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[blmlozz]

devSin wrote...

AshTheBrave wrote...

If you want Kaidan to be bi in a femshep playthrough, what's stopping you? Write your own story. You might enjoy it 

I can just see it now. Female Shepard and Kaidan sitting in the observation deck, talking about how hot James looks without his shirt on, talking about all the nasty things they'd do to him. Kinky!

And I will say, even perceptions are different for people on the same page. I read the way Miffins thinks of Kaidan, and I would hate Kaidan if I perceived their relationship the same way. That's not my Kaidan. Not at all.

A lot of the character is left to our imagination. That's not done by accident. Kaidan is who you want him to be. The parts they don't say are entirely left up to you.

Exactly. That what a great story teller does and why Mass Effect is such a great enviroment. They tip-toe on too much/too little with their characters (up until it ends) perfectly.

[Doodle]

TheMiffins wrote...

As much as I want to, I like how it plays out for me currently in ME3. I think I LikeTo Doodle said that the changes from an import stop after you initiate the romance. Correct me if I'm wrong tho lol. 

Thats with a modded s/s save from ME1, once you initiate the romance you're entire romance in ME1 is wiped and it "never" happend

[blmlozz]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

TheMiffins wrote...

As much as I want to, I like how it plays out for me currently in ME3. I think I LikeTo Doodle said that the changes from an import stop after you initiate the romance. Correct me if I'm wrong tho lol. 

Thats with a modded s/s save from ME1, once you initiate the romance you're entire romance in ME1 is wiped and it "never" happend

That's incorrect.

I see the 'imported' illos reference for Shepard on the romance scene before cronos every time. I cringe every time Shepard stares at Kaidan during the non v/o'd bits every time.

I'm unsure if there are more referenes for femshep beyond this, but it is the only reference after the cafe scene that I can think of too. Maybe there are more references beyond that for femshep and that's where people get the idea?

Modifié par blmlozz, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:22 .

[Doodle]

blmlozz wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

TheMiffins wrote...

As much as I want to, I like how it plays out for me currently in ME3. I think I LikeTo Doodle said that the changes from an import stop after you initiate the romance. Correct me if I'm wrong tho lol. 

Thats with a modded s/s save from ME1, once you initiate the romance you're entire romance in ME1 is wiped and it "never" happend

That's incorrect.

I see the 'imported' illos reference for Shepard on the romance scene before cronos every time.

I'm unsure if there are more referenes for femshep beyond this, but it is the only reference after the cafe scene that I can think of too.

yeah this gif has nothing to do with this convo...

[blmlozz]

UGGGHH the feeels!!


good night.. I'm out.

[Doodle]

blmlozz wrote...

UGGGHH the feeels!!


good night.. I'm out.

ha-za i win...

lol it's way late for me...

i actually should go too but...

i like it here sleep can wait!

[Charoleia]

Oh, and one last thing I wanted to ask earlier (and I'm off to bed !)
So... sorry for BroSheps again but...
Who plays Raphael Sbarge voicing Kaidan's apology for Horizon in ME2 while reading the mail ? 

See you tomorrow guys 

[txmn1016]

devSin wrote...

AshTheBrave wrote...

If you want Kaidan to be bi in a femshep playthrough, what's stopping you? Write your own story. You might enjoy it 

I can just see it now. Female Shepard and Kaidan sitting in the observation deck, talking about how hot James looks without his shirt on, talking about all the nasty things they'd do to him. Kinky!

I've pretty much headcannoned that he and James hook up anyway if I'm not romancing him. 

[goodventure]

MageTarot wrote...

For those of you who are going to the San Diego Comic Con...

Saturday (July 14) from 1:00pm till 3:00pm Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan Alenko) and Kimberly Brooks (Ashley Williams) will be signing autographs at the BioWare base.

Let the squeeeing commence.

If anyone is going... SOMEONE SNAG A KAIDAN POSTER AND GET IT SIGNED! (like below)



Look at this picture! It's Kaidan ... using his biotics! How rare!

I would go but I wasn't aware SDCC was next weekend :[

Modifié par goodventure, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .

[laikabaws]

^ I'm halfway across the world so I'm overwhelmingly jealous  Why won't Bioware make a lithograph of that poster? I'd buy a lot. 

