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I have read Mass Effect Redemption and I always hate how it was canonized. I could personally blame Mac Walters for all the plot holes around this to justify Liara's existence in the lore.

 

Liara isn't a commando, she's just a scientist who happened to be a gifted biotic (I am a trained researcher and yet I don't go around shooting people, I never held a gun in my life!). Then she got a tip about the Shadow Broker selling Shepard's body to the Collectors and instead of calling all her combat-trained friends, she went to Omega alone and try to 'save' Shepard with the help of a double-crossing Drell. She sucked extraordinarily at this, she nearly lost Shepard's body and Feron was captured. Later, she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus to do whatever they do and then went to Ilium to plot against the Shadow Broker. Liara could have told them that she found Shepard's body and the deal she made with Cerberus but no.. she kept it to herself.... and along the way, she got Shepard's armor and dogtags as 'souvenir', because nothing is sweet like a century old Asari putting the items you died in inside some glass case for everyone to see.... While VS lovers got nothing except rumors that Shepard is alive.

 

I reason somewhere that Hackett and Anderson wanted Liara to keep everything a secret and let the rumors simmer about "Shepard is still alive but working with Cerberus" because that was less ridiculous than "Shepard is really dead and Cerberus is bringing her/him back alive". It made sense why they're way too lenient about their human Spectre working with the terrorists and escape relatively scot-free.

Then again, Shepard don't really need to be dead. I don't get why they even need that as plot-device but I like the idea of CyborgShepard... 


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I didn't really mind the whole ME2 revival thing just find it incredibly iffy how clingy liara became especially if u were mean to her during the whole ME1 and also why didn't she recruit the aid of the VS or the other crew members I mean I'd think they be all gung ho about saving sheps ass... And they could always frame it as the alliance didn't want to waste resources on spending on a dead human spectre so they chose to go to the Cerberus route and things cn go just as they did... But i guess what's done is done... >.> <.< >.<
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I have read Mass Effect Redemption and I always hate how it was canonized. I could personally blame Mac Walters for all the plot holes around this to justify Liara's existence in the lore.

 

Liara isn't a commando, she's just a scientist who happened to be a gifted biotic (I am a trained researcher and yet I don't go around shooting people, I never held a gun in my life!). Then she got a tip about the Shadow Broker selling Shepard's body to the Collectors and instead of calling all her combat-trained friends, she went to Omega alone and try to 'save' Shepard with the help of a double-crossing Drell. She sucked extraordinarily at this, she nearly lost Shepard's body and Feron was captured. Later, she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus to do whatever they do and then went to Ilium to plot against the Shadow Broker. Liara could have told them that she found Shepard's body and the deal she made with Cerberus but no.. she kept it to herself.... and along the way, she got Shepard's armor and dogtags as 'souvenir', because nothing is sweet like a century old Asari putting the items you died in inside some glass case for everyone to see.... While VS lovers got nothing except rumors that Shepard is alive.

 

I reason somewhere that Hackett and Anderson wanted Liara to keep everything a secret and let the rumors simmer about "Shepard is still alive but working with Cerberus" because that was less ridiculous than "Shepard is really dead and Cerberus is bringing her/him back alive". It made sense why they're way too lenient about their human Spectre working with the terrorists and escape relatively scot-free.

Then again, Shepard don't really need to be dead. I don't get why they even need that as plot-device but I like the idea of CyborgShepard... 

 

Thank you for the information! I haven't read the comic yet. Only Foundation so far.

 

And, yeah, that's exactly my problem, just as I thought. Why did she have to do it on her own? Why didn't she tell anyone? Seriously. Half of our crew are people with extensive combat experience. I'm not sure they would all care, but I'm pretty sure that selling somebody's body, especially to the enemy, is not exactly an okay thing to do, either. At that point, it's not about Cerberus, it's about getting the corpse back at all and informing people that there's any at all.

