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[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

[nos_astra]

blmlozz wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Hm, what if they go for Kaidan/Ashley instead? And when Ash gets left behind Kaidan can blame his superior officer (or the other way round, Shepard saves Ash and Ash gets to blame him).

Sorry, I'm not following you, you mean if they both survive?
Someone has to die in the movie(it *is* an action/adventure story), like the red-shirted security guard in Star trek. Bioware's already killed these two. Makes sense for the sake of mantaining lore that one of them dies.

Ash (or Kaidan) gets left behind (with an armed nuke) = dies on Virmire

The VS can now a) mourn, blame Shepard (for a time). Adds some drama.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:35 .

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

Which base exactly?

I... it's hopeless, I'm mesmerized by animated GIFs.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

Which base exactly?

I... it's hopeless, I'm mesmerized by animated GIFs.

something

BED

related

[Kunari801]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

Which base exactly?

I... it's hopeless, I'm mesmerized by animated GIFs.

something

BED

related

Keep this up Doodles and you will have to think that "Forever alone" policy of yours.     It's good to see actually.  

[Doodle]

Kunari801 wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

Which base exactly?

I... it's hopeless, I'm mesmerized by animated GIFs.

something

BED

related

Keep this up Doodles and you will have to think that "Forever alone" policy of yours.     It's good to see actually.  

"Forever alone" policy of mine, yeah...

not re-thinking that

[MissLiya]

He is real =]=]=]

Modifié par MissLiya, 24 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
*gears up*

So when he hitting dat base

Which base exactly?

I... it's hopeless, I'm mesmerized by animated GIFs.

something

BED

related

Keep this up Doodles and you will have to think that "Forever alone" policy of yours.     It's good to see actually.  

"Forever alone" policy of mine, yeah...

not re-thinking that

You're not alone... Look, there's Kaidan and huh... my my, quite a long string of Costas!

Cleansing power in action vvv

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[blmlozz]

No we're not! It's still about Kaidan!
Mmmh, Garrus is the one that got me thinking. I liked him more in ME1, i feel his character was more subtle then. I loved the mission with the Dr.Heart subplot. From ME2 onwards, I feel he's more of the one-read, caricatural character.

I got that vibe too. They all seem a lot more innocent in the first game, and show a much larger array of emotions than in subsequent games. Which is fitting to an extent I suppose, by the end of ME1 they're battle hardened and they've seen the face of evil. It’s not necessary very satisfying though, and then you have to write a character that's still emotionally flexiable even after seeing impaled civilians turned into husks. Not an easy thing to do.

[AshTheBrave]

blmlozz wrote...
I got that vibe too. They all seem a lot more innocent in the first game, and show a much larger array of emotions than in subsequent games. Which is fitting to an extent I suppose, by the end of ME1 they're battle hardened and they've seen the face of evil. It’s not necessary very satisfying though, and then you have to write a character that's still emotionally flexiable even after seeing impaled civilians turned into husks. Not an easy thing to do.

I got that feeling too. I think everyone is a lot more battle weary in the subsequent games. The games themselves felt a lot more serious. Less gooffing off for sure. I miss that.

[Mimitochan]

blmlozz wrote...

No we're not! It's still about Kaidan!
Mmmh, Garrus is the one that got me thinking. I liked him more in ME1, i feel his character was more subtle then. I loved the mission with the Dr.Heart subplot. From ME2 onwards, I feel he's more of the one-read, caricatural character.

I got that vibe too. They all seem a lot more innocent in the first game, and show a much larger array of emotions than in subsequent games. Which is fitting to an extent I suppose, by the end of ME1 they're battle hardened and they've seen the face of evil. It’s not necessary very satisfying though, and then you have to write a character that's still emotionally flexiable even after seeing impaled civilians turned into husks. Not an easy thing to do.

Aaah, well, that's why I so love ME1 better. But you're right, it may be unfair to be too harsh about that, because ME1 was the first time we met them and after that we're supposed to have history with them, and obviously, time has gone by. Garrus, the evolution feels more natural, ME1 torn character > ME2, 2 years later, vigilante (although you sometimes feel it's been 10 years the way they put it) > ME3 > best bro. Liara though, feels totally artificial. ME1 Liara is just totally another person onwards. She actually feels a lot more human. For some reason, she's forced to us as our bestest friend. Ahah, which reminds, when you get on Mars and you meet her, she goes "What are you doing here?" ... "Oh, I don't know, Kaidan and I we thought it would be great to come and check how your blue ass is doing, and also... WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT A PROTHEAN DEVICE THAT COULD WIPE THE REAPERS OUT?????"

EDIT> also, WAY too many new characters in ME2, no wonder the writing job was tough! A lot of them feel caricatural too, like Jack for instance, although I quite like her. But not as believable as ME1 characters, really more of a Marvel chick.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:22 .

[Doodle]

Eloise K wrote...

I didn't read the previous 2215, so I don't know if any of you has already noticed and discussed about the fact that Kaidan in ME3 is... well... dull.
He was my favourite character in ME1, always been loyal to him just to find out in ME3 that he just talks about Cerberus and duh ... STEAK! (and I am vegan, lol... but it would have been annoying in any case).
I don't know why the guys at BW decided to make him not only the least interesting character in ME3 but also the most stupid. Why? I know that in this community people love to hate him ("he's a whiner"), but there are also many people that love him, not only for his obvious good looks, but because he also has an interesting background story.
BW guys were apparently very commited to dumbing down Major Alenko...

Not only did they dumb down Kaidan

Ashley
Jack
Miranda
Tali
Grunt
Jacob
Thane
~everybody else other than Garrus and Liara

[Doodle]

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Keep this up Doodles and you will have to think that "Forever alone" policy of yours.     It's good to see actually.  

"Forever alone" policy of mine, yeah...

not re-thinking that

You're not alone... Look, there's Kaidan and huh... my my, quite a long string of Costas!

Cleansing power in action vvv

-picturegonedoodlesadnow-

I don't care for Costa.

[Doodle]

Eloise K wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Eloise K wrote...

I didn't read the previous 2215, so I don't know if any of you has already noticed and discussed about the fact that Kaidan in ME3 is... well... dull.
He was my favourite character in ME1, always been loyal to him just to find out in ME3 that he just talks about Cerberus and duh ... STEAK! (and I am vegan, lol... but it would have been annoying in any case).
I don't know why the guys at BW decided to make him not only the least interesting character in ME3 but also the most stupid. Why? I know that in this community people love to hate him ("he's a whiner"), but there are also many people that love him, not only for his obvious good looks, but because he also has an interesting background story.
BW guys were apparently very commited to dumbing down Major Alenko...

Not only did they dumb down Kaidan

Ashley
Jack
Miranda
Tali
Grunt
Jacob
Thane
~everybody else other than Garrus and Liara

True, of all of them (except for Garrus and Liara) only Ashley is a recurring character/squad member in ME3. Plus as far as I know Ashley kept her ****y attitude throughout ME3 as well.

Ashley isn't the only recurring/squaddie in that list, Tali too.

but yeah, all old characters (other than garrus and liara) got dumbed down

[nos_astra]

They needed to fit into the ridicu-plot.

But no, even Garrus is sort of dumbed down. He's finally an important figure in the turian military ... and wastes his time following Shepard around. Kaidan is the second human Spectre and technically commands 1st Special Operations Biotic Company, yet follows Shepard around, writing expense reports for the Council. Garrus just has more bro moments.

You can mitigate this a bit following laikabaw's instructions on maximizing Kaidan's dialogue and banter. [1, 2]

Edit: I don't think he's dull in ME3. He suffers from telling instead of showing, but it has been this way since ME1.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[shepskisaac]

Eloise K wrote...

I didn't read the previous 2215, so I don't know if any of you has already noticed and discussed about the fact that Kaidan in ME3 is... well... dull.
He was my favourite character in ME1, always been loyal to him just to find out in ME3 that he just talks about Cerberus and duh ... STEAK! (and I am vegan, lol... but it would have been annoying in any case).
I don't know why the guys at BW decided to make him not only the least interesting character in ME3 but also the most stupid. Why? I know that in this community people love to hate him ("he's a whiner"), but there are also many people that love him, not only for his obvious good looks, but because he also has an interesting background story.
BW guys were apparently very commited to dumbing down Major Alenko...

It wasn't really discussed before because the majority of Kaidan fans are very happy with how he was written in ME3. Everyone can have his/her own opinion, but most will probably not agree with you on your opinion about Kaidan in ME3. He talks about a lot more than just Cerberus and steak. He talk about his mom, his dad, his biotic students, Horizon, his relationship with Shep (both friendly or romantic) and how it affected and changed him, he interacts with other characters showing his geeky side (the omni-tool discussion with Tali), his fun side (poker with Vega, drinking beer) and much more topic. He shows character growth both in regard to his own personal issues and hiw relationship (friendly or romantic again) with Shep.

[syllogi]

IsaacShep wrote...

Eloise K wrote...

I didn't read the previous 2215, so I don't know if any of you has already noticed and discussed about the fact that Kaidan in ME3 is... well... dull.
He was my favourite character in ME1, always been loyal to him just to find out in ME3 that he just talks about Cerberus and duh ... STEAK! (and I am vegan, lol... but it would have been annoying in any case).
I don't know why the guys at BW decided to make him not only the least interesting character in ME3 but also the most stupid. Why? I know that in this community people love to hate him ("he's a whiner"), but there are also many people that love him, not only for his obvious good looks, but because he also has an interesting background story.
BW guys were apparently very commited to dumbing down Major Alenko...

It wasn't really discussed before because the majority of Kaidan fans are very happy with how he was written in ME3. Everyone can have his/her own opinion, but most will probably not agree with you on your opinion about Kaidan in ME3. He talks about a lot more than just Cerberus and steak. He talk about his mom, his dad, his biotic students, Horizon, his relationship with Shep (both friendly or romantic) and how it affected and changed him, he interacts with other characters showing his geeky side (the omni-tool discussion with Tali), his fun side (poker with Vega, drinking beer) and much more topic. He shows character growth both in regard to his own personal issues and hiw relationship (friendly or romantic again) with Shep.

