! Proofreading my latest fic that I just finished, will post a link if anyone's interested once it's published.


Ah, our dear old friend, the drooling icon...

[dstrawberrygirl]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Yes! Proofreading my latest fic that I just finished, will post a link if anyone's interested once it's published.


Ah, our dear old friend, the drooling icon...

oh interested for sure, it can only lead to mirth and merriment, I'm sure!

[TamiBx]

JohnTSCC wrote...

is it me or does Kaiden looks like Brain Austin Green?

Hm...I don't think they look alike. Kaidan looks more like Danny Pino, imo... 

[frylock23]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

legbamel wrote...

Just the box. 

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, either, just explain how it works in my head.  And I totally agree that the utter lack of changes over the gaps in Kirkwall make the 10-year span difficult to swallow.  I tried addressing that second gap in a fan fic but I had to pull events from the third act to explain the character development because, really, WTF was Hawke doing for three freaking years?

Note I'm not talking something like what happened in DA2, I am talking the story taking place, with the events there, and how long it takes it to happen.  The three year jumps in DA2 were to startling, to drastic.

I am more referring to the background that the story takes place over x period of time.  So more of the lore showing the length of time.

Yeah, the time pacing in DA2 was as bad as Star Wars Epi III where the only frame of reference we have to let us know that Anakin's fall to the Dark Side took approximately 9 months is Amidala's pregnancy, and since they pretty well hid that ... you're lacking even that visual cue for much of the movie making it seem like Anakin went from good guy to bad guy in a few days.

That's sort of how DA2 felt to me. They could tell me all they wanted that it took 10 years for the whole story to take place, but the narrative and the character development never believably reflected that nor did the city change to show that with Fenris' mansion being maybe the worst example.

Heck, the ME story and romance arcs feel like they are developed over a much longer period of time than any of the DA2 ones and we know that's not the case.

Modifié par frylock23, 30 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[frylock23]

Kia Purity wrote...

I really wish they hadn't removed the trial I really wanted to see that play out.

Agreed. I was really looking forward to that and I think it would have been the best way to ease new players into the storyline like the opening sequence in the shuttle of ME2 where Miranda asks you to re-affirm your major choices from ME1.

But I guess they felt it would bore too many of the shooter kiddies or something.