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[devSin]

Don't you ever feel like it'll lose its impact if you keep watching it?

I know I've only seen it twice. It's probably going to be quite some time before I see it again. (Hopefully by that time there will be even more Kaidan content earlier in the game.)

[AndreasShepard]

devSin wrote...

Don't you ever feel like it'll lose its impact if you keep watching it?

I know I've only seen it twice. It's probably going to be quite some time before I see it again. (Hopefully by that time there will be even more Kaidan content earlier in the game.)

I only ever really get the full impact the first three or four times anyway and I couldn't help but watch it like ten times the day the EC came out, partly because I replayed the ending four times and watched it on youtube the other six or so.  It still makes me happy to watch it though.

[goodventure]

devSin wrote...

Don't you ever feel like it'll lose its impact if you keep watching it?

I know I've only seen it twice. It's probably going to be quite some time before I see it again. (Hopefully by that time there will be even more Kaidan content earlier in the game.)

For me, it will never lose its impact! It's like watching my favorite scene in a movie over and over again until I memorize every nuance in the scene.  It's just so perfect for me... a culimination of everything I love about M!Shep and Kaidan.  Though I'll admit I mainly keep replaying it for the "I love you" part, haha.

[Mimitochan]

chibievil wrote...

‘Shepard, i stole your Favourite Hoodie, if you want it back you would have to take it from meLove KA’

Ahah nice, hoodie grabbed Kaidan looks too cute 

blmlozz wrote...

Masochistic? Wouldn't say that. Sadness, written correctly, can be just as rewarding as any other emotion.
You basically read these because it makes you feel for the characters, and remember why you enjoy them, if all you did was read sad fics then yes, that would be kind of weird, but what you should do, is read a couple of good ones, then read a sad one,

Hey, thanks for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate you took the time to answer. But no, it doesn't make sense to me, as an individual. I mean I can intellectually get your point, but I don't empathize at all. I had never read fanfic before. The last time in my life I could picture myself doing so was about 19 years ago, when I read Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar Tapestry - OMG! He's Canadian too! Full circle!!  At the time, fanfic was a lot more difficult to access cause Internet didn't exist (alright, I'm a dinosaur). 
Some time later, here I find myself looking for some ways to rekindle my ME flame, or rather to let it die the easiest way possible. My mind is such that I don't headcanon, I don't make interpretations, that's why I was rather dubious about the value of fan fiction. But I did read a few of them that were really good, and none of them that were bad or sad actually, cause I didn't read that much. That's why I don't see the point for myself to read sad fiction.

because that's how life goes. It's not all happy roses, reading a sad fic once in a while makes the good ones even more rewarding because you *know* how bad it can be. Make sense?

The ME series is an interactive game series. That's how I apprehend it. As a form of entertainment that enables you to play a role in a predefined story. I never expected ME to teach me lessons about life, same goes about ME fanfic. I expect it to take my mind off the real world and to enable me to experience adventures and emotions otherwise out of my reach. Agony is not part of what I'm looking for, but that's just me. There is beauty in sadness, but I can only "enjoy" it as a detached spectator - say at the cinema, not as an actor. Of course, in fanfic, your stance is different than in-game, but again, this is not the experience that I was looking for when I started playing ME.

[devSin]

AndreasShepard wrote...

I only ever really get the full impact the first three or four times anyway and I couldn't help but watch it like ten times the day the EC came out, partly because I replayed the ending four times and watched it on youtube the other six or so.  It still makes me happy to watch it though.

I guess I can understand that.

For me, I wouldn't want to take away from future times I play the game (I want all the emotion to still be there, even though I'm pretty sure it won't be). I'm probably just being silly (maybe I think if I don't see it too many times there will still be that impact and appreciation there was the first time I saw it). I don't like watching only parts of movies, where you can't get the full effect from having seen everything that leads to your favorite part, and I do the same thing for video games, I guess.

The only scenes I can watch a lot are the ones I know I'll never actually play in the game. I don't know, though. Maybe it is better to just spoil yourself with the parts you like now that it's all over.

blmlozz wrote...

A side-mission that will do nothing for the story line and change nothing of the ending, it'll be some useless EMS score in the end and that sadden's me, because what *I* would like to see are side-missions without Shepard as the main character. Kaidan going to rescue his squad, Samara going back to thessia, ect.

I want these more than the "virtual date" romance DLC ideas. I want to help Kaidan find his students (he finds some, but I don't think he ever found all of them) or even his dad or whatever. I want to help son Grunt put his new company through its paces. I want to help Steve recover the Hammerhead. I want to help Javik put the rest of the Collectors out the airlock.

All these wonderful character moments are being passed up for something taken from a planet description from the original game, or for dealing with criminals on Omega yet again. But at this point I guess we just have to settle with possibly getting some banter on those missions (which I guess doesn't really bother me too much; it was nice to hear from Kaidan on Eden Prime, so having just that level of interaction for all the DLC missions would still be welcome).

Modifié par devSin, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:48 .

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...

I have no doubt that their resources will be selected for content that can approach a wide-range of audiences. If that romance poll has shown anything, is that there's no clear singular winner in terms of the ' most popular ' contest for L/I, if anything the stuff they did for thane,jack,jacob and maybe even tali are proof that they don't really give two ****s about the less important characters.
 

I've never played LOTSB, but it seems obvious to me that Liara got her own DLC cause she was Bioware's favourite (and/or Shepard's canon romance) from the start or somewhere between ME1 and ME2. The fact that she's very popular just encouraged them to do it cause they saw profitability in the project. 

Quite frankly, I don't see any love at all from Bioware for Kaidan's character. It just about the same amount of love they have for femShep or any secondary character such as Thane & co. The only difference is precisely the metrics they got from players that allowed the upload of their in-game statistics, and those statistics aren't coupled with demographics, so it's still incomplete data. EDIT > need to check that though, what's in Origin and EA account details?

So the stats and some qualitative feedback they got from the community enabled the miracle of having some characters more enhanced than others. We were lucky to still have some Kaidan, or Ashley, cause I wouldn't have been surprised at all if they had just got ridden of them two after Horizon and we'd never ever heard from them after that. When I see what they did to Miranda, I just feel sorry.
  

 because what *I* would like to see are side-missions without Shepard as the main character. Kaidan going to rescue his squad, Samara going back to thessia, ect.

Yes, that would be interesting indeed, but not what would trigger any buying intentions from me. If I were Bioware, I would probably just focus on ME0, a prequel, or another series set in the same universe. I didn't read anything else (comics, novels, etc.), so there is a lot of lore I'm not aware of, but seeing that Vega is not a romance option, and with the N7 promotion etc. i have the intuition he was tested as a main hero for a new game. He was introduced as the ME newbie companion, it would make sense to have him carry on. Or maybe the British Major, ah, Coates.

The only thing I can see these things doing is probably letting me vent a little bit. Video games are the last form of story driven media where 'adult content' it still taboo. Which is halrious when you think that a majority of studies have show most video game players are 30-40 years old.

You know, from the fiasco of the original ME3 ending, I'm not too sure if Bioware is very good at knowing its market.
As someone said in some other thread, if they had focus grouped it, all of this would never have happened.
But somehow I have the feeling that they (used to) benefit of some sort of untouchable status, being in the video game industry, that marketing rules don't apply to them, because their creative process supposedly implies to rely on their gutts, therefore the "artistic integrity" argument. Hopefully, the whole issue has questioned the setting of new rules for the industry as a whole, to the benefit of players. 

I sure would be interested  to have some of the metrics you're talking about, do you have any links for studies or articles?

You know what else is great? The fact that we're even talking about this is a testimate to how entangled we are in Bioware's web and how much we love the characters they've created for us. It just goes to show that they've done a great job already.