[lindtchoco]

I want one of those posters!! Do they have signings in Canada at all?

It seems like Bioware will be:
"discuss[ing] the history of the series, beloved characters, multiplayer gaming and hints at upcoming DLC."
source: http://blog.bioware.com/

Maybe we can finally know more about our characters (or something related to a romance DLC..?)

I am out for the night - got to nail that annoying exam tomorrow morning.

[Mimitochan]

Charoleia wrote...

Okay, so let's make things clear

Ouch! Seriously, I go to bed and what do I discover in the morning? You guys have been debating without me?

Modifié par Mimitochan, 06 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[NRieh]

Ok, I missed huge part, but I'm glad troll's success was not complete. I mean that, as I said before, it looked much like a trolling attempt to set femshep vs s\\s brosheps catfight. Glad you, people, managed to work it out, so that I did not fing thread in ruins dead and banned.

The infinite truth is that:

A lot of the character is left to our imagination. That's not done by accident. Kaidan is who you want him to be. The parts they don't say are entirely left up to you.

Best games, books and films are those who allow you to be involved in co-creation. Author needs to make things "real" enough, but not to entirely override reader's\\player's imagination. I could bring in horrors here as an example - the scariest ones are those where you face your own fears, where "phsycho" things work, not just bunch of vampires\\aliens\\zombies who eat everyone, but Main Male Character with his Sexy Girlfriend. Silent Hill 2 - as a vivid example, probably may add "Phantasmagoria" here too (if anyone here is familiar with this relic). Same for romance - one needs a feelable personality, building relations, not some blunt handsome-hero-out-of-the-box.

So far I've seen 3 BW games with romance involved. SWTOR, ME and DAO. ME seems to have the most natural and nice romance, next goes SWTOR (which is as good as MMO mechanics can allow it and most of characters are cool - yes, Riggs, I'm looking at you <-) ), DAO...so far I can't enjoy it. I like the game, it brings good old NWN1 on my mind. A nice combo of d20 classics and good visuals and story. But romance itself does not feel "natural". Probably, it's just me, though. And fact that Alistair is not my type. And I somehow can't remember KOTOR romance side at all (if there was any).


ps: Kaidan hamser was qute. But I think we'd better stop with that Kaidan-zoo, before it's too late. 8P

pps: Also. A reminder. 5 pages to number 1251 left! Have YOU prepared a present for a newborn Kaidan Alenko?!

[Charoleia]

Nrieh wrote...

So far I've seen 3 BW games with romance involved. SWTOR, ME and DAO. ME seems to have the most natural and nice romance, next goes SWTOR (which is as good as MMO mechanics can allow it and most of characters are cool - yes, Riggs, I'm looking at you <-) ), DAO...so far I can't enjoy it. I like the game, it brings good old NWN1 on my mind. A nice combo of d20 classics and good visuals and story. But romance itself does not feel "natural". Probably, it's just me, though. And fact that Alistair is not my type. And I somehow can't remember KOTOR romance side at all (if there was any).

Oh strange you don't remember Kotor ones, because I loved the romances here. It was rather subtle actually.
I don't know about the Carth romance (even if he was voiced by Raphael ) because I never reached the end of my playthrough with my female Revan, but I liked the Bastila one.

Do you remember Baldur's Gate ? The romance there were nice too...

I liked the fact you could romance your companions in SWToR. I never saw anything like this in any other MMO, but my guess would be asian MMO (maybe FF ?) must involved romances. Vector and Torian were my favorites 

[TamiBx]

 So they make Kaidan posters with him using biotics but no actual in game cutscenes? I want them to show him doing some biotic stuff in some dlc 

Bioware needs to feed my addiction for guys glowing blue...

[Mimitochan]

EDIT > Hey, surprising enough I've got an opinion on what all you guys have been debating about - sorry, I just read some things that just compelled me to express my view on the subject even if I'm several hours late. I was planning on just posting butt GIFs for the rest of my existence here, but well. Doodle is spreading both gender love here, and I really thank him for that, that's really thoughtful.

So huh, first of all, who the above picture was intended to? ^ (The Deal with it one?)
Cause I feel offended by it. Funny it should be a straight woman (if I'm not mistaken) who felt she had to brought it up here for the sake of not seeming homophobic.

I don't know where this art comes from, in which context it was created, so correct me if I'm wrong, and I honestly am not under the impression of being defensive, but it feels like it's a message from a gay guy to straight women. Or it may be also a message vs. the rest of the world for that matters.

Who cares about Kaidan romancing maleShep? People who actually don't play video games don't give a f... They might have an opinion on this, from reading articles, so it might give the chance to homophobs and bigots to yell for yet another reason, but on the overall, who cares? I can see how straight male players, having Kaidan as a bro from the beginning can feel uneasy at Kaidan suddenly declaring at them, and it is not necessarily because of the gay issue. For some maybe, but on the overall, from I've read here, not really. It's just that it came to them as a more or less big surprise. Some will say they feel kind of betrayed by his coming out, others are OK with it, others will say they always knew. Would this affect a lesbian player? I really don't know. So that leaves straight female players, such as I.

So if I take this pic personally, yeah, I feel offended. Let's say it would never cross my mind to draw such a pic with a FemShep instead, saying "deal with it".

On Kaidan hitting on every single Shepard of the Galaxy, I know I felt uneasy at every single character in the game hitting on my FemShep cause I was faithful to Kaidan in ME2. Some characters who I viewed as close friends hit on me. My little sister Tali hit on me. Some total strangers just hit on me. I felt like Traynor wanted to rape me. Liara was just a sentence away to strip her blue butt naked on me.

All of this not because I am a sex goddess.
All of this not because Joan Shepard is a sex goddess.
All of this because this is a video game and somebody at the sex writing and gameplay department at Bioware felt it was appropriate - and was wrong BTW.

In spite of me knowing this is a video game, of all this gameplay awkwardness, I, as a real person, fell for the character, as much as it is possible to fall for a series of pixels, a beautiful voice, some epic lines of dialogues, witty cinematics and keyboard intercourse. Some kind of alchemy happened here.

Most of the people I've "met" here, headcanon. All of the discussion that's been going on here, is about interpretations, subjectiveness, custom views of the character, even alternate fantasies sometimes, that are just left remotely linked to the original game.

Why in that case do you people insist on forcing your own views on each other? I am really happy to debate, although as I said multiple times here, I was reluctant. As much as I would like it to be otherwise, Kaidan in the ME series hit me emotionally. So my heart says I'd rather Kaidan be straight, in love with my FemShep (and indirectly myself) and with no one else, be it gay, male, female, asari, krogan, young, old, hamster, whatever.

At some other times, when my mind disconnects from this virtual world of emotions, I am enable to examine the reality of this experience. What is reality? Facts. Not speculations, not modding, not fan fic, not rumors, not whatshisname supposedly said on Twitter, just plain, simple facts.
Say like, when you ask "1+1 equals what" you answer "2" and not, well, "it depends".

So what are the facts?

> Kaidan in ME1 can only be romanced by FemShep.
I have not find proof that the extra scenes and recorded dialogs available to maleShep were intended to make him also available as a romance option to MaleShep. I'm not saying it is not true, I am just saying that Bioware was smart enough to never deny or confirm this. They're just too happy having us debating about it all thread long. Given his reactions to FemShep, his comments about women, etc., the fact that on the other hand, Ashley as a video game asset is only available to MaleShep, given the fact that there supposedly is symetry in the romance options with Liara being "bi" (yeah right, like the first thing i think when I see asari is like, hell, those are totally asexual - bisexual blue creatures and they're probably hiding a penis in those tentacles somewhere, sorry about my short sighted assumptions about the differentiation of sexual identities here, I'm just being very biologically conventional (man=no boobs+penis, woman=boobs+no penis)), there is a very simple conclusion, and in general, simplest conclusions are the most accurate likely.

> So, given all those elements, the simplest view, and the most logical conclusion is that Kaidan, in ME1, is straight.
That he was intended to be the canon option for straight women players. What are most straight women players fantasizing about? Bingo, straight guys. Whether they be the macho stereotype or not, still, straight guys all the way. It doesn't matter how Kaidan feels like to you or me as individuals. It doesn't matter that he was written by a woman that put part her personal fantasy in him. It doesn't matter that he's sensitive. Find all the clues you want in his behaviour, his lines, his body attitude, his polished looks, it doesn't change the way the game was shipped. Actually, the writing was very very smartly done. FemShep is actually MaleShep but without balls. Or with boobs, see it your way. As much as I hate to admit that, I just know it. A female strong fiction character, such as Ellen Ripley for instance, is just a bloody miracle. FemShep has the silhouette of a gracile ballerina, yet she kicks ass, she grabs Kaidan and puts him over her shoulders with one extended arm. She goes into battle for some of us as she was going to prom night (seriously ladies, that heavy make-up? ). But I totally believe in her - a lot thanks to the immensily talented Jennifer Hale -, hell, I LOVE femShep, I wish I could be like her, I catch myself wondering what she would be doing in such or such situation. So on one hand we've got Shepard, a military strong character, that you can play as male or female, but Shepard is actually really a very manly character - again, let's not go into the sexual identity debate, please. On the other, we've got tomboy Ashley - a female character but with a manly twist, and cute Kaidan - a male character but with a feminine twist (someone somewhere compared him to Jane Eyre, that is so very true), and in the middle, well, a blue one. The characters were DESIGNED to be as open as possible to a variety of sexual preferences, so no wonder they're so very open to interpretations. For some reason, people Ashley don't picture her as gay, I know I did straight away! But then, people also picture her as racist, so that's another debate...

> Could we just please rely on facts and not random speculations?
I've read several times things like "Kaidan never said he was straight" so that makes him potentially bi/gay/undecided/whatever. Hell, in that case, for all we know, when he says "I'm not the kind of person who does it lightly." , he actually means he's still a virgin. Surely you can see that this is wishful thinking. I know I've been married to the same guy for 10 years, i can say he's very likely straight, but he's never actually told me "i'm straight", or "I'm not gay". That doesn't make him potentially gay. I think...  As a parenthesis on the coming out subject, on the other hand, I've got a close gay male friend who actually told me he was a gay, but that was his coming out moment when we were 18 years old. I was not surprised, actually, I felt it was an important moment for him, but I didn't quite understand why he felt compelled to tell me this. For that matters, he could have been telling me "I like sushi", or "I've got blue eyes", I wouldn't have make much more of a big deal out of it. So I'm just guessing that maybe gay male players would have a different view, allocate a different importance to Kaidan actually stating his sexual identity, but I could be wrong, I'm just guessing here.

> I, as a gamer, am upset that Bioware decided to change Kaidan's sexual identitiy from one game to another.
There, I said it. Actually, I've said it already. I will say it again. This, you just don't do it. Either you make him available to both genders from the start, either you don't. You don't change a character just right in the middle of a series for economic reasons. Same reason why you don't start with a close to perfect space opera RPG and transform it into a casual shooting gallery with bits of interactive sequences and some meatphysical mumbo-jumbo. That's my stand on this. Many people don't give a sh... about this, I know I do. Cause you break the gaming experience and that tacit contract. I'm not saying it's morally bad, I'm not saying it's degrading, I'm saying it's breaking consistency and character definition. I knew Kaidan's character from ME1. He got his heart broken by a young girl when he was young, he was a sensitive straight guy in love with FemShep. Metagaming can be awkward. Turning Kaidan renegade ME1 felt weird, like he was this shifting character that you could model to fit your needs. Also jealous Kaidan from the confrontation scene with Liara is strange, but then my Shep would never flirt with two people at the same time. Nevertheless, in the same way I tried to pick all different dialogue options from the dialogue wheel, all these different "versions" of Kaidan were all contributing to build the same character I knew. Now, all of the sudden, in ME3, I, as a player, have to integrate the fact that Kaidan's character is also potentially attracted to my male alter ego. Awkward. What do I do with this? Is he actually bi? Is he going to actually come out on me "Oh by the way Shep, I'm into guys too." Or do I have to settle with the fact that his character is so easy and weak that he'll love me no matter what. Cause he is. "Cheat" on him, he'll love you. Romance him from ME1 or just hook up in ME3, he'll love you the same. Buy him booze (!), he'll love you... So yeah, I'm upset. I shouldn't be the one wondering about all this. Bioware should have made it that I and all of you, would never have to wonder about this.

And this is definitely what all of us should be argueing about.

EDIT > Oh, BTW, pretty please don't give me the "but Bioware is working for the good of sexual acceptance all around the world, they're on a mission, they're saints!".

Modifié par Mimitochan, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[Adairia]

goodventure wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

For those of you who are going to the San Diego Comic Con...

Saturday (July 14) from 1:00pm till 3:00pm Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan Alenko) and Kimberly Brooks (Ashley Williams) will be signing autographs at the BioWare base.

Let the squeeeing commence.

If anyone is going... SOMEONE SNAG A KAIDAN POSTER AND GET IT SIGNED! (like below)



Look at this picture! It's Kaidan ... using his biotics! How rare!

I would go but I wasn't aware SDCC was next weekend :[

omg I want one of those so bad :[ I really, really wish I lived in the US lol XD
If anyone wanted to grab me one I would love them forever XD

He came to the UK to do a London expo, but I was on my honeymoon *cryyy* even worse, my maid of honour was there but didn't realise who he was =( *CRYCRY*

[Doodle]

goodventure wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

For those of you who are going to the San Diego Comic Con...

Saturday (July 14) from 1:00pm till 3:00pm Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan Alenko) and Kimberly Brooks (Ashley Williams) will be signing autographs at the BioWare base.

Let the squeeeing commence.

If anyone is going... SOMEONE SNAG A KAIDAN POSTER AND GET IT SIGNED! (like below)



Look at this picture! It's Kaidan ... using his biotics! How rare!

I would go but I wasn't aware SDCC was next weekend :[

lol just noticed...

Kaidan is using a SHOTGUN...

since when?

[ManicFaerieDust]

goodventure wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

For those of you who are going to the San Diego Comic Con...

Saturday (July 14) from 1:00pm till 3:00pm Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan Alenko) and Kimberly Brooks (Ashley Williams) will be signing autographs at the BioWare base.

Let the squeeeing commence.

If anyone is going... SOMEONE SNAG A KAIDAN POSTER AND GET IT SIGNED! (like below)



Look at this picture! It's Kaidan ... using his biotics! How rare!

I would go but I wasn't aware SDCC was next weekend :[

OH MY GOODNESS this is perfect Can someone do me a favour? I was wondering if someone would pick one up for me and send it to me? I would pay for it and shipping, it's  just my friend is coming out of the hospital soon and she has a major crush with  Kaidan (as we all do) and I would love to get this for her. Please message me from a fellow fan I would be forever grateful:wub::wub::wub:

[NRieh]

lol just noticed...
Kaidan is using a SHOTGUN...
since when?

Avenger did not fit size of the poster, probably?... *evilsarcasticsmiley*
Or they gave all the Avengers out to Sheps and Ashleys, so that none left for poor Kaidan, and designer said - "ah, crap, but.... look, some unused shotguns!"
Integrity, people, INTEGRITY, all for art and etc..

@Mimitochan Ouch, I thought that troll already starved to death and you just brought him some pies.

I think I partly share your feelings about the matter, but here is a fact. We all here love this character. He was done so well, that attracted...everyone of those who are attracted by such type of men.

You don't have to prove here anything to anyone, since those who follow game canons know same things that you know. Those who do not wish to follow them strictly - have their own rights to do so. And you have rights to see the difference both between their headcanons, in-game content and your own "canoned" version.

Also, don't think that you are so very "special straight female player", that feels something really unique about the matter. We all 've passed through this, I think. It WAS a "surprize!" for each of us (Taylor-mancing femsheps felt more "surprized", though, I belive, *anotherevilsmile*). And we had some time to "deal with it" (heh).

Headcanon is not a subject for argue, never was. People may share theirs, people may like or dislike them. But you will never change one's mind about it. I will never accept "normandy evac", I know it. Did not happen, no matter what, not in MY universe. I will never prove to anyone how and why, that's how my story went. But I will never set this as an argument, like 'oh, you know, I belive it did not happen, so, you know...it did not happen'.

And another important thing for you to understand, I guess.

In spite of me knowing this is a video game, of all this gameplay awkwardness, I, as a real person, fell for the character, as much as it is possible to fall for a series of pixels, a beautiful voice, some epic lines of dialogues, witty cinematics and keyboard intercourse.

You NEVER 'fell' for the 'series of pixels', you always fell only for your own imagined and accepted characters. It's impossible to feel emotions about the "series of pixels", even Sbarge-voiced ones (xept for some very primitive).

