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[Sialater]

~insert Fireye's groping pic here~

lol

[Ellyria]

Sialater wrote...

~insert Fireye's groping pic here~

lol

I never get tired of Fireye's screenies.  Makes me wish I had ME on the PC. (but I'd have to use a controller, I suck at shooters enough as it is, using mouse + keyboard would kill me... and Shepard. )

[Time4Tiddy]

Pax of Doom wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

I hope they will allow another intense scene between Kaidan and Shepard, like that one scene when the normady is grounded and Shepard is throwing a hissy fit near her lockers and they are about to kiss but Joker interrupts them before they do.

Love that scene - the best scene in the game.  Ilos Eve is nice, but the locker scene...  The look on Kaidan's face when Joker interrupts is perfect.

Yeap, can't beat that scene for romantic intensity.

[Time4Tiddy]

Rannin wrote...

Thanks for the warm welcomes guys! 

I found myself really enjoying Carth/Kaidan's VA whilst playing KOTOR (he's got a cute "raspy" voice), and it felt like there were more conversations than ME1&2 (which I LOVED).  Be that as it may, I can completely see how much of an improvement the end-game romance result that Kaidan got versus Carth in ME1.  I felt kinda "gypped" at the end of KOTOR, because, yet again (like the Garrus romance) all I wanted was a simple kiss  (is that so hard lol? And my bf told me that Bastila got a kiss *grr-rage*).
 

If it makes you feel any better, getting that kiss/fade to black with Bastila bugs out the romance for the rest of the game.  You can only finish out the romance if you DON'T kiss her.

Carth was really my first experience with RPG romance and I thought he was just so well done, funny and vulnerable and that sexy rasp.  I did one male PC playthrough of KotOR to see the Bastila romance, but every other time I've played that game, it's always as LS female because I hate the thought of missing any of Carth's romance script.  Plus added bonus LS female gets the Juhani s/s dialogue without breaking the Carth romance.

With all my nostalgic memories of Carth, I have yet to get through a playthrough of ME1-2 where I wasn't female and faithfully romancing Kaidan.  I just feel like I'm betraying my old love.  LOL!

Side note:  You might also want to try Jade Empire, if you haven't yet.  Sky is another great romance, especially deep if you play as a male PC.  But he is no Sbarge.

[Criz]

do we have to start a petition now, so BioWare puts a Sbarge-voiced LI in all their games from now on?

[Jenova65]

Criz-Zone wrote...

do we have to start a petition now, so BioWare puts a Sbarge-voiced LI in all their games from now on?

Oh yeah, and give the haters a reason to b*tch more? I think not 

[Caseshep]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

I hope they will allow another intense scene between Kaidan and Shepard, like that one scene when the normady is grounded and Shepard is throwing a hissy fit near her lockers and they are about to kiss but Joker interrupts them before they do.

Love that scene - the best scene in the game.  Ilos Eve is nice, but the locker scene...  The look on Kaidan's face when Joker interrupts is perfect.

Yeap, can't beat that scene for romantic intensity.

Oh that scene gave me butterflies the first time I played. Still does I suppose. :wub:

I feel like the only romance in ME2 that can compare to the ME1 romance is with Thane and all that "Siha" business.
And maybe not even that..
In ME1, the parings seemed like equals, whether that be Kaidan and Shep, Ash and Shep, or Liara and Shep. But in ME2 it felt like it was just the other person throwing themselves at Shep. Or the romance between Garrus and Shep just seemed like exactly how it was described.. a way to blow off steam, justs sex. Like friends with benefits. Or maybe that's because my own Shep seemed disconnected from most of the crew since she was staying faithful to Kaidan.
I don't mean offense to any of the players who love the other romances and are faithful to their ME2 LI, that's just a vibe I got from it.. So, anybody have a second opinion to change my mind?

Modifié par Caseshep, 28 août 2011 - 03:02 .

[Sialater]

Caseshep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

I hope they will allow another intense scene between Kaidan and Shepard, like that one scene when the normady is grounded and Shepard is throwing a hissy fit near her lockers and they are about to kiss but Joker interrupts them before they do.

Love that scene - the best scene in the game.  Ilos Eve is nice, but the locker scene...  The look on Kaidan's face when Joker interrupts is perfect.

Yeap, can't beat that scene for romantic intensity.

Oh that scene gave me butterflies the first time I played. Still does I suppose. :wub:

I feel like the only romance in ME2 that can compare to the ME1 romance is with Thane and all that "Siha" business.
And maybe not even that..
In ME1, the parings seemed like equals, whether that be Kaidan and Shep, Ash and Shep, or Liara and Shep. But in ME2 it felt like it was just the other person throwing themselves at Shep. Or the romance between Garrus and Shep just seemed like exactly how it was described.. a way to blow off steam, justs sex. Like friends with benefits. Or maybe that's because my own Shep seemed disconnected from most of the crew since she was staying faithful to Kaidan.
I don't mean offense to any of the players who love the other romances and are faithful to their ME2 LI, that's just a vibe I got from it.. So, anybody have a second opinion to change my mind?

Yes, but I can't really explain it here since this is the Kaidan thread.  My fic, Loved, is about Meghan and Garrus, though.  

[Ellyria]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Side note:  You might also want to try Jade Empire, if you haven't yet.  Sky is another great romance, especially deep if you play as a male PC.  But he is no Sbarge.

Cam Clarke. 

I was annoyed that he was the only male LI in the game, but I like him enough that I don't mind romancing him every single time I play. (He's like Kaidan in that way <3)

Caseshep wrote...
I feel like the only romance in ME2 that can compare to the ME1 romance is with Thane and all that "Siha" business.
And maybe not even that..
In ME1, the parings seemed like equals, whether that be Kaidan and Shep, Ash and Shep, or Liara and Shep. But in ME2 it felt like it was just the other person throwing themselves at Shep. Or the romance between Garrus and Shep just seemed like exactly how it was described.. a way to blow off steam, justs sex. Like friends with benefits. Or maybe that's because my own Shep seemed disconnected from most of the crew since she was staying faithful to Kaidan.
I don't mean offense to any of the players who love the other romances and are faithful to their ME2 LI, that's just a vibe I got from it.. So, anybody have a second opinion to change my mind?

I dunno about the whole "throwing themselves at Shepard" thing, since they don't really show an interest unless you pick the blantently obvious fliriting dialogue (well, I thought it was). I like Thane and his romance, but I like Kaidan more. And CanonShep isn't going to cheat on Kaidan, I made a NonCanonShep just to hook up with Thane.

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Side note:  You might also want to try Jade Empire, if you haven't yet.  Sky is another great romance, especially deep if you play as a male PC.  But he is no Sbarge.

The voice actor's great and as much as I was glad there was an m/m romance in JE, I have the same problem with it as with Garrus romance. In Sky's case it's "I'm pushing 30 but I've never ever before thought about a guy before you" and in Garrus case it's "Actually FemShep, I'm not attracted to you but I'm gonna let you have me nonetheless". I don't know which one is more unrealistic.

[anatoliy23]

 

[Ellyria]

IsaacShep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Side note:  You might also want to try Jade Empire, if you haven't yet.  Sky is another great romance, especially deep if you play as a male PC.  But he is no Sbarge.

The voice actor's great and as much as I was glad there was an m/m romance in JE, I have the same problem with it as with Garrus romance. In Sky's case it's "I'm pushing 30 but I've never ever before thought about a guy before you" and in Garrus case it's "Actually FemShep, I'm not attracted to you but I'm gonna let you have me nonetheless". I don't know which one is more unrealistic.

I don't get it, does that mean people who were married for twenty years and suddenly realize they're also attracted to the opposite sex only happens in movies/TV/gaming, otherwise it's unrealistic? How do you think they'll have to do Kaidan as an S/S choice to make it realistic?

I'm not picking a fight, I'm actually curious. I've never really understood the reasoning behind it.

[Time4Tiddy]

IsaacShep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Side note:  You might also want to try Jade Empire, if you haven't yet.  Sky is another great romance, especially deep if you play as a male PC.  But he is no Sbarge.

The voice actor's great and as much as I was glad there was an m/m romance in JE, I have the same problem with it as with Garrus romance. In Sky's case it's "I'm pushing 30 but I've never ever before thought about a guy before you" and in Garrus case it's "Actually FemShep, I'm not attracted to you but I'm gonna let you have me nonetheless". I don't know which one is more unrealistic.

Sky was married young, had a child, did the whole husband thing.  Not sure where you live, but in Minnesota it's VERY VERY VERY common for this scenario to happen, with guys not coming out until they are in their 30s and already have a family.  Sure, as society becomes more liberal, people are exposed to homosexuality and bisexuality at younger ages, and are more likely to figure themselves out young, but in the worlds of Jade Empire and Mass Effect, where there isn't a single out gay role model, it's no surprise to me if people take a bit longer to figure out where their interests lie.

[Caseshep]

Chylise wrote...
I dunno about the whole "throwing themselves at Shepard" thing, since they don't really show an interest unless you pick the blantently obvious fliriting dialogue (well, I thought it was). I like Thane and his romance, but I like Kaidan more. And CanonShep isn't going to cheat on Kaidan, I made a NonCanonShep just to hook up with Thane.

Ehhh, you're right. I didn't mean literally throwing themselves at Shepard, just how everyone is in love with him/her. But that could be said for Kaidan/Ash/Liara too. Ninjamancing everywhere. Comes with the romance options I suppose.  I'm too Shenko biased..   Because I guess you can make whatever you want out of your ME2 romance as we do here in the Kaidan thread. For instance...you could argue that Garrus does like Shep which is why he's so nervous around her.

[jeweledleah]

I would disagree about ME being a place where its impossible to figure out your sexual orientation young. after all - its supposed to be our world's future and our world is not exactly silent. as far as Garrus is concerned, the vibe I got is that it was supposed to be friends with benefits thing that grew into more. sure he's not initially attracted to femshep. he's not in love with her, but he respects and trusts her, enough to try something he hasn't tried before. He cares though. and in a last scene - its painfully obvious that he case for her as more then just a friend to release tension with, no strings attached. its not orientation story as much as its a friends to lovers story. I haven't played Jade empire so I won't comment on that

With Kaidan though? coming out suddenly story to me will sound extremely unrealistic. he is 35 years old, has his ducks in a row when you first meet him, and while you can convince him to change his stance on aliens a little (and you don't turn him xenophobic, its more like Alistair's hardening, he just becomes less "innocent until proven guilty" type), you cannot really change him as a person. so if they do implement s/s relationship with him, coming out story is going to sound .... wrong.

Shepard is too much of a memetic sex god already and we don't have an excuse of sexually repressed, quasi medieval setting to back up the "awakening" with (seriously - a high class prostitute is a highly respected member of the society, there are strip clubs everywhere, and they are legal etc) if Kaidan were bi - pretty sure he knew that by the time you've met him, so whatever reason he didn't tell Shepard about it, I hope to god they don't use "I didn't realize I liked men, until you came along" among other things, don't you think it sounds just a tad patronizing towards s/s romance?

edited.  in ME2, the only character that is hot for Shepard is Tali.  Jacob was interested in passing (the way you can apreciate someone good looking passing down the street), but didn't want to pursue it - Shepard has to change his mind.  Thane... Thane is someone tricky, becasue once you start his romance, he goes - I haven't not been atracted to other species before but you have a spirit to you, that reminds me how I felt about my wife. I could never figure out if its just admiration, or something more.  Garrus... well we know how Garrus starts off.  Miranda is similar to Jacob.  you have to convince her to look again.  and Jack? Jack thinks you are just like everyone else, wanting to use her.  she doesn't litteraly throw herself at Shepard, her romance is all about letting her see that she's more then just a quick screw for Shepard.  so no, ME2 characters don't just throw themselves at Shepard.  it might seem like everyone is in loooove, but its an illusion becasue of so many love interests.  ME1 LI's, including Kaidan are a lot more proactive.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 août 2011 - 04:16 .

[shepskisaac]

Coming out and realizing you're bi/gay are two different things. Quite honestly, in this day and age, I'm gonna safely say 99.99% of bi/gay people know it before they finish puberty period (which would be like 25 max). It's a different thing if they stay in marriages, try to deny their attractions and come out years later. But they know, really. And if we want to get really technical, there's a certain part of male body that will make it 100% clear for a guy if he is attracted to something he sees, even if he didn't realize it himself.

But I don't want to get off-topic too much, was just my comment how I see aspects of Sky & Garrus romances as unrealistic.

@jeweledleah Agree with your entire post (wow, never thought that would happen xD). Whatever the reason he didn't tell anything Shep will be, let's hope it ain't "Becuase I've never thought about it before". That would be just unrealistic IMO and also agree about patronizing part.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 août 2011 - 04:19 .

