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[Charoleia]

devSin wrote...

Can we please knock it off with the same-sex romance junk? Have as much of a problem with it as you feel is necessary; BioWare obviously disagreed. It's not a debate that will have any impact beyond people getting upset.

Huh ? 

[Doodle]

Charoleia wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

Charoleia wrote...
I must say that's one thing I totally love in Kaidan ME3 looks...  I can't imagine Kaidan without it now !

I think I prefered young Alenko who knew how to shave with that lovely shadow under his cheeks.

http://t3.gstatic.co...CxWuh1_2d00zN3Q

That's it, I'm thirsty.

Then have a drink with Kaidan !

better idea

[txmn1016]

Yikes, devSin. Were people getting so riled up about it that it upset you that much? Didn't really see any hating going on but I've been skimming mostly so maybe I missed it...

I think it's an ok thing to discuss. I mean, he was presented as a love interest for femshep in the first 2 games and only a love interest for broshep in the last game so I think it's natural that people want to discuss how this fits in to the overall narrative.

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

 better idea

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Not. That. GIF. Again.
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Some obscure part of my being can't help but think: "OK."

txmn1016 wrote...

Yikes, devSin. Were people getting so riled up about it that it upset you that much? Didn't really see any hating going on but I've been skimming mostly so maybe I missed it...

I think it's an ok thing to discuss. I mean, he was presented as a love interest for femshep in the first 2 games and only a love interest for broshep in the last game so I think it's natural that people want to discuss how this fits in to the overall narrative.

Agreed, i think we're being pretty civil here.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:08 .

[Charoleia]

@DevSin

I'm not being upset because he's gay, I'm annoyed because he wasn't in ME1 (from my point of view at least).
I've explained it in my post - maybe with a poor choice of word, I'm sorry, I'm not a native english speaker and my english is rather awful, I concede (the fact is I am not always pretty clear even in my own language )

I'm sorry if I appeared to you as a homophobic person, because it's really not the case... 



... We'll bang, Ok ?

Okay !!!

(love that gif )

 

[Charoleia]

Okay, so let's make things clear

[AshTheBrave]

Mimitochan wrote...

You can "turn" Kaidan renegade.
He can't help but love you anyway.

Does it effect much? Dialogue?

[Doodle]

Not sure if appropriate for forum...

but whatever heres links

Link 1
Link 2

Edit: Link 1 decided to disappear on me...

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:25 .

[devSin]

Charoleia wrote...

I'm not being upset because he's gay, I'm annoyed because he wasn't in ME1 (from my point of view at least).

The straight-by-default assertion always bothers me.

Kaidan's sexuality didn't change. Because you perceived it one way does not mean that he was ever identified as exclusively heterosexual (and some of the instances you bring up don't ever even happen in a universe where Shepard is male).

To me, saying you're disappointed is saying that somehow the character has been diminished by finally being able to express how he feels about male Shepard. And that does upset me.

Modifié par devSin, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:27 .

[blmlozz]

TheMiffins wrote...

Charoleia wrote...

Actually, though I tend to consider them myself as s/s, Liara in ME1 was not considered as a lesbian romance but as a xenophile one. Same for Samara/Morinth. But I agree with you on that point.

Kelly and Diana ? Come on, there are not real romance. And I didn't even know FemShep could hit on Diana. I never romanced Kelly myself but all the FemShep I know who did - did it for Kelly to manage their fish tank (I prefered to check on them myself or let them die, no way I'd hit on Kelly - not after hearing Mordin's suspicions anyway )

The only real female s/s romance is Traynor. She's the only human lesbian character.

I am happy for gay BroShep, but I was rather surprised when I discovered Kaidan could be romanced by BroShep... I was a little disapointed... because AGAIN a male character changes his sexuality based on the gender of the player (like Anders in DA2 which annoyed me a lot).

Kaidan appears as straight in ME1 : his story with Rhanna in BaAT, his comments on Chora's Den, the compliments to FemShep... In his apology for Horizon, he says that he was seeing a doctor.... (hmm okay, the gender of the doctor is not given in english, but I think in french it was - though it could be an interpretation from the (crappy) french dub team).

And then, bam ! ME3, he turns out to be bi (for MShep - he is straight for FemShep).
If at least, it had been implied in ME1 that he was, I would have no problem with it. And I don't know... I felt like "yeah, he's sensitive, posed, he does have a nice firm ass, let's make him gay"... just too cliché <_<

So I prefer to see him as not gay : just in love with Shep, whatever his gender. A bit like Garrus when he says : "I'm not into humans. Just you."
I feel like it's more like his character (and I like to imagine BroShep going jealous when Kaidan peers at Miranda's ass or Jack's breast  )

In reguards of the troll, it's not even a rumor... just a post here on the Kaidan thread... IT'S A TRAP.

