I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
TheMiffins wrote...
I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
TheMiffins wrote...
I think links are fine, but probably pasting the actual images might not be.
That being said...
plotting something are we?
fill me in!
No planning, just thinking and enjoying the nice pictures.
oh come on
i wanted to do some serious plotting....
with you...
maybe...
i'll go
TheMiffins wrote...
I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
TheMiffins wrote...
I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
plotting something are we?
fill me in!
No planning, just thinking and enjoying the nice pictures.
oh come on
i wanted to do some serious plotting....
with you...
maybe...
i'll go
I'm no good at plotting, needless to say I couldn't express what I was planning in pictures regardless
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
Modifié par devSin, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .
devSin wrote...
The straight-by-default assertion always bothers me.Charoleia wrote...
I'm not being upset because he's gay, I'm annoyed because he wasn't in ME1 (from my point of view at least).
Kaidan's sexuality didn't change. Because you perceived it one way does not mean that he was ever identified as exclusively heterosexual (and some of the instances you bring up don't ever even happen in a universe where Shepard is male).
To me, saying you're disappointed is saying that somehow the character has been diminished by finally being able to express how he feels about male Shepard. And that does upset me.
devSin wrote...
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
And fix your quote! I didn't say that first part. :-)
Assumptions and perception are words used when a major element is changed suddenly or something generally isn't very clear until it's right in your face(sound familiar IT lovers?...) . Your opion of Kaidan is purely subjective, there's no reason for anyone here to get hurt over it. I believe Dev was assuming that you were however trying to explain that it wasen't subjective and rather a fact that he was straight throughout the play-through. That would be a cause for concern, to attempt to force one's perception of the facts onto another for the sake of making yourself feel better.Okay. So I must have phrased it wrong, because that's not what I meant.
As I said before, I'm feeling disapointed because BioWare treated him differently whether Shep is male or female, like they did with Anders.
You say his sexuality did not changed ? Well, I didn't pictured him as a bi character in ME1. Some of you seem to do, so... maybe I'm a bit stupid and it wasn't obvious enough for me ?
And since I was talking about FemShep, well yeah, obviously that didn't happend for BroShep...
I never said I wish he was exclusively heterosexual... I said I would have prefered if it was stated he was bi in ME1. For continuity you know ? That's all...
Maybe I'm being too emotional but I find your comments a bit harsh... And yeah, I'm feeling a bit hurt
I thought this was a place where we could talk like civilized people about Kaidan, each of us giving different insights of that virtual character we all love, but it seems I was wrong.
Seems some things should not be discussed. I'll remember that
So let's close the subject and have some Kaidan.
Modifié par blmlozz, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .
devSin wrote...
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
And fix your quote! I didn't say that first part. :-)
blmlozz wrote...
devSin wrote...
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
And fix your quote! I didn't say that first part. :-)
I would have been happy if they had simply done the damn V/O that's missed from flagged moded saves. Clearly they were aware of it before, clearly their intentions were to bring that to frutition. It would have been a very nice gesture and I can't see how it would have been more than a hour's worth of V/O work to fix...
txmn1016 wrote...
Lol@Doodle
I love how equal opportunity you're being with your pictures lately.
I'm talking about the little lines in the Hospital from ME3.TheMiffins wrote...
blmlozz wrote...
devSin wrote...
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
And fix your quote! I didn't say that first part. :-)
I would have been happy if they had simply done the damn V/O that's missed from flagged moded saves. Clearly they were aware of it before, clearly their intentions were to bring that to frutition. It would have been a very nice gesture and I can't see how it would have been more than a hour's worth of V/O work to fix...
If I remember correctly, in ME1 the voice actors for Kaidan and Shep both did V/O work for a s/s relationship, but Bioware decided to drop it. Still would be nice if I could do a playthorugh with a s/s relationship that I didn't have to mod.
Modifié par blmlozz, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:20 .
How is he being treated differently? I honestly don't understand this.Charoleia wrote...
As I said before, I'm feeling disapointed because BioWare treated him differently whether Shep is male or female, like they did with Anders.
There is no ill intent in them. I was describing the way I perceive your comments that you find his treatment in ME3 to be disappointing, specifically as it relates to him being a romance option for male Shepard.Charoleia wrote...
Maybe I'm being too emotional but I find your comments a bit harsh... And yeah, I'm feeling a bit hurt
That's not fair.Charoleia wrote...