[Criz]

was wondering about armor customization but didn't just want to send the tweet out without ... supporting visual material

@CaseyDHudson #squadarmor any chance squaddies will actually acknowledge & react to what you make them wear?

I wish I had more than 140 letters to add "this is NOT a suggestion for an alternate outfit for Kaidan!"
Kaidan's Spectre Armor also available in Phoenix coloring ... lucky Kaidan

Modifié par Criz-Zone, 28 août 2011 - 04:20 .

[shepskisaac]

LOL at Shep's expression seeing Kai in Phoenix armor xD

[Ellyria]

Criz-Zone wrote...

was wondering about armor customization but didn't just want to send the tweet out without ... supporting visual material

@CaseyDHudson #squadarmor any chance squaddies will actually acknowledge & react to what you make them wear?

I wish I had more than 140 letters to add "this is NOT a suggestion for an alternate outfit for Kaidan!"
Kaidan's Spectre Armor also available in Phoenix coloring ... lucky Kaidan

*snip*

Ahahah, Kaidan does not look impressed. 

In my current PT, ME decided that it needed to give me Phoenix V armor early on for everyone, and didn't give me anything better, so everyone was pretty in pink.

@Isaac I'm hoping with Kaidan/MShep they'll do something along the lines of: after Shepard flirts with Kaidan, Kaidan expresses surprise, and then says that he felt attracted to Shepard, but assumed that he was only interested in women, so he never tells Shepard. Like if FemShep chooses Liara over Kaidan, his "I never knew you liked women, if I did I wouldn't have bothered to try" conversation. Kaidan seems to be reluctant to attempt a relationship unless he knows for sure that the other person is interested in him, so I think it would work for his character. Definitely wouldn't be a fan of "I'll try it because it's you." <_< I don't think it fits Kaidan at all.

Modifié par Chylise, 28 août 2011 - 04:57 .

[Criz]

I wouldn't put it past a potential LI who wasn't an LI before to become attracted to Shepard over the course of the game and because of his/her actions. Also, not daring to address their feelings unless Shepard would open up first would sound perfectly fine to me if done well. Even if the future of ME is more open minded, if I was Kaidan I wouldn't run up to my male commanding officer and confess my love for them out of the blue (<- no pun or Liara reference intended)

also, I don't get why it sometimes sounds like attraction to one gender is exclusive like you're either straight or gay leaving out that Shepard might be attracted to people of both genders. But that's just it, he's interested in the characters, not their gender. Vice versa if someone isn't my Shep's type he won't romance them (that's what 'test' Shepards are for) *shrug*

ah, well just have to wait and see


as for the picture, I drew it as if Shepard had Kaidan wear that armor and originally considered several lines of dialog like "but it has better armor and shields!" etc.  to which Kaidan would reply with a simply "...", but decided eventually that words aren't necessary

Modifié par Criz-Zone, 28 août 2011 - 05:16 .

[Ellyria]

Criz-Zone wrote...
also, I don't get why it sometimes sounds like attraction to one gender is exclusive like you're either straight or gay leaving out that Shepard might be attracted to people of both genders. But that's just it, he's interested in the characters, not their gender. Vice versa if someone isn't my Shep's type he won't romance them (that's what 'test' Shepards are for) *shrug*

Yeeeah, I don't get that either. It's like how in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, they decided that Willow was a lesbian in Season 4, despite her being in love with Xander, Oz, and admitting she had a crush on Giles previously. She doesn't suddenly "only like women", she likes both.

For MShepard, I'm going to blame Bioware for not including any S/S choices for him, and only allowing you to romance women, whereas with FemShep, she could romance Liara, Morinth, Samara, and Kelly as S/S. Heck, FemShep can even suggest a threesome between herself, Liara, and Kaidan (meaning she likes guys AND girls), and then Kaidan acts like she was never interested in men, ever. What the hell? 

[FireEye]

I'd bring up RL examples, but I don't wanna drag people's experiences into this without their consent. Suffice it to say, in my experience, people do go from only liking one to only liking the other, don't realize they like [x] until later in life, and only fall for one gendered type of a given sex, or simply one person. Although some is more likely in a persons-per-population graft than others, none of that is unrealistic to me.

Poorly written? Yeah, it could be poorly written. But Kaidan's writer is gone to Dragon Age, and his supplementary writers are gone from the company and gone to TOR. "I didn't realize I liked men," is the least of my worries for Kaidan being poorly written at this point.

[Ellyria]

FireEye wrote...

I'd bring up RL examples, but I don't wanna drag people's experiences into this without their consent. Suffice it to say, in my experience, people do go from only liking one to only liking the other, don't realize they like [x] until later in life, and only fall for one gendered type of a given sex, or simply one person. Although some is more likely in a persons-per-population graft than others, none of that is unrealistic to me.

Poorly written? Yeah, it could be poorly written. But Kaidan's writer is gone to Dragon Age, and his supplementary writers are gone from the company and gone to TOR. "I didn't realize I liked men," is the least of my worries for Kaidan being poorly written at this point.

Hi FireEye! We were talking about your fun screenies earlier. 

I don't disagree with anything you've said, that's why we humans are so unique, to say the least. I guess it all boils down to a person's character to determine if it seems unrealistic or not.

Kaidan's writer went to DA? Who was it, and who's writing for him now (and should we be afraid?)

[Caseshep]

Criz-Zone wrote...

I wouldn't put it past a potential LI who wasn't an LI before to become attracted to Shepard over the course of the game and because of his/her actions. Also, not daring to address their feelings unless Shepard would open up first would sound perfectly fine to me if done well. Even if the future of ME is more open minded, if I was Kaidan I wouldn't run up to my male commanding officer and confess my love for them out of the blue (<- no pun or Liara reference intended)

also, I don't get why it sometimes sounds like attraction to one gender is exclusive like you're either straight or gay leaving out that Shepard might be attracted to people of both genders. But that's just it, he's interested in the characters, not their gender. Vice versa if someone isn't my Shep's type he won't romance them (that's what 'test' Shepards are for) *shrug*

Exactly.
I've said this before in a s/s discussion thread.

People change their gender attraction in real life, so why can't it be any different in the ME universe?

Captain Jack Harkness comes to mind where he was married but mostly he just likes to f**k anything that moves. In Torchwood, Ianto wasn't "gay" before he met Jack. He told his sister, "It's weird. It's just different. It's not... men... it's just him....It's only him."

So apply that to Shepard. Why does an attraction to Shepard have to automatically label someone as bisexual? Shepard has a strong enough personality that people can't help but follow him/her. So does gender have to even come in to this at all?
Straight girls have girl crushes, and men can say they have man crushes. Love is love no matter what gender.

It shouldn't be that big of surprise, then, if everyone is romanceable by Shepard.

So I wouldn't mind if Shepard said something like, "Why didn't you tell me before?"
And Kaidan gave the explanation of not going for something unless it was certain and then saying "It's only you."
Hell, I wish he would say that to femShep too. <3

FireEye wrote...

Poorly written? Yeah, it could be poorly written. But Kaidan's writer is gone to Dragon Age, and his supplementary writers are gone from the company and gone to TOR. "I didn't realize I liked men," is the least of my worries for Kaidan being poorly written at this point.

I didn't know this....

Edit: Maybe we should storm Bioware and write Kaidan ourselves.

Modifié par Caseshep, 28 août 2011 - 05:58 .

[Greer]

Chylise wrote...

FireEye wrote...

I'd bring up RL examples, but I don't wanna drag people's experiences into this without their consent. Suffice it to say, in my experience, people do go from only liking one to only liking the other, don't realize they like [x] until later in life, and only fall for one gendered type of a given sex, or simply one person. Although some is more likely in a persons-per-population graft than others, none of that is unrealistic to me.

Poorly written? Yeah, it could be poorly written. But Kaidan's writer is gone to Dragon Age, and his supplementary writers are gone from the company and gone to TOR. "I didn't realize I liked men," is the least of my worries for Kaidan being poorly written at this point.

Hi FireEye! We were talking about your fun screenies earlier. 

I don't disagree with anything you've said, that's why we humans are so unique, to say the least. I guess it all boils down to a person's character to determine if it seems unrealistic or not.

Kaidan's writer went to DA? Who was it, and who's writing for him now (and should we be afraid?)

Kaidan's writer was Lukas Kristjanson (who wrote Aveline and Carver over in DA2). Ash's writer is also gone from the company. Like FireEye, Kaidan's sexuality and any handling thereof if they change it is really the least of my concerns in regards to him.