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[Doodle]

Good afternoon Kaidanites and praise all things glowing....

[NRieh]

Also, I don't expect to see a trilogy, so they would need to include as many characters in there as possible. At least a large amount of them from ME2. My guess is that if it's about Shepard ME, then the story would really evolve around Shepard + Liara (blue babes) and all other characters, including Kaidan, would be really some sort of guest appearances.

People in one ongoing thread out there did calculations about amount of screentime per character if they made it basing on ME2. It's impossible. It would look like slideshow. 8)

I doubt even ME1 with rather small squad and omited side-characters (like Conrad Verner or Mr. Bathia..but not Asari Consort, hehe...) can be fit into non-series without crippling story and universe to death.

A playable husk? That would be interesting, or even a friendly husk as a party member por SP in a future DLC.

...and there will be an outcry all over BSN to make him LI-option...for both Shepards...

 ps: oh, I see we have avatar-fest. I think it's time to make DAO worth its 50%.. 8P I just need to decide - either bring some  of myshep here or use my favourite one, which is not ME related...

Modifié par Nrieh, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:20 .

[blmlozz]

Probably, whether they kill him or not, I'll look first who they'd casted for him, and if not adequate, wouldn't bother watching it at all for fear of yelling about it here for ages.

Luciano posted on Jesse Metcalf's FB that he's heard he's being considered for the role .

Also, I don't expect to see a trilogy, so they would need to include as many characters in there as possible.

Whether there will be one or not is debateable. However, the hottest news (from months ago iirc) says that they'll be concentrating on ME1 events only. Which leads to the interpretation that there's the possibility of another 2 movies.
 There were rumors that it would have it's own story and simply be in the ME universe, but they've decided it's going to be a ME1 plot clone.

And why not? Resident evil has had how many itterations? How bad were all of those?

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:25 .

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Good afternoon Kaidanites and praise all things glowing....

I still like them in their non glowing state.

blmlozz wrote...

Probably, whether they kill him or not, I'll look first who they'd casted for him, and if not adequate, wouldn't bother watching it at all for fear of yelling about it here for ages.

Luciano posted on Jesse Metcalf's FB that he's heard he's being considered for the role .

Never heard of neither of them (kidding of course).
Yeah, I know, I read that, still, it's still "considered", a lot of rumors here. Well, if it's this guy, I could probably live up with Kaidan being killed after 15 minutes.

blmlozz wrote...

Also, I don't expect to see a trilogy, so they would need to include as many characters in there as possible.

Whether there will be one or not is debateable. However, the hottest news (from months ago iirc) says that they'll be concentrating on ME1 events only. Which leads to the interpretation that there's the possibility of another 2 movies.
There were rumors that it would have it's own story and simply be in the ME universe, but they've decided it's going to be a ME1 plot clone.

And why not? Resident evil has had how many itterations? How bad were all of those?

Yeah? I didn't know. I thought it was still possible that it would be about First Contact and so on.
Mmmh. Still, I don't know, i can't picture 1 movie for 1 game. Each game is so different regarding the amount and quality of plots. Well, in that case, would make sense to keep them both alive.
 
RE movies, well, really BAD imo.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:31 .

[blmlozz]

Yeah, I know, I read that, still, it's still "considered", a lot of rumors here. Well, if it's this guy, I could probably live up with Kaidan being killed after 15 minutes.

Who would you realisticly prefer? The honest truth is that Kaidan is just a normal guy with super-powers and quirky cliche lines, We like him because of this, and because he's nice to look at...

Metcalf is the right age, isn't fugly to look at, and medicoure acting can do the rest.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but I am saying that this is the quality of actors we should expect. It's not like he's going to be eye-****ing a male Shepard every two seconds even though that would be awesome. . So what you're left with is a fairly basic supporting role who has weird powers. That doesn't appear to require an A list actor from the face of it.

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...

Yeah, I know, I read that, still, it's still "considered", a lot of rumors here. Well, if it's this guy, I could probably live up with Kaidan being killed after 15 minutes.

Who would you realisticly prefer?

Realistically? No one.
I actually don't want to see a ME EVER. Honestly. Cause nobody will fit for me. And I don't have faith.
EDIT > I mean I don't have faith in a ME movie adaptation project, it's not Kaidan specific. 
So when I said "adequate", I really meant "bearable". And as I said, I would only bear it if really really really worth it.

The honest truth is that Kaidan is just a normal guy with super-powers and quirky cliche lines, We like him because of this, and because he's nice to look at...