I thought this was a place where we could talk like civilized people about Kaidan, each of us giving different insights of that virtual character we all love, but it seems I was wrong.
Modifié par devSin, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .
blmlozz wrote...
I'm talking about the little lines in the Hospital from ME3.TheMiffins wrote...
blmlozz wrote...
devSin wrote...
I wish the facefx could do blushing. My Shepard would have been so nervous. Maybe Kaidan is still confused from his head trauma? Or maybe he's just joking? What do I say? What do I say? "... I should go." When it comes to Kaidan, I don't think my Shepard ever could have made the first move. (For sure, any attempt at flirting would have been just as doomed as Kaidan's attempt on the ship.) He can save the galaxy, but telling Kaidan how he feels? There are some things even the legendary Commander Shepard can't accomplish.TheMiffins wrote...
It would have been nice, during that scene if Shepard caught Kaidan staring at him as he walked out, or something of the like. I do admit that they really don't give enough hints at the flirting, atleast before the romance.
And fix your quote! I didn't say that first part. :-)
I would have been happy if they had simply done the damn V/O that's missed from flagged moded saves. Clearly they were aware of it before, clearly their intentions were to bring that to frutition. It would have been a very nice gesture and I can't see how it would have been more than a hour's worth of V/O work to fix...
If I remember correctly, in ME1 the voice actors for Kaidan and Shep both did V/O work for a s/s relationship, but Bioware decided to drop it. Still would be nice if I could do a playthorugh with a s/s relationship that I didn't have to mod.
'oh god it's hard seeing you like this' and there's another 1-2 lines that femshep gets but mshep stares blankly over.
then there's the 'mmhm' shepard misses in the reference during the cronos scene.
They went into that game with a S/S Kaidan in mind, and they knew people had modded S/S Kaidan's in the past. The intent was already there, the lines were already there. The willing-ness to make that final pass on the polishing wasent there though. It was a gigantic missed opportunity to truly 'do something for the fans' at truly a small expense. But that would have BW admitting that their glorious vision for ME may have been flawed, can't possibly have that!!...
blmlozz wrote...
Assumptions and perception are words used when a major element is changed suddenly or something generally isn't very clear until it's right in your face(sound familiar IT lovers?...) . Your opion of Kaidan is purely subjective, there's no reason for anyone here to get hurt over it. I believe Dev was assuming that you were however trying to explain that it wasen't subjective and rather a fact that he was straight throughout the play-through. That would be a cause for concern, to attempt to force one's perception of the facts onto another for the sake of making yourself feel better.
TheMiffins wrote...
Kaidan is probably more into girls, but at the end of the world he wanted something with someone he knows and cares for - Shepard.
see, I've seen that scene before, I honeslty never really liked it, I could have lived with the single ILY on the conduit, it's MUCH more emotional than that quickie is right there. I simply wanted those V/O's filled for the sake of feeling like I hadden't hacked my way into this or that I was going where no Mshep had gone before, that's all..TheMiffins wrote...
I get what you mean. There's a lot of nice dialogue that femSheps get when they romanced Kaidan that broSheps don't. It's a bit disappointing, but I can bear with it.
One thing that would have been funny tho, is if s/s was viable for ME1 with broShep, than the romance dialogue in ME3 would have been pretty funny.
Example being:
http://www.youtube.c...214GexQ#t=1m32s . Would have been really funny to see that dialogue with a mShep.
Modifié par blmlozz, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:59 .
blmlozz wrote...
see, I've seen that scene before, I honeslty never really liked it, I could have lived with the single ILY on the conduit, it's MUCH more emotional than that quickie is right there. I simply wanted those V/O's filled for the sake of feeling like I hadden't hacked my way into this or that I was going where no Mshep had gone before, that's all..TheMiffins wrote...
I get what you mean. There's a lot of nice dialogue that femSheps get when they romanced Kaidan that broSheps don't. It's a bit disappointing, but I can bear with it.
One thing that would have been funny tho, is if s/s was viable for ME1 with broShep, than the romance dialogue in ME3 would have been pretty funny.
Example being:
http://www.youtube.c...214GexQ#t=1m32s . Would have been really funny to see that dialogue with a mShep.
The other thing I haven't mentioned is that wonderful piano music buggs in the first hospital visit and two streams start playing right in the middle of Shepard talking to a sleeping Kaidan. It totally destroys the scene.
blmlozz wrote...
see, I've seen that scene before, I honeslty never really liked it, I could have lived with the single ILY on the conduit, it's MUCH more emotional than that quickie is right there. I simply wanted those V/O's filled for the sake of feeling like I hadden't hacked my way into this or that I was going where no Mshep had gone before, that's all..TheMiffins wrote...
I get what you mean. There's a lot of nice dialogue that femSheps get when they romanced Kaidan that broSheps don't. It's a bit disappointing, but I can bear with it.
One thing that would have been funny tho, is if s/s was viable for ME1 with broShep, than the romance dialogue in ME3 would have been pretty funny.
Example being:
http://www.youtube.c...214GexQ#t=1m32s . Would have been really funny to see that dialogue with a mShep.
The other thing I haven't mentioned is that wonderful piano music buggs in the first hospital visit and two streams start playing right in the middle of Shepard talking to a sleeping Kaidan. It totally destroys the scene.
I would have settled for those V/Os... but in truth I would have rather'd that scene go something like... this?
Modifié par TheMiffins, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:07 .
devSin wrote...
How is he being treated differently? I honestly don't understand this.
If you choose to see Kaidan as straight, why has this changed? The possibility that somebody somewhere else in the world may be romancing him with a male Shepard? Even though you'll never see him express attraction to men in your game, you think he's suddenly different?
And why is Anders singled out? How is he any different than Fenris, Merrill, and Isabela? Is there something there they did that makes you think he's treated differently in a way you don't like?
devSin wrote...
That's not fair.
I definitely don't mean to upset you, and I apologize if that's the way you feel after reading my remarks, but we're not having an uncivil discussion, and everybody is free to express themselves in the fashion they choose (within the site rules). But you can't expect for everybody to agree with your opinion or to completely understand what you're trying to express (which is why it's a discussion—so you can clarify your meaning and get other viewpoints).
I don't know what else to say. It seems to me that you're expressing something that stems from your own heteronormativity. Kaidan is straight because, obviously, and anything that challenges that is damaging to his character. I don't want to misinterpret your words, but I can't see where it isn't what you're describing (and like I tried to say earlier, it's something that is hurtful to read, which is why I really dislike when this topic comes up).
txmn1016 wrote...
I'm a girl and I've never really liked it either
Charoleia wrote...
I'm not saying Kaidan is straight by default. I'm saying that the fact he is attracted to women is the only thing showed in the release of ME1.
That is why I feel like Kaidan sexuality is different whether you play as a FemShep or BroShep.
In ME3, if you play as FemShep, things stay as they are. He still appears to be fully straight. If Shep is male, it is revealed that he is in fact bi.
Why does it take a BroShep to learn this ?
As a FemShep and his lover, I would have liked to know he could be interrested into guys... to know him better, you know ? Okay, maybe he would not tell FemShep his fantasies since he has just rekindled with her, but I don't know... I feel like I'm missing something of his personality then.
There was material for a s/s romance in ME1 even if it didn't make out to the release (so we can assume BioWare had a gay/bi Kaidan in mind from the very begining). So what I meant is that's a shame they dropped it.
I feel like it would have been a better hmm... don't know the right term in english, again... but "transition link" ? between ME1 Kaidan and ME3 Kaidan.
Kaidan is bi ? Okay ! I want him to confess he thinks Vega is hot to my FemShep then !
Hope I made myself clear this time
Modifié par MageTarot, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:10 .
lol then we're on the same page! Have you imported a flagged Mshep with illos? That scene is the EXACT same, it would have worked in the EXACT same way with a Mshep, it's simply that Meer didn't V/O 'mhmm' or the other line LAME.TheMiffins wrote...
blmlozz wrote...
see, I've seen that scene before, I honeslty never really liked it, I could have lived with the single ILY on the conduit, it's MUCH more emotional than that quickie is right there. I simply wanted those V/O's filled for the sake of feeling like I hadden't hacked my way into this or that I was going where no Mshep had gone before, that's all..TheMiffins wrote...
I get what you mean. There's a lot of nice dialogue that femSheps get when they romanced Kaidan that broSheps don't. It's a bit disappointing, but I can bear with it.
One thing that would have been funny tho, is if s/s was viable for ME1 with broShep, than the romance dialogue in ME3 would have been pretty funny.
Example being:
http://www.youtube.c...214GexQ#t=1m32s . Would have been really funny to see that dialogue with a mShep.
The other thing I haven't mentioned is that wonderful piano music buggs in the first hospital visit and two streams start playing right in the middle of Shepard talking to a sleeping Kaidan. It totally destroys the scene.
I would have settled for those V/Os... but in truth I would have rather'd that scene go something like... this?
The Conduit scene was perfect for the s/s Kaidan romance. It really brought home the fact that what they found with each other was incredibly short, but it meant a lot to both of them, and that if Shepard should die he wanted Kaidan to know that he loved him.
I'm just using the whole "first night we bunked" and the "mhmm" parts for the video, I can do without the ILY. But yea, I'm a little jealous of some of the dialogue femShep's get with Kaidan <_<
Modifié par blmlozz, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .
I can just see it now. Female Shepard and Kaidan sitting in the observation deck, talking about how hot James looks without his shirt on, talking about all the nasty things they'd do to him. Kinky!AshTheBrave wrote...
If you want Kaidan to be bi in a femshep playthrough, what's stopping you? Write your own story. You might enjoy it
Modifié par devSin, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .
blmlozz wrote...
lol then we're on the same page! Have you imported a flagged Mshep with illos? That scene is the EXACT same, it would have worked in the EXACT same way with a Mshep, it's simply that Meer didn't V/O 'mhmm' LAME.TheMiffins wrote...
blmlozz wrote...
see, I've seen that scene before, I honeslty never really liked it, I could have lived with the single ILY on the conduit, it's MUCH more emotional than that quickie is right there. I simply wanted those V/O's filled for the sake of feeling like I hadden't hacked my way into this or that I was going where no Mshep had gone before, that's all..TheMiffins wrote...
I get what you mean. There's a lot of nice dialogue that femSheps get when they romanced Kaidan that broSheps don't. It's a bit disappointing, but I can bear with it.
One thing that would have been funny tho, is if s/s was viable for ME1 with broShep, than the romance dialogue in ME3 would have been pretty funny.
Example being:
http://www.youtube.c...214GexQ#t=1m32s . Would have been really funny to see that dialogue with a mShep.
The other thing I haven't mentioned is that wonderful piano music buggs in the first hospital visit and two streams start playing right in the middle of Shepard talking to a sleeping Kaidan. It totally destroys the scene.
I would have settled for those V/Os... but in truth I would have rather'd that scene go something like... this?
The Conduit scene was perfect for the s/s Kaidan romance. It really brought home the fact that what they found with each other was incredibly short, but it meant a lot to both of them, and that if Shepard should die he wanted Kaidan to know that he loved him.
I'm just using the whole "first night we bunked" and the "mhmm" parts for the video, I can do without the ILY. But yea, I'm a little jealous of some of the dialogue femShep's get with Kaidan <_<
AshTheBrave wrote...
Charoleia wrote...
I'm not saying Kaidan is straight by default. I'm saying that the fact he is attracted to women is the only thing showed in the release of ME1.
That is why I feel like Kaidan sexuality is different whether you play as a FemShep or BroShep.
In ME3, if you play as FemShep, things stay as they are. He still appears to be fully straight. If Shep is male, it is revealed that he is in fact bi.
Why does it take a BroShep to learn this ?
As a FemShep and his lover, I would have liked to know he could be interrested into guys... to know him better, you know ? Okay, maybe he would not tell FemShep his fantasies since he has just rekindled with her, but I don't know... I feel like I'm missing something of his personality then.
There was material for a s/s romance in ME1 even if it didn't make out to the release (so we can assume BioWare had a gay/bi Kaidan in mind from the very begining). So what I meant is that's a shame they dropped it.
I feel like it would have been a better hmm... don't know the right term in english, again... but "transition link" ? between ME1 Kaidan and ME3 Kaidan.
Kaidan is bi ? Okay ! I want him to confess he thinks Vega is hot to my FemShep then !
Hope I made myself clear this time
The thing is, it's not different. He's not necessarily bi in a broshep playthrough just because he liked what's her face as a kid. And he's not necessarily bi in a femshep playthrough because he can like broshep in someone else's playthrough.
If you want Kaidan to be bi in a femshep playthrough, what's stopping you? Write your own story. You might enjoy it
You don't have to show anyone so it doesn't matter how much it sucks or not.
Don't ever feel like you can't say things here. The vast majority of the time you read things more nastily then they're meant to be read. At least that's what happens to me. Most of the time we're just discussing. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they hate you or you should hate them. It just is what it is.
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Modifié par Charoleia, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .
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