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[syllogi]

Lukas Kristjanson worked on both ME2 and DA2, and before that I know he wrote for ME1 and bounced on over to DA:O. It's still possible that he's working on ME3.

I personally have always gone with "if the writing is good, everything will be okay." Everyone has a different experience of sexuality, and I would not ever want to take away from anyone else's because my own is unlike theirs. If the writing is good, they'll be able to pull off brand new romances with older characters like Kaidan, Ashley, or Joker, whether it's hetero or s/s.

If not, I'll be sad, but I have faith at this point.

Anyways, have some new art:



by Kyle the Artist

[Criz]

my first reaction was 'hell yeah, let's do that!"
but would you really want that responsibility?

[Fault Girl]

That's why I must have loved Aveline, had no idea it was the same writer. I hope he has worked on Kaidan in some way even if it's just direction.

As many of you guys know I have no issue with s/s as long as it's implemented well. Not going to affect my game what so ever!

Going to boot up KotOR in a bit. Had a long exhausting weekend of work, damn retail. *cries*

I also need to buy a sketchbook and start drawing again, got to have something to show for my education. *sigh* Obviously Kaidan themed.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 28 août 2011 - 06:11 .

[Gilsa]

Oh, HEY, I didn't realize that Lukas Kristjanson wrote Kaidan!! I knew that he wrote Jacob for ME2 and Aveline, who is my most favorite character in DA2 (along with Varric). I was really impressed with Lukas being a good sport over the razzing he's gotten for writing Jacob, which is why ONE DAY when I have time, I will import a Jacob romance over, too. Knowing that he's also responsible for Kaidan just ramped up my enthusiasm for making extra playthroughs (game is too long as is and I already have my canon so it can be hard to find the motivation).

Modifié par Gilsa, 28 août 2011 - 06:28 .

[Hotaru29]

Wow, I'll have to stay on the look-out for more characters of his writer, because I certainly loved Aveline and Carver. They were almost "minor" companions in DA2 but still awesome = D

[Ellyria]

Criz-Zone wrote...

my first reaction was 'hell yeah, let's do that!"
but would you really want that responsibility?

Responsibility?! Run for you lives! 

I'd rather stick with fanfiction, if I were going to write. If people don't like it, I can say it's my interpretation and they can go suck an egg.  (Not that I would ever make Kaidan OOC, then he wouldn't be Kaidan anymore. )

I'm not going to use S/S, but for the people that are, I hope it's done well for them. But now at this point if the original writer isn't going to be writing Kaidan anymore, I fear for us all.

Also: Carver?! I love Carver!  It's too bad I prefer playing a warrior over a mage, because I like Carver more than Bethany.

[meonlyred]

My two cent: I honestly don't give a fly fornication if we find out Kaidan will be s/s in ME3, its not my game if he is. I always play FemShep. But I have several concerns on how it might be handled. Bad writing is a major one. However, my biggest and most out standing concern is that there would have to be 3 different ways to romance (in the eyes of Bioware) an unpopular character.

Let me explain it this way, I played ME1 when it first came out. Got it on the day of release. Played a female Commmander Shepard and romanced Kaidan right off the bat. My character has been with Kaidan for years. (So to speak) ME2 came out and my character's LI is barely in the game for 10 minutes. All 3 of those scenes are brutal. First the Normandy attack, then him getting strung, finally THAT scene, after that nothing else. No DLC, and only mentioned in LftSB if you renegade while talking to Liara. (Not really what I want my Shepard to say about the man she loves) To say I'm counting on a epic, tearful, highly emotional reunion is putting it mildly. However, there is a problem with Bioware putting to much time, money, energy into a character who is already sharing time, money, energy with another character. IF this is the direction Bioware decides to go it will mean Kaidan will have a new romance with a ManShep, a new unromanced FemShep, and a FemShep that has already romanced him. Three different sets of dialogue will have to be written and voiced: 2 for the fresh romances. "You are a great woman" "You are a great man" etc. and one of the previous romance. I'm very concerned that none of these will be handled right because of the dismissal of this character.

If s/s means cutting down things that are already canon then no, I do not want s/s for Kaidan. If Bioware and the writers can find a way to make all 3 romantic options feel unique and special then I say go for it.

[shepskisaac]

Greer wrote...
Kaidan's writer was Lukas Kristjanson (who wrote Aveline and Carver over in DA2). Ash's writer is also gone from the company. Like FireEye, Kaidan's sexuality and any handling thereof if they change it is really the least of my concerns in regards to him.

Ohh I didn't know that Thanks for the info!

Not sure how I feel about his writer no longer working on ME. On side it's a bad news considering that well, he wrote him and is most likely the main reason why I love the character of Kaidan. At the same time, is it a coincidence both Kaidan & Jacob were not 'presented' that well which is a big part why many people think they're "boring"?

[mya11]

meonlyred wrote...

My two cent: I honestly don't give a fly fornication if we find out Kaidan will be s/s in ME3, its not my game if he is. I always play FemShep. But I have several concerns on how it might be handled. Bad writing is a major one. However, my biggest and most out standing concern is that there would have to be 3 different ways to romance (in the eyes of Bioware) an unpopular character.

Let me explain it this way, I played ME1 when it first came out. Got it on the day of release. Played a female Commmander Shepard and romanced Kaidan right off the bat. My character has been with Kaidan for years. (So to speak) ME2 came out and my character's LI is barely in the game for 10 minutes. All 3 of those scenes are brutal. First the Normandy attack, then him getting strung, finally THAT scene, after that nothing else. No DLC, and only mentioned in LftSB if you renegade while talking to Liara. (Not really what I want my Shepard to say about the man she loves) To say I'm counting on a epic, tearful, highly emotional reunion is putting it mildly. However, there is a problem with Bioware putting to much time, money, energy into a character who is already sharing time, money, energy with another character. IF this is the direction Bioware decides to go it will mean Kaidan will have a new romance with a ManShep, a new unromanced FemShep, and a FemShep that has already romanced him. Three different sets of dialogue will have to be written and voiced: 2 for the fresh romances. "You are a great woman" "You are a great man" etc. and one of the previous romance. I'm very concerned that none of these will be handled right because of the dismissal of this character.

If s/s means cutting down things that are already canon then no, I do not want s/s for Kaidan. If Bioware and the writers can find a way to make all 3 romantic options feel unique and special then I say go for it.

I agree with you I hope Bioware is writting good scenario for Kaidan

[FireEye]

Chylise wrote...
Hi FireEye! We were talking about your fun screenies earlier. 

Re: Kaidan's Writer

As mentioned, Kristjanson wrote Kaidan for ME1, with, according to him, some additions from L'Etoile and Karpyshyn.  I don't know if he wrote for Horizon or the intro, and I didn't think he was coming back for ME3 (at least, I didn't hear anything that led me to believe he would), but since he's still with BioWare, I guess it could be possible.  According to Cookie Everman (an editor, who I thought was still on board as of ME2), Kaidan was also bounced off her, and she really liked him and gave a lot of input.

I suspected that Weekes would get saddled with Kaidan and Ashley, since he's gone on record saying he likes Kaidan and Ashley, but if they're "a big part of the story," I wouldn't be surprised if they were a collaborative effort or if Walters took them on personally.  (I didn't enjoy a lot of Walters' characters or story arcs that were attributed to him, and the thing he had to look up in the wiki he arguably got wrong and based an entire comic off of, so that doesn't give me much hope.)

Also, they could try to badass him up (to make people like him more) as was hinted by the "he looked about 115lbs in ME1, which is why people didn't like him, which is why we've revamped his look," thing. 

... and this is why I shouldn't talk ME3.  Have this Kaidan:



XD

Modifié par FireEye, 28 août 2011 - 06:39 .

[shepskisaac]

FireEye wrote...
Also, they could try to badass him up (to make people like him more) as was hinted by the "he looked about 115lbs in ME1, which is why people didn't like him, which is why we've revamped his look," thing. 

Who and where said it Fire? Also, someone mentioned BW hating on Kaidan in some podcast before ME2 was released, is it true?

[FireEye]

The "115lbs" thing was a quote attributed to ... psh... Derek Watts, I think? by a magazine during the initial ME3 announcement coverage (or right after).  He also said that the original character artists were designing the new looks, so it was more of a "natural evolution of their character" rather than a redesign.

"Nobody likes Kaidan" was attributed to Chris Priestly during a live podcast (I want to say it had something to do with the Superbowl, but I don't remember the details), who, when confronted by one of the KAST some while later, said he didn't remember ever saying that, but that Kaidan was the least romanced character in Mass Effect.  I think he also mentioned a varient of the "it's okay! we know he has a small dedicated fanbase!" thing. 

[Time4Tiddy]

jeweledleah wrote...

I would disagree about ME being a place where its impossible to figure out your sexual orientation young. after all - its supposed to be our world's future and our world is not exactly silent.

Actually this is a pretty unfounded assumption.  I don't mean that as a personal attack, but you're talking about a galaxy in which we don't even see ONE example of male/male attraction.  Even those strip clubs are full of human women and female "appearing" Asari.  Not one male stripper.  Not one male in the consort's employ.  

You can try to extrapolate that 100ish years in the future we'll be a completely liberated society in which all love is respected, but reality is there have been times in humanity's past that were MUCH more accepting of homosexuality than modern times, in fact, some of the most accepting societies were thousands of years in our past, and yet today we struggle for equal rights and many people are afraid to come out for fear of discrimination or, in some countries, even death.

We've been given absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support a more liberal humanity in the ME's future.  If anything, the fact that we don't see a single male/male couple or even flirtation implies that the future is more restrictive, not less. 

[Jenova65]

Chylise wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

my first reaction was 'hell yeah, let's do that!"
but would you really want that responsibility?

Responsibility?! Run for you lives! 

I'd rather stick with fanfiction, if I were going to write. If people don't like it, I can say it's my interpretation and they can go suck an egg.  (Not that I would ever make Kaidan OOC, then he wouldn't be Kaidan anymore. )

I'm not going to use S/S, but for the people that are, I hope it's done well for them. But now at this point if the original writer isn't going to be writing Kaidan anymore, I fear for us all.

Also: Carver?! I love Carver!  It's too bad I prefer playing a warrior over a mage, because I like Carver more than Bethany.

I play rogue, with the odd mage thrown in, in DA:O but I play out of my comfort zone as mage in DA II only to have Carver over Bethany, it irritates me greatly that I have to play only one class to get Carver in my party........ 
I'm glad it never worked that way in ME as I play sentinel with the odd infiltrator..... <_<

[FireEye]

[Pax of Doom]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

You can try to extrapolate that 100ish years in the future we'll be a completely liberated society in which all love is respected, but reality is there have been times in humanity's past that were MUCH more accepting of homosexuality than modern times, in fact, some of the most accepting societies were thousands of years in our past, and yet today we struggle for equal rights and many people are afraid to come out for fear of discrimination or, in some countries, even death.

We've been given absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support a more liberal humanity in the ME's future.  If anything, the fact that we don't see a single male/male couple or even flirtation implies that the future is more restrictive, not less. 

Funny you bring up the strip clubs not having any males.  Notice how everything with any sexuality is straight-male oriented?  Scantily clad women, women space-****s, plenty of femShep/f opportunities.  If ME wanted to present a real view of an egalitarian future, then there would be all of these with men - seducitively-dressed men, men space-****s.  Or at the very least, have someone Harkin-like commenting on Sheploo's tight fitting armor.

Hope this doesn't come across as a feminist rant - it's more of a pro-smutify everyone equally diatribe.

At least Ashley ribs Kaidan on his "quite the view" comment in Chora's Den. 

[FireEye]

So...

someone refresh my memory...

Kaidan has medic barks in ME1?  "Patching you up!" and so on.

...because he's been using them, and I swear I've never heard them before, and I don't know whether it's because I'm using the Kaidan-as-Shep or if I just hadn't heard him saying it before. 

(They're, erm... kinda cute is all.  )

[Geirahod]

IsaacShep wrote...

Greer wrote...
Kaidan's writer was Lukas Kristjanson (who wrote Aveline and Carver over in DA2). Ash's writer is also gone from the company. Like FireEye, Kaidan's sexuality and any handling thereof if they change it is really the least of my concerns in regards to him.

Ohh I didn't know that Thanks for the info!

Not sure how I feel about his writer no longer working on ME. On side it's a bad news considering that well, he wrote him and is most likely the main reason why I love the character of Kaidan. At the same time, is it a coincidence both Kaidan & Jacob were not 'presented' that well which is a big part why many people think they're "boring"?

I think both characters are very mature, Jacob is ok with all the things that happened with his father....so yeah, I think that maybe, most of the fandom of Mass Effect, really loves characters mentally unstables (because they can take advantage of those characters) that or the fandom is a bunch of emos and losers that hate mature characters just because they can't be that way.


Besides, Jacob, Thane and Jack are the only squadmates that wants something more than sex with Shepard, for one reason or another....the rest is only "sexsexsex"...


At any case, I'm fond of Kaidan and Thane romances.... and Jack romance for maleShep...

Modifié par Geirahod, 28 août 2011 - 09:07 .

[lietk12]

Pax of Doom wrote...
Notice how everything with any sexuality is straight-male oriented?

At least Kasumi was able to, erm, "appreciate" Jacob (but that was just one of a few exceptions, unfortunately).

But yeah, the ME universe would be nicer if it had better have equal-opportunity objectification for everyone!

Speaking of Kasumi, she was my favorite female in ME2 because she seemed so normal compared to the rest of the squadmates. Her main-mission-series dialogues made her very sane and relatable (ramen!).

That's also why I loved Kaidan as a LI.

Modifié par lietk12, 28 août 2011 - 09:16 .

[Criz]

given my utter distaste for alcohol I project that onto my Shepard and I hate the instances where you kind of have to drink to get a certain outcome (Chakwas comes to mind, but also getting drugged by the batarian), so the 'let's spill some drinks comment' doesn't sit well with me, but that's just a personal issue.

I think my main issue with Jacob isn't even what he says, but how ...
and it's not even the voice itself but the attitude that comes with it

[Pax of Doom]

lietk12 wrote...
At least Kasumi was able to, erm, "appreciate" Jacob (but that was just one of a few exceptions, unfortunately).

But yeah, the ME universe would be nicer if it had better have equal-opportunity objectification for everyone!

Speaking of Kasumi, she was my favorite female in ME2 because she seemed so normal compared to the rest of the squadmates. Her main-mission-series dialogues made her very sane and relatable (ramen!).

That's also why I loved Kaidan as a LI.

Haha, yes!  Kasumi was awesome, loved her.  She is definitely on my ME2 A-team.  My canon Shep would encourage her to pursue Jacob, even though she misses Keiji. Kasumi has Keiji's memories, but Keiji is dead; Shepard has memories of Kaidan, but he's alive and Shepard believes there's always a way.

[FireEye]

XD



Kaiden: "So anyway, it was the damnest thing..."
Kaidan: "I don't want to know."

[shepskisaac]

So, which one's Kaidan, which one's Kaiden and which one's Casey?

[Pax of Doom]

IsaacShep wrote...

So, which one's Kaidan, which one's Kaiden and which one's Casey?

Going left to right:  Kaidan, Kaiden, Casey.  See how the guy on the right is trying to cover his face?  That sneaky BW developer...

[llandwynwyn]

*delurking*

I knew he did Jacob and the DA2 characters but...

Gilsa wrote...

I was really impressed with Lukas being a good sport over the razzing he's gotten for writing Jacob,....

He wrote Grunt and Joker, too!