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[Digitalis32]

I hate to bust your party guys but the high EMS sideways glance is a bug - Steve Cortez had exactly the same issue:

Modifié par Digitalis32, 27 juin 2012 - 12:52 .

[madlily]

MageTarot wrote...

madlily wrote...

So I've had a day to think about how I feel about the endings and whilst they were nicely done, they shouldve been the original endings to start with and I still have some issues with plot holes and the likes which im over raging about hehe

I think i'm pretty much done with the ME universe now and would like to say thanks and goodbye to the lovely ladies and gents who have made this a great place to be for the last little while... if you're ever travelling the roads in Guild Wars 2 or on xbox, be sure to say hello.

Take care and peace out!

PS - Kaidan and Femshep will be flying off into the sunset (headcannon says it is so)

Hate to see you go, madlily - you've always been a positive force on this thread.

I was thinking about this earlier - it's amazing to see this community's unity in waiting for the EC to come out so's we could finally get closure with our Kaidans. Now that it's here and done, what's next? Speculate on DLC's and if there will be 'moar Kaidian'? Do we replay all the ME's, hoping we can recaputre that feeling when we knew Kaidan was 'the one' for our Sheps? Or will we start saying our goodbyes and head off to other games?

Me, I think I'm going stick around for a bit and pop in from time to time to see what may be coming up next. Already there has been speculation about unused dialog in the EC files as well as Raphael Sbarge's voice recording sessions (DLC work maybe?)  Maybe it's me but I sort of feel like the Stargazer's grandkid, looking for "one more story" about  "The Kaidan".  I'm hopeful there will be one.

at this point, they could make a Kaidan/Shep romance with babies and retirement to english bay and I wouldnt waste my time with it... I invested all those years to get a swift kick to the nads (if i had any) that then needed to be explained 3 months later cause I was just too dumb to understand the brilliance that is the art of ME...

I'll be reading the ending I want in some of the amazing fanfic's ive found through this thread but then once they are over and done with ME Universe will no longer exist other then as a memory, which makes me want to lay down on my floor and throw the mother of all tantrums because this was my favourite gaming series of all time till I ran into a beam...

I also look forward to some of the potentially amazing fan art that will be spawned from us not getting our happy endings, there are some crazy talented indiviuals who play this series and I cant wait to see their Kaidan/Shepard reunion once they come back to earth and find Shepard

[ShallowlLife9871]

 humm...
i too, just finshed the EC[ all four enddings]  and.. i can't quite make up my mind....

*spoilers ahoey*







i loved the extra sence with Kaidan.. when the manko came down i shouted "NO!!!!"  and then when the normandy showed up? and the whole I'll allways love you? i should have know what was coming...

The Starbrat extra diologue... was ..good. Shep is now makeing an informed dision [ or an acadental one.. 2nd time though...i acadently shot the starbrat and  it left kinda funny cause. i could hear my shep say " we're F&*ked." ]
I loved how you can FINALLY see the impact you choice left on the galxey.

only 2 things anoyed me.
1] was how shep died in almost all enddings.. i did have my heart set on that dreamt reuion with Kaidan...but.. i'm happy with how they handdled it...
2] this is the most obisous point is... why the hell didn't Bioware add this content in the first place? it would have saved them alot of drama..

*end spoilers*

and just to keep thins realted to Kaidan... he is hot.. that is all

[AndreasShepard]

MageTarot wrote...

madlily wrote...


PS - Kaidan and Femshep will be flying off into the sunset (headcannon says it is so)

Hate to see you go, madlily - you've always been a positive force on this thread.

I was thinking about this earlier - it's amazing to see this community's unity in waiting for the EC to come out so's we could finally get closure with our Kaidans. Now that it's here and done, what's next? Speculate on DLC's and if there will be 'moar Kaidian'? Do we replay all the ME's, hoping we can recaputre that feeling when we knew Kaidan was 'the one' for our Sheps? Or will we start saying our goodbyes and head off to other games?

Me, I think I'm going stick around for a bit and pop in from time to time to see what may be coming up next. Already there has been speculation about unused dialog in the EC files as well as Raphael Sbarge's voice recording sessions (DLC work maybe?)  Maybe it's me but I sort of feel like the Stargazer's grandkid, looking for "one more story" about  "The Kaidan".  I'm hopeful there will be one.

I wonder about that too.  Actually woke up this morning feeling really sad, but it wasn't from lack of closure like before it was from realizing that now I have closure and soon it will be time to move on from these characters. But nothing lasts forever and at least I'll always have the beautiful memories.  I'll definitely be hanging around the forums though since it seems like they have a lot more DLC planned (hopefully).

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 27 juin 2012 - 01:16 .

[Digitalis32]

Hopefully a romance DLC  could be an option - hopefully. I know there are going to be some people who will not want it but ....I DO dammit!

Modifié par Digitalis32, 27 juin 2012 - 01:20 .

[AshTheBrave]

Vault N7 wrote...

How did I miss keji in the synthesis ending??!

It shows kasumi talking with Keiji in one of the little slides at the end. In any other ending it shows her staring at his grey box.



On the sideways glance, does anybody have any of the other LI's? Doesn't mean it's a bug, maybe it's just a Destroy high EMS thing instead of a Kaidan (and now Steve) thing.

[Doodle]

Digitalis32 wrote...

Hopefully a romance DLC  could be an option - hopefully. I know there are going to be some people who will not want it but ....I DO dammit!

Agreed!

AshTheBrave wrote...

On the sideways glance, does anybody have any of the other LI's? Doesn't mean it's a bug, maybe it's just a Destroy high EMS thing instead of a Kaidan (and now Steve) thing.

can't tell with Tali...

and she's my only other LI i've done

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 27 juin 2012 - 01:34 .

[Anacruisis]

somehow I feel happy and sad at the same time
maybe its time to move on until there is a new announcement
and I'm so looking forward for the romance DLC

Modifié par Anacruisis, 27 juin 2012 - 01:33 .

[Queenie4000]

AndreasShepard wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

madlily wrote...


PS - Kaidan and Femshep will be flying off into the sunset (headcannon says it is so)

Hate to see you go, madlily - you've always been a positive force on this thread.

I was thinking about this earlier - it's amazing to see this community's unity in waiting for the EC to come out so's we could finally get closure with our Kaidans. Now that it's here and done, what's next? Speculate on DLC's and if there will be 'moar Kaidian'? Do we replay all the ME's, hoping we can recaputre that feeling when we knew Kaidan was 'the one' for our Sheps? Or will we start saying our goodbyes and head off to other games?

Me, I think I'm going stick around for a bit and pop in from time to time to see what may be coming up next. Already there has been speculation about unused dialog in the EC files as well as Raphael Sbarge's voice recording sessions (DLC work maybe?)  Maybe it's me but I sort of feel like the Stargazer's grandkid, looking for "one more story" about  "The Kaidan".  I'm hopeful there will be one.

I wonder about that too.  Actually woke up this morning feeling really sad, but it wasn't from lack of closure like before it was from realizing that now I have closure and soon it will be time to move on from these characters. But nothing lasts forever and at least I'll always have the beautiful memories.  I'll definitely be hanging around the forums though since it seems like they have a lot more DLC planned (hopefully).

^this - my sadness is that is finally final.  It may not have ended the way I would have liked, but its obvious they didn't expect so much uproar and hadn't thought through all the plot holes they made for themselves and had a heck of of a time sticking to "artistic integrity" while fixing said plotholes.  ME has long been my fav RPG, such passion doesn't die easily for me so I will also stick around look for news on anything new.  Not sure I'll go for it because the end of ME3 is, well..the end so anything else seems a bit unimportant to me now, but I'll keep watch for awhile and continue lurking and reading everyones great fan fics as well! <3

[Emerald Rift]

Vault N7 wrote...

I think the placement Of the breath scene was an oversight. The narative obviously didn't hint at Shepard being around, but I think in my mind that Shepard would be having a break rather than being involved.
How did I miss keji in the synthesis ending??!

@madlily don't go 

Ive basically got the ending in my head now, save from hot the Normandy could possible get back but as we have no idea what planet they landed on its for speculation. With the new version it could easily be a colonised world.

SPOILER ALERT!

From a dev:

TullyAckland wrote...

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

[goodventure]

LolaLei wrote...

DevSin: You're spot on! There's not even a boss battle to take your frustration out on. I mean, Shepard is the most important character in the Mass Effect series and we don't have a ****ing clue what happens to him/her in the destroy ending. The EC DLC was supposed to provide closure, yet failed to give us any when it came to Shepard's fate after blowing up the Reapers. Sure, Shep takes a gasp of air but we don't know if she'll be rescued or even survive... We don't even know if she's on Earth or the Citadel. You'd think giving us closure for that particular ending would be a priority since it's the only one Shepard actually lives in, without turning into Reaper-Jesus or space DNA.

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

To be completely honest with you, I am fine with just the suggestion that they reunite, and I preferred it that way.  I understand why someone would want to be shown specifically how Shepard is found and reunited with his or her LI, but I dunno... it would feel forced. I don't think it's necessary to specifically show something along the lines of "Shepard is alive! Look! We found him/her!" when it's already implied the way it is.  I kinda liked the ambiguity.

[Graceyn]

Ianthia wrote...

Welp, I finally finished.

I loved the changes. I really wish it had been that way from the start.
Everything doesn't feel as hopeless as it did before.
I chose destroy on this Shep.. it just fits her too well.. what she fought for from the start.
That being said I do feel bad about EDI and the geth (

The added memorial wall was awesome as well as the extra LI scene. Can't believe I am still crying over a game I have played for months now lol. As I was watching the breath scene I was still thinking.. you know even a search light moving in the background would have made that bit better for me.

For those of you that don't want to d/l it or play again... you may like it. It feels different playing it over watching it... because its "your" experience. More of a connection.


All that being said... gosh I wish they would make a post end dlc. I mean, if they plan on somehow making an ME4 is could be a lead in.. right? *hopeful thinking*

/snip

This.  I am very happy with the EC.  I know there are still plotholes, and I'll work on them for "If It Meant Living", but the thing that just killed me about the original endings was the sense of desolation and despair, the feeling that no matter what you chose, you didn't "win" anything.  That feeling is completely gone, replaced by hope and optimism.

And most of all, the Normandy ISN'T STUCK FOREVER ON LAND OF THE GIANT LOST WORLD!  I wasn't expecting an actual reunion, but in high-EMS Destroy I think it is naturally implied and have no problem believing it; it's not even a stretch.

Bioware devs have made 2 things rather clear on Twitter the last few days:

1) There will be no further ending or post-ending DLCs.
2) There will be more than one pre-ending single-player DLCs, and they are already in development.

And I gotta say, I want to play them

Yes, this is now not merely a dream headcanon, but entirely possible:

English Bay, Vancouver by stickyfingersmcgee

Modifié par Graceyn, 27 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[AndreasShepard]

goodventure wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DevSin: You're spot on! There's not even a boss battle to take your frustration out on. I mean, Shepard is the most important character in the Mass Effect series and we don't have a ****ing clue what happens to him/her in the destroy ending. The EC DLC was supposed to provide closure, yet failed to give us any when it came to Shepard's fate after blowing up the Reapers. Sure, Shep takes a gasp of air but we don't know if she'll be rescued or even survive... We don't even know if she's on Earth or the Citadel. You'd think giving us closure for that particular ending would be a priority since it's the only one Shepard actually lives in, without turning into Reaper-Jesus or space DNA.

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

To be completely honest with you, I am fine with just the suggestion that they reunite, and I preferred it that way.  I understand why someone would want to be shown specifically how Shepard is found and reunited with his or her LI, but I dunno... it would feel forced. I don't think it's necessary to specifically show something along the lines of "Shepard is alive! Look! We found him/her!" when it's already implied the way it is.  I kinda liked the ambiguity.

Yeah but given how much I passionately care about these characters I can't imagine not wanting to see more.  They implied they would re-unite so showing it happen wouldn't have felt forced imo, just more gratifying.  Just seems sort of weird to have them going off to find Shepard and then saying, we will never actually show it happening in our game, you've gotta imagine the whole thing yourself. 

Basically if this is my last and final time to see Kaidan and Shepard at the end I want them to be together, not apart.  Though it would have had to have been done well for sure, like an actual rendered out scene. I'm not a fan of the epilogue slide treatment, it always feels lazy and tacked on.

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 27 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[LolaLei]

AndreasShepard wrote...

goodventure wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DevSin: You're spot on! There's not even a boss battle to take your frustration out on. I mean, Shepard is the most important character in the Mass Effect series and we don't have a ****ing clue what happens to him/her in the destroy ending. The EC DLC was supposed to provide closure, yet failed to give us any when it came to Shepard's fate after blowing up the Reapers. Sure, Shep takes a gasp of air but we don't know if she'll be rescued or even survive... We don't even know if she's on Earth or the Citadel. You'd think giving us closure for that particular ending would be a priority since it's the only one Shepard actually lives in, without turning into Reaper-Jesus or space DNA.

And just because the LI makes a mildly "happy" face and doesn't put the memorial plaque up, doesn't make it obvious enough that he/she thinks Shep is still alive. Would it have killed them to elaborate a little futher and make it obvious that they reunite? All it would haven't take was a epilogue telling us what happened.

To be completely honest with you, I am fine with just the suggestion that they reunite, and I preferred it that way.  I understand why someone would want to be shown specifically how Shepard is found and reunited with his or her LI, but I dunno... it would feel forced. I don't think it's necessary to specifically show something along the lines of "Shepard is alive! Look! We found him/her!" when it's already implied the way it is.  I kinda liked the ambiguity.

Yeah but given how much I passionately care about these characters I can't imagine not wanting to see more.  They implied they would re-unite so showing it happen wouldn't have felt forced imo, just more gratifying.  Just seems sort of weird to have them going off to find Shepard and then saying, we will never actually show it happening in our game, you've gotta imagine the whole thing yourself. 

Basically if this is my last and final time to see Kaidan and Shepard at the end I want them to be together, not apart.  Though it would have had to have been done well for sure, like an actual rendered out scene. I'm not a fan of the epilogue slide treatment, it always feels lazy and tacked on.

I would have been happy with them just adding to the memorial scene that they'd just discovered Shepard was alive, so the LI would be taking down the nameplate instead and then flying off back to Earth to get her. Or even just a tacked on epilogue slider to tell us the Normandy/LI reunited with Shep. It's not that I needed to physically see it happening, I just wanted definitive confirmation that it happens. Hell, right now I'd settle for Casey Hudson confirming it as canon in the destroy ending... just anything!

[Ananka]

After a bit of sleep and rewatching some of the endings my rating of the EC has gone from "meh/slightly disappointed" to "passable". It's not a great ending, there are still problems, but I guess that anything that isn't fixed now will never be fixed and that destroy is the best ending we'll get. And there were some improvements, I did feel like I got more closure and the endings were more satisfying. So the EC was definitely for the better.

I'm going to make a headcanon where Shep and Kaidan reunite, complete a fanfic I have started but not felt motivated enough to finish, and then I'm moving on with my life.
My take on EA/BW now: slightly less pessimistic than when I posted yesterday, I can live with these endings, I might buy future SP DLCs that look good, but I won't preorder anything from BW in a long, long time.

Modifié par Annaka, 27 juin 2012 - 03:41 .

[RyianaT]

I just finished my EC playthough. I'm going to give them props - I am more impressed then I expected. I don't know if that's because it was that good or if my expectations were really low, though.

Someone above noted that the EC has changed the tone of the game from despair to hope and that, above all, I think is what I like about it. ME was never about loss or destruction or hopeless battles, but rather about hope through loss, about striving against unsurmountable odds and surmounting them against all expectations. At the end of the EC, I truly felt that I had "won" the game, and not just destroyed the known universe. Yes, the romantic in me would have liked an actual reunion scene with Kaidan, but I don't need one. My Shep lived (she's too damned stubborn not to) and was found by the people searching for survivors and will be there waiting when the Normandy finally makes it back to earth. Whereas before I had trouble even head cannoning that, now I can do so. So, I'm pleased and may even be able to actually play through some of the other Sheps I created now.

All that being said, Bioware lost some trust with me. I do not understand why all of this ending stuff wasn't included in the original game. Their answers of "we didn't know you wanted it" are mind boggling, since their own comments were on closure and knowing what happens to our people. And I still feel like I spend most of ME 3 building up my EMS only to have it not really matter in the end. Also, the whole fact that I had to play multi-player to get enough EMS for the end scene still bursn me big time. I will not download DLC or buy new games without hearing what actual players (like you guys) thought about it. Pre-ordering is off the table.

So, they regained some ground with me and I give them points for the EC, but trust has to be earned again once it is lost. I do wish them well though and hope that the comments and struggle that came out of this will be kept in mind as they develop future games. I have hope again, as mushy and cheesy as this sounds, that maybe Bioware can one day be again my favorite game developer.

Modifié par RyianaT, 27 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[Myaku1313]

I'm content with my Kaidan destroy ending. ^o^/ I like seeing the different emotions he displays and there is that open ending where it hints that Shep is alive and gets to spend time with her/his LI (After some time in the ICU) that made me have a warm fuzzy feeling. Leaves it up to your imagination to fill in the blanks. Not completely happy with the Borg Kaidan ending. That was just strange.

[txmn1016]

@the High EMS sideways glance

I don't think it's a bug. I think it was just a facial expression given to the humans (although I don't know about Ash). And I thought it was damn cute/utterly heart breaking. It made me think that the LI wasn't ready to put that name plate up. And it turned out I was right

Now onto more pressing business. The Garrus gals have already made amazing gifs of the pick up scene. And now I feel that I really need some heartbreaking Kaidan gifs. I have no idea how to make gifs so somebody get on this. You can have whatever feels I have left that Doodle hasn't already claimed. Pretty please???

[txmn1016]

RyianaT wrote...

I just finished my EC playthough. I'm going to give them props - I am more impressed then I expected. I don't know if that's because it was that good or if my expectations were really low, though.

Someone above noted that the EC has changed the tone of the game from despair to hope and that, above all, I think is what I like about it. ME was never about loss or destruction or hopeless battles, but rather about hope through loss, about striving against unsurmountable odds and surmounting them against all expectations. At the end of the EC, I truly felt that I had "won" the game, and not just destroyed the known universe. Yes, the romantic in me would have liked an actual reunion scene with Kaidan, but I don't need one. My Shep lived (she's too damned stubborn not to) and was found by the people searching for survivors and will be there waiting when the Normandy finally makes it back to earth. Whereas before I had trouble even head cannoning that, now I can do so. So, I'm pleased and may even be able to actually play through some of the other Sheps I created now.

All that being said, Bioware lost some trust with me. I do not understand why all of this ending stuff wasn't included in the original game. Their answers of "we didn't know you wanted it" are mind boggling, since their own comments were on closure and knowing what happens to our people. And I still feel like I spend most of ME 3 building up my EMS only to have it not really matter in the end. Also, the whole fact that I had to play multi-player to get enough EMS for the end scene still bursn me big time. I will not download DLC or buy new games without hearing what actual players (like you guys) thought about it. Pre-ordering is off the table.

So, they regained some ground with me and I give them points for the EC, but trust has to be earned again once it is lost. I do wish them well though and hope that the comments and struggle that came out of this will be kept in mind as they develop future games. I have hope again, as mushy and cheesy as this sounds, that maybe Bioware can one day be again my favorite game developer.

Oh, such a good post.  I found myself agreeing with you on most of this.  I think the EC was a success precisely because it so fundamentally altered the overall feel of the game.  The first time I played I was ready to chuck myself off a bridge.  This time I was still devastated but I felt that I got closure.  I put the controller down and thought, ok, I can deal with that.  

But like you said, all this EC crap should have been included to begin with.  The original ending seems laughable now.   I've spent the past few months trying to wrap my mind around it/come to terms with it and I felt like I was almost there.  Now after playing through the EC and I can't help but look back and think what a load of garbage the original endings were.  

So yeah,  BW definitely lost some trust.  Because of the ludicrous endings, how they dealt with the feedback (PR wise) afterward, the Day 1 DLC, etc.  I really hope the EC is some kind of idicator that they learned a lesson but part of me thinks that the damage has already been done to what was once an awesome little company.  Not sure I'll be preordering DA3.  Which is sad because I personally loved both DAO and DA2.  But you know, this whole experience just left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm not sure that I'll be able to put my heart and money on the line again only to be disapointed.  

Anywho, maybe they'll just keep changing my mind by including moar Kaidan in DLCs.  Anything cold happen! 

[Doodle]

www.youtube.com/watch


aww

i think i need to use up some of txmn feels..

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 27 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[txmn1016]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch


aww

i think i need to use up some of txmn feels..

Holy crap.  Steve and Vega looked freaking hot in those.  "fans self"

Edit:  I feel like that might have been a slightly innapropriate response.  It was very sad.  Yes. 

Modifié par txmn1016, 27 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[ShallowlLife9871]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch


aww

i think i need to use up some of txmn feels..

I love that Smile Vega Gives....Sigh...if only you were romanceable... and that Kaidan Smile..PHEW <3<3


what! i love smiles on a guy... 

Modifié par ShallowlLife9871, 27 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[Kunari801]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch


aww

i think i need to use up some of txmn feels..

:crying:  I need a moment. 

Modifié par Kunari801, 27 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[shepskisaac]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch


aww

i think i need to use up some of txmn feels..

Hahaha Javik's 1 milimeter smile xD Perfect. Steve's smile <333333

[Kaidan Fan]

RyianaT wrote

Someone above noted that the EC has changed the tone of the game from despair to hope and that, above all, I think is what I like about it. ME was never about loss or destruction or hopeless battles, but rather about hope through loss, about striving against unsurmountable odds and surmounting them against all expectations. At the end of the EC, I truly felt that I had "won" the game, and not just destroyed the known universe. Yes, the romantic in me would have liked an actual reunion scene with Kaidan, but I don't need one. My Shep lived (she's too damned stubborn not to) and was found by the people searching for survivors and will be there waiting when the Normandy finally makes it back to earth. Whereas before I had trouble even head cannoning that, now I can do so. So, I'm pleased and may even be able to actually play through some of the other Sheps I created now.

Thats what the game was about to me too.

I did my canon Shepard (Kaidan) and picked destroy.  I had high EMS so it was good.  I liked it.  The extra scene with Kaidan made me cry.

Then I did my one Garrus romancer and picked high EMS destroy and the extra scene with him I sobbed like a baby.  OMG, he said it.  He loves me!

So overall, I liked it a lot.  It made things much better for me.  There were still things that I had problems with, mostly the fact that they tried to paint the reapers as not such bad guys, they're just doing their job, ya know! and the stargazer thing.  To me it just doesn't make sense with the new endings and that I felt like they were making synthesis the best ending and its still (imo) bad!

So that was my take on it. 

Also, Madlily, you should just stay around in lurker mode and comment when you want, don't leave us!