Yep, I may have other problems with Mass Effect 3, which is why I don't post as much these days, but the one thing I really enjoy about the game is Kaidan.  I think that he's well written, even if I don't love every thing about his characterization (him reacting to Shepard's working with Cerberus should be handled differently than how Ashley reacts, for instance), and I'd say his writing is pretty faithful to how he was portrayed in the first game.

I guess my biggest complaint would be that he doesn't get enough screentime or conversations, but I felt the same way about Tali and Garrus too.  I don't think they were dumbed down, I just think it's symptomatic of how ME3 cuts down on real roleplaying and meaningful character interaction.

[shepskisaac]

I don't think Garrus didn't have enough screen-time. He's the second character with the most scenes after Liara.

[Mimitochan]

syllogi wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Eloise K wrote...

I didn't read the previous 2215, so I don't know if any of you has already noticed and discussed about the fact that Kaidan in ME3 is... well... dull.
He was my favourite character in ME1, always been loyal to him just to find out in ME3 that he just talks about Cerberus and duh ... STEAK! (and I am vegan, lol... but it would have been annoying in any case).
I don't know why the guys at BW decided to make him not only the least interesting character in ME3 but also the most stupid. Why? I know that in this community people love to hate him ("he's a whiner"), but there are also many people that love him, not only for his obvious good looks, but because he also has an interesting background story.
BW guys were apparently very commited to dumbing down Major Alenko...

It wasn't really discussed before because the majority of Kaidan fans are very happy with how he was written in ME3. Everyone can have his/her own opinion, but most will probably not agree with you on your opinion about Kaidan in ME3. He talks about a lot more than just Cerberus and steak. He talk about his mom, his dad, his biotic students, Horizon, his relationship with Shep (both friendly or romantic) and how it affected and changed him, he interacts with other characters showing his geeky side (the omni-tool discussion with Tali), his fun side (poker with Vega, drinking beer) and much more topic. He shows character growth both in regard to his own personal issues and hiw relationship (friendly or romantic again) with Shep.

Yep, I may have other problems with Mass Effect 3, which is why I don't post as much these days,
but the one thing I really enjoy about the game is Kaidan.  I think that he's well written, even if I don't love every thing about his characterization (him reacting to Shepard's working with Cerberus should be handled differently than how Ashley reacts, for instance), and I'd say his writing is pretty faithful to how he was portrayed in the first game.

I guess my biggest complaint would be that he doesn't get enough screentime or conversations, but I felt the same way about Tali and Garrus too.  I don't think they were dumbed down, I just think it's symptomatic of how ME3 cuts down on real roleplaying and meaningful character interaction.

Well, I agree with you, I have a lot to complain about ME3, but I have yet enough energy/motivation to b*tch about it here.
My "oh this thread again" time may come, but in the meantime, I feel satisfied on the overall about the way Kaidan was treated (everything IsaacShep said), actually, I feel somehow relieved about it compared to a lot of other aspects of the game and characters.
Still, the Mars part fits perfectly with my headcanon, and it must be my favourite Shenko moment.
I won't lie, I loved romantic times with Kaidan, but they just feel aloof or very predictable.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:27 .

[syllogi]

IsaacShep wrote...

I don't think Garrus didn't have enough screen-time. He's the second character with the most scenes after Liara.

Maybe I just didn't get all his conversations?  I only played through once, but somehow he and Tali felt like they got fewer conversations than EDI, Liara, Vega, or Javik.  And of course romanced characters are a bit different, so I couldn't compare Kaidan to the rest (although I wish he had been there through the whole game, it was laaaaame having him taken away so fast).

[Doodle]

syllogi wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

I don't think Garrus didn't have enough screen-time. He's the second character with the most scenes after Liara.

Maybe I just didn't get all his conversations?  I only played through once, but somehow he and Tali felt like they got fewer conversations than EDI, Liara, Vega, or Javik.  And of course romanced characters are a bit different, so I couldn't compare Kaidan to the rest (although I wish he had been there through the whole game, it was laaaaame having him taken away so fast).

quite a bit of Garrus's dialog was bugged out (known as engineering bug) and Tali got little because she basicly joined the group pre-thessia which is basicly 3 main missions before earth

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Keep this up Doodles and you will have to think that "Forever alone" policy of yours. It's good to see actually.

"Forever alone" policy of mine, yeah...

not re-thinking that

You're not alone... Look, there's Kaidan and huh... my my, quite a long string of Costas!

Cleansing power in action vvv

-picturegonedoodlesadnow-

I don't care for Costa.

Then why did you remove it silly? I picked it especially for you, you know.
I know your tastes. You don't care for Costa. That makes them good

OMG!!! 3rd ToP in a row! *goes fumbling and re-filling her empty glass*

EDIT 2 > Also...
 

EDIT > ToP  - got my glass full again, and found this old GIF project



So this is way too heavy, but still, I... could literally watch this tutorial part forever, I'm hopeless.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .