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[Flaine1996]

Omg yes that was just soo adorably sweet love his comments during leviathan too melt my heart damn boy u so suave xD

[Vanilka]

Depends whether or not u cheated on him though... I'm sorry cnt give u the exact line but if u didn't cheat he tries to flirt with u but if u did he mention about atleast he wasnt replaced by a volus something something sorry cnt remember it either will try checking it out later xD

 

Yeah, I've watched a video of that and if you romance Jacob in ME2, Kaidan says he's glad Shepard has good tastes and hadn't replaced him with some volus accountant.  Then he says something along the lines that Shepard shouldn't worry about it and that they're good. (Not sure if that changes if you cheated on him and lied to him about it, though.)

[Flaine1996]

Yeah, I've watched a video of that and if you romance Jacob in ME2, Kaidan says he's glad Shepard has good tastes and hadn't replaced him with some volus accountant. Then he says something along the lines that Shepard shouldn't worry about it and that they're good. (Not sure if that changes if you cheated on him and lied to him about it, though.)

Idk why but I can never cheat on him nor never romance him... I know he is only a vid game chatlrac but... But... >.< >.> <.<

[Vanilka]

Idk why but I can never cheat on him nor never romance him... I know he is only a vid game chatlrac but... But... >.< >.> <.<

 

Well, heh, to me that's not that surprising. I have too much of a soft spot for him to do that, too. Moreover, I don't think my Shepard would be over him that soon. I mean, it might have been two years for Kaidan, but not for Shepard.

 

On the other hand, after what happens on Horizon, I'm not so sure I'd call it "cheating" and I don't blame Shepards who decide to move on. Especially since ME2 is quite an emotionally demanding chapter for Shepard, imho. From what I've read in the script, you can bring it up in the hospital in ME3 and Kaidan acknowledges that Horizon was a mess and he doesn't blame Shepard for it. He also tells her what he felt at the time. (He seems to get understandably angry if you lie to him, of course.) I'm kind of sorry we can't hear some of that without cheating on him because that convo is pretty interesting.

 

But, yeah, he's my favourite, too. And I'm a weak, weak person. I'm trying to get mentally ready for my first playthrough where I want to try a completely different Shepard and romance Liara instead, so I wonder how that'll go.   I think Liara is very sweet and I like her a lot, but she's not Kaidan, either. 

[themikefest]

Does anyone really, as a matter of course, not recruit Garrus? I mean, he's Garrus.   

A lot of my ME1 playthroughs I don't recruit him
 

I'm sure themikefest would have something to say about this, heh. From what I've learnt from themikefest's posts, the rest of the franchise more or less completely disregards that it's an option at all and the NPCs tend to forget that you didn't recruit him if you decided to go that route in ME1.

If he's not recruited in ME1, he somehow knows Kirrahe when taken on Sur'Kesh. The same can be said about Liara. How does she know Kirrahe if she's rescued after Virmire? The other thing is if Garrus is not recruited in ME1, Shepard never goes to Illium to see Liara, Liara and Garrus will know each other by name when seen on Menae. If Garrus died on the suicide mission, Liara will mention Garrus' name. That's hard to do if they've never met.

Another thing is if Garrus is recruited in ME1 and taken to Horizon, both he and Ashley will mention each other by name. I'm sure it would be the same is Kaidan is on Horizon. If Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he won't know Ashley and on his recruitment mission he will say just like old times to Shepard. What are these old times?

When people talk about choices mattering, I bring up Garrus as an example that my choices don't matter. Its a small choice, but still its a choice to recruit or not recruit Garrus in ME1. Apparently Bioware overlooked that detail.
 

I think I read it somewhere either in Things that don't make sense or The Little Things You Just Discovered... if I'm not mistaken. (Yes, I've read all the pages of both those threads. I regret nothing.)

I read through them at least once a month so I don't post something that has been mentioned by myself or someone else
 

I admit I'm not that much of a Garrus fan, but I always recruit him in ME1. Or at least I have done so for all my playthroughs so far. I mean, I like him, he's my Shepard's bro, but I don't have particularly strong feelings about him, I guess.

I'm not a fan of Garrus
 
 

Hm, as much as I like Liara, I admit that I feel like there is a push from the writer to include her as much as possible. We have two DLCs where she's completely essential, for example. And you can never really stay away from Garrus for too long in any of the three games, either. Unless you intentionally skip or delay recruiting him in the first two games while replaying.

Garrus can be avoided very easily. Don't recruit him in ME1 and if you do, ignore him for the whole game. In ME2 he can be ignored the whole time and even be killed on the suicide mission. In ME3, he's only seen with Shepard on Menae and in a cutscene with Victus and Shepard after the genophage has been cured or sabotaged. The rest of the time he can be ignored
 
 

[Flaine1996]

A lot of my ME1 playthroughs I don't recruit him

If he's not recruited in ME1, he somehow knows Kirrahe when taken on Sur'Kesh. The same can be said about Liara. How does she know Kirrahe if she's rescued after Virmire? The other thing is if Garrus is not recruited in ME1, Shepard never goes to Illium to see Liara, Liara and Garrus will know each other by name when seen on Menae. If Garrus died on the suicide mission, Liara will mention Garrus' name. That's hard to do if they've never met.

Another thing is if Garrus is recruited in ME1 and taken to Horizon, both he and Ashley will mention each other by name. I'm sure it would be the same is Kaidan is on Horizon. If Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he won't know Ashley and on his recruitment mission he will say just like old times to Shepard. What are these old times?

When people talk about choices mattering, I bring up Garrus as an example that my choices don't matter. Its a small choice, but still its a choice to recruit or not recruit Garrus in ME1. Apparently Bioware overlooked that detail.

I read through them at least once a month so I don't post something that has been mentioned by myself or someone else

I'm not a fan of Garrus


Garrus can be avoided very easily. Don't recruit him in ME1 and if you do, ignore him for the whole game. In ME2 he can be ignored the whole time and even be killed on the suicide mission. In ME3, he's only seen with Shepard on Menae and in a cutscene with Victus and Shepard after the genophage has been cured or sabotaged. The rest of the time he can be ignored

Maybe if u didn't recruit liara she mind melds Shepard and thinks about garrus? Actually scratch that its waay go creepy to think about >.>

[themikefest]

What would Kaidan's reaction be and what would he say if he knew Liara handed Shepard's body to Cerberus?

[Flaine1996]

What would Kaidan's reaction be and what would he say if he knew Liara handed Shepard's body to Cerberus?

 

I figured he'd probably be angry at first but will try to understand and if he does outburst to liara probably apologize... He's a really really nice guy that he wouldn't hold the grudge for too long...

[Vanilka]

What would Kaidan's reaction be and what would he say if he knew Liara handed Shepard's body to Cerberus?

 

Well, that would be something to see and I'd be very interested in that. He is really upset with Shepard when he finds out she is with Cerberus on Horizon. He later apologises for what he said, but it still made him explode back on Horizon. He really hates Cerberus and part of his growth as a character in the franchise is getting to understand that not everybody associated with Cerberus is a terrible person. Because of this, depending on when she'd tell him, his reaction might change a bit. But I can't see him too happy about such a development. She still gave Shepard's body to terrorists, to an organisation outlawed in the Council space, organisation he has nothing but atrocious experience with. He could easily see it as betrayal and unacceptable thing to do. Would it be friendship-breaking material for him? I don't know. But he also tends to be fairly forgiving if the reasons are good enough (If you can ever justify to him giving his friend's/lover's body to terrorists despite knowing "they would use you for their own business and I let that happen".) and he's grateful that Shepard is back, too, which wouldn't be possible if Liara didn't do the thing. I imagine he would get angry at first, then be pretty torn about it, and might perhaps eventually come to terms with it. Let's say that their relationship could get really interesting if he knew about it.

 

Well, that's my take anyway.

[themikefest]

Here's another question

 

If you had the opportunity, as Shepard, to tell Kaidan that it was Liara that handed your body to Cerberus, would you?

[Flaine1996]

Here's another question

 

If you had the opportunity, as Shepard, to tell Kaidan that it was Liara that handed your body to Cerberus, would you?

 

For me I would, but as my shepard probably not since it might lead to them having bad blood during wartime and all but after everything is calmer, and since my shep lived *fingers crossed* she'd tell him... but I definitely want to see his reaction!

[Vanilka]

Here's another question

 

If you had the opportunity, as Shepard, to tell Kaidan that it was Liara that handed your body to Cerberus, would you?

 

Damn, that's a tough one. Good one, though.

 

I guess that would depend on Shepard I was playing and whether Kaidan was romanced. Personally, I believe that's something Liara should do and that she should feel that it's the right thing to do if Kaidan was romanced. Romanced or not, I would tell him if he asked or wondered about how Cerberus even got Shepard's body. I would never lie to him. But I'm not so sure I would bring it up myself unless necessary because I would be worried it would stir some bad blood between them about something that happened, what, three years ago and something that's far beyond fixing... which is something we don't need while trying to deal with a Reaper invasion. So, yeah, seems that my answer to this would be, "I'm not sure. Depends. But I'd rather Liara felt she owes Shepard's love interest an explanation."

[Flaine1996]

Damn, that's a tough one. Good one, though.

 

I guess that would depend on Shepard I was playing and whether Kaidan was romanced. Personally, I believe that's something Liara should do and that she should feel that it's the right thing to do if Kaidan was romanced. Romanced or not, I would tell him if he asked or wondered about how Cerberus even got Shepard's body. I would never lie to him. But I'm not so sure I would bring it up myself unless necessary because I would be worried it would stir some bad blood between them about something that happened, what, three years ago and something that's far beyond fixing... which is something we don't need while trying to deal with a Reaper invasion. So, yeah, seems that my answer to this would be, "I'm not sure. Depends. But I'd rather Liara felt she owes Shepard's love interest an explanation."

 

summarized my feelings quite nicely too xD.... Liara also owes an explanation why she took my dog tags and didnt give them to my love interest... Also why did she put my armor in a glass case? I mean srsly girl I went renegade on ur ass in ME1 >.> <.< >.<

[Vanilka]

summarized my feelings quite nicely too xD.... Liara also owes an explanation why she took my dog tags and didnt give them to my love interest... Also why did she put my armor in a glass case? I mean srsly girl I went renegade on ur ass in ME1 >.> <.< >.<

Yeah, it's interesting that she would have such attachment issues if Shepard treated her badly. I liked themikefest's suggestion a few posts back, saying that maybe they should've left Liara out of this and just have Cerberus recover the body on their own. It would make more sense, I guess. But then we'd have the Lair of the Shadow Broker just hanging there on a whole lot of nothing.

[Flaine1996]

Yeah, it's interesting that she would have such attachment issues if Shepard treated her badly. I liked themikefest's suggestion a few posts back, saying that maybe they should've left Liara out of this and just have Cerberus recover the body on their own. It would make more sense, I guess. But then we'd have the Lair of the Shadow Broker just hanging there on a whole lot of nothing.

True... But couldn't they incorporate the shadow broker in another way? I find it also a bit off how liara can pull off the shadow broker just. Like. That. I mean doesn't it take like alot of training to be this calm collected person-controlling to be the next big bad shadow broker? I mean liara was a bit soft and not much people person? But I guess she changed after 2 years reeeeaalllllyyy drastically >.>

[aoibhealfae]

 

What would Kaidan's reaction be and what would he say if he knew Liara handed Shepard's body to Cerberus?

 

I suppose it would be the same as his reaction in Mass Effect 3, cautious, aggresive and yet hopeful. Wondering if it was the same person or a clone or a Cerberus android. He wouldn't be senselessly angry about it but he would probably try to persuade Shepard to come home and talk about how Cerberus is trying to manipulate her for their own agenda (which they did). 