Edit : And then, why can't Ash turn bi as well ? My characters are usually always straight but maybe I would have tried a s/s romance with Ash if she was.

I don't think they throw it in there as a bone to the LGBT community. During the whole dialogue on the citadel when you first initiate the romance, I feel Kaidan coming to Shepard as something that he didn't initially have but that has grown over the past years they've known each other. Kaidan is probably more into girls, but at the end of the world he wanted something with someone he knows and cares for - Shepard.

It's a bit how you percieve it I suppose. For me, I suspected he was bi at least in ME1, and somewhat upset when I foundout my gaydar had been deceived. Facutaly however, I don't remember Kaidan ever declaring his sexuality in ME1 or ME2. The reason why I love that they choose Kaidan for this role (beyond the glaring realization that he's the only viable character after all the other male figures are considered..) is because he's not some last-minuite job like Cortez, or Traynor are. He's an established character who has been with Shepard from the begining, so there's a connection there (fan-made or not) already. I don't have to start trying to 'get to know' Cortez, or Trayner, I already know Kaidan.. I already know that I had dared to hope, and finnaly was given an opportunity to act on it. The reality is, that people who romance him as a femshep only meet this realization on the forums, I can't entirely feel too upset for them, I could possibly feel a little for players who liked Kaidan as a 'friend' and suddenly that friend is a bit too friendly, but you know what-- that happens in real life. If you have problems with the akwardness of S/S relationships, the reality is that it's not going to get much easier for you as it becomes more socially acceptable. 

The straight-by-default assertion always bothers me.

Kaidan's sexuality didn't change. Because you perceived it one way does not mean that he was ever identified as exclusively heterosexual (and some of the instances you bring up don't ever even happen in a universe where Shepard is male).

To me, saying you're disappointed is saying that somehow the character has been diminished by finally being able to express how he feels about male Shepard. And that does upset me. 

I agree..

Modifié par blmlozz, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:32 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Kaidan coming on to ManShep was too sudden and seemed forced. Unlike Cortez's romance which was actually done well.

[Doodle]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Kaidan coming on to ManShep was too sudden and seemed forced. Unlike Cortez's romance which was actually done well.

excuses again

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .

[krukow]

devSin wrote...

Charoleia wrote...

I'm not being upset because he's gay, I'm annoyed because he wasn't in ME1 (from my point of view at least).

The straight-by-default assertion always bothers me.

Kaidan's sexuality didn't change. Because you perceived it one way does not mean that he was ever identified as exclusively heterosexual (and some of the instances you bring up don't ever even happen in a universe where Shepard is male).

To me, saying you're disappointed is saying that somehow the character has been diminished by finally being able to express how he feels about male Shepard. And that does upset me.

Ashley says it in Chora's Den.  Kaidan doesn't get women.

[blmlozz]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Kaidan coming on to ManShep was too sudden and seemed forced. Unlike Cortez's romance which was actually done well.

With no disrespect ment, what I took form his L/I was I was helping a friend overcome the death of his husband and then proceeding to get crunked at the club and getting into his pants. I found it on the verge of being predatory and stereotypical. Gay men dancing at a night club...I'm shocked Shepard and Cortez had their shirts on still.

The parts about Sheparding helping him get over his husband were great. Even the **** talking between him an Vega was pretty well done. Everything after that was a cluster****

lol? 

I had no idea Cortez was gay until the first talk with him and I asked about family and he just blurts out "I had a husband".. 

If that wasn't sudden, I don't know what the term means anymore. It certainly wasn't subtle 

Agreed.. I think they could have eased into that *much* more subtly and in a less 'I'm gay look at me' sort of way. That goes back into my discussion in another thread about how both of these L/I's seem forced or akward, although Kaidan is better obviously since there's *some* implied background if you want to believe it... That reminds me of an article I loved on this particular topic..
http://www.gamefront...-in-gay-heaven/ 
less- here this person is, he's a s/s romanceable character- pick him/her. more oh, here's this character, and if you talk to her enough she *might* mention that she kinda likes you too! Kadian was more of the latter, clearly cortez was the former. That's why Kaidan's romance works a lot better for me at least. 

Modifié par blmlozz, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:45 .

[BP93]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Kaidan coming on to ManShep was too sudden and seemed forced. Unlike Cortez's romance which was actually done well.

lol?