Speak for yourself. I certainly wouldn't put it that way.

Metcalf is the right age, isn't fugly to look at, and medicoure acting can do the rest.

I didn't even know who the guy is. I don't have anything against him.

All emotional stuff aside, I would really really rather see just some "classic" actor, who would be totally physically remote from Kaidan, like say, Chris Evans or such (don't kill me, just an obvious super-hero example). Actually, I'd like to see someone who can act (I don't know at all about that Metcalf guy), not some guy they cast because he's dark haired with a strong chin.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:46 .

[blmlozz]

Realistically? No one.
I actually don't want to see a ME EVER. Honestly. Cause nobody will fit for me. And I don't have faith.
EDIT > I mean I don't have faith in a ME movie adaptation project, it's not Kaidan specific.
So when I said "adequate", I really meant "bearable". And as I said, I would only bear it if really really really worth it.

I see, I would agree. condensing LOTR into 2-3 hours was painful for most who've read the books, I feel as though it's going to be worse for ME given how much more depth and detail it has, and the consideration that not everyone's interpretation of it has been the same. However, I also think it has the capability (if done well) to still be great to see parts of the story played out on a big screen, and maybe (just maybe) be enough to become this generations Star Wars. That's what it's essentially become at this point.

Speak for yourself. I certainly wouldn't put it that way

how would you put it then?

Garrus is the alien turian that has things like honor, and loyality, and justice as core values. They define his character.
Liara is (in ME1) inquisitive, fragile, but steadfast and determined to make something of herself.
Ashley is unyielding, xenophobic, caculating and has just a small 2x2 soft spot for her friends. She's not afraid to speak her mind at all either.
Wrex is... wrex.. that's all that need be said.
Kaidan though.. he's been with shepard from the begining, he's restrained, resonable, emotional(but doesn't show it), but above all he believes in the alliance. he's reliable (except when it comes to what he percieves as betrayl)  

He's always felt slightly more 'normal' than the rest of the crew to me. His biggest flaw is he killed an alien protecting his girlfriend..

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:03 .

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...

Realistically? No one.
I actually don't want to see a ME EVER. Honestly. Cause nobody will fit for me. And I don't have faith.
EDIT > I mean I don't have faith in a ME movie adaptation project, it's not Kaidan specific.
So when I said "adequate", I really meant "bearable". And as I said, I would only bear it if really really really worth it.

I see, I would agree. condensing LOTR into 2 hours was painful for most who've read the books, I feel as though it's going to be worse for ME given how much more depth and detail it has. However, I also think it has the capability (if done well) to still see the same story played out on a big screen, and maybe (just maybe) be enough to become this generations Star Wars. That's what it's essentially become at this point.

Yes, I meant to talk about LOTR, to me the trilogy is just meh, I had read the books as a child, and I certainly had very high expectations that weren't met. Still, it was OK, I quite like Viggo now, even though at first he was totally off as the Aragorn I pictured from my childhood. Also, the art direction is totally off imo, but well, that's another subject.

ME is different to me. I fell in love with ME as an adult, and from a video game. And well, you know, there's some character called Kaidan Alenko in there. So don't get me wrong, ME could totally, absolutely, had been the glorious equivalent in pop culture to SW in video game. Grand, awesome, you name it. How I would have loved that! And yes, it would have made my day to see it gloriously brought on screen! EDIT > alright, I'll try to be positive for you, it technically STILL can happen.

EDIT > you mentioned SW, well, I'm an original trilogy purist. All the rest, CGI, prequel and so on, never happened in my book. It's about the same thing as for ME1 vs. the rest to me.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:06 .

[NRieh]

condensing LOTR into 2 hours was painful for most who've read the books, I feel as though it's going to be worse for ME given how much more depth and detail it has.

Could be my not native english...but did you just say LotR had less depth and details than ME? 0_o

Yeah, I know there was no Kaidan Alenko, and it had only one ending ("happy", as hero was not drown in lava), and no s\\s supported ...

...but I absolutely disagree.

However, I also think it has the capability (if done well) to still be great to see parts of the story played out on a big screen, and maybe (just maybe) be enough to become this generations Star Wars.

It already became "this generation SW", or even more thn that. Games did their job, screen won't add much to what was already done.

Modifié par Nrieh, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:17 .