 

I understand if she wasn't exactly sharing about the Cerberus thing. Just as Dantriges demonstrated on the previous page, I would also think she was out of her freaking mind. Cerberus? That Cerberus that murdered Kahoku? That Cerberus that performed inhumane experiments on people? Cerberus that messed with a long extinct race which blew up in their face? That sent my Shepard to the thresher maw nest just to see what happens, causing the death of her entire squad of fifty? (Come to think of it, why can't I get angry with Jacob and Miranda when they bring it up? Say that was Cerberus' fault?) That experimented on Toombs afterwards? Not to mention most of the experiments we've seen were horrible failures. What if they pulled Alien Resurrection? I don't know whether to be happy that Shepard is alive or have her yell at Liara because this is one of the most insane ideas I've seen in the ME universe. (Though we both have a soft spot for Liara, so... yeah. You do not simply yell at Liara.) I still think it's in big part that the writing is simply contrived like that. Having Shepard die just to be forced to join Cerberus is just lazy and Liara falls victim to it.

 

If Shepard had to really die and then be resurrected (Although doing all that during the first ten minutes takes away from the drama completely. We don't have to deal with the consequences, with what Joker and the rest of the crew felt like, what they did, nothing. It lost its impact in a matter of seconds.), at least it should've been done in some plausible way. Going through atmospheric entry and hitting a planet... that just doesn't work. It doesn't. (Not to mention that Shepard dies because she stops to look at explosions instead of going through the goddamn door.) I don't HATE it, but I do believe it should've been done better or differently.

 

My issue with Anderson, who is a councillor in my game, not telling anything to Kaidan despite the fact that Shepard visited him and got her Spectre status reinstated in front of him is that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Kaidan was investigating Cerberus on Horizon. So if Anderson knew she was alive and with Cerberus (and possibly a Spectre), why hold that information back? Why have him investigate thinking it's all just a rumour? Why put him through the surprise and shock? It's not about my Shepard getting her boyfriend back, I just don't understand why not explain the situation a little since it's relevant to his goddamn investigation and since Anderson knows damn well the Council and the Alliance didn't move a finger to help with Shepard's task. I don't think it's a particularly good idea to let the whole galaxy know Shepard is with Cerberus because Cerberus is still the enemy. I also totally understand why Anderson wouldn't tell Shepard anything about what Kaidan's up to, where he is, how to contact him, etc. But not telling anything to a high ranking member of the military that was specifically tasked with investigation related to Cerberus... Come on, BioWare. 

 

 

I didn't really mind the whole ME2 revival thing just find it incredibly iffy how clingy liara became especially if u were mean to her during the whole ME1 and also why didn't she recruit the aid of the VS or the other crew members I mean I'd think they be all gung ho about saving sheps ass... And they could always frame it as the alliance didn't want to waste resources on spending on a dead human spectre so they chose to go to the Cerberus route and things cn go just as they did... But i guess what's done is done... >.> <.< >.<

 

I understand that. I don't think the revival is a horrible idea exactly, I guess I just don't love the execution of it.

 

I agree that Liara did become surprisingly clingy. I was nice to her in ME1, my Shepard was her friend, but it was still surprising to learn that she just "couldn't let Shepard go", and I really, really don't understand why not get proper help to get Shepard back, as well.

 

I'm pretty sure that if the body indeed had been given to the Alliance or Shepard's relatives, if she has any, she would've never got resurrected. The whole galaxy, besides Cerberus, believes that bringing people back from the dead is impossible. There's no reason to try. I can't see them spending resources on an impossible task, either. (I'm not even sure why Cerberus would, either. Shepard is awesome and all, but just as she mentions soon from the start, they could've had an army for what they spent on bringing her back. ME2 really pushes the "Shepard is special" kind of deal.) They would probably bury her and find peace in the fact that at least she has a proper resting place now.

 

I guess we're just really lucky it worked out so nicely in the end, Shepard's body somehow remained intact, Cerberus somehow turned out to be anti-heroes of sorts for a moment (Though I never felt like I could trust them.) so we didn't get any mutant zombie Shepard or an army of Shepard clones at their disposal or something...


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Is it mentioned why she had to recover the body on her own? (I can't remember, but my memory sucks.) For somebody who died, Shepard sure doesn't question anything overmuch, either. It took all the way until the end of ME3 for her to wonder what the hell actually happened to her. (Not taking headcanon into account right now.)
 
So, yeah, mixed feelings here.


Well, Liara doesn't really want to do it alone. TIM realises that he can manipulate Liara for his own goals and use her like a tool in order to recover Shepard. Therefore, he anonymously tips Liara off to visit Omega, and orders Feron to meet her so that he can set his plans in motion. Feron then tells her that Shepards body has been recovered and that the Shadow Broker is involved. Thus, the events of Redemption begin. After that there was simply no time to wait for backup because the Shadow Broker was trying to sell Shepard's body to the collectors and Liara/Feron stopped them at the last second.