That's what I found out many years ago, while had some experience with LARPs. All kind of games always happens in your head. But for this to happen - as I pointed before - you need to have proper base, you need something that will show you enough, "bind" you to the world or setting\\character and involve you into process of co-play and co-creation. If you need any of that, of course. Some just don't, and there is an "action" game mode for them.

[NRieh]

more about the posters...is it just me, or does he REALLY has LIARA'S biotics image?... Even fingers position looks close...

[txmn1016]

Mimitochan wrote...

EDIT > Hey, surprising enough I've got an opinion on what all you guys have been debating about - sorry, I just read some things that just compelled me to express my view on the subject even if I'm several hours late. I was planning on just posting butt GIFs for the rest of my existence here, but well. Doodle is spreading both gender love here, and I really thank him for that, that's really thoughtful.

So huh, first of all, who the above picture was intended to? ^ (The Deal with it one?)
Cause I feel offended by it. Funny it should be a straight woman (if I'm not mistaken) who felt she had to brought it up here for the sake of not seeming homophobic.

I don't know where this art comes from, in which context it was created, so correct me if I'm wrong, and I honestly am not under the impression of being defensive, but it feels like it's a message from a gay guy to straight women. Or it may be also a message vs. the rest of the world for that matters.

The pic is by the stellar STONELIONS who does pretty much the cutest Kaidan/broshep art you will ever see. And for the record, "DEAL WITH IT" is an internet meme.  It's not specifc to the LGBT community (Shep and Liara both have one too ). It's for laughs.  If you want to get technical (because Know Your Meme is so technical ), it's "an expression used as a retort in response to someone’s disapproval."  Kaidan (and especially Kaidan's sexuality) get's a lot of disaproval generally speaking so I know that there's nothing malicious or even inappropriate about the intent of the art.  TL:DR--don't take it personally, it's for giggles. 

Modifié par txmn1016, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[txmn1016]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

lol just noticed...

Kaidan is using a SHOTGUN...

since when?

You officially ruined that picture for me.  All use of biotics are totally negated due to the fact that he's using the wrong gun.  <_<

[AshTheBrave]

Mimitochan wrote...

Why in that case do you people insist on forcing your own views on each other? I am really happy to debate, although as I said multiple times here, I was reluctant. As much as I would like it to be otherwise, Kaidan in the ME series hit me emotionally. So my heart says I'd rather Kaidan be straight, in love with my FemShep (and indirectly myself) and with no one else, be it gay, male, female, asari, krogan, young, old, hamster, whatever.

I hate getting sappy. Hate it with a passion but I guess here it is. 
This my personal motto for bioware games and I guess life in general.  

I think for the most part we don't force this here. Just understand that someone sees Kaidan differently and you will not change their views of him. You should not change their views of him. Don't even try. Do let us know your Kaidan. Tell us your headcanons. Show us your cool pics, gifs, whatever of Kaidan and your femshep or broshep. But don't hate on someone else's. 

I think we do a pretty good job of this. Sure we have hiccups every now and then but that's ok too. Just stick through it. It'll be ok. 

Mimitochan, I feel the same way about that pic. It does seem like a kick to the face. Thing is, I believe it wasn't made with malice. I think it was made out of frustration that people were hurt/angry/whatever at Kaidan being available to romance for broshep now. I believe both sides were hurt and when that happens, you start being mean.  I'd prefer it without the the "deal with it". I think it says more without the "deal with it". I also see it out of character for Kaidan but that's beside the point. I also think  the original image didn't have that.

Informative: All "you's" and "your's" are intended as general, and should not be construed toward anyone specific.

[Mimitochan]

EDIT > ToP


This one should probably be default...

[quote]Nrieh wrote...
@Mimitochan Ouch, I thought that troll already starved to death and you just brought him some pies.
[/quote]

Am I? Sorry, I was a total stranger to the very notion of "trolling" some weeks ago, and to be fair, still am.
Be it true, or not, what is the exact intention of the poster, I just don't know, and probably never will. Why did I write this? Just to say my thoughts, reacting to some things I had read from other posters, that's all. As people live in different part of the world, speaking different languages, and because these are just some typed letters on a screen, i find it personally difficult to communicate, but this is why I come here. I am a person who like to detail her views, because I like to state things accurately, and when I am passionate about something, that's how it goes. I am not here to force my view on anybody, or to offend anybody, just curious about comparing to other people here. This one pic did offend me, but on the overall, I was just being as descriptive and factual as possible. Does it even interest anybody here? I hope so. Is it actually useful? Probably not. But I came here out of curiosity, to meet other ME and Kaidan fans such as I, so there absolutely is no doubt in my mind that I am not remotely unique in that aspect. But it does bother me that you get sometimes the feeling that as a straight woman you can't state that you don't like Kaidan being gay/bi/whatever without people jumping to the conclusion that you're homophobic. I thought I would like to make this clear, if just for once.



