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[Doodle]

AndreasShepard wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

"You scare the hell out of me with those risky stunts, Shepard, but I guess it's also part of what I love about you."

i think it Kaidan because of the amount of "hey shepard" i've read before hand...


Edit: 'd

Well if it is Kaidan then he better only say that to FemShep,  it would ruin the perfect timing of "I love you" in the MShep arc.

Humm... now i'm wondering what happens if you do the renegade option

i'ma check tomorrow because it's fricking late

[devSin]

AndreasShepard wrote...

Well if it is Kaidan then he better only say that to FemShep, it would ruin the perfect timing of "I love you" in the MShep arc.

I wouldn't mind if he made allusions to love ("love does that" or "I love about you"). I don't think that would ruin the final moments where they finally just bust out with the long-overdue "I love you"s.

Although I do agree that our "I love you" is pretty much perfectly handled right now, so I agree with you in hoping they don't preempt it with future content.

LolaLei wrote...

I plan to just play through all the SP dlc's as they come out from the save prior to the Cerberus mission just to experience the full game and then probably not touch it again. It's such a ****ing shame.

I feel the same, truthfully. I kind of want to just wait until all the DLC is out and then just buy them all and play the trilogy (maybe for the last time, depending on how much the ending still bums me out by then).

But if Mike does bring back the squad for all the DLC and gives them new content, I kind of feel obligated to pick up the packs as they come out (since the success is determined in the first weeks of availability).

I do know that if DLC doesn't have more Kaidan, at this point, I won't be buying it on release.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juin 2012 - 02:52 .

[LolaLei]

TamiBx wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

And that's why good things come to those who wait!

I only "cheated" on him because I wanted a better Horizon explanation scene; the whole "let's just forget about it" was not good enough. I wanted to hear his explanation, and you can only hear that if you cheat on him, so..

My canon FemShep was loyal to him (especially because I have been playing her ever since I got ME1, before ME2 came out). 

What was his explanation?

[VintageUtti]

devSin wrote...
Yeah, I personally think they may have been there for a week or two (probably not more than a month).

I'm just not sure why they're so sure that Anderson is dead but don't know that Shepard is still alive. Are we going to have to crawl from the core of the Citadel just to get somebody to rescue us (and if we are rescued and we've ever been conscious, I'm pretty sure "Where's Kaidan?" and "Tell him I'm alive." would have come up at least once—those would have been the third and fourth things my Shepard said, for sure, right after "Did we win?" and "Where am I?")?

Miranda didn't show up in the slideshow so in my head canon she rescues Shepard and works her medical magic mojo.

I agree that Kaidan should have done something else in the memorial scene to hint that he knew she was alive, like saying, "Not yet," and walking away with the nameplate, or maybe the Normandy gets an incoming transmission message or anything like that. The first time I did my ending I thought Kaidan smiled because he was reminiscing and remembering his good times with Shepard, not that he suddenly believed Shepard was alive.

[TamiBx]

LolaLei wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

And that's why good things come to those who wait!

I only "cheated" on him because I wanted a better Horizon explanation scene; the whole "let's just forget about it" was not good enough. I wanted to hear his explanation, and you can only hear that if you cheat on him, so..

My canon FemShep was loyal to him (especially because I have been playing her ever since I got ME1, before ME2 came out). 

What was his explanation?

He says he "handled it badly" when he saw her alive, and pushed her away. Then he apologizes for it. If you stayed loyal, he will just say he isn't seeing anyone. 
I personally prefer the explanation.

[LolaLei]

devSin wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

Well if it is Kaidan then he better only say that to FemShep, it would ruin the perfect timing of "I love you" in the MShep arc.

I wouldn't mind if he made allusions to love ("love does that" or "I love about you"). I don't think that would ruin the final moments where they finally just bust out with the long-overdue "I love you"s.

Although I do agree that our "I love you" is pretty much perfectly handled right now, so I agree with you in hoping they don't preempt it with future content.

LolaLei wrote...

I plan to just play through all the SP dlc's as they come out from the save prior to the Cerberus mission just to experience the full game and then probably not touch it again. It's such a ****ing shame.

I feel the same, truthfully. I kind of want to just wait until all the DLC is out and then just buy them all and play the trilogy (maybe for the last time, depending on how much the ending still bums me out by then).

But if Mike does bring back the squad for all the DLC and gives them new content, I kind of feel obligated to pick up the packs as they come out (since the success is determined in the first weeks of availability).

I do know that if DLC doesn't have more Kaidan, at this point, I won't be buying it on release.

I really didn't think I'd feel this bummed out about it again, I thought I had already got it all out of my system the last time round. It's not like I expected anything from the EC dlc and I am pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be better than I anticipated, but it was just such an anti-climax. And what with those last heartbreaking scenes with Kaidan... it's just really made me feel sad. Maybe once the ME3 team start clarifying the new questions the EC dlc brought up i'll feel better about it.... maybe they'll eventually say "yes Shep, his/her LI do get reunited and spend the rest of their days together", or if we're lucky, they'll write a short book or comic about them reuniting?

[LolaLei]

VintageUtti wrote...

devSin wrote...
Yeah, I personally think they may have been there for a week or two (probably not more than a month).

I'm just not sure why they're so sure that Anderson is dead but don't know that Shepard is still alive. Are we going to have to crawl from the core of the Citadel just to get somebody to rescue us (and if we are rescued and we've ever been conscious, I'm pretty sure "Where's Kaidan?" and "Tell him I'm alive." would have come up at least once—those would have been the third and fourth things my Shepard said, for sure, right after "Did we win?" and "Where am I?")?

Miranda didn't show up in the slideshow so in my head canon she rescues Shepard and works her medical magic mojo.

I agree that Kaidan should have done something else in the memorial scene to hint that he knew she was alive, like saying, "Not yet," and walking away with the nameplate, or maybe the Normandy gets an incoming transmission message or anything like that. The first time I did my ending I thought Kaidan smiled because he was reminiscing and remembering his good times with Shepard, not that he suddenly believed Shepard was alive.

Yeah I thought the same until I saw the other endings, then one of the dev's clarified it and I was like "aaaaah ok... well, that's something at least."

[TamiBx]

Actually, they practically said that the LI and Shepard are reunited in the destroy ending...

http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8

edit: actually, I think a good way to end the breathing scene would be to make someone find Shepard. Like, you hear them saying "hey, we found someone" and then Shepard breathes..just to prove that she/he was found. 

Modifié par TamiBx, 27 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[txmn1016]

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah I thought the same until I saw the other endings, then one of the dev's clarified it and I was like "aaaaah ok... well, that's something at least."

Which dev? 

[LolaLei]

txmn1016 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah I thought the same until I saw the other endings, then one of the dev's clarified it and I was like "aaaaah ok... well, that's something at least."

Which dev? 

TullyAckland, but it was on the ME3 twitter as well.

[txmn1016]

LolaLei wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah I thought the same until I saw the other endings, then one of the dev's clarified it and I was like "aaaaah ok... well, that's something at least."

Which dev? 

TullyAckland, but it was on the ME3 twitter as well.

Oh nice one! 

[LolaLei]

TamiBx wrote...

Actually, they practically said that the LI and Shepard are reunited in the destroy ending...

http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8

edit: actually, I think a good way to end the breathing scene would be to make someone find Shepard. Like, you hear them saying "hey, we found someone" and then Shepard breathes..just to prove that she/he was found. 

Yeah have search lights flickering around or something as a soldier says "we found him/her" then she takes a breath. 

I dunno why they didn't just tell/show us that they were reunited in the game, rather than tell us over the bloody forum.

[devSin]

LolaLei wrote...

I really didn't think I'd feel this bummed out about it again, I thought I had already got it all out of my system the last time round. It's not like I expected anything from the EC dlc and I am pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be better than I anticipated, but it was just such an anti-climax. And what with those last heartbreaking scenes with Kaidan... it's just really made me feel sad. Maybe once the ME3 team start clarifying the new questions the EC dlc brought up i'll feel better about it.... maybe they'll eventually say "yes Shep, his/her LI do get reunited and spend the rest of their days together", or if we're lucky, they'll write a short book or comic about them reuniting?

I think one of the fundamental problems is that the game builds all this emotion but then doesn't give you anything to do with it.

You just have to stagger through a hallway, listen to some egomaniacal moron give a speech that is entirely repetitious and never, ever seems to end, and then you get hit with bright lights and neon and hallucinogenic conversations with crazy little boys, followed by an epilogue that freely jumps around in time and spams you with a slideshow that at times offers almost no context.

I think, for me, it just needed that confirmation that Shepard survived that one ending. The other ending variations give you a memorial and a hope for the future (and you even give your own future in control). But the ending where you live doesn't. It completely ignores you, gives you a faux funeral, and then throws out a shot of your ruined body as if to say A-HA!

I don't want a cliffhanger. I don't want head-canon. I don't want suspense or speculation. I want "We've found Shepard—he's alive!" Cut to credits. Something. Anything. Just tell me that what I'm seeing is what is really there, not just what I want to see. But no, they take away your ability to grieve and give you nothing in its place.

Which is why the extended cut fails for me for this ending, at least emotionally (it fails also because a lot of their handwaving is too silly to take seriously, but I can forgive them for that). They helped the story structure, and they did leave us with some thematic guidelines, but they left out the personal touch I think I required (I already knew the galaxy would be fine eventually, so they haven't gained as much by telling me this as they would if they had shown all the people I affected along the way, and focused more on them), and they didn't give me the ability to express my emotion, neither as grief nor elation.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juin 2012 - 03:29 .

[ladymoonlight86]

TamiBx wrote...

Actually, they practically said that the LI and Shepard are reunited in the destroy ending...

http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8

edit: actually, I think a good way to end the breathing scene would be to make someone find Shepard. Like, you hear them saying "hey, we found someone" and then Shepard breathes..just to prove that she/he was found. 

This is *&?%ing Great i'm more happy...but still i don't have the joy to play Mass Effect 3 again, like i ones with Mass Effect 1 and 2.

[LolaLei]

DevSin: You're spot on! There's not even a boss battle to take your frustration out on. I mean, Shepard is the most important character in the Mass Effect series and we don't have a ****ing clue what happens to him/her in the destroy ending. The EC DLC was supposed to provide closure, yet failed to give us any when it came to Shepard's fate after blowing up the Reapers. Sure, Shep takes a gasp of air but we don't know if she'll be rescued or even survive... We don't even know if she's on Earth or the Citadel. You'd think giving us closure for that particular ending would be a priority since it's the only one Shepard actually lives in, without turning into Reaper-Jesus or space DNA.

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

Modifié par LolaLei, 27 juin 2012 - 03:30 .

[devSin]

LolaLei wrote...

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

It wouldn't even have taken that.

I mean, some random crew member could have shouted "Wait!" from somewhere offscreen as Kaidan was about to put your name up on the wall, and they could have all turned to face that person, and then it cuts to the exterior shot of the Normandy leaving. You then get the breath scene and the credits.

This has given us the knowledge that our friends know we're alive. It says nothing about Shepard's or the squad's future, but still conveys the exact information we're looking for. Now you know that Kaidan knows you're alive, and now you know that he's coming for you.

You're not left to guess. You're left to celebrate. Your friends are on their way. Things are going to be all right.

But for some reason, they chose not to give us that. They instead chose to leave us in limbo, and we can't do anything but guess at what's going on.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juin 2012 - 03:37 .

[Ainyan42]

You know, I actually achieved catharsis with the EC - I was extremely happy with it, especially Destroy. I understand being disappointed at not seeing what happens after Shepard breathes - but consider this: You know how Kaidan (and all your squaddies) survived the beam run. You know why the Normandy left. You even got to see Joker get pissy about it before reluctantly complying with the retreat. You know /where/ they ended up (Sur'kesh). You got to see the Normandy head back home. You know Kaidan knows that you're alive somewhere. From all of that, it's very easy to extrapolate their reunion. Would it have been nice to see it? Sure. But at least now you don't have to guess how it all happened, and you know, for a fact, that it /will/. (Unless you're sadistic and head-cannon that as Shepard's last breath ) Heck - on top of all of that, you can even reliably head-cannon in that EDI and the Geth didn't really die, just that their platforms did, but the programs survive and can be revived.

Honestly, I was one of the big supporters of the ReTake movement - and I was a huge hater of the original endings and the numerous plot-holes. I'm one of those who got so upset that she couldn't play any games (not just ME, but any games) for about a week and a half after finishing ME3 the first time. And I can state now that I am extremely satisfied with the EC, extremely satisfied with the epilogue, and even quite pleased that they managed to show that the starkid was nothing more than a rogue AI.

Maybe the EC wasn't perfect (it wasn't), and maybe there's some things I would have changed (would have loved an actual reunion), but I am content that it has pretty much fixed the worst of the plotholes and given me some rich fodder for my personal head-cannon (which, let's be honest, until now was pretty bleak).

And I KNOW that Kaidan is flying home to Shepard, who was found by recovery squads and is even now being cared for by the Alliance's top medical specialists.

[ladymoonlight86]

LolaLei wrote...

DevSin: You're spot on! There's not even a boss battle to take your frustration out on. I mean, Shepard is the most important character in the Mass Effect series and we don't have a ****ing clue what happens to him/her in the destroy ending. The EC DLC was supposed to provide closure, yet failed to give us any when it came to Shepard's fate after blowing up the Reapers. Sure, Shep takes a gasp of air but we don't know if she'll be rescued or even survive... We don't even know if she's on Earth or the Citadel. You'd think giving us closure for that particular ending would be a priority since it's the only one Shepard actually lives in, without turning into Reaper-Jesus or space DNA.

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

I...agreed with you. For me the destroy version gave me more closure but not enough. I wanted a big boss battle too the first time i finished ME3. But they give us God-child instead and Shepard can't do anything. But with the EC, if you shoot that &%*%, he will kill the cycle for touching him with a bullet that do nothing to him!! (WHY ARE SCREAMING AT ME, YOU LITTLE PIECE OF *&?%...sorry I'm still angry). Anywo, the EC should let us know if the screw reunite with Shepard, the dlc didn't close all of the holes. There are still question to be answer! In the control, in synthesis and in destroy version.

I want, will they gave us more singleplayer DLC instead of more Multiplayer DLC...

[NeverQuiteAwake]

I'm with you there, Ainyan. I spent more time ranting about the original ending on this forum than I ever did playing the game. I haven't touched the game since finishing it over three months ago. I actually had no expectations for the DLC, in fact I didn't give a damn about it at all until a friend mentioned it to me this morning and I was like, what the hell, it's free.

Do I still hate the starchild? Sure I do, but it made at least a little more sense. Also, who else shot the starchild at first for old time's sake and accidentally triggered the rejection ending? Lol.

Still, I got closure. Did that closure require some imagination? Sure, but imagination is my forte. I expected the epilogue to be nothing more than some boring text, but a cool voiceover from Lance Henrikson was better, accompanied by some nice pictures of the characters I love.

I imagine Miranda putting Shepard back together so that when Kaidan comes home they can have a proper reunion.

[TamiBx]

I am just a little sad that I didn't get a reunion, but just knowing that Kaidan "knows" that Shepard is alive makes me feel better.

I watched Synthesis and Destroy ending and I just can't take a green Kaidan. Just...no. I like him with blue aurea. I wonder if his biotics will still be blue (or even if he still has biotics)
And control sounds freaky. Shepard sounds like he/she is god, and I honestly think that was the ultimate renegade choice...

[txmn1016]

TamiBx wrote...

I am just a little sad that I didn't get a reunion, but just knowing that Kaidan "knows" that Shepard is alive makes me feel better.
.

Me too.  You know they'll see eachother again.  And that's enough for me.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

TamiBx wrote...

I am just a little sad that I didn't get a reunion, but just knowing that Kaidan "knows" that Shepard is alive makes me feel better.

I watched Synthesis and Destroy ending and I just can't take a green Kaidan. Just...no. I like him with blue aurea. I wonder if his biotics will still be blue (or even if he still has biotics)
And control sounds freaky. Shepard sounds like he/she is god, and I honestly think that was the ultimate renegade choice...

Yeah, the control ending is creepy as hell. And the synthesis ending still rubs me the wrong way. Could you imagine people hanging out with husks and banshees? Would they talk too?

[Aoibheann]

grumbles burried post... the synth doesn't seem as bad now (judging from the ytube).. but i think my cannon will stay destroy..

Modifié par Aoibheann, 27 juin 2012 - 03:54 .

[Kaidan Fan]

AiLeO wrote...

So I played through the endings again.

Personally I favor the Destroy and Rejection Endings. But overall I am still unsatisfied with the endings. Don't get me wrong, the explanation of the bigger issues made it better for me. But it's still not going to fix the bitter disappointment I felt initially over the endings. I would probably been good with the endings if this was what they were in the first place. I absolutely loved Kaidan's new scenes and surely I can imagine their reunion, but I don't have the warm fuzzies and eagerness to play the game again that I should have.

EDIT: ToP!



Got it from here.

This is now my desktop background.  Thanks 

[shepskisaac]

Question. "Kaidan knows Shep is alive" only plays if you also have "Shep in rubble" scene right? If you don't have high EMS and don't get "Shep in rubble" scene, Kaidan will hand the memorial badge on the wall like in Synthesis and Destory right?

Also, I assume FemShep also gets the same "I'll always love you/I love you too" in the run to the Conduit scene right?