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[Caseshep]

yoshibb wrote...

Greer wrote...

So, "some deaths are unavoidable". Is anyone else concerned about this in conjunction with the VS bits revealed in Jennifer Hale's New Yorker interview?

Wait, what bits? I hadn't heard about this since I can't read that whole interview.

And some deaths are unavoidable could mean that deaths happen. Doesn't necessarily mean that one person in particular has to die. It would ****** me off to no end if I didn't at least have a choice like I did with Kaidan and Ashley.

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Yes, but some people love that sort of tragedy. It makes the game more real, than just..."herpderp everything is okay, no one dies!"

Geirahod wrote...

yes, deaths are unavoidable during war...

*snif*
I like Thane, but I don't think they are going to cure him for ME3....maybe he will do something to save someone (probably Shepard, since he call her Siha (even if you didn't romance him)...

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

I like Thane too, so I hope he doesn't die. But at least if he does, they set us up for it from the beginning so it won't be a big shocker.

Modifié par Caseshep, 18 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[AiLeO]

Nevermind. The article really sounds like Ashley or Kaidan have someone and Shepard is trying to talk them down. I have no idea what's happening, with the dialog being so out of context. I wonder if this is the first time you will meet up with them in game?

Modifié par AiLeO, 18 août 2011 - 05:37 .

[Ellyria]

 Looks like they're doing a live Q&A tomorrow as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say "I hope Kashley Willenko won't be making an appearance in ME3, but Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko will", in 140 characters or less, WITHOUT sounding like a complete douche. 

[yoshibb]

Thanks, that's pretty interesting.

I'm good with death, I'm just not good with death for the sake of death. Let me explain. Say in the example in the article that Kaidan/Ashley is in a hostage situation. One possible outcome is that based on your interactions with them or your decisions during a mission, K/A is killed which result in the futile 'no'

However, if your reactions are different, there should be a way to avoid that death. Maybe there are consequences for that later on, maybe other people get killed because you let this person go to save A/K. That's good storytelling to me. Not just 'Haha, we killed your favorite character! Now you'll go cry! Yay, emotion!'

That's where I feel a lot of people go wrong. They just stick a death in there because it's such an emotional trigger. But it's hollow and causes more anger than sadness.

ME2 deaths did this. So Samara can somehow hold up a barrier longer cause you found her daughter? Or Legion can't work a terminal cause he's not loyal to you? That doesn't make sense to me. What would've made sense was when TIM is talking to Shepard and Shepard refuses to hand over the base, Miranda should've pulled a gun on him/her. Because she is loyal to TIM still and Shepard has done nothing to gain her trust. Shepard realizes that this wouldn't have happened if s/he had simply done the mission that Miranda wanted to.

That's what I wanted out of that mission, betrayal, indoctrination, etc. Instead I got, 'well I can no longer function in combat because you didn't help me save my son!'

But even if a death is inevitable, you can still make a choice. That's what made the VS decision so awesome. I didn't feel like I was shoehorned into anything because I made the choice of who would die. So I felt regret about choosing Ashley because I did it partially because I loved Kaidan. I mourned her death and felt responsible. If it was simply, ok Ashley dies now, nothing you can do, I would've been pissed and the sadness I felt would be hollow.

So yeah, you can kill people, you can even kill my favorite character (Ash was my 2nd favorite behind Kaidan), but it better be because Shepard was an ****** or it's a choice between two things. I will be incredibly pissed to the point of returning the game if ME3 decided they were going to kill the VS and there is nothing you can do about it.

[mineralica]

I love it how main forum gets some Kaidan-related ideas some time after this thread. Look, someone else caught a resemblance.

Oh, and this:

Funkcase wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/103926795446915072
"Hmm.
@PWatamaniuk?? '@JGr4nlund: In ME3, can i have two permanent squadmates
of the same class for my ME3 "Core-squad"? eg. Kaidan/Miranda' "

twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/103928275461615616
"Choosing one squad member doesn't stop another member from being available. Each henchman has a unique loadout"

twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/103928547617415168
"There is some overlap in powers. Both Ashley+Garrus have Concussive Shot for example. Does that answer question?"
<...>

Is the best news since... I don't know even since what.

Modifié par mineralica, 18 août 2011 - 06:27 .

[Caseshep]

Chylise wrote...

 Looks like they're doing a live Q&A tomorrow as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say "I hope Kashley Willenko won't be making an appearance in ME3, but Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko will", in 140 characters or less, WITHOUT sounding like a complete douche. 

Do ittttttt.

[Criz]

do it for us who are in Germany and for once don't have to stay up throughout the night, buuuut are at work >_<

[Ellyria]

Caseshep wrote...

Chylise wrote...

 Looks like they're doing a live Q&A tomorrow as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say "I hope Kashley Willenko won't be making an appearance in ME3, but Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko will", in 140 characters or less, WITHOUT sounding like a complete douche. 

Do ittttttt.

Hah! I plan to, but it's hard trying to get my point across in 130ish characters. So far I have "Will Kaidan/Ashley be portrayed as individuals in ME3, and not as the same person like in their ME2 cameo?"

[WhoKnew]

Chylise wrote...

Caseshep wrote...

Chylise wrote...

 Looks like they're doing a live Q&A tomorrow as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say "I hope Kashley Willenko won't be making an appearance in ME3, but Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko will", in 140 characters or less, WITHOUT sounding like a complete douche. 

Do ittttttt.

Hah! I plan to, but it's hard trying to get my point across in 130ish characters. So far I have "Will Kaidan/Ashley be portrayed as individuals in ME3, and not as the same person like in their ME2 cameo?"

I really love this, I hope they pick it. The Q&A at ComicCon was mostly just the wait for the twitter questions to come through. It was awkward just to watch on BioWare Pulse. 

[oyukichan]

WhoKnew wrote...

Chylise wrote...

Caseshep wrote...

Chylise wrote...

 Looks like they're doing a live Q&A tomorrow as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say "I hope Kashley Willenko won't be making an appearance in ME3, but Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko will", in 140 characters or less, WITHOUT sounding like a complete douche. 

Do ittttttt.

Hah! I plan to, but it's hard trying to get my point across in 130ish characters. So far I have "Will Kaidan/Ashley be portrayed as individuals in ME3, and not as the same person like in their ME2 cameo?"

I really love this, I hope they pick it. The Q&A at ComicCon was mostly just the wait for the twitter questions to come through. It was awkward just to watch on BioWare Pulse. 

Here's what I've already found, retweeted, and will try and retweet again tomorrow:

"RT @Quaay00 @biofeed In #ME3 will Kaidan and Ashley have unique storylines or be interchangeable?"

This was not my original tweet, so, Rock on, Quaay! We should all tweet this during the next Q&A.

[oyukichan]

Double post. D'oh!

Modifié par AurinShepard, 18 août 2011 - 08:32 .

[Ellyria]

WhoKnew wrote...

Chylise wrote...

Hah! I plan to, but it's hard trying to get my point across in 130ish characters. So far I have "Will Kaidan/Ashley be portrayed as individuals in ME3, and not as the same person like in their ME2 cameo?"

I really love this, I hope they pick it. The Q&A at ComicCon was mostly just the wait for the twitter questions to come through. It was awkward just to watch on BioWare Pulse. 

I hope they pick it too! They picked my Dragon Age 2 question during the Q&A today, and I squeed like a nerdy fangirl. 

If anyone else who has twitter wants to copy&paste it to send for Q&A, feel free! Hopefully the more of us that ask, the higher chance that it will be picked! (Like the one guy today who kept spamming that he wanted his question answered, and then it turned out to be "Can I marry Tali?" <_< )

[oyukichan]

Caseshep wrote...

Okay, I can't remember if we talked about the New Yorker article about Jennifer Hale, but I finally read the whole thing at the library, and there's some nice stuff about the VS in there. It can be found here if you are a subscriber or want to pay for the article.
Otherwise, here is what it says about Ashley/Kaidan (except the writer spelled it "Kaiden" <_<) And I'm skipping over some to avoid some sort of copyright jazz and also because it sort of summarizes info we already know from ME1 and 2. DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT ME3 SPOILERS.

Toward the end of her day at the studio, Hale came to a scene with a character referred to as A/K. It was the most emotional scene of the day, and also one of the most technically tricky, because of the ways that players' choices in Mass Effect 1 and 2 carry over into the new sequel.

blah blah blah, story of Virmire...

...and, in Mass Effect 2, whichever of the two was saved reappears to remonstrate with him or her. The result of that conversation which can play out in various ways, determines how the character of A/K wll interact with Shepard in Mass Effect 3.The new scene involved a tense exchange between Shepard and A/K. The first line of the scene was simple enough. "Let her/him go." but Hale had to say it multiple times, with different emphases, in order to communicate every possible state of alarm with which Shepard would react to A/K.
...
Two were growly, hateful takes, and two were hard, urgent takes.
...
She was then told that her lines had to be recorded as though she were running. "I have a question," Hale said. "It's pretty emotional for Shepard here. How big do you want it?" Walters explained that he wanted Shepard to seem like more of a "real character" in this game, a character who showed "his frailty."
...
"I want Shepard's vulnerability to come out, even though not every player will choose to experience it."
...
Hale's next line was "No!" Livingstone turned to Walters and asked, "Is this a panicked 'No' or an angry 'No'?"
"It's a" -Walters hesitated- "futile 'No.'"
Hale nodded, "No!", she said, stirringly, a moment later.
"More compassion," Livingstone said. "Less heightened."
Hales tried again, and her "No!" seemed to emerge from some alarmed, half-strangled place in her throat.


Sooooo, interesting dialogue, eh? I just wonder who him/her refers to and which pronoun goes with which VS. To the VS him/herself? That would imply someone has a hold of him/her? Or is it "let go" in an emotional sense? That's what I thought originally because the article implies that Shep is speaking directly to the VS.

Sorry re-quoting because I am 5-days late to this discussion. The way I read it, it seems like A/K could be Ashley/Kaidan holding someone else hostage. I'm thinking perhaps your ME2 LI, if you cheated. Casey did say cheating would have repercussions.

Seems like fabulous, emotional drama to me. If it is cheating related, I look forward to encountering this with my renegon cheater femShep's play through.

[Joisan]

Oh my gosh, Aurin, thank you for requoting that. I've been a bit lax in keeping up with the BSN lately because my boyfriend got me sucked into the world of Pokemon Hey, I've got to do something to fill my gaming time until ME3 comes out, right? But oh my gosh, the thought that how Horizon plays out for your character has implications in ME3... I think I just had a nerdgasm! I want ME3 nao!!!

[rapscallioness]

I think the "some deaths are unavoidable" thing will be more like an Arrival situation. Innocent civilians, but shepard didn't have much choice............the sacrifice. That cut my shepard, too, tho. Even tho I didn't know them and I had to do it, it was hard.."knowing" what I did.

(And the ship seemed eerily quiet after that particular dlc. I played it at the end of game....and the usual bustling, talking noises were gone. All other noises were there footsteps etc., but even my space hamster wouldn't..."beep" at me. Is that a bug? Or is everyone appalled? )

[FireEye]

AurinShepard wrote...

Sorry re-quoting because I am 5-days late to this discussion. The way I read it, it seems like A/K could be Ashley/Kaidan holding someone else hostage. I'm thinking perhaps your ME2 LI, if you cheated. Casey did say cheating would have repercussions.

Seems like fabulous, emotional drama to me. If it is cheating related, I look forward to encountering this with my renegon cheater femShep's play through.

Problem is, neither Kaidan nor Ashley have been presented as the type to take hostages.  Or vengeful retribution for being dumped. 

[Joisan]

A/K is obviously Ashley/Kaidan, though. Nothing else fits. But this is one of those situations where it won't make sense until we have the whole picture

[Rinji the Bearded]

AurinShepard wrote...

Sorry re-quoting because I am 5-days late to this discussion. The way I read it, it seems like A/K could be Ashley/Kaidan holding someone else hostage. I'm thinking perhaps your ME2 LI, if you cheated. Casey did say cheating would have repercussions.

Seems like fabulous, emotional drama to me. If it is cheating related, I look forward to encountering this with my renegon cheater femShep's play through.

Sheesh... I would hate to see them do that.    I may love Kaidan but that is behavior that asks for a bullet in the brain.
Admittedly, when I read that article that's what I interpreted as well, but ... I just can't wrap my head around either of them doing such a thing.  Even when unromanced, knowing that they would be capable of that is just... ugh.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 18 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[oyukichan]

FireEye wrote...

AurinShepard wrote...

Sorry re-quoting because I am 5-days late to this discussion. The way I read it, it seems like A/K could be Ashley/Kaidan holding someone else hostage. I'm thinking perhaps your ME2 LI, if you cheated. Casey did say cheating would have repercussions.

Seems like fabulous, emotional drama to me. If it is cheating related, I look forward to encountering this with my renegon cheater femShep's play through.

Problem is, neither Kaidan nor Ashley have been presented as the type to take hostages.  Or vengeful retribution for being dumped. 

What you say is truth. But, unless the reporter or the original transcriber typo'd, the dialogue is described as an exchange between Shepard and A/K. Meaning Shep is telling A/K to let whoever it is go.

It makes me interested in seeing exactly what happened to make Kaidan take someone hostage. I can easily see Ashley doing it, no matter who is being held hostage. But something seriously intense would have had to happen to make Kaidan snap. (which makes me think of one of my favorite Kaidan lines: "I'm 32, Shepard. You don’t serve as long as I have without coming to terms with yourself.")

[leggywillow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

AurinShepard wrote...

Sorry re-quoting because I am 5-days late to this discussion. The way I read it, it seems like A/K could be Ashley/Kaidan holding someone else hostage. I'm thinking perhaps your ME2 LI, if you cheated. Casey did say cheating would have repercussions.

Seems like fabulous, emotional drama to me. If it is cheating related, I look forward to encountering this with my renegon cheater femShep's play through.

Sheesh... I would hate to see them do that.    I may love Kaidan but that is behavior that asks for a bullet in the brain.
Admittedly, when I read that article that's what I interpreted as well, but ... I just can't wrap my head around either of them doing such a thing.  Even when unromanced, knowing that they would be capable of that is just... ugh.

I will go ahead and say that I absolutely don't think that's what it is.  It could be another squadmate for some reason (as I obviously do not know ME3's story yet), but Kaidan and Ashley just aren't the type to straight-up murder your ME2 LI if you cheated.  Few characters are, honestly.

I think how they handled the possible love triangle in ME1 should be an indicator of how they'd handle the "cheating".  I think Kaidan will be hurt but relatively polite about it and able to hold a sad-yet-accepting adult conversation with Shepard about it.  Ashley probably won't be able to hide the hurt as well and make a few hot-headed comments.

I think it would be a complete derailment of both characters for them to actually attempt to murder anyone for that reason alone, though.  Can you really picture Kaidan holding Garrus at gunpoint for entering into a consensual relationship with Shepard?  I really, really can't.

What I want to know is, is there an option for Shepard to say "DOOOO EEEEET!!" since Hale kept saying "No!" in different ways.  

AurinShepard wrote...
But something
seriously intense would have had to happen to make Kaidan snap.

Kaidan has family on Earth.  Maybe they die in the Reaper assault.  That would push him a lot closer to snapping if Shepard and co. stumble across a traitor or an agent working for the Reapers.

Modifié par leggywillow, 18 août 2011 - 09:32 .

[Criz]

unless he's indoctrinated (what I seriously don't hope!) I can't see Kaidan taking another LI hostage either; so far it's just speculation that the VS might be the hostage or in a hostage-like situation or be the one who holds someone at gun-point
did it imply they meant something to Shepard? you know ... personally, or just someone whom he might think needs to stay alive for some reason while someone working for Alliance/as a Spectre might deem they need killing?!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Criz-Zone wrote...

unless he's indoctrinated (what I seriously don't hope!) I can't see Kaidan taking another LI hostage either; so far it's just speculation that the VS might be the hostage or in a hostage-like situation or be the one who holds someone at gun-point
did it imply they meant something to Shepard? you know ... personally, or just someone whom he might think needs to stay alive for some reason while someone working for Alliance/as a Spectre might deem they need killing?!

Indoctrination could do it, but wow.  I would rage and then cry rivers.