Another problem is of course that Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex can be dead and Garrus' recruitement in ME1 is optional, I guess that's the real reason why the writers didn't include them.
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Yah the execution was quite horrible about shep dying and all though cyborg shep is still awesome also I wish just like u guys we could see the effect it had in shep but that's what I guess headcannon are for :/

Also kind of agree with Livi14 maybe liara did it as a spur of the moment kind of thing... But still arg I wish they incorporated our crew in saving us it just feels sort of idk off that liara was really persistent if unromance >.>
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I would've just had Cerberus recover Shepard's body and keep Liara out of it. There was no reason for her to be involved.

 

Along comes the broker dlc and all of a sudden she is Shepard's best buddy. Not for me. Apparently she feels it wasn't important enough to inform my mother, for those who play as a spacer, that her son/daughters body was handed to Cerberus. Apparently Hackett felt an alien was more important than Shepard's mother or LI, Ashley/Kaidan, to give the dogtags. I would like to ask Hackett about that. Also it was very disturbing seeing Shepard's armor in a glass case on display like its some kind of trophy. Yeah that T'soni has some serious head problems

 

I would like to hear the excuse why Kaidan or even Ashley weren't told about this especially if they were romanced


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Imma headcannon that liara just took the dog tags and left rather than hackett giving it to her afterall liara is short of Shepard crazy >.>

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Imma headcannon that liara just took the dog tags and left rather than hackett giving it to her afterall liara is sort of Shepard crazy >.>

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Well, Liara doesn't really want to do it alone. TIM realises that he can manipulate Liara for his own goals and use her like a tool in order to recover Shepard. Therefore, he anonymously tips Liara off to visit Omega, and orders Feron to meet her so that he can set his plans in motion. Feron then tells her that Shepards body has been recovered and that the Shadow Broker is involved. Thus, the events of Redemption begin. After that there was simply no time to wait for backup because the Shadow Broker was trying to sell Shepard's body to the collectors and Liara/Feron stopped them at the last second.

Another problem is of course that Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex can be dead and Garrus' recruitement in ME1 is optional, I guess that's the real reason why the writers didn't include them.

 
I see. But, TIM tipped her off to go to Omega? To do what? I mean, she only learnt about the body then? Ahh, I should read a summary or something instead of pestering you. I'm going to do that, sorry.
 
However, none of this is remotely mentioned in the game. I specifically replayed the dialogues a moment ago because I thought I was just dumb and missed it or forgot it or something, but we have barely any information about any of this from playing the game, so that's why I'm so confused and bothered about what the hell happened and why. I really think it would be worth going into it in the game.
 
You make a good point about Wrex and Garrus, though. Ashley and Kaidan have sadly been merged into one role after the events of ME1, so I can't see much of an excuse why not include them somehow. Even if it were just an explanation why they weren't told anything. Whether as friends or lovers, from Horizon I got the impression they deeply cared about Shepard.

Imma headcannon that liara just took the dog tags and left rather than hackett giving it to her afterall liara is sort of Shepard crazy >.>


Yeah, I see no reason not to. It would make more sense, wouldn't it? Especially since she already has that armour in her apartment.
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I see. But, TIM tipped her off to go to Omega? To do what? I mean, she only learnt about the body then? Ahh, I should read a summary or something instead of pestering you. I'm going to do that, sorry.
 
However, none of this is remotely mentioned in the game. I specifically replayed the dialogues a moment ago because I thought I was just dumb and missed it or forgot it or something, but we have barely any information about any of this from playing the game, so that's why I'm so confused and bothered about what the hell happened and why. I really think it would be worth going into it in the game.
 
You make a good point about Wrex and Garrus, though. Ashley and Kaidan have sadly been merged into one role after the events of ME1, so I can't see much of an excuse why not include them somehow. Even if it were just an explanation why they weren't told anything. Whether as friends or lovers, from Horizon I got the impression they deeply cared about Shepard.


Yeah, I see no reason not to. It would make more sense, wouldn't it? Especially since she already has that armour in her apartment.

 

Does anyone really, as a matter of course, not recruit Garrus? I mean, he's Garrus. :P  

 

I don't remember the time frame for getting Shepard's body to Cerberus, but didn't Garrus kind of drop off the map about six months after the crash? It would seem to make the most sense for Liara to tell him, especially given his contacts. He can certainly be trusted with the information and possibly even keep an eye on Cerberus and by extension, the progress that Project Lazarus is making. Did he also say that he heard rumors that you were alive and with Cerberus? Although, given his optional recruitment, I understand why this wouldn't happen.



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Does anyone really, as a matter of course, not recruit Garrus? I mean, he's Garrus. :P  


I'm sure themikefest would have something to say about this, heh. From what I've learnt from themikefest's posts, the rest of the franchise more or less completely disregards that it's an option at all and the NPCs tend to forget that you didn't recruit him if you decided to go that route in ME1. I think I read it somewhere either in Things that don't make sense or The Little Things You Just Discovered... if I'm not mistaken. (Yes, I've read all the pages of both those threads. I regret nothing.)
 
I admit I'm not that much of a Garrus fan, but I always recruit him in ME1. Or at least I have done so for all my playthroughs so far. I mean, I like him, he's my Shepard's bro, but I don't have particularly strong feelings about him, I guess.
 

I don't remember the time frame for getting Shepard's body to Cerberus, but didn't Garrus kind of drop off the map about six months after the crash? It would seem to make the most sense for Liara to tell him, especially given his contacts. He can certainly be trusted with the information and possibly even keep an eye on Cerberus and by extension, the progress that Project Lazarus is making. Did he also say that he heard rumors that you were alive and with Cerberus? Although, given his optional recruitment, I understand why this wouldn't happen.


And because the game likes to forget there's any option not to recruit him at all, I wouldn't be surprised if it were handled as you say. Then again, it would be yet another stomp on people who didn't recruit him in ME1. (I also don't know how much in character it would be for him to give/agree with giving Shepard to Cerberus afterwards.) I do think it makes more sense to contact him IF he's around Omega at the time. Or if Cerberus contacted him instead of Liara in that case. But I admit I haven't read the comics. I don't know what Garrus was doing during those two years and I don't remember getting that much information from the game about it, either. (We mostly know bits and pieces about his Archangel business.) I can't even remember whether he mentions any rumours when you meet him in ME2, to be honest. But I remember he doesn't seem all that surprised to see Shepard, either.


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I'm sure themikefest would have something to say about this, heh. From what I've learnt from themikefest's posts, the rest of the franchise more or less completely disregards that it's an option at all and the NPCs tend to forget that you didn't recruit him if you decided to go that route in ME1. I think I read it somewhere either in Things that don't make sense or The Little Things You Just Discovered... if I'm not mistaken. (Yes, I've read all the pages of both those threads. Yes, I'm a bit on the crazier side.)

I admit I'm not that much of a Garrus fan, but I always recruit him in ME1. Or at least I have done so for all my playthroughs so far. I mean, I like him, he's my Shepard's bro, but I don't have particularly strong feelings about him, I guess.


And because the game likes to forget there's any option not to recruit him at all, I wouldn't be surprised if it were handled as you say. Then again, it would be yet another stomp on people who didn't recruit him in ME1. (I also don't know how much in character it would be for him to give/agree with giving Shepard to Cerberus afterwards.) I do think it makes more sense to contact him IF he's around Omega at the time. Or if Cerberus contacted him instead of Liara in that case. But I admit I haven't read the comics. I don't know what Garrus was doing during those two years and I don't remember getting that much information from the game about it, either. (We mostly know bits and pieces about his Archangel business.) I can't even remember whether he mentions any rumours when you meet him in ME2, to be honest. But he doesn't seem all that surprised to see Shepard, either.


Same way I feel about garrus... I feel like his my bro but that's all xD I did try romancing him but... I got bored and felt unattached but that's just me... Also I believe since liara and garrus are fan faves they get magically hamfisted into everything so its impossible for them to not be recruited in ME1 even if u did choose that option... Sad right? >.> <.<

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Same way I feel about garrus... I feel like his my bro but that's all xD I did try romancing him but... I got bored and felt unattached but that's just me... Also I believe since liara and garrus are fan faves they get magically hamfisted into everything so its impossible for them to not be recruited in ME1 even if u did choose that option... Sad right? >.> <.<

 

I admit that Garrus is my favorite ME character. I like him better than Kaidan and considered romancing him, but I just can't. He feels too much like a best friend or older brother. The only thing that does bother me about Garrus is that Shep has more cutscenes with him in ME3 than with Kaidan. And I'm like, hey, Kaidan's my boyfriend. Why do I never talk to him?


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I admit that Garrus is my favorite ME character. I like him better than Kaidan and considered romancing him, but I just can't. He feels too much like a best friend or older brother. The only thing that does bother me about Garrus is that Shep has more cutscenes with him in ME3 than with Kaidan. And I'm like, hey, Kaidan's my boyfriend. Why do I never talk to him?


I am sort of angry at the fact that kaidan doesn't even have a short cutscene when kai leng whoops ur ass I mean this is a major defeat shouldn't u be lovingly hugged by kaidan at this point >.<

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Same way I feel about garrus... I feel like his my bro but that's all xD I did try romancing him but... I got bored and felt unattached but that's just me... Also I believe since liara and garrus are fan faves they get magically hamfisted into everything so its impossible for them to not be recruited in ME1 even if u did choose that option... Sad right? >.> <.<

 
Well, of course you didn't. He's not Kaidan.  :whistle: (Garrus guys, if you're reading this, please, don't kill me.)
 
I admit I haven't tried romancing him, but my friend was kind enough to record his "Shakarian" romance for me. ME2's left me largely unimpressed (I think it's just not my cup of tea.) and ME3's is pretty cute, actually, but still not really my kind of thing. But, hey, options! I must say I enjoy Shakarian fanart and such. I don't know why but Garrus and Shepard seem like a really cool couple to me. From the outside perspective, at least. But I don't really feel like trying it for myself any time soon.
 
Hm, as much as I like Liara, I admit that I feel like there is a push from the writer to include her as much as possible. We have two DLCs where she's completely essential, for example. And you can never really stay away from Garrus for too long in any of the three games, either. Unless you intentionally skip or delay recruiting him in the first two games while replaying.

 

I admit that Garrus is my favorite ME character. I like him better than Kaidan and considered romancing him, but I just can't. He feels too much like a best friend or older brother. The only thing that does bother me about Garrus is that Shep has more cutscenes with him in ME3 than with Kaidan. And I'm like, hey, Kaidan's my boyfriend. Why do I never talk to him?


That's interesting. I didn't feel there was much of a difference in the amount of dialogues... once we're allowed to have Kaidan back. I mean, I'm not saying there isn't for sure, but I didn't have that feeling, at least. Except the stupid part where they take Kaidan away for a whole game just because and then take him away for half of another. Because that was really... cool... and stuff...  <_< While you get Garrus no matter what, pretty much immediately in each game if you want to, and when he gets injured it takes about five seconds for him to get mostly healed and combat ready again because Cerberus magic. So if there's any difference, I'd blame that. I don't remember much of anything else.


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Nah its probably since garrus doesn't have hair that looks like elvis's xD but I have tried his ME2 romance when I first got the game and I was meeeh about it tho the me3 citadel DLC dance makes me reconsider at times....
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That's interesting. I didn't feel there was much of a difference in the amount of dialogues... once we're allowed to have Kaidan back. I mean, I'm not saying there isn't for sure, but I didn't have that feeling, at least. Except the stupid part where they take Kaidan away for a whole game just because and then take him away for half of another. Because that was really... cool... and stuff...  <_< While you get Garrus no matter what, pretty much immediately in each game if you want to, and when he gets injured it takes about five seconds for him to get mostly healed and combat ready again because Cerberus magic. So if there's any difference, I'd blame that. I don't remember much of anything else.

 

I may be remembering wrong, but the only cutscene I remember with Kaidan, once he gets back on the Normandy, is about his family. Everything else is just stopping in, saying hi, and he says something. Garrus has two "ruthless calculus" cutscenes that I can remember, in addition to being able to tell him if you sabotaged the genophage cure.


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I may be remembering wrong, but the only cutscene I remember with Kaidan, once he gets back on the Normandy, is about his family. Everything else is just stopping in, saying hi, and he says something. Garrus has two "ruthless calculus" cutscenes that I can remember, in addition to being able to tell him if you sabotaged the genophage cure.


He has another after the meeting with jacob and the scientists
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I am sort of angry at the fact that kaidan doesn't even have a short cutscene when kai leng whoops ur ass I mean this is a major defeat shouldn't u be lovingly hugged by kaidan at this point >.<

 
I admit Kaidan has never struck me as somebody who'd be all over his lover in public. I mean, if you notice, he and Shepard seem to prefer to keep it civil in front of other people, except that one time on Horizon which was a rather special occasion. I think it makes sense since there are still the regs against fraternisation which they should respect at least when there are people around, and they're on the battlefield and have a lot to worry about at that point. They seem to keep these things rather private where they then get all touchy feely. However, that might be just my impression. But, hey, I certainly wouldn't complain about getting comforted.  :whistle: In a way, he comforts Shepard in another way after the mission, by telling her they'll make Leng pay. What I like about him is that he keeps encouraging Shepard throughout the whole ME3. Garrus keeps it more realistic, which is great, and Kaidan tries to keep it positive, which is also great.
 

Nah its probably since garrus doesn't have hair that looks like elvis's xD but I have tried his ME2 romance when I first got the game and I was meeeh about it tho the me3 citadel DLC dance makes me reconsider at times....


:lol: Or that.

 

That Citadel DLC dance scene is amazing. Although I admit that's one of the reasons that make me NOPE out of there. (I hate dancing. Like, really hate dancing.) And in the party he then goes into the overly attached boyfriend mode and that scares the hell out of me.  :lol: (I hereby acknowledge I'm a very weird person.) However, I can totally see why people love it. I mean, that is good romance content.



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I admit Kaidan has never struck me as somebody who'd be all over his lover in public. I mean, if you notice, he and Shepard seem to prefer to keep it civil in front of other people, except that one time on Horizon which was a rather special occasion. I think it makes sense since there are still the regs against fraternisation which they should respect at least when there are people around, and they're on the battlefield and have a lot to worry about at that point. They seem to keep these things rather private where they then get all touchy feely. However, maybe that might be just my impression. But, hey, I certainly wouldn't complain about getting comforted. :whistle: In a way, he comforts Shepard in another way after the mission, by telling her they'll make Leng pay. What I like about him is that he keeps encouraging Shepard throughout the whole ME3. Garrus keeps it more realistic, which is great, and Kaidan tries to keep it positive, which is also great.


:lol: Or that.

That Citadel DLC dance scene is amazing. Although I admit that's one of the reasons that makes me NOPE out of there. (I hate dancing. Like, really hate dancing.) And in the party he then goes into the overly attached boyfriend mode and that scares the hell out of me. :lol: (I hereby acknowledge I'm a very weird person.) However, I can totally see why people love it. I mean, that is good romance content.


Oh don't get me wrong I didn't want them to be all grabby grabby... Well kaidan isn't my shep sorta is xD but I mean garrus has a cutscene that he encourages u and stuff after the fight I just wish kaidans was also a cutscene or something Pat on the back? Well I just wanted more scenes since he was gone half way thru the game :/ though I reaaally loved his hospital scenes <3 quite touching and awesome really
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He has another after the meeting with jacob and the scientists

 

Kaidan or Garrus?



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Kaidan or Garrus?


Kaidan

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Kaidan

 

I do not remember that. What does he say?



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I do not remember that. What does he say?



Depends whether or not u cheated on him though... I'm sorry cnt give u the exact line but if u didn't cheat he tries to flirt with u but if u did he mention about atleast he wasnt replaced by a volus something something sorry cnt remember it either will try checking it out later xD

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Vanilka

Vanilka
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I do not remember that. What does he say?

 

He realises that the scientists were good people and he wonders about whether there are more people like that chased by Cerberus and how to help them. He basically realises he might have been wrong judging people just because they're associated with Cerberus. He also tries to get some insight into TIM. Also, he flirts with you really clumsily.  :lol:

 

One of my favourite dialogues in ME3 because you can see how much he's grown as a person.

 

I admit that ME3 sadly does enjoy its auto-dialogue and skipping cutscenes, though. I try to enjoy what I've got. Some of those mini-dialogues are really nice and/or cute, like the one where Kaidan complains that Shepard didn't wake him up last time she visited him.


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