[quote]You don't have to prove here anything to anyone, since those who follow game canons know same things that you know. Those who do not wish to follow them strictly - have their own rights to do so. And you have rights to see the difference both between their headcanons, in-game content and your own "canoned" version.[/quote]

I have never, ever, discussed the right or not to do so. I can express my opinion on the matter. But that's just my view. I am not making value judgements here. But, I can express value judgements at the quality of a product, i.e. this video game series. I, as a gamer, think that an RPG video game should be consistent and not open to interpretations or headcanoning. That is one of the characteristics I will evaluate to judge its quality. Now, obviously, not everybody think the same. Many people think ME3 should win Best Video Game of the Year award, needless to say I disagree.  So, if other people are on the contrary passionate about a video game that enables them to extrapoliate, imagine their own endings, etc., then good for them! Who am I to take that away from them? Same thing about the whole Kaidan issue, I was just stating my opinion, other people have no question whatsoever about he being gay/bi, then again, good for them! If they're happy with the way the character was handled, then I envy them, but I, personally, am just upset about it.



[quote]Also, don't think that you are so very "special straight female player", that feels something really unique about the matter. We all 've passed through this, I think. It WAS a "surprize!" for each of us (Taylor-mancing femsheps felt more "surprized", though, I belive, *anotherevilsmile*). And we had some time to "deal with it" (heh).[/quote]

Ahhh.... I know this is getting old for many of you here... I'm sorry to bring old subjects up, it must look like useless strirring up to you. You had years to think and feel about this. Again, I just had weeks. ... I don't know if I would have bought ME2 all those years ago in fact, but that's another subject. Eh, so, sorry again, if I'm just late to the party.

[quote]And another important thing for you to understand, I guess.



[quote]In spite of me knowing this is a video game, of all this gameplay awkwardness, I, as a real person, fell for the character, as much as it is possible to fall for a series of pixels, a beautiful voice, some epic lines of dialogues, witty cinematics and keyboard intercourse. [/quote]You NEVER 'fell' for the 'series of pixels', you always fell only for your own imagined and accepted characters. It's impossible to feel emotions about the "series of pixels", even Sbarge-voiced ones (xept for some very primitive). [/quote]
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Yeah? Well, Nrieh, maybe someday we'll talk about my personal sexual and romantic fantasies, but not now, not here.  Kaidan's character won't speak to everybody's heart, but I insist, it's a design success, maybe a lucky one, but still, a design success, IMO.

[quote]txmn1016 wrote...
If you want to get technical (because Know Your Meme is so technical ), it's "an expression used as a retort in response to someone’s disapproval." Kaidan (and especially Kaidan's sexuality) get's a lot of disaproval generally speaking so I know that there's nothing malicious or even inappropriate about the intent of the art. TL:DR--don't take it personally, it's for giggles. [/quote] 

Alright, thank you so much for explaining and for the link to the original artist, and yeah the whole Meme thing IS actually awfully technical. I am not aware of disapproval, again, as I said, late to the party.

[quote]AshTheBrave wrote...

I think for the most part we don't force this here. Just understand that someone sees Kaidan differently and you will not change their views of him. You should not change their views of him. Don't even try. Do let us know your Kaidan. Tell us your headcanons. Show us your cool pics, gifs, whatever of Kaidan and your femshep or broshep. But don't hate on someone else's.

I think we do a pretty good job of this. Sure we have hiccups every now and then but that's ok too. Just stick through it. It'll be ok. [/quote]

I quite agree, I've never felt offended here, and i quite sincerely hope i never offended anyone or seemed judgemental. It's just that I don't how it did happen that people were factually discussing and that all of the sudden, people seemed defensive about just the very fact that we could debate over this.
So, if all is good, then good it is.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 06 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .