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[NRieh]

In the meantime I present to you guys, Shepard's idea for a date:

First...if that's the date...would they need Ash?

Second...If that's the Coup (which this verly likely is) and both Kaidan and Ash are in "gibbed" hacked squad...What will happen at the elevator? 0_o

edit: I love the first gif. I know it can not happen. But how he takes drive asap...*sigh* Evil BW, I'm almost eager to see leviathan...and that's when my Kaidan ME withdrawal was almost complete...  

Modifié par Nrieh, 13 août 2012 - 09:56 .

[laikabaws]

@Nrieh Ash is a ghost chaperone (kidding, kidding)  Also, lol at Kaidan's pained expression. He's like: "Shepard! Why you do this?!" :crying:

I don't know; haven't tried it :'D

This hurts me 


Pink Kaidan butt 

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 10:13 .

[Doodle]

Beep Il wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
HA

now i go...

back to sleep

Huh? Back to sleep? Did you set an alarm which rings if I post something?

no, had a bad nights sleep

[Beep Il]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
no, had a bad nights sleep

Aww...
*Gives the daily cookie*

I was just about to go to play FFX... I Guess I'm not now.

[Mimitochan]

@laika > about Garrus vs. Kaidan romances, i think this says it all ">>Well, at least Kaidan's got a better sexytimes cutscene than that awful fade-to-black from Garrus'."

They tried to make up for one that which lacked from the other.
Also, I always felt that Garrus romance targeted a different audience than that of Kaidan. I'm a mature woman, and if an immersive RPG game (i'm talking about ME1 of course) gives me the opportunity to romance a human guy like perfect Kaidan, it would just never cross my mind to experience any type of romantic interaction with an alien character that looks like a cross between a cricket and a Komodo dragon, be it Garrus.
But then i have NO idea about Garrus' arc, lines and so on, i'd be curious to know more about the lines you're describing here, there's probably good vids out there, i'm just too lazy to search. The little i saw from ME2 though... awkward. That "tamagochi time" at the cabin felt ghastly, thank god Kaidan wasn't available there!

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 10:41 .

[NRieh]

This hurts me

Someone played with ME2 opening models? I thought they were alll prerendered...And I don't remember kiss in helmets...

Also, lol at Kaidan's pained expression. He's like: "Shepard! Why you do this?!"

Seatbelts. Why not try to use those, I wonder?.. 8E

[laikabaws]

Mimitochan wrote...

@laika > about Garrus vs. Kaidan romances, i think this says it all ">>Well, at least Kaidan's got a better sexytimes cutscene than that awful fade-to-black from Garrus'."

They tried to make up for one that which lacked from the other.
Also, I always felt that Garrus romance targeted a different audience than that of Kaidan. I'm a mature woman, and if an immersive RPG game (i'm talking about ME1 of course) gives me the opportunity to romance a human guy like perfect Kaidan, it would just never cross my mind to experience any type of romantic interaction with an alien character that looks like a cross between a cricket and a Komodo dragon, be it Garrus.
But then i have NO idea about Garrus' arc, lines and so on, i'd be curious to know more about the lines you're describing here, there's probably good vids out there, i'm just too lazy to search. The little i saw from ME2 though... awkward. That "tamagochi time" at the cabin felt ghastly, thank god Kaidan wasn't available there!

@Mimi lol Kaidan sexytimes trumps them all:wizard:
You got a point there. ME1 Kaidan is fantastic! As for ME2 Garrus, most of my Sheps are not the type to jump someone that way. I have a problem with that "cheating" Shepard's way of...err showing her affections. For Garrus' awkward thing going on in ME2, I completely understand (with the way Shep jumps him, and being a turian in general). I just love how smooth and suave he seems as a bro, but romance is a different thing entirely for him it seems (and wanting things perfect for someone you care about the most is sweet). Can you explain the "tamagotchi time" haha?

But Garrus in ME3 is a different thing entirely. While I don't have exact lines because I'm not as obsessed of Garrus as I am with Kaidan, his romance is really apparent. It's there in all his cutscenes and spread out. No after the Citadel date romance gap. There's also these little touches they have with each other (shoulder, back, face, hands). Garrus is always like "Are you okay? Is something bothering you? I'm always here, you can vent. You seem a little worn out--I can see it in your face, what's the matter? Take a break, I'll take care of the other things for you, etc." The kicker is, Shepard also does these things, touching him, asking what's the matter and reassuring Garrus that "It'll be okay." The only time Kaidan's romance is ascertained is Shepard's "Are you flirting with me" and Kaidan's "Wake me" (which is not even a cutscene). While those are welcome, I would want more of the reassuring, touchy Kaidan (and more romance specific cutscenes as Garrus), especially during Shepard's rough moments (Thessia, I'm looking at you). 