That's precisely  why I'm currently contemplating the option not to touch any ME game again.
Quite ironically, to me, ME1 is the only worthy game out of the 3, and the only one I never bought.
I was planning to do so, but that decision really poses me a problem now.
Same goes about my participating here, on the BSN.

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Well i'm off~

i'm sure this thread can last without me...

Stop it already

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[LanceSolous13]

Out of everything mentioned for Kaidan, if this Romance DLC goes anywhere, I think our best bet would be searching out and finding his Biotic Squad. Seems the most logical unless they want to add a plot point rather than build on one.

[Mimitochan]

AndreasShepard wrote...

devSin wrote...

Don't you ever feel like it'll lose its impact if you keep watching it?

I know I've only seen it twice. It's probably going to be quite some time before I see it again. (Hopefully by that time there will be even more Kaidan content earlier in the game.)

I only ever really get the full impact the first three or four times anyway and I couldn't help but watch it like ten times the day the EC came out, partly because I replayed the ending four times and watched it on youtube the other six or so. It still makes me happy to watch it though.

My favourite scenes are different, but while I didn't really intend to rewatch them, I still wanted them to look perfect - cause yeah, I am a crazy perfectionist.

My FemShep is custom, i went through a lot of trouble to make her look like anything like the one I had "created" in ME1, and she still feels wrong. So, her story in ME3 feels yet unfinished, cause it's not exactly the same person to me. The parts where her apperance is the most critical are obviously the romantic scenes, so i HAD to play them over and over again, to check for consistency and look and feel. 

So at the moment, it just feels like an overdose, and I'm planning to let the whole thing go.

EDIT > anybody can explain that to me? "The Daniels/Donnelly and Garrus/Tali dialogues should be remapped so a player with Kaidan alive can experience them."

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > anybody can explain that to me? "The Daniels/Donnelly and Garrus/Tali dialogues should be remapped so a player with Kaidan alive can experience them."

it's known as the mighty engineering bug...

it's been fixed

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > anybody can explain that to me? "The Daniels/Donnelly and Garrus/Tali dialogues should be remapped so a player with Kaidan alive can experience them."

it's known as the mighty engineering bug...

it's been fixed

You mean it's been fixed before the survey was out? Anyway, both engineers are dead in my current playthrough.
EDIT > ah, alright, I never got the middle Tali/Garrus banter, but they did hook up at the end. So when was that fixed? Is there a patch?

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:59 .

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > anybody can explain that to me? "The Daniels/Donnelly and Garrus/Tali dialogues should be remapped so a player with Kaidan alive can experience them."

it's known as the mighty engineering bug...

it's been fixed

You mean it's been fixed before the survey was out? Anyway, both engineers are dead in my current playthrough.
EDIT > ah, alright, I never got the middle Tali/Garrus banter, but they did hook up at the end. So when was that fixed? Is there a patch?

They fixed it in the EC DLC, and tali + garrus hooking up wasn't in engineering so wasn't affected by that bug

[Aurora313]

Shepard: Hold on! This could get interesting!
Kaidan: Define 'interesting'!
Shepard: 'Oh, God. Oh God, we're going to die'!
Kaidan: Why in hell do I even let you drive?!
Shepard: 'Cause I'm so damned pretty!
Kaidan: How does that even make sense?!!

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[Doodle]

Aurora313 wrote...




Shepard: Hold on! This could get interesting!
Kaidan: Define 'interesting'!
Shepard: 'Oh, God. Oh God, we're going to die'!
Kaidan: Why in hell do I even let you drive?!
Shepard: 'Cause I'm so damned pretty!
Kaidan: How does that even make sense?!!

oh kaidan....

you don't know it yet

[Aurora313]

Sorry. But if non-romanced, I imagine Kaidan and Shepard constantly needling at each other like bickering siblings. Plus - my headcanon has them both as firefly fans, which is where Shepard and Kaidan's first lines come from.

[Doodle]

Aurora313 wrote...

Sorry. But if non-romanced, I imagine Kaidan and Shepard constantly needling at each other like bickering siblings. Plus - my headcanon has them both as firefly fans, which is where Shepard and Kaidan's first lines come from.

oh well...



don't mind actually, just thought i'd be funny...

but alas

[Aurora313]

I don't romance Kaidan with M!Shep... especially in my Duet Effect headcanon. Cause by the very very very far away ending - like post-destroy epilogue, they become Brothers-in-law. And mate, that'd just be creepy.

But, DE headcanon aside, My Shepard would totally rock his world. Male or female.

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[JamesS.]

Now don't shoot the messenger people but I have some potential news. Good for some and bad for others...

This is very hush hush and I am not supposed to say anything but I am very upset, with no offense to the gay people, so I had to vent it here! I am actually not even sure its true but my source at Bioware is usually not wrong. He was right back then 6 month's before me3 when telling me about Kaidan being bi in male shep world. Or actually Bioware called it more like a "mod", my friend said their reason to turn him was because people was gonna make mods anyways so they might as well make money out of it and make it easier for those people and thats why he is not completely bi with a bi past and all but that's another issue.

My friend says they are "discussing" the idea of Kaidan coming completely out of the closet and being purely gay and no more romancable by fem shep in future dlc since the gay fanbase is larger and more out there and more verbal in the forums. By future dlc he explicitly said even though he is already romanced by fem shep she might not get any new content with him, only male shep will, this will mean less work for Bioware when making romance content only for male shep. Of course not in the game it self but only in dlc. He says xxxxx from Bioware said straight women wants Garrus! And if they want Kaidan they are not loud enough!
He says they don't hear enough from straight females and the vs in general isn't that popular to begin with. He also says nothing has been decided for certain yet and half the team don't want it and that he is not part of the deciding team but that they have a lot of dlc planned and limited money. If this is true then I am done with Bioware! Even though the game is done and everything, there is lots of dlc on the way and this is not fair!

Hopefully I will have more info as time passes and I will post them here!

I am actually betraying my friend here so I hope they don't find out who he is.... :-(

[Aurora313]

Uh - I'm a straight woman.. My Fem!Shep is a straight woman. And we both want Kaidan... except for my Bro!Shep who wants Ash, but meh.

I don't see what's so appealing about the Garrus romance. He's too much of a protege.

It's their fault for neglecting the VS in the goddamned first place and that's what made them 'unpopular'. The Sh!t writing of Horizon did NOTHING to help matters either. Yah know, if the VS was at least willing to hear Shepard out, or even be availible for contact on the Citadel - even if it's just the same 4 paths of dialogue like Anderson - then that would have gone BRILLIANTLY.

[Mimitochan]

Enigma1322 wrote...

Now don't shoot the messenger people but I have some potential news. Good for some and bad for others...

This is very hush hush and I am not supposed to say anything but I am very upset, with no offense to the gay people, so I had to vent it here! I am actually not even sure its true but my source at Bioware is usually not wrong. He was right back then 6 month's before me3 when telling me about Kaidan being bi in male shep world. Or actually Bioware called it more like a "mod", my friend said their reason to turn him was because people was gonna make mods anyways so they might as well make money out of it and make it easier for those people and thats why he is not completely bi with a bi past and all but that's another issue.

My friend says they are "discussing" the idea of Kaidan coming completely out of the closet and being purely gay and no more romancable by fem shep in future dlc since the gay fanbase is larger and more out there and more verbal in the forums. By future dlc he explicitly said even though he is already romanced by fem shep she might not get any new content with him, only male shep will, this will mean less work for Bioware when making romance content only for male shep. Of course not in the game it self but only in dlc. He says xxxxx from Bioware said straight women wants Garrus! And if they want Kaidan they are not loud enough!
He says they don't hear enough from straight females and the vs in general isn't that popular to begin with. He also says nothing has been decided for certain yet and half the team don't want it and that he is not part of the deciding team but that they have a lot of dlc planned and limited money. If this is true then I am done with Bioware! Even though the game is done and everything, there is lots of dlc on the way and this is not fair!

Hopefully I will have more info as time passes and I will post them here!

I am actually betraying my friend here so I hope they don't find out who he is.... :-(

Whaaaaat? I can't believe this is true.
If it is then this is War.
I'd certainly would like to know where they get their stats from.
EDIT > what does vs stand for?

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:39 .

[Ageless Face]

Enigma1322 wrote...

Now don't shoot the messenger people but I have some potential news. Good for some and bad for others...

This is very hush hush and I am not supposed to say anything but I am very upset, with no offense to the gay people, so I had to vent it here! I am actually not even sure its true but my source at Bioware is usually not wrong. He was right back then 6 month's before me3 when telling me about Kaidan being bi in male shep world. Or actually Bioware called it more like a "mod", my friend said their reason to turn him was because people was gonna make mods anyways so they might as well make money out of it and make it easier for those people and thats why he is not completely bi with a bi past and all but that's another issue.

My friend says they are "discussing" the idea of Kaidan coming completely out of the closet and being purely gay and no more romancable by fem shep in future dlc since the gay fanbase is larger and more out there and more verbal in the forums. By future dlc he explicitly said even though he is already romanced by fem shep she might not get any new content with him, only male shep will, this will mean less work for Bioware when making romance content only for male shep. Of course not in the game it self but only in dlc. He says xxxxx from Bioware said straight women wants Garrus! And if they want Kaidan they are not loud enough!
He says they don't hear enough from straight females and the vs in general isn't that popular to begin with. He also says nothing has been decided for certain yet and half the team don't want it and that he is not part of the deciding team but that they have a lot of dlc planned and limited money. If this is true then I am done with Bioware! Even though the game is done and everything, there is lots of dlc on the way and this is not fair!

Hopefully I will have more info as time passes and I will post them here!

I am actually betraying my friend here so I hope they don't find out who he is.... :-(

Okay I'm sorry to jump out of nowhere.... But is this for real? That can't be real... Right?

Please tell me this is a joke.

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > what does vs stand for?

VS = Virmire Survivor

it's basicly Kaidan/Ashley

Edit: @that info

I do hope it's not real...

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:46 .

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > what does vs stand for?

VS = Virmire Survivor

it's basicly Kaidan/Ashley

What would i do without you?

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay I'm sorry to jump out of nowhere.... But is this for real? That can't be real... Right?

Please tell me this is a joke.

I don't know... and here i was thinking about letting go...
Maybe that's some sort of false rumor or propaganda to trigger our interest.
EDIT > i'm gonna be so burning things down if this is true.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > what does vs stand for?

VS = Virmire Survivor

it's basicly Kaidan/Ashley

What would i do without you?

Wait longer for a answer

Mimitochan wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay I'm sorry to jump out of nowhere.... But is this for real? That can't be real... Right?

Please tell me this is a joke.

I don't know... and here i was thinking about letting go...
Maybe that's some sort of false rumor or propaganda to trigger our interest.
EDIT > i'm gonna be so burning things down if this is true.

if this is true...

I'd be upset and my forum sisters will be pissed

Edit: can i burn things down with you?

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 05 juillet 2012 - 01:00 .

[Theodoro]

@Enigma1322:

I seriously hope that is not true because it's an insult to all FemShep/Kaidan supporters like myself who've had their Shepard faithful to him ever since Mass Effect 1. What BioWare supposedly say makes absolutely no sense because it's so obvious that Kaidan's interested in FemShep ever since then and has been in love with her throughout the series. It makes no sense for him to suddenly stop that. And yes, I sincerely hope this is a joke or a misheard rumor. Surely they know they're walking on thin ground with the romances already, and if they put FemShep/Kaidan on the sidelines as well, there'll be a lot of angry fans like myself. And that's why I think that this is not true since it'll be a huge slap on the face on their part.

Anyway, just wanted to voice my opinion, back to lurking...

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Edit: can i burn things down with you?

Anytime Doodle

EDIT > fuel can or matchstick?

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 01:05 .