[shepskisaac]

Love Kai wearing Shep's clothes <3<3<3


source: sumirehaikuxna.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Kaidan-casual-jacket-XNALara-316057795

I often wear my boyrfirend's stuff, it's like one of the most romantic things ever to me :333

[Kunari801]

Nrieh wrote...

condensing LOTR into 2 hours was painful for most who've read the books, I feel as though it's going to be worse for ME given how much more depth and detail it has.

Could be my not native english...but did you just say LotR had less depth and details than ME? 0_o

Yeah, I know there was no Kaidan Alenko, and it had only one ending ("happy", as hero was not drown in lava), and no ss supported ...

...but I absolutely disagree.... 

I agree with you Nrieh, LotR has a TON of depth in the books and Peter Jackson did a good job with his movies.  I very highly doubt that ME will *get that same level of treatment if/when it's turn into a movie.   

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...

Speak for yourself. I certainly wouldn't put it that way

how would you put it then?

Garrus is the alien turian that has things like honor, and loyality, and justice as core values. They define his character.
Liara is (in ME1) inquisitive, fragile, but steadfast and determined to make something of herself.
Ashley is unyielding, xenophobic, caculating and has just a small 2x2 soft spot for her friends. She's not afraid to speak her mind at all either.
Wrex is... wrex.. that's all that need be said.
Kaidan though.. he's been with shepard from the begining, he's restrained, resonable, emotional(but doesn't show it), but above all he believes in the alliance. he's reliable (except when it comes to what he percieves as betrayl)  

He's always felt slightly more 'normal' than the rest of the crew to me. His biggest flaw is he killed an alien protecting his girlfriend..

Ah yes, if you're speaking about fictional characters as elements of storytelling, it's different.
In which each character embodies values, stands for a certain point of view, or acts as some specific ah... gear, such as Joker for the comic relief for instance, OK, totally. 

Although, from reading your descriptions of each character, I would be tempted to discuss some things in there, but, anyway, that's not the subject.

So, what I mean to say is that what is so lovable about the character, and I mean the video game character (with whom you can interact vs. storytelling character), is that he's always got that double read under the surface quality to him, a "living" character that changes throughout the game, that makes him exactly the normal average boring guy he can be rightfully perceived as, but also a lot more by the virtue of PC gaming (and a little help from your personal emotional luggage and imagination).

And that's something really difficult, if not impossible, to bring on screen.
EDIT > and yes, we're talking about just a secondary character here, not the hero of the movie!

On a more personal note, he's like... just drool. Honestly. I mean, he's my ideal type, sorry. If they had made him fair and long-haired with green eyes and hair on his chest, that would have been a different story. Although I agree he's the physically open to interpretations type. Plus the voice. Yes. The voice. And the pauses, the "...uh", and the "hey...", ahem, I disgress.
 
So yeah, in that case, I'd rather they'd totally go for the "normal" guy as you said, some guy like Freddy Prinze Jr. in his younger days maybe, sort of the nice guy archetype from all those teen movies.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:49 .

[blmlozz]

Nrieh wrote...

condensing LOTR into 2 hours was painful for most who've read the books, I feel as though it's going to be worse for ME given how much more depth and detail it has.

Could be my not native english...but did you just say LotR had less depth and details than ME? 0_o

Yeah, I know there was no Kaidan Alenko, and it had only one ending ("happy", as hero was not drown in lava), and no ss supported ...

...but I absolutely disagree..

I believe you may have mis-understood.

Depth in detail with regard to the fact that almost no one engages the story in the same way with ME where as the LOTR books are litertally word for word.
The shear amount fo dialog and written lines in the ME series is greater than all 4 tolken books, not including the ME books. I believe in one of the ME3 panels it was discussed that there were >tens of thousands of dialog branches and hundreds of hours of V/O. There are 40,000 lines in ME3 alone infact.

people going to watch the theatrical interpretations of TLOTR may be dissapointed by the lack of percieved (by the fans) important moments in the book, or key context for certian scenes.

People going to watch the theatrical interpretations of mass effect have completly different reasons to be dissapointed because their acutal word-for-word story may be completly different! We've been discussing this exact topic infact. We all made sure Kaidan made it out alive on virmire, but a lot of people choose ashely instead.

Think of it this way;

What if Frodo haddn't been the savior of middle earth. What if it turned out to be Sam and frodo was the supporting role?
wouldn't that be more shocking?

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:46 .

[NRieh]

I agree with you Nrieh, LotR has a TON of depth in the books and Peter Jackson did a good job with his movies.

*thinks of 200% screwed Faramir character, and mage duel as brightest examples* Good job?...Well, thngs can be worse, I know..

I very highly doubt that ME will *get that same level of treatment if/when it's turn into a movie.

I'd start with doubts about having same budget. Vega-anime also could have been done by ghibly studio, you know (and if you think it's not their type of story - watch "on your mark") and no money = all good intentions (if any existed) go to hell.

[Kunari801]

Sadly I can't think of any way they wouldn't Vermire Kaidan over Ashley. Unless they go with a female Shep and we know that ain't going to happen.

I've thought maybe there wouldn't be time in the movie to Vermire either one, or that maybe they'd skip both Kaidan and Ash in the movie and concentrate on Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Liara.

But both seems like wishful thinking as I just can't see them skipping a Vermire death.

I fear they'll be given the "red shirt" treatment. In that they'll have a few lines and establish the characters, seen a bit in the background, then killed on Vermire. The survivor will get a few lines after and then be back in the background.

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...
I'm not saying he's perfect, but I am saying that this is the quality of actors we should expect. It's not like he's going to be eye-****ing a male Shepard every two seconds even though that would be awesome. . So what you're left with is a fairly basic supporting role who has weird powers. That doesn't appear to require an A list actor from the face of it.

Been editing a lot, have you?
Yes, I understand what you're saying, if there'd be an A list actor, that would be for Shep himself (tricky one that one. And again, if he had an A list LI, that would for Liara i think.

[Kunari801]

Nrieh wrote...

I agree with you Nrieh, LotR has a TON of depth in the books and Peter Jackson did a good job with his movies.

*thinks of 200% screwed Faramir character, and mage duel as brightest examples* Good job?...Well, thngs can be worse, I know..

I very highly doubt that ME will *get that same level of treatment if/when it's turn into a movie.

I'd start with doubts about having same budget. Vega-anime also could have been done by ghibly studio, you know (and if you think it's not their type of story - watch "on your mark") and no money = all good intentions (if any existed) go to hell.

There is so much content in each LotR book, I do think they did a good job translating it into the movies.  

When I said "Level of treatment" I was speakign about: budget, time, finding the right director, writers, etc. 

[NRieh]

I believe in one of the ME panels it was discussed that there were tens of thousands of dialog branches and hundreds of hours of V/O. There are 40,000 lines in ME3 alone infact.

I doubt it is correct to compare book (=story told) and game(=story experienced). But even more I doubt that counting lines and pages is right way to do so. With all my love and respect to Drew - he is far from same grade writer. Simple example - languages. We know one quarian phrase and one harsh word. And that's all. Translators - I know, nice way not to bother with it. 8)

But to bring it more on topic - it's true that all mentioned above things (SW, LotR, ME) - perfect examples of modern myth. I think I could add W3\\TFT -early WoW here (from videogames) and, probably - Harry Potter and Babylon 5 - from "old" media. All of mentioned perfectly fine worked with archetypes, characters, plot etc. That's why they "work" for us, that's why people react to those. DAO, does not stand in that line for me - sorry. Way too "typical" D20 fantasy classics.

[shepskisaac]

Ohh my the resemblance here is just

[blmlozz]

Ah yes, if you're speaking about fictional characters as elements of storytelling, it's different.
In which each character embodies values, stands for a certain point of view, or acts as some specific ah... gear, such as Joker for the comic relief for instance, OK, totally.

Exactly, I didn’t mean to say he’s boring in the game, clearly we all agree he’s not. Just in the context of the movie he will perceived to be rather ‘normal’ since he’s not going to have that amount of time to develop into his character and worse, presumably he’s going to be killed off anyway..

Although, from reading your descriptions of each character, I would be tempted to discuss some things in there, but, anyway, that's not the subject.

Why not? I didn’t spend a lot of time thinking about my characterizations of them, but we’re firmly into OT here anyway, and there’s nothing else better to talk about >_>

So, what I mean to say is that what is so lovable about the character, and I mean the video game character (with whom you can interact vs. storytelling character), is that he's always got that double read under the surface quality to him, a "living" character that changes throughout the game, that makes him exactly the normal average boring guy he can be rightfully perceived as, but also a lot more by the virtue of PC gaming (and a little help from your personal emotional luggage and imagination).
And that's something really difficult, if not impossible, to bring on screen.
EDIT > and yes, we're talking about just a secondary character here, not the hero of the movie!