Edit: And it's not as blatant either. During a certain cutscene, it runs like the unromanced, but halfway there's just a bit of... 
Garrus: "How about you, are you okay?"
Shepard: "It's hard, but we can do it. Thanks for caring."
Then, the cutscene goes on like the unromanced one. It's just subtly sprinkled romance. Their conversations don't necessarily revolve around romance.

@Nrieh His hands are...busy 

Kaidan: Shepard, let me take care of those Reapers for you 

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 10:45 .

[Mimitochan]

I'll just post this here instead >>>

EDIT> what i meant, too, is that, although i would have really LOVED to see more signs of affection towards my Shep from Kaidan in ME3, it feels also a lot more realistic that way, and it leaves you extra space for you to headcanon the missing parts - I still wanted proper reunion though!!!!
From my experience, most boys and men don't express their feelings with words, they rather do things. Again, i don't exactly know what kind of lines we're talking about from Garrus, but i'm just OK with Kaidan not expressing his feelings too much. Plus it fits my headcanon relationship. That "I'm the luckiest man alive" bit, if it had been in any other context than "tomorrow we will all die", it may have annoyed me a little actually. But... eh... i can't resist anything Kaidan.

EDIT again > oooh, but i'm absolutely OK with other crew members acknowledging the relationship more, it would have been great!!! Or talking about Kaidan with other characters, like with Chakwas as i expected...

Also, i think it was too much work for BW, Kaidan has become too complicated a LI to handle, too many combinations to custom his romance features! mShep, fShep, not romanced, faithful, and so on, making him "neutral" was the easiest way out. On the contrary, i think handling Garrus romance arc for BW was more simple > i think you can't start romancing him from ME3, or am i wrong?

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 11:06 .

[laikabaws]

@Mimi It's okay haha.
While I do headcanon, I'm not much a fan of it as an excuse for plotholes (just my opinion). And I reiterate my edit above, the Garrus romance is not overly and sickenly sappy. There are just hints that he cares, and that Shepard cares all throughout.

About too much work, Ashley (m!shep only) while supposedly simple, didn't get the Garrus treatment either (Tali [m!Shep only, ME2 romanceable only, acquired late, only one cutscene in the Normandy] too maybe). What more of the ME2 characters that got shafted (lol poor Thane and Jacob). Just wishing for equal Kaidan cutscenes with romance hints or not at least (same Garrus treatment). You're right about the Garrus romance only starting in ME2 though.

@Nrieh For the kiss in helmets...just a nicely timed screenshot:wizard:

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[Mimitochan]

Thanks for explaining (i read the edited part). What you're describing just feels like marriage, ahah.

When i meant "awkward", i didn't really mean Garrus being awkward, i meant I felt awkward as a player ;P - although poor Garrus is awkward alright. Of course, to my Shep, Garrus is a bro, so it's awkward headcanon-wise, but it also felt awkward to me, especially the physical part, i just couldn't picture that in my mind without seeing it as some kind of joke.

What i call tamagochi time is what i've seen from ME2 romance vids. Obviously, never had any kind of romantic interactions myself, so maybe i got wrong ideas, but there's this LI character that you can invite to your cabin and then you've got different options to cuddle, or other stuff - don't remember well. And then you've got Shep & LI cuddling on the bed and then fade to black. It just felt to me like some kind of LI pet time > thus the tamagochi thing.

What's really really interesting in what you're describing is that not only does Garrus seem to care more about Shep, but Shep too about Garrus!!! It may be because of my headcanon, but Shep is always rather relunctant to show any feelings towards Kaidan, you don't have too many options to show any signs of affection, or to tell him romantic things (wait, this is ME3, i don't HAVE options).

So I guess that's what's different between Garrus and Kaidan romances, is not only the romanced character, but mainly the relationship itself. I guess that femShep just choose whatever relationship suits her better.

EDIT> and i didn't even answer your date question yet...

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 11:34 .

[Doodle]

Beep Il wrote...

