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a2yostie wrote...
You see, I HATED ME2.

I hated the gameplay. I hated how shallow the story seemed. I hated the use of the dying/ressurected mechanic. Most of all, I hated the fact that it seemed that in order to cater to the shooter fandom, Bioware ripped out everything that was even remotely RPG, and sold out their core fans, everything they were, to attract more fans, and more sales. Basically, as someone who has bought almost every game Bioware has made since Baldur's Gate, I felt...betrayed. I know that's strong, (and the parallels between how I felt and how Kaidan must-have felt in ME2 do not escape me...;)) but still it was there. I felt like shooters are a dime-a-dozen, there is always another one coming out for those fans. But as someone like me, for whom the depth of the story, the depth of the charectors, and the ability to make the story path my own is everything, there are damn few games, heck game companies for me. Bioware was the best, most reliable one, and I felt betrayed, angry and, again as someone who'd supported Bioware for so long, through so many games, I felt bitter. I played the game through once, with my cannon Fem Shep (who OF COURSE romanced Kaidan), and never played it again.

I relate to just about everything you wrote. I only recently picked up the Mass Effect games again to re-play (in prep for ME3) and get back into the world. This time through was much more enjoyable than my initial playthrough. I was one of those people that actually loved fiddling in the inventory in the first game, and for me, having Kaidan as a companion MADE the game. Naturally, I was disappointed by the small (and angry) crumb of him in ME2 and the stripped out features.

BUT! I've pretty much gotten over my initial disappointment and anger at the loss of certain things and the addition of others. I'm now really looking forward to the final chapter of Shep's (and Kaidan's) story. It's still a BW game, and still has an immersive story, so I'm trying to focus on things I like and not the things I dislike.

I totally understand and share your feelings though. :)

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TeenZombie wrote...

LOL, since we're sharing kid photos, I will show off the fact that sometimes, my son's curly hair resembles a certain character's:

*snip*

OMG he looks like little Kaidan!!! xD <3

dunfall14 wrote...

Sorry about the rant it's not been my day and i'm happy for all of you with children.

Awww :( Don't worry, I'm sure you will find someone one day! I understand trust issues and how serious they may be, but I'm sure you'll do fine and find the right person who won't let you down! :happy:

Jenova65 wrote...
Hope you two aren't arguing over who gets Kaidan :P;)

We're already setteled he would be in the middle :bandit:

a2yostie wrote...

Gosh, this was long. Sorry! And sorry for the venting, I promise I'll do happy posts in the future.

Haha it's ok! :D Can definitely see how personal life may have influenced your view of ME2, BUT. At the same time, people have different tastes. You DON'T have to force yourself to like. Great you're giving it another shot, but if you still just don't like the gameplay, then that's ok, we can't like everything :) Just wait for ME3 which should fix alot of ME2 problems and there'll be lots of Kaidan in it so maybe ME3 will suit you much better? :D

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Jenova65 wrote...
Hope you two aren't arguing over who gets Kaidan :P;)

We're already setteled he would be in the middle :bandit:


*wolf whistles*
hahahah What a nice arrangement to have. :lol:

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IsaacShep wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

LOL, since we're sharing kid photos, I will show off the fact that sometimes, my son's curly hair resembles a certain character's:

*snip*

OMG he looks like little Kaidan!!! xD <3

dunfall14 wrote...

Sorry about the rant it's not been my day and i'm happy for all of you with children.

Awww :( Don't worry, I'm sure you will find someone one day! I understand trust issues and how serious they may be, but I'm sure you'll do fine and find the right person who won't let you down! :happy:

Jenova65 wrote...
Hope you two aren't arguing over who gets Kaidan :P;)

We're already settled he would be in the middle :bandit:

a2yostie wrote...

Gosh, this was long. Sorry! And sorry for the venting, I promise I'll do happy posts in the future.

Haha it's ok! :D Can definitely see how personal life may have influenced your view of ME2, BUT. At the same time, people have different tastes. You DON'T have to force yourself to like. Great you're giving it another shot, but if you still just don't like the gameplay, then that's ok, we can't like everything :) Just wait for ME3 which should fix alot of ME2 problems and there'll be lots of Kaidan in it so maybe ME3 will suit you much better? :D


Mmmm............ cosy :kissing::P You are both clearly sharers :D

Modifié par Jenova65, 27 août 2011 - 11:33 .


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I'm now wondering if I could get my darling husband to take part in a Jenova sandwich with Kaidan... :P

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Jenova65 wrote...

