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[devSin]

blmlozz wrote...

unmodded was far enough down the line that I was playing through refreshed(and had played all 3 games in a row), so the EC + the scenes with Levithian + my own RL experiences + not having an avenue for Kaidan & shep other than the stuff in ME3 combined to at least make it feel more intense.

I will say this, in my moded playthrough, I still cried in the London scene, then I was mostly just angry pre EC. Post EC I was just in it for the cut-scenes, the emotional attachment had long since past, which makes me very sad to think about acutally, that I can become acustom to loss enough that it doesn't bother me..

Yeah, the original ending and the wait for the extended cut was all pretty rough. I've still only seen the ending three or four times, and there are parts of the game I've yet to truly play (after witnessing the ending, I mostly just skip through dialogue, and I don't read the journal or codex or anything).

In any event, I was simply curious where the modded romance was possibly less distressing. Regardless, I'm a fan of the relationship as it exists, and I'm always happy to see when other people enjoy it too. It's great you gave it a shot, and it sounds like you were able to see some of the same beauty in it that I do. :-)

[Kunari801]

For me, I didn't discover the ME1 mod until after my first ME3 PT, so that clouds my judgement. I had been so mad and depressed, that discovering that mod got me to play a new PT and fall in love with the characters again.

[txmn1016]

Not Kaidan related but I'm finally finishing up my first playthrough of SWKotOR and I just realized that Bastila is voiced by Jennifer Hale...

[laikabaws]

txmn1016 wrote...

Not Kaidan related but I'm finally finishing up my first playthrough of SWKotOR and I just realized that Bastila is voiced by Jennifer Hale...

She also voices the fem!Trooper in SWTOR, Satele Shan  ...and on an even more unrelated note, Leah from Diabo III. Got the same reaction when I found out 

[devSin]

laikabaws wrote...

She also voices the fem!Trooper in SWTOR, Satele Shan  ...and on an even more unrelated note, Leah from Diabo III. Got the same reaction when I found out 

I wonder if she voices that big guy at the end as well? The cinematic version at least sounds like it still might be a female voice (I just couldn't tell if it was still her or not).

I also think that the child emperor sounds like the same actor as the Catalyst. I don't know if it is, but the entire time he was talking, all I could think was that it was the stupid vent rat.

Modifié par devSin, 05 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[laikabaws]

And ohhhhh romancing discussion, me likey~

I love both the F!Shep and M!Shep aspects of the Kaidan romance, and it was truly an honor to experience the M!Shep version (good job curiosity). I love how you get different versions and ultimately a different experience from romancing Kaidan (two for the price of one)--subtle evidences of tension from M!Shep and blatant longing from F!Shep. This speaks highly of the depth Kaidan's character for me because he accepts Shepard no matter what...equipment they have (yeah, it can be boiled down to technical gameplay mechanics, but my reaction to Kaidan's depth doesn't change). The happiest decision of romancing a game character for me was how after experiencing the F!Shep romance, I get to experience the M!Shep one. This way, not only was I able to pick up on the differences (easter egg time for me), but  there was also the context I needed to see the then possible attraction between M!Shep and Kaidan. But as much as I love the M!Shep romance, the F!Shep one still holds a special place in my heart by virtue of nostalgia because it's the first ME romance I get to experience (so I guess 100% love for F!Shep while 99% love for M!Shep for me).

Before I get on my love for the F!Shep side of things and although I have no qualms for a modded M!Shep romance, I still highly prefer the unmodded one because ultimately the modded one is an exact replica of the F!Shep romance--something I have already known. The modded one for me diminishes the alternate experience of the other gender's romance that's unique to Kaidan. And...the ma 'ams, princess, and sudden F!Shep in the romance scene in ME1 never fails to break the modded M!Shep immersion for me, although they're undeniably funny. As for other people doing the modded M!Shep, I'm really happy for them because they get to experience the F!Shep romance (with some immersion mishaps) without resorting to making a F!Shep.

So people have stated for their love of the M!Shep romance, and since they're exactly the same reasons why I love it, I won't elaborate on it further. I will however elaborate on F!Shep...
What I love about the F!Shep romance is how the tension is actually shown. You deliberately see and experience the full-blown way of how they fumble with their feelings. Yes, one could argue that the tension between M!Shep and Kaidan is much greater because they've kept their feelings hidden, but these feelings are inferred rather than seen; you have to heavily rely on headcanon to live through with the M!Shep romance, and people's headcanon are way different from another's headcanon. In F!Shep's case, the tension is more canon and more consistent; consistent in a way that people's idea of how F!Shep's romance developed is singular because that's what is shown in-game. You really have actual evidence of a romance spanning three games, even a chance to "cheat" for additional dramaz. 
Another thing I love for the F!Shep romance is how adorably awkward, yet appropriately supportive, quirky and witty they get to each other while flirting. The quirky lines they exchange gives a whole new depth for Kaidan's (and even Shep's) thoughtfulness and wit. Yeah, I have soft spot for dry-humor (I'm looking at you Alistair). You see the conflict that is the galaxy is weighing heavily on them, fraternization to think about (possible cause of Ash's death?), and managing their feelings that's later uncontrollable. You see that at the end of the world, their relationship is specially important--that it might never happen again, thus its culmination the night before Ilos, and its gravity in Shepard's death and in their fateful reunion in Horizon.
Also, there's this thing I noticed about the M!Shep romance in ME1: you don't get a whole set of Normandy dialogue with Kaidan, which lessens Kaidan's character development, so maybe that's another reason most M!Shep players consider him "boring". F!Sheps however, since they're meant to romance Kaidan, get more of that character development, most especially when romancing him. That's my gripe too about the ME2 romances in general: if you don't plan to romance a character, you get less character development from them (e.g. Jack just shoos F!Shep away while M!Shep gets to understand more why Jack is so abrasive towards people). 

About the evacuation scene, I actually love that it was added for both M!Shep and F!Shep. I won't elaborate on M!Shep again because I love it the same way you guys do. But for F!Shep, I personally don't see it as diminishing the effect of the London goodbye mainly because I play my F!Sheps a certain way. All my F!Sheps, even my canon paragon, try to distance themselves from intimacy, though they have their own reasons. So regardless of their morality, during the sexytimes scene I never pick the "I love you" dialogue option from Shep (I pick the "Thank you" one, resulting to: "Your support makes me strong). They all hesitate to do so because of duty calls, and perhaps their misconceptions of love and specifically the concept of loving Kaidan in itself. Also, I love Kaidan's response to that more: "I want to be your strength, your soft place to land" --oh how true it is for Shep, someone who singularly takes on all the weight of the galaxy even at the expense of their humanity. Then during the London goodbye, I sense their awkwarness and hesitancy of proclaiming their love--casually talking about other things in a flippant way and Kaidan's initiative of pulling Shep for a kiss. Shep doesn't openly state that she loves him more than anyone else, but only promises to be back for him.
So during the evacuation scene (no matter the logic or lack of it involved), Shep finally and freely admits her love in the face and actual reality of almost losing Kaidan again (maybe actually losing Kaidan just the same in the wake of her Catalyst decision)...and it's heartbreaking, yet beautiful all the same, M!Shep or F!Shep. 

Disclaimer: The London goodbye is the same for M!Shep and F!Shep. The big difference is how, in the sexytimes scene, F!Shep is given the chance to say "I love you" to Kaidan while M!Shep doesn't.

Also, I have an entire modded M!Shep romance, but didn't push through with it in ME3.

Also, just my opinion...no need to go spreading it around~

Modifié par laikabaws, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[ShallowlLife9871]

 I gotta say, thematicaly,  [ and after an epic playthough where I'm up to the London FOB's goodbyes] 
I kinda like the Idea of Shepard, NOT getting with Kaidan untill 3. 
while i love a faithful playthough [ and it was a struggle not to hit on Kaidan in 1, as per my instict] but too me it just feels more right. 
not to mention, if you don't say: I love You, in the Cabain. you get : Let me be your streagth, your soft place to Land...Shepard....I love you. [ am not sure if he says the same thing in a full Faithful Roamce and you pick the second option...]

[laikabaws]

@ShallowLife9871 Kaidan says the same for faithful~

The idea of not getting with Kaidan until ME3, I get to have with my M!Shep (most especially) and my non-imported F!Shep. A whole lot of Kaidan-y experience if you ask me, and I love his romance the most because of that.

[ShallowlLife9871]

@ Laikabaws it was a stuggle to take the firendship path with him
...Kaidan's romance was what got me in to ME in the first place, I'm the kind of player that once i find an in game romance i like, i stick with it. I love the way his romance arch can play out in a number of ways, and you find differnet aspics of his personalty.
buuut I've yet to make a M!Shep for him.

[laikabaws]

Do it! It's worth it, especially after experiencing F!Shep~

Yup, I feel the same way--had a really hard time romancing Garrus even though he's a sweet guy. I didn't play ME for Kaidan like you, but all my Sheps (F!Shep faithful paragon and renegade, F!Shep "cheater", F!Shep non-imported, and M!Shep)...or any other character in an RPG, romance just one person particularly Kaidan in ME. I dunno, once I settle on a pairing it is "canon" for me (OTP!!!), and I can't break away from the thought of romancing another no matter the alternate-ness of the universe. I ship other people with Shep or Kaidan too (M!ShepxMiri, M!ShepxAsh...etc.), but I have only one pairing I actually make the effort to play.

Thus, I'm proud of people getting to romance a whole lot of characters with different Sheps so easily.

Modifié par laikabaws, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Mimitochan]

Morning people!

Oh wow, as usual, i miss the thick of any different timezone discussion going on here.
Story of my BSN life.

Kunari801 wrote...
I agree, it's such a touching and very precious romance arc for male Shepard & Kaidan in a un-modded PT.  Probably the best love story in all of Mass Effect.  The unrequited desire in ME1, where both were too shy to express their real feelings, to the fight in ME2, and the ultimate relationship in ME3.  

However, it's too heart wrenching for me. Too sad, and too tragic, to think of Kaidan loosing Shepard once again. I couldn't do that to Kaidan but there is (almost) nothing that you can do in ME3 to prevent him from loosing Shepard a second time.  Lucky for me Destroy is my first choice reguardless and my Shep can return to Kaidan. 
Mass Effect isn't Shakespeare and it shouldn't try to be,

I didn't want to be that depressed at the end of ME3 and yet, even with the EC, I still am.

I agree with you on this. If we were talking about an object where i would be just a spectactor, it would be slightly different though. Even so, I'm generally not attracted by tragic love (oh how i agree on the Shakespeare part). I may have "enjoyed" that in my younger days, but now, and since this medium enables me to pour a part of myself into Shepard and to experience her being in immersive conditions, i'm actually happy with casual romances and f*ck, yeah, happy endings. Obviously, Shenko destiny is still tragic, no matter what gender you pick for your Shep.

@blmlozz
Thank you for answering me in detail, i really appreciate it. I know of course that you were just enthusiastically describing here your fresh Kaidan experience and I hope i didn't sound insensitive for the sake of being too self-centered or something.

It never crossed my mind that modded Shenko could be perceived / experienced as anything different than straight Shenko but just with a different avatar. That's why I asked people here about the reasons they did a modded PT. What you're saying about experiencing the game modded or not, that's a very personal layer you're adding here. One i can't probably understand. For one because obviously i'm not a gay guy, second, because i think my gamer mind works differently. We are all products of our environment. For what it's worth, that picture perfect of a couple advertizing and entertainment keeps feeding on us doesn't appeal to me either, but it's true that since i'm just a woman, society has less expectations for me.
I like to believe that in RL, you're not "designed" for a type of person, but rather that a certain type of relationship will appeal to you.

In the same way, i never really felt that femShenko felt particularly straight (i.e. better experienced as femShep if you will), especially in ME1 (which is the thick of it to me, ME3 is too caricatural). The reason why is that Shepard is the same no matter his/her gender for most of the game. Some people even say that femShep is a butch, i would probably say femShep is actually a man with boobs but for Jennifer Hale's soulful voice acting. I enjoyed that, i mean experiencing a strong female character, free of all the usual burdens that society associates with female identity, i loved that. Another example would be Steve. He's actually more sexually agressive than Kaidan will ever be, but i see it as different personalities, not really as sexual labels if it makes sense?

About the candle that burns twice as strong, well, as I said, i'm too emotional for tragic love, especially since this one's part of myself. I see it as mainly a different rhythmology. Even femShenko ends up tragic and depressing in the end, so I guess we're all the same on this unfortunately.

EDIT> oh my, that actually sounded ultra bleek  - what i meant in a nutshell is, thank you for sharing your thoughts here, happy you enjoyed your new PT and Kaidan love all around.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 septembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Beep Il]

*Peeks into the Kaidan thread*
*Sees random tumbleweeds only*
*Leaves*

[Mimitochan]

Beep Il wrote...

*Peeks into the Kaidan thread*
*Sees random tumbleweeds only*
*Leaves*

Tumbleweeds? That's unfair.

[laikabaws]

Same headcanon post-Leviathan for me (awwwww)~

Shoko

Btw btw...is it okay to post Leviathan spoilery pics or things now? If not, when?

Modifié par laikabaws, 05 septembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[Beep Il]

It's been over a week since it's release, laika. I think it should be okay to post Leviathan stuff by now.

[laikabaws]

 Thanks Beep  Will find some later~


Also this parallel is kinda fitting...and sad 

Modifié par laikabaws, 05 septembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[lindtchoco]

laikabaws wrote...

Same headcanon post-Leviathan for me (awwwww)~

Shoko

Aw they are so adorable here!

[laikabaws]

@lindtchoco I can't handle its adorableness~

Also


Glowy Kaidan crotch~ I'm blinded!!!

[Mimitochan]

Beep Il wrote...

It's been over a week since it's release, laika. I think it should be okay to post Leviathan stuff by now.

I agree. Let the Leviathan tide roll in.

[laikabaws]

Mimitochan wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

It's been over a week since it's release, laika. I think it should be okay to post Leviathan stuff by now.

I agree. Let the Leviathan tide roll in.

Wheee~


After snacking I'd get to finding Leviathan pics, but for now...

[Mimitochan]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

I've only got 1 playthrough and his name is Commander Shepard!

who is apparently a Bi-omnisexual. heh heh heh

Your new avatar, is that the one who's gonna dump Liara?

[NRieh]

Same headcanon post-Leviathan for me (awwwww)~

So, they had that pineapple-strawberry tender blue baby blanket since Normandy?... Wierd things are wierd...

[lindtchoco]

My FShep just experienced the most heart-breaking moment of her life on Horizon

[Beep Il]

Something tells me this thread needs these. Don't ask why.

[Mimitochan]

EDIT>

Beep Il wrote...

Something tells me this thread needs these. Don't ask why.

Why?

@lindtchoco: oh no!

Modifié par Mimitochan, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:11 .