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[leighzard]

Sialater wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Sialater wrote...
... Therefore, Shepard IS a marine, Kaidan and Ashley are Marines, but they're all three in the Navy.  Anderson, it seems, was never a Marine, he was always a sailor (though they may have clarified differently in the books -- I haven't read any of them).  Joker is a sailor. 

 

According to codex, Anderson was the first N7 and first human candidate for Spectre. 

Yeah, that doesn't answer if he was a Marine or a Sailor, though.

In Revelation Anderson starts out as a 2nd Lieutenant in the First Contact Wars.  Grissom says that he'll be on the front lines.  So I think that means Marine.  After the war he was promoted to Staff Lieutenant, the same rank Kaidan holds in ME1.

[Sialater]

leborum wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Sialater wrote...
... Therefore, Shepard IS a marine, Kaidan and Ashley are Marines, but they're all three in the Navy.  Anderson, it seems, was never a Marine, he was always a sailor (though they may have clarified differently in the books -- I haven't read any of them).  Joker is a sailor. 

 

According to codex, Anderson was the first N7 and first human candidate for Spectre. 

Yeah, that doesn't answer if he was a Marine or a Sailor, though.

In Revelation Anderson starts out as a 2nd Lieutenant in the First Contact Wars.  Grissom says that he'll be on the front lines.  So I think that means Marine.  After the war he was promoted to Staff Lieutenant, the same rank Kaidan holds in ME1.

That doesn't clarify either, since the ranks only diverge at Captain/Major and Rear Admiral/General.

Though, since he's Captain Anderson, not Major Anderson and BW doesn't seem to call anyone in charge of a ship "Captain" like they should... Anderson's a Naval Officer.

[NRieh]

Nrieh - I really only was thinking about in 1, not 3, but his promotion from "boss of marine detail" to "navy guy who creates spec ops division"

And I was talking about ME1 as well - Staff LT is an officer rank, just one step lower then Shep's LT. Commander. And he is promoted to mariner's rank(Major). And Shep could run spec ops even without any changes in rank at all throughout the series. 8)

By the way - I don't recall if our Major had N7 training or not?

Anderson, it seems, was never a Marine

True, as his rank was pointed as Capitan all the ME (unlike Major Alenko). And I'd really like to know what's the practical difference between those two . I could say it is about having some rights to command the ship, but mariner Shepard does not fit this version. Not to mention that naval Anderson leads ground forces resistance on Earth in ME3...BW made a lot of wierd things about aliance military system, we all know it, I think. Non-existing ranks which are seen in game, but not in codex (flight lt, colonel) rocket-boosted promotions over few ranks (Ash), no promotions at all (Shep, eternal LT.Cmdr)...

Joker is a sailor

F...light lieutenant, oh yes... 8P Wish we knew his real rank...There are no Flight Lieutenants on a codex list. I think it must be Staff LT\\LT Commander.

Aside form Shep, who do think Kaidan would get along with best on the Normandy?

I think that after ME2 he could have it hard with Joker, and Joker's lines when you take Kaidan back to ship in ME3 show not much warm feelings, if you remember those. But I'm sure they could be friends with Garrus and\\or Wrex. Not sure about Tali - she was dead in my import ME3, and in ME1 they did not seem to have that much in common. James - from ME3 squad, but just for poker and some chat, I'd not call it "friends".

[shepskisaac]

Well, considering Kaidan's reaction to Steve's death, I assume it's already sorta-canon that they're friends? So most likely Steve. I can imagine him, Kaidan and Vega having drinking nights, Ash too. It seems like the entire alliance is loving booze lol xD

[Kunari801]

Yeah, I think Kaidan and Joker had a falling out. IIRC, I think Joker even said in ME2 that Kaidan was mad at him for getting Shepard killed saving his butt. So yeah, any friendship they had in ME1 was ruined and since both are too stubborn to work it out, they probably wouldn't become friends again.

If we're talking post-ME3 with my Shepard with LI Kaidan: I think Garrus' loyalty to Shepard would get him to try and help Kaidan through Shepards loss. Same with Tali, I can see the three of them swapping stories about Shepard as they mourn his loss. That would bond them together. Liara would try to help too but I'm not sure Kaidan would tolerate her if she got grabby hands. If she went slow and gentle I could see her share her memories of Shepard with Kaidan. If Miranda was on the SR2 at the end, I could see Kaidan warm up to her eventually. James I think would turn into a big brother and try to keep Kaidan occupied do he wouldn't go into depression.

Steve & Kaidan would be good friends too and I can see Steve helping Kaidan through his loss like Shepard did with Steve. Eventually I think they'd hook up but not for awhile.

[leighzard]

Facepalm!

I totally thought Captain Anderson was because he was in charge of the Normandy. I figured Shepard wasn't called "captain" because she was just borrowing the ship as a Spectre, not as an Alliance official. I think I'm on the same page as the rest of you now. Sometimes I'm slow.

And I don't think Kaidan had N7 training. At least I've never heard about it. Does anyone know what Kaidan's designation is? I know that Ashley's ME3 outfit has S1, a designation that I don't know. Spectre status, maybe?

[legbamel]

I think Kaidan being back with Shepard would help him let go of some of his anger toward Joker but I don't see him as being very supportive of the EDI relationship for some reason. I can definitely see Kaidan being friends with both James and Steve, in different ways.

Liara, on the other hand, in my head canon Kaidan will never forgive for keeping the Cerberus thing a secret. I think her hunting down Shep's body would creep him out and then giving it to Cerberus on the slim hope that they can magically bring her back to life and then keeping it secret for years while they did would really ****** him off. I don't see him (or Shep, for that matter) as having anything to do with her if he can avoid it.

I definitely think he'd be close to Garrus and Tali, as the only two who were there when even he could not be as well and the two that he has known longest.

[NRieh]

And I don't think Kaidan had N7 training. At least I've never heard about it. Does anyone know what Kaidan's designation is? I know that Ashley's ME3 outfit has S1, a designation that I don't know. Spectre status, maybe?

There are a lot of things we never heared about, I think.... Yet I also can't remember any designations at any kind of his suits\\armors\\uniforms. But that's not really showing anything, since "N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms." © Codex. So he could be N2-6, theoretically, but that's just speculations.

And spectres do not seem to have any signs or logos.

ps: But he has his name printed on gloves of a blue armor set with high res textures installed 8P (probably in normal textures it can be seen as well, but not on my laptop) So - he's defined as supersecret class "ALENKO"..

[chibievil]

 well i must be really really bored if i reinstalled sims 3 and tried to make Kaidan in it (unsuccessfully). 
Then dressing him up in some cool outfits hehe.

[shepskisaac]

legbamel wrote...

keeping it secret for years

Which reminds me, why did he (nor Ash) ever bring that up? Ohh right because no one can be mad at or point out bad stuff Liara did <_<

[chibievil]

IsaacShep wrote...

legbamel wrote...

keeping it secret for years

Which reminds me, why did he (nor Ash) ever bring that up? Ohh right because no one can be mad at or point out bad stuff Liara did <_<

My shepard was angry with her when she mentioned it hehe.... and i think in one of my playthrough she asked 'are we still friends' i said 'No' hehe

[shepskisaac]

chibievil wrote...

My shepard was angry with her when she mentioned it hehe.... and i think in one of my playthrough she asked 'are we still friends' i said 'No' hehe

Yeah, but you can't tell her you're mad that she made Kaidan suffer for two years for no good reason. >

[chibievil]

IsaacShep wrote...

chibievil wrote...

My shepard was angry with her when she mentioned it hehe.... and i think in one of my playthrough she asked 'are we still friends' i said 'No' hehe

Yeah, but you can't tell her you're mad that she made Kaidan suffer for two years for no good reason. >

would it count if i said it in my head, yelled at her in my head. and imagined what her reaction would be. 

[Kunari801]

IsaacShep wrote...

chibievil wrote...

My shepard was angry with her when she mentioned it hehe.... and i think in one of my playthrough she asked 'are we still friends' i said 'No' hehe

Yeah, but you can't tell her you're mad that she made Kaidan suffer for two years for no good reason. > 

Never thought of that...  Damn you Liara. 

[chibievil]

 here is my take on creating Kaidan in sims 3.

he looks nothing like him and i used several thousands of mods to try and still not. i must be very very crap at it awww

[Anacruisis]

chibievil wrote...

 here is my take on creating Kaidan in sims 3.

he looks nothing like him and i used several thousands of mods to try and still not. i must be very very crap at it awww

So far it looks like Kaidan
maybe the eyes kinda off for me

[Satanicponies]

Sialater wrote...

Technically speaking, the USMC and the RMC (and whatever Canadian marines are called) are in their countries' respective navies.  We have a Department of the Navy, NOT a Department of the Marines.  The Marine Corps is contained with in the Navy.  They do have different chains of command, but only to a certain point.  After that, it's all admirals.