I'm now wondering if I could get my darling husband to take part in a Jenova sandwich with Kaidan... :P


For when those little Kaidan fantasies in your head need an outlet. :whistle:

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Bekkael wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I'm now wondering if I could get my darling husband to take part in a Jenova sandwich with Kaidan... :P


For when those little Kaidan fantasies in your head need an outlet. :whistle:

Lol... The Dragon Age II one is pretty cool too, especially if you have a *not my brother* attitude to Carver :P:innocent:

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 OMG, I love how this thread can go from posting pics of kids to posting links to smut in one page.  :lol:

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It's how we do, Teen. lol

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Jenova65 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I'm now wondering if I could get my darling husband to take part in a Jenova sandwich with Kaidan... :P


For when those little Kaidan fantasies in your head need an outlet. :whistle:

Lol... The Dragon Age II one is pretty cool too, especially if you have a *not my brother* attitude to Carver :P:innocent:

*clears throat* I just might write quite a bit for the DA kmeme. And I REALLY like Carver. Yet I admit nothing. :innocent::devil:

TeenZombie wrote...
OMG, I love how this thread can go from posting pics of kids to posting links to smut in one page. :lol:

I find one can kinda lead to or be the result of  the other. :o

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We need a shirtless Kaidan in here....

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Damned towel....but I think is ok to post it here...LOL

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Geirahod wrote...

We need a shirtless Kaidan in here....

*smoldering Kaidan snip*

Damned towel....but I think is ok to post it here...LOL


*eyes fall out of head* Hubba hubba! :wub:

Dangit, I need to be heading to Ilos NOW, I still have Feros and Virmire to do.

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Bekkael wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I'm now wondering if I could get my darling husband to take part in a Jenova sandwich with Kaidan... :P


For when those little Kaidan fantasies in your head need an outlet. :whistle:

Lol... The Dragon Age II one is pretty cool too, especially if you have a *not my brother* attitude to Carver :P:innocent:

*clears throat* I just might write quite a bit for the DA kmeme. And I REALLY like Carver. Yet I admit nothing. :innocent::devil:

TeenZombie wrote...
OMG, I love how this thread can go from posting pics of kids to posting links to smut in one page. :lol:

I find one can kinda lead to or be the result of  the other. :o


LOL, I finished a Hawke Siblings drawing and put it up on dA today, and I'm monitoring comments for references to "Hawkecest"...my real life family doesn't need to know what *really* goes on in the fandom I'm a part of...:o

And I don't know what it says about me, that I am totally uninterested in having kids in games, but romance and sexy times are most welcome.  Actually, it's probably pretty normal.

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TeenZombie wrote...
LOL, I finished a Hawke Siblings drawing and put it up on dA today, and I'm monitoring comments for references to "Hawkecest"...my real life family doesn't need to know what *really* goes on in the fandom I'm a part of...:o

And I don't know what it says about me, that I am totally uninterested in having kids in games, but romance and sexy times are most welcome.  Actually, it's probably pretty normal.

*Faved* I love Carver, whether he's a ****** or not. <3

For the underlined above - it's normal for me. Fantasy is somewhat about escapism, no? Who wouldn't want to kiss an elf/biotic/dragonslayer/something else cool?? Going to an imaginary world where you can leave real life behind and embrace impossible romance and sexitimz....what's not to love? :P

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Bekkael wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
LOL, I finished a Hawke Siblings drawing and put it up on dA today, and I'm monitoring comments for references to "Hawkecest"...my real life family doesn't need to know what *really* goes on in the fandom I'm a part of...:o

And I don't know what it says about me, that I am totally uninterested in having kids in games, but romance and sexy times are most welcome.  Actually, it's probably pretty normal.

*Faved* I love Carver, whether he's a ****** or not. <3

For the underlined above - it's normal for me. Fantasy is somewhat about escapism, no? Who wouldn't want to kiss an elf/biotic/dragonslayer/something else cool?? Going to an imaginary world where you can leave real life behind and embrace impossible romance and sexitimz....what's not to love? :P



Fun fact, I had used the title "Happier Times" for a drawing of Kaidan, Ashley, and FemShep on the original Normandy, that I never finished.  I thought it was appropriate for a pic of Bethany and Carver, sob.

And I *always* have to use cheats in Sims games when I have to raise kids.  It's just not something I want to play out.  You're totally right about escapism...not that I would trade my real life, but in games, I want to be an awesome adventurer, not working a nine to five job and filling out insurance forms and taking my kid to the dentist, lol.  

Romance is a bonus, but I think it does add another level to "what are you fighting for" in a game like Mass Effect.  Games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion felt really empty without companions to at least talk to.

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Bekkael wrote...

I relate to just about everything you wrote. I only recently picked up the Mass Effect games again to re-play (in prep for ME3) and get back into the world. This time through was much more enjoyable than my initial playthrough. I was one of those people that actually loved fiddling in the inventory in the first game, and for me, having Kaidan as a companion MADE the game. Naturally, I was disappointed by the small (and angry) crumb of him in ME2 and the stripped out features.

BUT! I've pretty much gotten over my initial disappointment and anger at the loss of certain things and the addition of others. I'm now really looking forward to the final chapter of Shep's (and Kaidan's) story. It's still a BW game, and still has an immersive story, so I'm trying to focus on things I like and not the things I dislike.

I totally understand and share your feelings though. :)


Thanks. I remember there was a vocal minority who felt the same way in the forums when the game first came out, but we were usually told to s*#@k it by the shooter fans, so I stopped hanging out anywhere but in these friendly confines!:)

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TeenZombie wrote...
 You're totally right about escapism...not that I would trade my real life, but in games, I want to be an awesome adventurer, not working a nine to five job and filling out insurance forms and taking my kid to the dentist, lol.  

Romance is a bonus, but I think it does add another level to "what are you fighting for" in a game like Mass Effect.  Games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion felt really empty without companions to at least talk to.

I agree. After you play BioWare-style, you're kinda spoiled to many things, but then there are other things they lack, like world size. In The Elder Scrolls games, I just make up for lack of NPC depth by using all the crazy-fun acrobatics my PC is capable of.  By the time I maxed my character in Oblivion, she could run faster than a horse LOL. I gave up on Fallout 3 after the main quest. The world was too visually ugly and depressing for me.

I also think the romance aspect in BW games makes it more powerful as to what you're fighting for and trying to preserve. It's hits you on so many additional levels.

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Thanks. I remember there was a vocal minority who felt the same way in the forums when the game first came out, but we were usually told to s*#@k it by the shooter fans, so I stopped hanging out anywhere but in these friendly confines!Posted Image

I hate shooters. My hubby loves them. He doesn't play RPG's, but likes to watch me. The Mass Effect games are the only shooter-esque games I have ever (mostly) enjoyed. I normally prefer swords and magic, but ME is close enough to satisfy. :D

Modifié par Bekkael, 28 août 2011 - 02:54 .


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I agree, I love bioware games because of the companions, I feel so lonely in the elder scrolls. Sad. Atleast your husband watches you play, mine doesn't. My friends don't even play video games. Lol I'm the only one who has any interest in it.

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sugaafoot wrote...

I agree, I love bioware games because of the companions, I feel so lonely in the elder scrolls. Sad. Atleast your husband watches you play, mine doesn't. My friends don't even play video games. Lol I'm the only one who has any interest in it.


I think this is exactly what makes Bioware games unique.  So many memorable companions that you actually care about, and who change based on your actions.  Most other RPGs either have no companions at all (which DOES feel lonely) or the NPCs, while memorable, aren't affected by anything you do, so it feels more like reading a novel and less like interacting with a person.  I think it also adds to the replayability exponentially, as different combinations of companions will make the game feel very different, and your companions act differently based on the choices you've made.  I don't know many other games that do this.  

The only non-Bioware games where I ever felt so attached to companion characters are the Fire Emblem games, and I can see many of the same characteristics...  

1) Characters interact with each other, so there is replayability around seeing different party make-up
2) Scenes play out differently depending on which characters are in your active group
3) Using the same characters more often rewards you with additional dialogue and backstory
4) No possible way to see all companion dialogue in one game, or even in two or three playthroughs
5) ROMANCE!
6) Multiple epilogue possibilities for each companion depending on how you used them in that particular game

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i really dont get the thread tittle.....

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neo7732 wrote...

i really dont get the thread tittle.....

  In genesis comic, a lot of the media and on general forums, Kaidan's name gets misspelled a lot as Kaiden.  sometimes thread likes to joke that its his evil twin. but in general it gets tiresome, hence the title

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Maybe we could have a new title? One that would include "Bump hair tonight Kaidan. With me"? xD <3

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IsaacShep wrote...

Maybe we could have a new title? One that would include "Bump hair tonight Kaidan. With me"? xD <3


Bwhahaha. :lol: I know the Anders thread changes their title a lot.

Bioware RPGs have spoiled me, I love having a character that I can create and make do things, as opposed to JRPGs where everything is setup a certain way. (In fact, there haven't been many JRPGs that I've played lately, I think my last one was Final Fantasy XIII :sick:)

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IsaacShep wrote...

Maybe we could have a new title? One that would include "Bump hair tonight Kaidan. With me"? xD <3


Haha, I like that one, but I think even more people would miss the pun.  I seriously was going to only leave that title up for a few days when this forum was new, but I kept seeing "KaidEn" everywhere.  So it kept being relevant.

I was thinking of changing the title when story spoilers came out, so we could warn people before entering that we'd be having spoilery discussions.  But that hasn't been necessary yet...

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jeweledleah wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

i really dont get the thread tittle.....

  In genesis comic, a lot of the media and on general forums, Kaidan's name gets misspelled a lot as Kaiden.  sometimes thread likes to joke that its his evil twin. but in general it gets tiresome, hence the title


ahhh how catchy.  ha ok thanks, I never used the genesis or took an intrest to him throughout the series so Im not familiar with the lingo. but thanks for letting me know