Aww...
*Gives the daily cookie*

I was just about to go to play FFX... I Guess I'm not now.

woo a hour late

[laikabaws]

I have ex-boyfriends that do those reassuring things (and guy friends even) when I have problems (doesn't feel like marriage)...but maybe it's a culture thing I dunno haha.

About the awkwardness for the player, I understand. I got put off at first (when I didn't know much about ME back then) like "What?! He's the alien romance for ME2? Why does Liara look like a blue human, but we F!Sheps get a birdman?" But I guess I "cheated" on Kaidan with that specific Shepard because of Garrus' personality than looks, at least in the ME-universe where turians are a normal species (other than being curious at what the fuss was about, being the most popular F!Shep romance). But Kaidan still trumps Garrus for me because I also consider Garrus more of a bro (6/7 of my Shepards romance him lol).

Oh! Yeah now I get that tamagotchi reference haha.

Yup! Interesting indeed! I also miss that Shepard care for Kaidan from ME1 (like that "Kaidan, you've got a dark raincloud over your head. What's the matter?" sort of line from Shepard). They banter together than just...auto-dialogue it out too. (I most especially love that "Careful, you might distract me from saving the galaxy" line from Shepard)

Kaidan date ideas gimme gimme~~~

@Nrieh I also believe that seatbelts just don't cut it with Shepard's driving 

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 11:25 .

[Beep Il]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
woo a hour late

It's never too late to grab the cookie.

[Mimitochan]

Ahah @laika, nope, not a cultural thing, just a Mimi thing i think ;P

Ahah, "birdman", that's a good one, why a bird?? I mean i could say, insect, reptile, catfish even, but bird??? Ah you mean the thing he's got on top of his head??

Sigh... don't make me think about ME1 Kaidan too much. You're absolutely right, Shep & Kaidan could show there that they cared about each other without sounding too caricatural, it just felt so real, right? Just the right amount of attention imo, and you had choices too! Shades of emotions... I had absolutely forgotten about Kaidan saying "You'll make me blush" until i saw your gif, good times indeed...

It's just that i just don't get how Garrus can be more popular than Kaidan with straight female players, it just amazes me, but then, i'm proudly biaised ;P

Unlike you, i only have one Shep. I agree with you, i'm not much a fan of headcanoning, but it's obvious that even if we all play the same game, there are still elements that we personnaly inject in this. So i can't picture my Shep having a ME2 LI. But if i had to choose, i think i'd go for Thane, it'd feel more natural.

EDIT> yes i know what you meant, me too, i just want more Kaidan all the time, but at the current moment, i'd rather just have as-it-is Kaidan than more Kaidan that would disappoint me, or make me angry or whatever, if that makes sense.

Will you just look at him?



Kaidan? I was kidding there, i don't want a toad, i want you.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[NRieh]

On the contrary, i think Garrus is more simple > i think you can't start romancing him from ME3, or am i wrong?

You are right. Which, actually, brings just a little more people into Kaidan's haters camp. He is the _only_ option for straight non-import femShep. I don't really care if someone dislikes Alenko, but I'm sorry for their lack of choice. They don't even have Garrus...which can hardly be considered a straight option, but still - he exists for ME2 import or save-edit.

I've seen most of Garrus ME2 vids, and I think that romance was initially made "fofun", I mean..take a look at Modrin's helpful advices..

I have no idea how he is in ME3 though. I know from writer's talks that they were going to focus more on platonic feelings, than on something romantic here. From what I've seen - they "humanized" Tali much-much more.

Would I like to see some more of "private" Kaidan? Absolutely yes.
I'm not sure that I need more "acknowledging" from crew, though. I don't see Liara or Tali talking to Kaidan about Shepard (or making some joke to Shepard about her relations with major). Even for Joker - it's slightly out of line.

I'm pretty sure that since ME1 many of crew were aware of what's going on, just because ship has some sort of magic, where information exists no matter if you share it or not. So - that's not a secret, but that does not make it a good subject for discussions and gossips. And I bet Alenko even could get angry if someone tried to make jokes on this subject in his presence. All calm and polite, but he'd let them know that it's not a good idea to do so.

[Doodle]

Beep Il wrote...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...
woo a hour late

It's never too late to grab the cookie.

then i'll grab it later

[laikabaws]

Ah! I understand that edit. Same feelings with why I won't pre-order DA3...Bioware trust issues haha. But I'm more likely to buy that Leviathan DLC if it has more Kaidan (Bioware already got me hooked with Kaidan's existence lol).

He looked like a birdman to me in that headshot photo of his in the wikia page when I was wondering about the next Bioware game I'll play hahaha. I guess...it's his beak thing going on with his mouth. First impression of his appearance by silly me, I'm sorry haha.

Yup, I'm really stoked for that ME1 playthrough~

About the Appeal of Garrus other than Just Preference (A THEORY):
-there are people who like their boyfriends to come from bestfriends. Garrus being the closest thing to a bestfriend for Shep...
-very witty, snarky, cool (total bro ideal--which I see him as)
-that voice (yeah, it is...that croon, although I like Kaidan's the most lol)
-he's really supportive of Shep (see ME3)
-his awkwardness for the romance is cute and sweet
-the way he was written (some of his romance lines in ME3 equate to manly tears)
-he was always there for Shep! ALWAYS!!! (I don't necessarily agree with this, but this is the reason most Shakarian fans rationalize that their pairing is better)
-that Horizon incident (I do agree with Kaidan's reaction and I understand why Shep spouted those silly lines, but most people see it as "OMG WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE SHEP?! YOU DON'T LOVE HER ENOUGH!!!!")
>>last two reasons suck, but I've seen them
>>other Garrus lovers, please inform us

As for Thane, I was tempted to romance him. But after reading that artbook about him being specifically tailored for women to romance creeped me out, and ironically Garrus is more popular (just my opinion for Thane). And it's just me, but it felt awkward when Shep suddenly jumps him after him telling Shep about his dead wife lol. I headcanon though that he crushes (maybe subconsciously) on Shep regardless (calls every Shep siha despite not being romanced).

[AshTheBrave]

Mimitochan wrote...

Actually, please don't shoot me, i don't feel Kaidan makes visually a good match with ShepLoo. Default femShep i don't really know because i haven't seen a lot of art / captures with the both of them, and anyway, default femShep is yet another problem cause she looks so much like a piece of plastic compared to ShepLoo.

I actually love default femshep. I find it pretty hard to find pictures of her with Kaidan. It's a pretty big squeefest when I do. I'm actually probably more excited to find pics of her than Kaidan. Sadlly I find her a lot more in....other pairings and I've had to resort to collecting those. 

I also love Sheploo and Kaidan more than custom ones. Might just be because most here seem to use Sheploo so I'm used to it. I just wish he had more hair.

Modifié par AshTheBrave, 13 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[laikabaws]

I love Sheploo with Kaidan. It induces...feelings :'D

Ahem, to elaborate. I'm not used to custom M!Sheps. I like Sheploo's eyes (BLUE and they say a lot) and Mark Meer's voice suits that face the most for me. Sheploo looks most real too...and they just look good together.

As for default F!Shep, I wish she looked like her artwork more to appreciate her with Kaidan...

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 12:13 .

[Mimitochan]

Nrieh wrote...
And I bet Alenko even could get angry if someone tried to make jokes on this subject in his presence. All calm and polite, but he'd let them know that it's not a good idea to do so.

I was thinking just small banter now and then, you know, just hinting at this, and not especially from Alliance crew, because i agree it would be out of line. But i totally expected this from tipsy Chakwas for instance, when she was talking about Jenkins and she says "and then Alenko", i was just too happy to just hear his name from somebody else.

But that part there, i'm sorry, i would so want to see THIS ))

[NRieh]

As for default F!Shep, I wish she looked like her artwork more to appreciate her with Kaidan...

I don't know. I can't stomach default femshep. She did not even have same face in 3 games. Making a new face for existing main character in 3rd game..was a strange move...But on the other hand - they could not put femshep v.ME1 on a cover. She's not sexy enough for that. And they needed some icon that could compare to sheploo...

@Nrieh For the kiss in helmets...just a nicely timed screenshot

 
But there's a hand on a shoulder...why don't I remember placing anyone hands on shoulders?... I need fresh 1-3 run, yeah, I know. So I won't even YT this scene...

Modifié par Nrieh, 13 août 2012 - 12:29 .

[laikabaws]

@Nrieh I wish they've come up with a facemodel for default F!Shep actually to match with Sheploo if they needed to change her appearance from ME1 (but I'd take the artwork than her in-game...she looks weird in-game).

Modifié par laikabaws, 13 août 2012 - 12:30 .

[Mimitochan]

@laika > "Shakarians"? Ahah, i didn't know that's how they're called, i certainly hope there isn't any kind of "contest" out there about whose pairing is better????? ... Is there one??? I appreciate you making comparisions between both romances, and i'm happy to discuss, but actually argueing about which one is best, that's a whole other matter...

Well, about the bestfriend kind of BF, i've had that, when i was younger. That's why i say target audiences are different. I certainly expect / project different things from a relationship now than when i was 18 or even 25. AND there are personal preferences involved from every individual of course. That Horizon bit, not meaning to sound like this boring all knowing experienced dinosaur, but that's exactly how RL relationships can actually turn out. When i was younger, i had all those fluffly idealistic ideas about what love is, as coming straight out from a perfect romantic movie. Kaidan's reaction from Horizon, although it broke my Shep's heart, feels real, and very understandable. I'm just pissed at BW because they just tricked me into buying ME3.

@AshtheBrave > are you using default femShep? Why don't you make more screenshots and so on yourself? Don't mind me saying that too (about her looking like a piece of palstic), i'm just this crazy perfectionist person when it comes to looks and visuals.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 12:54 .

[dstrawberrygirl]

laikabaws wrote...

About the Appeal of Garrus other than Just Preference (A THEORY):
-there are people who like their boyfriends to come from bestfriends. Garrus being the closest thing to a bestfriend for Shep...
-very witty, snarky, cool (total bro ideal--which I see him as)
-that voice (yeah, it is...that croon, although I like Kaidan's the most lol)
-he's really supportive of Shep (see ME3)
-his awkwardness for the romance is cute and sweet
-the way he was written (some of his romance lines in ME3 equate to manly tears)
-he was always there for Shep! ALWAYS!!! (I don't necessarily agree with this, but this is the reason most Shakarian fans rationalize that their pairing is better)
-that Horizon incident (I do agree with Kaidan's reaction and I understand why Shep spouted those silly lines, but most people see it as "OMG WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE SHEP?! YOU DON'T LOVE HER ENOUGH!!!!")
>>last two reasons suck, but I've seen them
>>other Garrus lovers, please inform us

Pretty much all of that - the ME3 Garrus romance was absolutely wonderful. I initially paired up my Renegon with him (who had not romanced anyone in ME1 but kept Kaidan alive) and it was sweet, like two trusting friends who were always there for each other. With Kaidan, it's Romance, capital R, violins, melodrama, misunderstandings and makeups, then a big final scene. I wish there were more balance to Kaidan romance to bring it to a similar level.

[Mimitochan]

EDIT> ok, ok, be right there...




 Sorry Doodle, i mostly have blue armoured Kaidan screenshots



OK, OK, i'll admit it, i like it when you say "i've always loved you", maybe you could have added a little something in there about Horizon, but that's OK.




Awkward Kaidan from "the View".



Yes Kaidan, we're talking about YOU.

http://kawaiidanalen...ost/29294337093

@Strawberry > i agree with you, about the big R thing, but only from ME3, and i can't help but picturing Kaidan romance arc on the overall, from 1 to 3. Although i HATED those violins from ME3 sexy times.

laikabaws wrote...

As for Thane, I was tempted to romance him. But after reading that artbook about him being specifically tailored for women to romance creeped me out, and ironically Garrus is more popular (just my opinion for Thane). And it's just me, but it felt awkward when Shep suddenly jumps him after him telling Shep about his dead wife lol. I headcanon though that he crushes (maybe subconsciously) on Shep regardless (calls every Shep siha despite not being romanced).

Yeah, i read that somewhere, what did the artbook say exactly?
You know, that toad comment i wrote, it reminds that when i first met Thane (i hadn't seen ANY promotional content, i wasn't even aware he was on the game box cause he's hardly recognizable), i thought, hey, that's the froggie! ... I mean, he looks a bit like a batracian, AND he felt... french to me! The way he moves, his outfit, i don't know

About Shep hitting on him, well, i thought Thane was the one hitting on my Shep, we were discussing about vivid memories, and then all of a sudden, he goes talking in details about frenckiss to my Shep! I don't remember any specific romantic intent from my Shep before that. And i can't believe Thane was doing this as candidly as that.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 13 août 2012 - 02:43 .