BW, in it's general militaristic confusion, was attempting to convey this.  But it's hard to say what's lack of research, and what's BW having to make up to fit what it needed in the Alliance.

Therefore, Shepard IS a marine, Kaidan and Ashley are Marines, but they're all three in the Navy.  Anderson, it seems, was never a Marine, he was always a sailor (though they may have clarified differently in the books -- I haven't read any of them).  Joker is a sailor.

No they aren’t. The US navy and the USMC are two separate branches of the military, and both are a
branch of the 7 united states armed forces. The USMC, the Navy, Airforce, coast guard, and the Army. They
are just both naval, and the Marines use navy ships for transport.  The US Navy and the USMC all report to the Secretary of the Navy, who is a civilian who is the head of the Department of the Navy, they were just combined into one around the mid 1800s. (in fact, there have been bills attempted to change the name of the department to the Navy and the Marine Corps) In fact, the current SECNAV is Ray Mabus, who has never been in the military. He has the authority to conduct all of their affairs. Above him is the Sec of Defense and then the President.


The US Navy and the USMC all have their own command branches and structures, neither has to report to the other. Neither man has command of the other’s forces. So The two branches are only similar at the top administer.  Just Ray Mabus, a civilian, the Sec of Defense and the president.  

In the mass effect universe, there are no Marines (capital M) just marines. The fighting force OF the Alliance Military.

Edit: Anderson was a marine in the books, the very first one. I really didnt care for that book
Edit 2: stop unformatting me bioware!

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[Sialater]

Satanicponies wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Technically speaking, the USMC and the RMC (and whatever Canadian marines are called) are in their countries' respective navies.  We have a Department of the Navy, NOT a Department of the Marines.  The Marine Corps is contained with in the Navy.  They do have different chains of command, but only to a certain point.  After that, it's all admirals.

BW, in it's general militaristic confusion, was attempting to convey this.  But it's hard to say what's lack of research, and what's BW having to make up to fit what it needed in the Alliance.

Therefore, Shepard IS a marine, Kaidan and Ashley are Marines, but they're all three in the Navy.  Anderson, it seems, was never a Marine, he was always a sailor (though they may have clarified differently in the books -- I haven't read any of them).  Joker is a sailor.

No they aren’t. The US navy and the USMC are two separate branches of the military, and both are a
branch of the 7 united states armed forces. The USMC, the Navy, Airforce, coast guard, and the Army. They
are just both naval, and the Marines use navy ships for transport.  The US Navy and the USMC all report to the Secretary of the Navy, who is a civilian who is the head of the Department of the Navy, they were just combined into one around the mid 1800s. (in fact, there have been bills attempted to change the name of the department to the Navy and the Marine Corps) In fact, the current SECNAV is Ray Mabus, who has never been in the military. The two branches are only similar at the top administers, and they are all civilians. The US Navy and the USMC all have their own command branches and structures, neither has to report to the other. The man in charge of the USMC is the Commandantof the Marine Corps, Gen. Amos, a 4 star general, while the man in charge of the Navy is the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Greenert, a 4 star admiral. Neither man has command of the other’s forces. And there is no one above them. Just Ray Mabus, a civilian and all his assistants that are civilians.


In the mass effect universe, there are no Marines (capital M) just marines. The fighting force OF the Alliance Military. 

Thanks for the correction, I merely meant that SECNAV is over the Marines as well as the Navy, and the Army and Air Force have their own Secretaries.  Sorry for not being clear.  I wasn't at my most coherent this morning, apparently.  But the Coast Guard was removed from the DOD and turned over to Homeland Security for some damned insane reason, they're no longer Department of Defense.

[Kunari801]

chibievil wrote...

 here is my take on creating Kaidan in sims 3.... 

Get rid of the 5 o'clock shadow and you're close!   Something seems off with the eye brows and I can't tell the eye color form your pic. 

[Satanicponies]

Sialater wrote...



Thanks for the correction, I merely meant that SECNAV is over the Marines as well as the Navy, and the Army and Air Force have their own Secretaries.  Sorry for not being clear.  I wasn't at my most coherent this morning, apparently.  But the Coast Guard was removed from the DOD and turned over to Homeland Security for some damned insane reason, they're no longer Department of Defense.

the coast guard is the weird one in the bunch. They are in the department of Homeland security.."protect our borders" maybe? that seems like an idea. (edit: changed in 2002, so yep) However, it only is in the DHS during peacetime, and can be handed over to the Department of the Navy by the President at any time, or by Congress during time of war. Its weird. 

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[chibievil]

Kunari801 wrote...

chibievil wrote...

 here is my take on creating Kaidan in sims 3.... 

Get rid of the 5 o'clock shadow and you're close!   Something seems off with the eye brows and I can't tell the eye color form your pic. 

his eyes are brown. i will post an updated pic soon, with some clothes on hehe
the mouth is off, and i can't seem to get it right

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[Sialater]

Satanicponies wrote...

Sialater wrote...



Thanks for the correction, I merely meant that SECNAV is over the Marines as well as the Navy, and the Army and Air Force have their own Secretaries.  Sorry for not being clear.  I wasn't at my most coherent this morning, apparently.  But the Coast Guard was removed from the DOD and turned over to Homeland Security for some damned insane reason, they're no longer Department of Defense.

the coast guard is the weird one in the bunch. They are in the department of Homeland security.."protect our borders" maybe? that seems like an idea. (edit: changed in 2002, so yep) However, it only is in the DHS during peacetime, and can be handed over to the Department of the Navy by the President at any time, or by Congress during time of war. Its weird. 

We agree on something. 

Anyway, I figured BW went the way of most futuristic sci-fi and did what Weber did:  Marines are separate but equal from the Navy and kinda sorta vaguely attached like the red-headed stepchild.  This one just does all the fighting.  Hence, Kaidan, Shepard and Ashley are Marines, Anderson and Joker are Navy (Sailor/Airman).

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[Satanicponies]

Sialater wrote...

Satanicponies wrote...

Sialater wrote...



Thanks for the correction, I merely meant that SECNAV is over the Marines as well as the Navy, and the Army and Air Force have their own Secretaries.  Sorry for not being clear.  I wasn't at my most coherent this morning, apparently.  But the Coast Guard was removed from the DOD and turned over to Homeland Security for some damned insane reason, they're no longer Department of Defense.

the coast guard is the weird one in the bunch. They are in the department of Homeland security.."protect our borders" maybe? that seems like an idea. (edit: changed in 2002, so yep) However, it only is in the DHS during peacetime, and can be handed over to the Department of the Navy by the President at any time, or by Congress during time of war. Its weird. 

We agree on something. 

Anyway, I figured BW went the way of most futuristic sci-fi and did what Weber did:  Marines are separate but equal from the Navy and kinda sorta vaguely attached like the red-headed stepchild.  This one just does all the fighting.  Hence, Kaidan, Shepard and Ashley are Marines, Anderson and Joker are Navy (Sailor/Airman).

Yea, I wish thats how they did it. It causes so much confusion that they would have 1 branch with...a second quasi branch. It would make things soooo much easier if they had seperate branches. 2 different types of training and missions should = 2 branches. It makes this military historian cry out in pain. 

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[chibievil]

 
how about this, look anything like Kaidan or am i ruining it even more than last time:crying:

[Sialater]

Satanicponies wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Satanicponies wrote...

Sialater wrote...



Thanks for the correction, I merely meant that SECNAV is over the Marines as well as the Navy, and the Army and Air Force have their own Secretaries.  Sorry for not being clear.  I wasn't at my most coherent this morning, apparently.  But the Coast Guard was removed from the DOD and turned over to Homeland Security for some damned insane reason, they're no longer Department of Defense.

the coast guard is the weird one in the bunch. They are in the department of Homeland security.."protect our borders" maybe? that seems like an idea. (edit: changed in 2002, so yep) However, it only is in the DHS during peacetime, and can be handed over to the Department of the Navy by the President at any time, or by Congress during time of war. Its weird. 

We agree on something. 

Anyway, I figured BW went the way of most futuristic sci-fi and did what Weber did:  Marines are separate but equal from the Navy and kinda sorta vaguely attached like the red-headed stepchild.  This one just does all the fighting.  Hence, Kaidan, Shepard and Ashley are Marines, Anderson and Joker are Navy (Sailor/Airman).

Yea, I wish thats how they did it. It causes so much confusion that they would have 1 branch with...a second quasi branch. It would make things soooo much easier. 2 different types of training and missions should = 2 branches. It makes this military historian cry out in pain. 

As a former Army Wife, it did the same to me and my husband.    But then, I'm also of the impression Soldier should be called "Weapons' Specialist" and not "Soldier."

Ugh.  ToP:


Luckiest Man Alive

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