I had no idea Cortez was gay until the first talk with him and I asked about family and he just blurts out "I had a husband"..

If that wasn't sudden, I don't know what the term means anymore. It certainly wasn't subtle.

[AshTheBrave]

krukow wrote...

Ashley says it in Chora's Den.  Kaidan doesn't get women.

Lol. Well that one can go wither way. I know plenty of straight guys who don't get women. 

[txmn1016]

AshTheBrave wrote...

krukow wrote...

Ashley says it in Chora's Den.  Kaidan doesn't get women.

Lol. Well that one can go wither way. I know plenty of straight guys who don't get women. 

I'm married to one so I can attest to the truth of this statement.  

[TheMiffins]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Kaidan coming on to ManShep was too sudden and seemed forced. Unlike Cortez's romance which was actually done well.

I don't think waiting three years to confess your feelings is rushed or forced, my opinion anyhow.

[devSin]

blmlozz wrote...

Done well? You find helping a friend overcome the death of his husband and then proceed to get crunked at the club and getting into his pants done well? I found it on the verge of being predatory and stereotypical. Gay men dancing at a night club...I'm shocked Shepard and Cortez had their shirts on still.

I think he's saying that Cortez had flashing lights and sirens. You know right away that he's the gay guy, and there's no way you could end up having a spontaneous romantic moment with him unless you choose it (because you'll see it coming).

Kaidan, meanwhile, treats you like a person. The romance is handled no different than were it opposite-sex (it's not any more "forced" than it is when he asks female Shepard if there's more to their feelings than just friendship and respect). That said, I wouldn't have been opposed to being able to drop mad hints before the date. He already accuses you of flirting with him in the hospital; it might have been nice to throw an actual flirt or two his way. ;-)

AshTheBrave wrote...

Lol. Well that one can go wither way. I know plenty of straight guys who don't get women.

I'm not sure what krukow was intending to say?

No men get women, not really.

[TheMiffins]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Not sure if appropriate for forum...

but whatever heres links

Link 1
Link 2

Edit: Link 1 decided to disappear on me...

I think links are fine, but probably pasting the actual images might not be.

That being said...

[Doodle]

TheMiffins wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Not sure if appropriate for forum...

but whatever heres links

Link 1
Link 2

Edit: Link 1 decided to disappear on me...

I think links are fine, but probably pasting the actual images might not be.

That being said...

plotting something are we?

fill me in!

[TheMiffins]

devSin wrote...

Kaidan, meanwhile, treats you like a person. The romance is handled no different than were it opposite-sex (it's not any more "forced" than it is when he asks female Shepard if there's more to their feelings than just friendship and respect). That said, I wouldn't have been opposed to being able to drop mad hints before the date. He already accuses you of flirting with him in the hospital; it might have been nice to throw an actual flirt or two his way. ;-)

It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance. 

Modifié par TheMiffins, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:08 .

[TheMiffins]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

TheMiffins wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Not sure if appropriate for forum...

but whatever heres links

Link 1
Link 2

Edit: Link 1 decided to disappear on me...

I think links are fine, but probably pasting the actual images might not be.

That being said...

plotting something are we?

fill me in!

No planning, just thinking and enjoying the nice pictures. 

[blmlozz]

 

I think he's saying that Cortez had flashing lights and sirens. You know right away that he's the gay guy, and there's no way you could end up having a spontaneous romantic moment with him unless you choose it (because you'll see it coming).
Kaidan, meanwhile, treats you like a person. The romance is handled no different than were it opposite-sex (it's not any more "forced" than it is when he asks female Shepard if there's more to their feelings than just friendship and respect). That said, I wouldn't have been opposed to being able to drop mad hints before the date. He already accuses you of flirting with him in the hospital; it might have been nice to throw an actual flirt or two his way. ;-)

I... edited it to sound less harsh, but yes, this is exactly what I was getting at. Kaidan didn't have to remind me every 3 seconds that he was gay, he just happened to be gay, He was still Kaidan to me, just finnally the Kaidan I always wanted. The problem with Cortez is his time was too short to establish any sort of relationship, so they had to go loud and short. The outcome of this is that he constantly reminds you that he likes men and that 'it's hard to say no to you shepard' <_<

[Doodle]

TheMiffins wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

TheMiffins wrote...

I think links are fine, but probably pasting the actual images might not be.

That being said...

plotting something are we?

fill me in!

No planning, just thinking and enjoying the nice pictures. 

oh come on

i wanted to do some serious plotting....




with you...

maybe...

i'll go


Edit: oooh ToP





Chibi pictures..

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:55 .