Agreed 100%. That goes with all of these characters; it’s why this game is so successful imo. You grow with them, you can hear them react to different responses from Shepard, and in different situations as you take them on mission. You can even love them. That’s impossible to portray in a 2 hour linear movie.

On a more personal note, he's like... just drool. Honestly. I mean, he's my ideal type, sorry. If they had made him fair and long-haired with green eyes and hair on his chest, that would have been a different story. Although I agree he's the physically open to interpretations type. Plus the voice. Yes. The voice. And the pauses, the "...uh", and the "hey...", ahem, I disgress.

Uhh.. yeah, *drool*

Whoops, I mean, I agree.

So yeah, in that case, I'd rather they'd totally go for the "normal" guy as you said, some guy like Freddy Prinze Jr. in his younger days maybe, sort of the nice guy archetype from all those teen movies.

Yup.. we’re on the same page

Been editing a lot, have you?
Yes, I understand what you're saying, if there'd be an A list actor, that would be for Shep himself (tricky one that one. And again, if he had an A list LI, that would for Liara i think

Editing is my weakness I need to try to just post once and forget about it. This thread moves too quickly for edits.

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:05 .

[Kunari801]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ohh my the resemblance here is just

Issac, you're killing me man!   

[dstrawberrygirl]

I loved the Street Fighter movie with Kylie in it, it was as cheesy as the game, and very aware of it. ME is not a silly game, so they'd be forced into trying to do a serious action flic with impressive effects and bang crash explosions. I would love to see how they handle biotics as special effects. But it wouldn't be right... it's not Shep without Hale or Meer, it's not Kaidan without Raphael, etc. Why couldn't they do a different story in the same universe? If they want some crossover, do a Garrus story, get Brandon Keener to do the voice, no face actor needed there!

[blmlozz]

I doubt it is correct to compare book (=story told) and game(=story experienced). But even more I doubt that counting lines and pages is right way to do so. With all my love and respect to Drew - he is far from same grade writer. Simple example - languages. We know one quarian phrase and one harsh word. And that's all. Translators - I know, nice way not to bother with it. 8)

If you want to speak about quality of writing, I would agree, LOTR far surpasses ME. I'm simply saying that there's more content and infinite opportunity for the story to be drasticly different for each person in ME where as there is only one permutation of TLORT. It's harder to alienate your fanbase when there's only one version of the events. There are thousands of versions of the ME story frame. A ME movie doesn't just have to decide what it will and will not include from Mass Effect 1, it has to decide what's acutally canon for the story and what is not, it has way more opportunity to screw things up.

Modifié par blmlozz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:10 .

[NRieh]

It's harder to alienate your fanbase when there's only one version of the events. There are thousands of versions of the ME story frame.

Yes, agree about that point totally, 100%. And I can't understand what they were hoping for when they decided to build screenplay around Shep story. "No canons" was kinda their ™, for quite long time. And that's what attracted players, no matter how limited and illusive choices and options were.

People believed there is "their" story, Shep was a variable, same as all his relations, there were no constants (not before ME3...yes, Liara, I'm looking into your deep blue asari eyes right now...). Hell, even NPCs were much headcanoned! Take our beloved biotic - even those who never roleplay and write fics end up with "private" version of Kaidan, as they picture him, and it can be hell different from mine or anyone else.

But, unfortunately, BW did not have much options. First Contact War hardly has any good material for film. It sound cool - but in fact it was just a short conflict, with very moderate casualties. Humans met turians, humans got scared and shot their fleet while turians were "wtf?!", turians resisted, and at some point took over human base on Shanxi. Council came and told everyone to back off and make peace. That's all. And all of that is "canoned" long ago, in Carpyshin's books.

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...
Exactly, I didn’t mean to say he’s boring in the game, clearly we all agree he’s not.

You got me scared there for a moment. I think we can agree that we agree then.

Why not? I didn’t spend a lot of time thinking about my characterizations of them, but we’re firmly into OT here anyway, and there’s nothing else better to talk about >_>

No we're not! It's still about Kaidan!
Mmmh, Garrus is the one that got me thinking. I liked him more in ME1, i feel his character was more subtle then. I loved the mission with the Dr.Heart subplot. From ME2 onwards, I feel he's more of the one-read, caricatural character. 

ToP!


http://redliquish.tumblr.com/

I like also when he's doing stuff, even if I don't know what's he doing.
Makes you wish you were that gun.





Also, I like helmet Kaidan.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .