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[Kunari801]

Frozen83 wrote...

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

on topic; hum... Kaidan was all glowy when i recuted Tail in one... and if Jack could create a biotic feild agesnts the seeker swarm.. why didn't Kaidan create one on hirizon? he could have saved a few of the coloinsts...

I don't think he's strong enough for that. Remembar, he says Shepard is stronger biotic than him and Shepard never puts a protective bubble around anything....

Well, somehow he saved himself on Horizon and wasn't taken by the collectors.   Maybe he couldn't save others but he was able to keep himself safe. 

[Frozen83]

Frozen83 wrote...

Plus, i think he lift up his personal barrier when the bugs attack. I might be wrong, butit seems to me he glows for just a bit when he gets immobilized.

Khm ... As I was saying ... M.

[Kunari801]

Frozen83 wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...

Plus, i think he lift up his personal barrier when the bugs attack. I might be wrong, butit seems to me he glows for just a bit when he gets immobilized.

Khm ... As I was saying ... M.

IIRC everyone glowed like that when bit by the Collector bugs... 

[Frozen83]

Hmmm, then I guess he should have been taken away ... And saved in the final mission in ME2 ! M.

[nos_astra]

Frozen83 wrote...

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...
on topic; hum... Kaidan was all glowy when i recuted Tail in one... and if Jack could create a biotic feild agesnts the seeker swarm.. why didn't Kaidan create one on hirizon? he could have saved a few of the coloinsts...

I don't think he's strong enough for that. Remembar, he says Shepard is stronger biotic than him and Shepard never puts a protective bubble around anything. Plus, Miranda (and Thane and Jacob...) who is not Jack or Samara or Morinth cannot maintain the field for long. Only matriarchs or Jack are strong enough for that. Plus Samara and Jack can float, neither Shep or Kaidan can do that. So if he did create a biotic bubble, it would be only temporarily. Plus, i think he lift up his personal barrier when the bugs attack. I might be wrong, butit seems to me he glows for just a bit when he gets immobilized. On the other hand, that jerk that hides in some warehouse could have saved more colonists...M.

I don't think you can rely on the visuals when you're trying figure out what a biotic could/should be able to do.

Especially not at Horizon where Kaidan and Ashley share the same cutscene and the "barrier" thing happens to everyone (it's also the wrong color). That's probably the reason why Kaidan doesn't use his biotics.

Samara/Morinth are special and insanely powerful. That much is obvious. A matriarch justicar and an ardat-yakshi.

Miranda's powers are odd. She should be an L2 (born in 2150) or she would have received her L3 implant at age 20. What is she?

Jack is Subject Zero. She's raw power and little control. Equipped with an experimental implant. Pretty clear.

Thane ... I have no idea why Thane is even a biotic. What's the point? I always forget he is one because it doesn't exactly fit the character. My headcanon says that Thane is a very weak biotic, his powers are negligible.

Jacob ... typical L3. Useful, safe, not incredibly powerful.

Shepard's powers seem random considering s/he wasn't exactly part of a biotic training program and is equipped with the weaker implant series. Clearly player belly rubbing (and how I hate that special snowflake nonsense). These powers are limited to gameplay and hints in dialogue because biotic Shep shares visuals with soldier Shep or engineer Shep.
My headcanon say that my L3 vanguard Shep may spike higher than an L2 but doesn't really use her potential. Before the retrofit, that is. ;-) 

Liara's powers are pretty random, too. She obviously outclasses asari commandos who have had special training. I really don't see why. Sure, it's convenient because she's shoehorned into every major plotline anyway, and eventually takes on the action girl role. But she used to be a bookworm and a scientist, a civilian.

Kaidan, well. Kaidan does have the special biotic backstory that is never really used to its full potential. And that's kind of sad. I mean, he does have the old implants. More power that come with health issues. He's had extensive training that was pushing his limits. (Some kids died!) He's very disciplined. His powers are said to be comparable to an asari commando's. If any other human than Jack can do the bubble thing it should be Shepard and Kaidan.

Edit: Wow, that was a rambly post.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[Frozen83]

klarabella wrote...

If any other human than Jack can do the bubble thing it should be Shepard and Kaidan.

I agree. But, apparently they can't. As far as I know, Liara (LotSB), Samara (recruitment mission) and Jack (Grissom academy) can levitate using biotics. Nobody else. Kaidan and Shep even joke about it at some point. So I think that Jack is stronger than either of them...
Yes, Miranda was a teen when only L2 were available... She might have one in her head, but it might not have such detrimental effects on her... Remember, she was genetically manipulated to be a much stronger human biotic than average, so her brain might simply be more resiliant to L2 impact. I don't know, just a wild guess. M.

[Aurora313]

I think it's that Kaidan restrains himself because BAAT and killing Vyrnus really got to him. By ME3, he's on par with a Sentinal Shepard after another doctor gives him treatments to help his biotics improve. Kaidan probably could do those things too, he was taught so brutally to push his limits, but he's subconciously imposing limits on himself which don't allow him to reach his full potential. If he did go all out, he'd probably be doing equal if not more damage to himself than an enemy through over-exertion.

This is just my interpation, feel free to go nuts as say 'NUP! That's wrong!'

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[nos_astra]

Frozen83 wrote...
I agree. But, apparently they can't. As far as I know, Liara (LotSB), Samara (recruitment mission) and Jack (Grissom academy) can levitate using biotics. Nobody else. Kaidan and Shep even joke about it at some point. So I think that Jack is stronger than either of them...

Barriers are his specialty, or so I figured. He has them in ME1, he has them in ME3 (and "teaches" them to you).
Kaidan also has Lift in ME1 and I don't see how that is any different from levitating yourself.

And considering that being a biotic means activate the eezo nodules in your body through mneumonics and create a dark energy field that increases or lowers the mass of objects within that field I don't see what's so hard about making yourself levitate. It's kind of basic if you think about it. They made glasses levitate and move them to drink from at BAaT. And that's what 17-y-o L2s used to do. Kaidan tells Ashley in an elevator banter in ME1 that he's not holding back anymore, prompted by Ashley asking him about how his biotics have gotten stronger. He will tell you the same thing in ME3 at Huerta.

Now, if you want to make yourself float in the air just create a field around you, lower your mass, then ... um, maybe jump very carefully? Sure moving that field in a controlled manner could be kind of hard. Or sustaining it for long enough. But that's what you do with a barrier, too, seeing as it moves around with you for a while. So ... huh?

Maybe being able to manipulate the field and constantly adjust the mass effect is what makes a matriarch stronger.
Maybe the size and shape of the field or the amount of dark energy poured into it is what sets the limit of your powers.

As I said, it's often random and I don't think Bioware put that much thought into it. Many biotic powers don't make an awful lot of sense when trying to reconcile them with actual biotics lore. And that's my beef with it.

I'm sorry. I put way too much thought into this.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[NRieh]

My headcanon say that my L3 vanguard Shep may spike higher than an L2 but doesn't really use her potential.

How I get things - L3 does more constant, but weaker damage, and L2s can spike hard, bud hard to keep constant level and...well, hard, you know.

They messed with Shep's implants class, very likely - to spare Shep from any kind of L2 possible complications, but timeline logic says Shep is supposed to have same L2s, (s)he is just 3 yrs younger then Kaidan, and codex writing says L3s at ME1 period are "25 or younger". Shep is about 28-29 at this point. There are some theories, however, that say that Shep was detected later, not in early childhood. And (for whatever reason) had extra exposure in teen age. And was the very first one who got L3 asap. If Shep is not L3-r...

I would trade that stupid assult rifle for a submachine gun. I like having a fast recharge time on my squaddies' powers (Liara and Kaidan are my preferred party in ME3), but I don't want Kaidan just to have a dinky pistol and nothing else.

Wait, but squad does NOT loose recharge time depending on weight, afaik. And also have unlimited ammo and their own accuracy calculations... That's why Kaidan had that Big Bad Thing from cerberus bace on my playthrough.... 8P if that's what you were talking about...

I remember there was a thread that listed all "best" weapons for your squad members, here s a link.

Modifié par Nrieh, 05 juin 2012 - 08:13 .

[Frozen83]

klarabella wrote...

I'm sorry. I put way too much thought into this.

No, actually, it is really interesting. I think there's a banter on Grissom between the students about how someone can only levitate 100 kg or something like that. So yes, floating arround should be easy enough. Maybe it just needs to be learned, trained, whatever. And for what ever reason, neither Kaidan or Shep did that... It would be cool to have biotic bubble in ME3 though. I liked when Jack was nonchalantly walking around in the beginning, but then in the end was struggling to maintain it. A mission like that in ME3 would have been awesome! M.

[Aurora313]

The Timeline states that SHepard doesn't manifest any significant inclination to biotics until he's 17. Alenko is 21 at that point. So, take what you will from that.

[Frozen83]

Aurora313 wrote...

The Timeline states that SHepard doesn't manifest any significant inclination to biotics until he's 17. Alenko is 21 at that point. So, take what you will from that.

True, ME wiki says so. I don't know from what source, but... M.

[nos_astra]

Frozen83 wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

The Timeline states that SHepard doesn't manifest any significant inclination to biotics until he's 17. Alenko is 21 at that point. So, take what you will from that.

True, ME wiki says so. I don't know from what source, but... M.

A developer/writer shared their internal timeline at some point. It's mentioned somewhere on the talk page IIRC.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 juin 2012 - 11:24 .

[Hvlukas]

To just really quickly add to this thread:

Kaiden sure was good looking. And the voice actor behind him sure had a nice breathy voice for him.

I can't say more without embarrassing myself.

Modifié par Hvlukas, 05 juin 2012 - 11:48 .

[NRieh]

A developer/writer shared their internal timeline at some point. It's mentioned somewhere on the talk page IIR

Yep, "fixed" by writer, "not fixed" in-game anyhow. Original codex\\timeline leaves little chances for Shep to 1. avoid BrainCamp 2. have L3 (not L3-r). And "fix" is still not that clear, as Shep is the only [known] case of being latent in the early age and exposed for the second time (why?) at 14 .Kaidan had his L2 with somewhat developed and long-time monitored skills at 16(at 17 he killed that tourian). And it disregards personal background (spacer\\earthborn\\colonist) a lot, imo.I mean, they could've missed earthborn gang-kid in slums, but spacer?..

[Kunari801]

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard: "Do you think you could float off the railing like that?"
Kaidan: *scoffs* "Well, not in the next ten minutes. Unless you can."
Shepard: "We're both out of luck on that one."

Yeah, that's it I thought it was great.  

As for Shep's implants I thought Miranda said they gave him L5x or something implants when they rebuilt him. 

Modifié par Kunari801, 05 juin 2012 - 02:40 .

[Sialater]

Kunari801 wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard: "Do you think you could float off the railing like that?"
Kaidan: *scoffs* "Well, not in the next ten minutes. Unless you can."
Shepard: "We're both out of luck on that one."

Yeah, that's it I thought it was great.  

As for Shep's implants I thought Miranda said they gave him L5x or something implants when they rebuilt him. 

Shep's an L5n for Vanguards and Sentinels, L5x for Adepts.  (I may have that letter designation backwards.)

[NRieh]

As for Shep's implants I thought Miranda said they gave him L5x or something implants when they rebuilt him.

When you create a char in ME2, descriptin does say about L5, but I'm not sure if they changed it or not, as their goal was to make Shep exactly how (s)he was before. And bioamp implant seems significant to me.

And you know, I never thought about Kaidan never using biotics in cuts before you mentioned it here. I always wondererd about Horizon - why shooting things when you can throw the field, but I did not think over rest of the cuts. Even Miranda hit that gangster with throw (just did her ME2 mission today). Not sure about Jackob and Thane, though - did they have anything?

And lines in a monastery were nice even for a non-biotic engineer Shep, slightly different, but nice. Probably, the only moment where mission lines sounded.. a bit personal, not just something like "we need to open that door, there must be some console or other way around

[nos_astra]

Sialater wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard: "Do you think you could float off the railing like that?"
Kaidan: *scoffs* "Well, not in the next ten minutes. Unless you can."
Shepard: "We're both out of luck on that one."

Yeah, that's it I thought it was great.  

As for Shep's implants I thought Miranda said they gave him L5x or something implants when they rebuilt him.

Shep's an L5n for Vanguards and Sentinels, L5x for Adepts.  (I may have that letter designation backwards.)

But what does it mean? Does this designation even come up outside of the character creation screen?

[NRieh]

But what does it mean? Does this designation even come up outside of the character creation screen?

Doubt they do, and wish I knew whom to ask...

[Sialater]

klarabella wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard: "Do you think you could float off the railing like that?"
Kaidan: *scoffs* "Well, not in the next ten minutes. Unless you can."
Shepard: "We're both out of luck on that one."

Yeah, that's it I thought it was great.  

As for Shep's implants I thought Miranda said they gave him L5x or something implants when they rebuilt him.

Shep's an L5n for Vanguards and Sentinels, L5x for Adepts.  (I may have that letter designation backwards.)

But what does it mean? Does this designation even come up outside of the character creation screen?

Theoretically, it's why Adepts can do Singularities, which, lore-wise, is the most powerful thing a biotic can do. 

It never comes up.  I take the designations back.  L5n is Adepts.  L5x is Jack, L5s are just vanguards and sentinels.

[nos_astra]

Ah, I see. I completely forgot about singularities. *headdesk*

I suppose that's what seperates the really powerful biotics from the rest.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[Kunari801]

I likes me Singularities and then a double Throw to make this go BOOM!

With Kaidan I Single them then have him Reave them, also a nice boom.

[Caeleinn]

You know, I joined in on this thread just cuz Kaidan is a hottie...but I'm actually getting some really good game play tips and such, too.  Just completed my Virmire in ME1 last night and FINALLY!!! got my night with Kaidan, now that we are heading to Ilos.  Ummm....is it wrong that I have a save from just after Virmire and before Ilos that I can go back to, just so I can repeat that special night?

As an aside, I finally got the conversation with him in which he says "We're going to need a bigger boot." I laughed and thought "So, THAT's where that comes from."

[Kunari801]

Caeleinn wrote...
...Ummm....is it wrong that I have a save from just after Virmire and before Ilos that I can go back to, just so I can repeat that special night?... 

If it's wrong, then we're both wrong.   I have the same type of save in ME3 now too.