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[Mimitochan]

Beep Il wrote...
Also, haven't played FemShep, so QUESTION.
How does the evac scene ruin the London goodbye scene? Aren't those scenes identical for BroShep?

Well i speak for myself mainly, i think ofther femShep players don't mind at all.

mShep + Kaidan >  (hehe, had never seen this, Kaidan is just so lovely all the time )
femShep + Kaidan >

I feel like those goodbyes are final.
- When this is over, you'd better show up.
- Don't get me wrong, i'm going to fight like hell for a chance to hold you again.
- I can't lose you again.

When you say goodbye, well, it's goodbye, not see you later in the EC
These dialogue lines felt like some kind of omen, for me, this was the last of Shenko that we got to play before the cataclysmic ending. As I said, I felt this was particularly well written, actually, i feel this scene is perfect, but also perfect as a final Shenko scene. They say goodbye to each other, but you as a player tell them goodbye too!
So this was a very emotional moment for me.

With the EC, since you've got an extra scene, which on a side note is totally absurd AND absolutely identical no matter who your LI is, i feel it ruins the value and intensity of London.

I'd probably feel the same for the London mShep scene, but most mShep players say they love that the two of them get to say ILY from EC, that EC exactly gave them what they had missed from the pre-EC game.
So that's why i said it ruined it for femShep, as I feel mSheps think exactly the other way around, that the romance wouldn't feel complete without EC.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 août 2012 - 07:38 .

[lindtchoco]

I am doing a MSheo playthrough in ME3... Quite interested to see the Shenko romance

It's so hot here.. I want to be inside that fridge too

[Beep Il]

I see. Thanks for answering, Mimi. If I understood correctly, for FemShep, the evac scene is a step back, but for a BroShep, it's the zenith of the romance subplot.
Sweet.

@Nrieh
Checked my fridge. Didn't find sleeping Kaidan there.

[lindtchoco]

I am doing a MSheo playthrough in ME3... Quite interested to see the Shenko romance

It's so hot here.. I want to be inside that fridge too

[Mimitochan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wonderful art! Some of best fan art comes from the Kaidan and Steve threads.

The day someone makes one of Shepard and Miranda reuniting after Destroy in the Hospital will be glorious.

I'm surprised no Miranda fans have yet

Most of her art is NSFW and is actually rather nasty.

There isn't any real art for her out there Post-Ending.

I'm really surprised too!

[Vigilant111]

Mimitochan wrote...

Beep Il wrote...
Also, haven't played FemShep, so QUESTION.
How does the evac scene ruin the London goodbye scene? Aren't those scenes identical for BroShep?

Well i speak for myself mainly, i think ofther femShep players don't mind at all.

mShep + Kaidan >  (hehe, had never seen this, Kaidan is just so lovely all the time )
femShep + Kaidan >

I feel like those goodbyes are final.
- When this is over, you'd better show up.
- Don't get me wrong, i'm going to fight like hell for a chance to hold you again.
- I can't lose you again.

When you say goodbye, well, it's goodbye, not see you later in the EC
These dialogue lines felt like some kind of omen, for me, this was the last of Shenko that we got to play before the cataclysmic ending. As I said, I felt this was particularly well written, actually, i feel this scene is perfect, but also perfect as a final Shenko scene. They say goodbye to each other, but you as a player tell them goodbye too!
So this was a very emotional moment for me.

With the EC, since you've got an extra scene, which on a side note is totally absurd AND absolutely identical no matter who your LI is, i feel it ruins the value and intensity of London.

I'd probably feel the same for the London mShep scene, but most mShep players say they love that the two of them get to say ILY from EC, that EC exactly gave them what they had missed from the pre-EC game.
So that's why i said it ruined it for femShep, as I feel mSheps think exactly the other way around, that the romance wouldn't feel complete without EC.

Bolded text, that actually makes a lot of sense, but I thought Shepard refused to admit that it was in fact a "goodbye", and it doesn't make sense in the first place anyway because I have him in my squad...

The Normandy pick up scene = eye of the storm, the only sanity left in all that chaos, seek solace in it, don't judge it:pinched:

Second bolded text, sounds like someone is jealous

Modifié par Vigilant111, 24 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[AndreasShepard]

Nrieh wrote...

Here's the finished Anders-Alenko (as named by Nrieh)

Maker's breath......Is that...oh noes....Justice is also in there?!?

It's not Justice it's ... INTEGRITY

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 24 août 2012 - 07:54 .

[Mimitochan]

Beep Il wrote...

I see. Thanks for answering, Mimi. If I understood correctly, for FemShep, the evac scene is a step back, but for a BroShep, it's the zenith of the romance subplot.
Sweet.

Yes, exactly, at least, that's my view on this - though again, never played mShep romance, and also, duh, i'm not a gay guy.

That's why i always choose Renegade for the evac scene, it makes the scene shorter. 
Cause when they say to each other ILY here, i think "oh come on, give me a break, you've said that before!".
"I love you"s are precious things, they shouldn't go to waste.
Plus i feel the scene is totally out of character for everybody, Shep would put his/her job before the rest.
Also, i feel Kaidan is off here, but that's more personal, it's more about my Kaidan.

[Mimitochan]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...
When you say goodbye, well, it's goodbye, not see you later in the EC

Bolded text, that actually makes a lot of sense, but I thought Shepard refused to admit that it was in fact a "goodbye", and it doesn't make sense in the first place anyway because I have him in my squad...

Well the soldiers will indeed meet again on the battlefield.
But the lovers say goodbye here.

That's why it's so beautiful.

This scene reminds me a lot of the ME2 opening scene.

Shepard says: "Kaidan, go". Shepard uses Kaidan's name here, not "Lieutenant" as a superior officer should. 
Kaidan says: "Aye, aye". Which acknowledges this as a military order.

So that's why i said it ruined it for femShep, as I feel mSheps think exactly the other way around, that the romance wouldn't feel complete without EC.

The Normandy pick up scene = eye of the storm, the only sanity left in all that chaos, seek solace in it, don't judge it:pinched:

Second bolded text, sounds like someone is jealous

I'm not  

As Nrieh said, i think the evac scene is a bad addition no matter what, but since it's some sort of zenith for mShep, then great! EDIT> I mean it redeems it for me just because it brings something good for the mShep romance - though it doesn't impact my Shenko.



"What do you mean "goodbye"?"



"Nope. Not part of my vocabulary."

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 août 2012 - 08:31 .

[nos_astra]

Mimitochan wrote...
Well the soldiers will indeed meet again on the battlefield.
But the lovers say goodbye here.

That's why it's so beautiful.

This scene reminds me a lot of the ME2 opening scene.

Shepard says: "Kaidan, go". Shepard uses Kaidan's name here, not "Lieutenant" as a superior officer should. 
Kaidan says: "Aye, aye". Which acknowledges this as a military order.

I have to agree with you here.

As much as I despise the ME2 intro for its cheap trickery (my body should be goo, I died but I got better, lucky me no one really cares, my pilot got me killed through insubordination but that nets little to no character development), I love the "goodbye" there for the exact reason you mentioned. She sends her lover/friend away ... not her lieutenant ... but it's the lieutenant who answers and leaves her behind. That's really well done!

I love the goodbye scene in London. It fits my FShep perfectly. The evac scene (while cute) sort of ruins it ... and it doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Once again he SR-2 can land on planets. Suddenly ships could fly to the beam (it was said before that they can't get close which is why the planned that stupid suicide run to begin with). Evac for your friends, certain death for everyone else? That's the reason fraternization is frowned upon.

Its most redeeming quality is that it's a very important scene for MShenko. (I'd still suggest rewriting it to something more private and less OH LOOK WE'RE DOING LOTS OF NONSENSICAL STUFF THAT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE POSSIBLE. Just leave Kaidan behind in cover with someone to look after him, unsure if they'll get out.)

Edit: Typos.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 août 2012 - 09:31 .

[nos_astra]

AndreasShepard wrote...

Nrieh wrote...
Maker's breath......Is that...oh noes....Justice is also in there?!?

It's not Justice it's ... INTEGRITY

Mind blown.

[Mimitochan]

klarabella wrote...

As much as I despise the ME2 intro for it's cheap trickery (my body should be goo, I died but I got better, lucky me no one really cares, my pilot got me killed through insubordination but that nets little to no character development), I love the "goodbye" there for the exact reason you mentioned. She sends her lover/friend away ... not her lieutenant ... but it's the lieutenant who answers and leaves her behind. That's really well done!

I love the goodbye scene in London. It fits my FShep perfectly. The evac scene (while cute) sort of ruins it ... and it doesn't make and awful lot of sense. Once againt he SR-2 can land on planets. Suddenly ships could fly to the beam (it was said before that they can't get close which is why the planned that stupid suicide run to begin with). Evac for your friends, certain death for everyone else? That's the reason fraternization is frowned upon.

It's most redeeming quality is that it's a very important scene for MShenko. (I'd still suggest rewriting it to something more private and less OH LOOK WE'RE DOING LOTS OF NONSENSICAL STUFF THAT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE POSSIBLE. Just leave Kaidan behind in cover with someone to look after him, unsure if they'll get out.)

Ahah I hear you. "What do you mean i've been burnt to 85th degree? What? Clinically dead? Nonsense." Joker probably should have been court martialed, fancy he's the one saying "I'm not Kaidan" at the Purgatory.  God knows how many times Kaidan has pointed out fraternization rules in ME1, maybe BW should have put some "SHEPARD IS ACTUALLY AN ALLIANCE SOLDIER" stickers on their desk while writing the evac scene...

Yes, when it comes to dialogues and characters, them BW writers, they're good and they're very smart.
Plot and storyline... not always so much, but hey, Kaidan makes us grow weak

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 août 2012 - 10:31 .

[NRieh]

AndreasShepard wrote...

It's not Justice it's ... INTEGRITY

Wow. Even Vengence would have been not so hopeless and fatal......where did he get it I wonder....poor Commander Templar....poor Andrenko... (No Al+ers, as someone suggested 8E )

Just leave Kaidan behind in cover with someone to look after him, unsure if they'll get out.

You're kidding?! It would be to easy and... it would make sense!! EA Gods forbid to do things that make sense!!

As for MShenko...with all my love to MShenkos - you all know that this scene is not Kaidan-specific. It is not even LI-specific. It just is. Even if you have James and EDI or Javik. If we had Grunt in squad - we'd have to evac Grunt as well. And there is also second barely hurt squad member. Who just leaves silently. Even if that is Garrus.

As for ME2 - Alchera has thick gas, but non-oxygen atmosphere(methatn, ammonia). Which means - body could not burn. Not that it 100% saves the day, but makes it look slightly less spacemagical.

[JosieFrances]

AndreasShepard wrote...

Here's the finished Anders-Alenko (as named by Nrieh)

And with Shep

Now they can fall in love all over again only this time they'll fight the ArchDemon!  Maybe sort of an apostate/rogue templar storyline?

Those are amazing!!! 

[AshTheBrave]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Bolded text, that actually makes a lot of sense, but I thought Shepard refused to admit that it was in fact a "goodbye", and it doesn't make sense in the first place anyway because I have him in my squad...

The Normandy pick up scene = eye of the storm, the only sanity left in all that chaos, seek solace in it, don't judge it:pinched:

This is more or less how I saw it. I didn't see the London scene as "goodbye". Right after that I told him "Let's go". He's in my squad.
I saw it more of a "Here we go, you better make it back" scene. I saw the evac as the goodbye. I liked it better cause it fit my Shep better. It was a brief moment of peace in the chaos. It was getting him safe then going to do our job. For me, that was the goodbye scene. We're leaving him and we "know" we're not going to see him again. It was just very Shepard for me. Getting others safe while we go do the bad stuff.

I have to agree though, the evac scene doesn't make much sense. I still love it though. It's a ridiculous explanation for how the squad got back on the Normandy for the crash scene.

[NRieh]

I liked it better cause it fit my Shep better. It was a brief moment of peace in the chaos. It was getting him safe then going to do our job. For me, that was the goodbye scene.

A "moment of peace" could be set up with leaving him behind the cover under watch of faithful bro Garrus (and that's where his leaving Shep would make some sense). Or it could be med shuttle. Or let it be Normandy, but not right here and now - leave them behind the cover to wait or tell them to get back for pick-up...

ANY of those is better than what is in game, and any of those may include mshenko ILY and "moment of peas*", though plot-wise at this point there is NO place for such thing. If you think otherwise - try to play MP (silver or gold) and while fighting final evac wave - try to find some place for such a moment (preferably - being cornered by 2 banshees and few brutes around) and have some friendly origin chat.

*spelling intended.

[laikabaws]

AndreasShepard wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

Here's the finished Anders-Alenko (as named by Nrieh)

Maker's breath......Is that...oh noes....Justice is also in there?!?

It's not Justice it's ... INTEGRITY

I laughed so hard I had to stop typing drinking all that tea breathing. You already made my day with those drawings, but this joke...I just...can't function anymore :lol:

Happy Kaidan approval for you~

Modifié par laikabaws, 24 août 2012 - 12:11 .

[Vigilant111]

AshTheBrave wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Bolded text, that actually makes a lot of sense, but I thought Shepard refused to admit that it was in fact a "goodbye", and it doesn't make sense in the first place anyway because I have him in my squad...

The Normandy pick up scene = eye of the storm, the only sanity left in all that chaos, seek solace in it, don't judge it:pinched:

This is more or less how I saw it. I didn't see the London scene as "goodbye". Right after that I told him "Let's go". He's in my squad.
I saw it more of a "Here we go, you better make it back" scene. I saw the evac as the goodbye. I liked it better cause it fit my Shep better. It was a brief moment of peace in the chaos. It was getting him safe then going to do our job. For me, that was the goodbye scene. We're leaving him and we "know" we're not going to see him again. It was just very Shepard for me. Getting others safe while we go do the bad stuff.

I have to agree though, the evac scene doesn't make much sense. I still love it though. It's a ridiculous explanation for how the squad got back on the Normandy for the crash scene.

I am okay with you guys saying it is not logical, I mean come on, how can Harbinger not see the Normandy???

But artisitically speaking, it is very touching, and people wanted that, the Normandy pick up scene is by NO MEANS "another" goodbye scene, it just shows Shepard was getting his squad, which happened to include Kaidan, out of harms way, if that is a goodbye scene why didn't Kaidan put the name plate up? obviously there is hope for a reunion, right?

My apologies for sounding harsh today

[laikabaws]

Cutie Sbarge as Captain Hook, promoting Once Upon a Time~ Gah so adorable 

Modifié par laikabaws, 24 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[Doodle]

yay everybody talking when i get on, unlike the last few days where it's been over a hour


I've also fully unlocked the Shadow....

In full sarcasm: Thanks.

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 24 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[JosieFrances]

laikabaws wrote...

Cutie Sbarge as Captain Hook, promoting Once Upon a Time~ Gah so adorable 

Isn't he just so lovely

[Mimitochan]

AshTheBrave wrote...

This is more or less how I saw it. I didn't see the London scene as "goodbye". Right after that I told him "Let's go". He's in my squad.
I saw it more of a "Here we go, you better make it back" scene. I saw the evac as the goodbye. I liked it better cause it fit my Shep better. It was a brief moment of peace in the chaos. It was getting him safe then going to do our job. For me, that was the goodbye scene. We're leaving him and we "know" we're not going to see him again. It was just very Shepard for me. Getting others safe while we go do the bad stuff.

I have to agree though, the evac scene doesn't make much sense. I still love it though. It's a ridiculous explanation for how the squad got back on the Normandy for the crash scene.

Ahah, I love it, as many Shenkos out there as there are individuals.
On top of everything that's been already pointed out regarding the scene itself, my Shenko doesn't fit in here either.
What I'm expecting here from both Shepard and Kaidan here is exactly what happens on Mars after Vega crashes the shuttle. Kaidan is lying on the floor and Shepard goes to help / check upon on him, and Kaidan makes this gesture "don't worry about me, I'm good" and Shepard just carry on with her task (that is before the smashing Eva incident ).

BUT, I suppose it can't be worse than pre-EC > you're running to the beam (yeah, don't bother dodging, people, it's automatic) and if you turn around, you'll see Kaidan + squadmate stupidly stuck at the beginning of the map...

Modifié par Mimitochan, 24 août 2012 - 12:30 .

[laikabaws]

Hmmm, I've been away the entire day and came back to only miss 1 page, so not as fast for me...not that I mind anyway (only have to read 1 page, yey~)

[Vigilant111]

laikabaws wrote...

Hmmm, I've been away the entire day and came back to only miss 1 page, so not as fast for me...not that I mind anyway (only have to read 1 page, yey~)

Greetings to Laika:wizard:, how about some space magic?

[JosieFrances]

laikabaws wrote...

Hmmm, I've been away the entire day and came back to only miss 1 page, so not as fast for me...not that I mind anyway (only have to read 1 page, yey~)

Haha same, it was nice being able to catch up quickly