 

 

Here's another question

 

If you had the opportunity, as Shepard, to tell Kaidan that it was Liara that handed your body to Cerberus, would you?

 

Probably not. Shepard's first response to her "I am dead but I am alive" situation was to bottle up everything and act like everything is alright. I think she had what Starbuck had in season 4 Battlestar Galactica after she found out that she was really dead and she don't know what she is anymore. I think Shepard would want to keep Kaidan in the dark for as long as she can while she sort out the mess she was in... which is exactly what she did in ME2.. sigh..

 

But it was something Liara should do it herself. Kaidan probably would ask all the right question and he probably will be mad at first and be understanding later... that's how he's wired.

[Flaine1996]

I suppose it would be the same as his reaction in Mass Effect 3, cautious, aggresive and yet hopeful. Wondering if it was the same person or a clone or a Cerberus android. He wouldn't be senselessly angry about it but he would probably try to persuade Shepard see about how Cerberus is trying to manipulate them.



Probably not. Shepard's first response to her "I am dead but I am alive" situation was to bottle up everything and act like everything is alright. I think she had what Starbuck had in season 4 Battlestar Galactica after she found out that she was really dead and she don't know what she is anymore. I think Shepard would want to keep Kaidan in the dark for as long as she can while she sort out the mess she was in... which is exactly what she did in ME2.. sigh..

But it was something Liara should do it herself. Kaidan probably would ask all the right question and he probably will be mad at first and be understanding later... that's how he's wired.

I agree with this soo much xD

[Flaine1996]

I suppose it would be the same as his reaction in Mass Effect 3, cautious, aggresive and yet hopeful. Wondering if it was the same person or a clone or a Cerberus android. He wouldn't be senselessly angry about it but he would probably try to persuade Shepard see about how Cerberus is trying to manipulate them.



Probably not. Shepard's first response to her "I am dead but I am alive" situation was to bottle up everything and act like everything is alright. I think she had what Starbuck had in season 4 Battlestar Galactica after she found out that she was really dead and she don't know what she is anymore. I think Shepard would want to keep Kaidan in the dark for as long as she can while she sort out the mess she was in... which is exactly what she did in ME2.. sigh..

But it was something Liara should do it herself. Kaidan probably would ask all the right question and he probably will be mad at first and be understanding later... that's how he's wired.

I agree with this soo much xD

[Vanilka]

True... But couldn't they incorporate the shadow broker in another way? I find it also a bit off how liara can pull off the shadow broker just. Like. That. I mean doesn't it take like alot of training to be this calm collected person-controlling to be the next big bad shadow broker? I mean liara was a bit soft and not much people person? But I guess she changed after 2 years reeeeaalllllyyy drastically >.>

 

Yeah, I think it would just have to get rewritten to make sense.

 

As for the Shadow Broker stuff. Yeah, I don't know. Liara definitely changed. Hell, walking in on her threatening to flay somebody with her mind, that was quite a shock. I don't know how realistic it is for her to be able to handle shadow-broking. Personally, I think a single person could never handle such a thing. As in, no person. Then again, I can't imagine what it really takes to be the Shadow Broker. It was strange to see Liara handle it so well, but weirder things happened, I guess.

[Flaine1996]

Yeah, I think it would just have to get rewritten to make sense.

As for the Shadow Broker stuff. Yeah, I don't know. Liara definitely changed. Hell, walking in on her threatening to flay somebody with her mind, that was quite a shock. I don't know how realistic it is for her to be able to handle shadow-broking. Personally, I think a single person could never handle such a thing. As in, no person. Then again, I can't imagine what it really takes to be the Shadow Broker. It was strange to see Liara handle it so well, but weirder things happened, I guess.

Chalking it up to spending too much time with renegade shep or wrex XD well it could explain alot of things... I guess ahaha

[aoibhealfae]

Mass Effect Redemption happened a month after Normandy was destroyed... and around several months after the Battle of Citadel. Unrecruited or recruited, Garrus should already be at Omega. In Mass Effect Homeworlds, he quit almost immediately after he returned to C-Sec and went to pursue the drug traffickers all the way to Omega. It made more sense if it was Garrus who accidentally stumble across the exchange than Liara having to pay off mercenaries to take her to Omega and prevent the exchange and Cerberus would make a deal. Then again the comics were written for Liara by a Liara fan who is unsatisfied with her character in ME1... and everyone else is an afterthought. (then again, this is the company who think its a good idea to put Jessica Chobot in their game.... )

 

 

Garrus can be avoided very easily. Don't recruit him in ME1 and if you do, ignore him for the whole game. In ME2 he can be ignored the whole time and even be killed on the suicide mission. In ME3, he's only seen with Shepard on Menae and in a cutscene with Victus and Shepard after the genophage has been cured or sabotaged. The rest of the time he can be ignored

 

 

I think you're the one who make me think more about Garrus critically. But yeah, I find its weird that he didn't matter much to the story alive or dead other than additional dialogues and scenes. I find its disappointing that his existence didn't matter much to make the Krogan-Turian peace work.... at least Tali need to be alive for the Geth and the Quarians to achieve peace.

 

But yeah.. there's Shepard without Vakarian and Shepard is fine without him.

[themikefest]

Yeah, it's interesting that she would have such attachment issues if Shepard treated her badly. I liked themikefest's suggestion a few posts back, saying that maybe they should've left Liara out of this and just have Cerberus recover the body on their own. It would make more sense, I guess. But then we'd have the Lair of the Shadow Broker just hanging there on a whole lot of nothing.

True... But couldn't they incorporate the shadow broker in another way? I find it also a bit off how liara can pull off the shadow broker just. Like. That. I mean doesn't it take like alot of training to be this calm collected person-controlling to be the next big bad shadow broker? I mean liara was a bit soft and not much people person? But I guess she changed after 2 years reeeeaalllllyyy drastically >.>

I mentioned a couple of times what I would do about that.

 

Shepard receives information from Cerberus as to who to get in contact with to find Samara and Thane. On Illium, Shepard sees Liara. She mentions that for the last 2 years she has been studying prothean ruins to find a way to stop the reapers. She just happen to be on Illium getting supplies to go to another digsite. She mentions that she noticed mercs watching her, but doesn't know why. She got in contact with someone to see why they're watching her.  She gives the person's name and possible location of the individual. This starts the broker dlc

 

Shepard and squad head to the location and the dlc plays out the same except no Liara. When Shepard finds the person, he/she is dead and that's when Shepard encounters Visor. She has the information

 

Once Shepard faces the shadow broker, if paragon/renegade is high enough, the broker can be convinced to help find a way to stop the reapers. He gives all the information he knows about the protheans to Shepard who forwards it to Liara. During ME3, the broker will send emails to Shepard on where to gather assets

 

If Shepard is not able to convince the broker to help, the broker is killed. Shepard sends all information about the protheans to Liara. He then destroys the ship. This will have an effect in ME3 by not having any chance to receive any war assets from the broker.

 

If the dlc is not completed, the broker sends the prothean information to Liara who will mention this when seen on Mars. The broker will send emails to Shepard during ME3 on where to find assets.

[themikefest]

Yeah, I think it would just have to get rewritten to make sense.

 

As for the Shadow Broker stuff. Yeah, I don't know. Liara definitely changed. Hell, walking in on her threatening to flay somebody with her mind, that was quite a shock. I don't know how realistic it is for her to be able to handle shadow-broking. Personally, I think a single person could never handle such a thing. As in, no person. Then again, I can't imagine what it really takes to be the Shadow Broker. It was strange to see Liara handle it so well, but weirder things happened, I guess.

For me she didn't change. Saying a couple of lines doesn't change a person. That comment she make about flaying someone was a joke especailly when Shepard asks her about it. What made me laugh is her saying 'Have you ever seen an asari commando before? Few humans have.' That's the same line her mother said on Noveria. Those commandos were a joke. I wanted to say to her 'Have you seen a human spectre before? Few asari have."

 

I've seens posts about people saying how she became ruthless. No she didn't. Look what happens after the broker is killed. She cries like a little baby. Gotta love that ruthless.

 

For me if were to romance Kaidan, I would tell him that it was Liara that handed my body to Cerberus. Or I would tell Liara to tell him that. The only reason I can come up with why no one was told was so there would be no friction between Liara and the other ME1 characters. She would be worried about losing their friendship since she really had no friends, that I know of anyways, when seen in ME1.

[Monica21]

For me if were to romance Kaidan, I would tell him that it was Liara that handed my body to Cerberus. Or I would tell Liara to tell him that. The only reason I can come up with why no one was told was so there would be no friction between Liara and the other ME1 characters. She would be worried about losing their friendship since she really had no friends, that I know of anyways, when seen in ME1.

 

I would have told Kaidan probably the second time you visit him in the hospital. Maybe Kaidan says something about seeing Liara on Mars and it gives you the opening to not tell him, say something like, "she saved me," or "she changed everything." The latter implying that you're not necessarily okay with the implications of being brought back to life. I'd like to have seen Kaidan's character be a little weightier in ME3 and a conflict with Liara, even if it's short-lived, would have accomplished that.

[Vanilka]

For me she didn't change. Saying a couple of lines doesn't change a person. That comment she make about flaying someone was a joke especailly when Shepard asks her about it. What made me laugh is her saying 'Have you ever seen an asari commando before? Few humans have.' That's the same line her mother said on Noveria. Those commandos were a joke. I wanted to say to her 'Have you seen a human spectre before? Few asari have."
 
I've seens posts about people saying how she became ruthless. No she didn't. Look what happens after the broker is killed. She cries like a little baby. Gotta love that ruthless.
 
For me if were to romance Kaidan, I would tell him that it was Liara that handed my body to Cerberus. Or I would tell Liara to tell him that. The only reason I can come up with why no one was told was so there would be no friction between Liara and the other ME1 characters. She would be worried about losing their friendship since she really had no friends, that I know of anyways, when seen in ME1.

 

I see what you mean. You make an interesting point.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call her ruthless myself, either, but she felt like a different person to me. Hearing her quoting her mother - yes, I did notice - was really odd for me, I guess. But it wasn't just that. She was a kid to me in ME1, a little kitten somehow wielding a pistol. (And I don't mean it in a bad way.) Then she went from "I would prefer lengthier studies and fewer explosions," to hunting down the Shadow Broker on her own, being unusually resourceful, not looking back when Shepard fell off a building, etc. I don't know what it was exactly, but I felt change. If anything, she felt like a stranger to me. (It might be because she was written by different people in ME1 and ME2.) I've also never really blamed her for crying. I sure as hell don't know what was going on with her during those two years, but to me she seemed strained more than anything. I agree that "ruthless" is not a word I'd describe her with.
 
As for telling Kaidan, I agree. I think that, because I like them both, my biggest worry would be that I'd do more damage to their friendship than... well... anything else, just to get it off my chest. I mean, would that be selfish or...? I don't know. But on the other hand, I think romanced Kaidan deserves an explanation and I could see myself wanting to talk about it, as well. It wasn't a small thing that Shepard went through. Not in the slightest. And perhaps Kaidan would take it better somehow broken down from Shepard after all. I suppose that, if I were Shepard, I'd first think long and hard about whether and how to go about it. I guess it wouldn't be a decision I'd make in a day. But I know I'd want to because... hell, when do we get to talk about Shepard's death, resurrection and stuff around it? When do we get to explain ourselves? Pretty much never. I still don't know what the point of killing Shepard off in ME2 was if it's nothing but brushed off until that short moment towards the end of ME3.