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ME2 was filled with a lot of inconsistencies that at times I just ignore its flaws (particularly with the DLCs). I know everyone love the game but boy it was riddled with a lot of plot-holes... and whenever I get this feeling, I write fanfiction and fill in with headcanons.
 
Since Normandy was destroyed a month after the final scene in ME1, I headcanoned that it happens several months after Saren was defeated. This answers to why the Presidium were cleared up and look pretty and during this period, Shepard and Kaidan continued their relationship in secret. As officers, I don't think anyone have a problem with them having a relationship but it was problematic since they're both still attached to the Normandy. One of them still need to leave before they got into more trouble. I think Kaidan was prepared to do so and obviously they had plans for their future before they were ripped apart by heartless writers who don't give a crap about them. 
 
In ME2, I reasoned enough that Kaidan's absence didn't bother me much, he need to be in the story to make his presence felt. During the Normandy destruction scene, we get to see the last time Kaidan made a decision to abandon her to save the rest of the crew and that was the last time he saw her alive. We don't actually know what happened in the two years while he was mourning except that he became Anderson's right-hand man, I think he part-time as an instructor and he was already running spec ops with his biotic teams before they made it official and gave him a proper division. And Joker hate him. That last bit was mind-boggling until I realized that Joker had a crush on Shepard and everything made perfect sense. 
 
And then the interesting bits with The Illusive Man/Shepard/Kaidan dynamic. TIM did constantly threatened Kaidan's life to control and manipulate Shepard. Imagine if Shepard was too late and Kaidan was taken, he could have died at the Collector Ship and then she could have watch him die at the Collector Base. I wouldn't hold it against her to want to stay away from Kaidan to keep him safe and I think he realize that much later. That's why he pursued her rather than she pursuing him back.
 
I wished there's an alternate scene where TIM would threaten to kill Joker and Chakwas if Shepard refused to work with them. But I guess it would ruin the "Cerberus is harmless" vibe he was trying to sell.


Headcannon really does fix everything :D because if we don't the plot has so many holes and jarring inconsistencies :( though keeping their relationship a secret is probably the best route since regulations and fraternization is frowned upon by the alliance tho it all goes to hell in ME3 when everyone starts too hook up but we'll end of the world and all that xD though I kinda want to know how you think joker coukdnhave a crush on shep? I see the hints but I'd like to know your details about it :) annnd the thing in horizon did scare me a bit cuz I was worried they'd go down that route with kaidan caught and turned to some liquified version of himself >.< gawd... Thankfully though he managed to escape I'm going with biotics and luck... Though I love how he is more confident in ME3 and starts to well pursue her first :D I actually see tkm subtly threatening shep if she still refuses to help them after horizon but I also can see shep being so duty bound that she can see there's a real threat going on so she has to push on no matter what :(
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In ME3, if you haven't lock in romance yet by the time Joker and EDI move to Purgatory club, you can flirt with him. Shepard will say something about both of them possibly having something but Joker would consider it before turning her down. If you had a prior relationship with Kaidan before, he would say that "He isn't Kaidan" and he's not the kind of person who would be okay about dating his boss and messing up with the chain of command (which is a jibe against Kaidan). In ME2, in one of the conversation lines, Joker basically scolded Shepard about dating Kaidan.

 

I also canon-ed that Shepard and Kaidan resumed their relationship after ME2 and then they had a fallout before ME3. Kaidan seemed awfully relaxed for someone who got his girlfriend back from the dead and Shepard doesn't seem to be perturbed about his love proclamations. Plus, their dialogues seems vague from the start. He wanted them to be happy and he wanted it to be real for them. He took her out to dinner and it does sound like they did it frequently and then he made her dinner. It doesn't seem like they're just dating to me, they're settling down... I find its adorable...


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In ME3, if you haven't lock in romance yet by the time Joker and EDI move to Purgatory club, you can flirt with him. Shepard will say something about both of them possibly having something but Joker would consider it before turning her down. If you had a prior relationship with Kaidan before, he would say that "He isn't Kaidan" and he's not the kind of person who would be okay about dating his boss and messing up with the chain of command (which is a jibe against Kaidan). In ME2, in one of the conversation lines, Joker basically scolded Shepard about dating Kaidan.

 

I also canon-ed that Shepard and Kaidan resumed their relationship after ME2 and then they had a fallout before ME3. Kaidan seemed awfully relaxed for someone who got his girlfriend back from the dead and Shepard doesn't seem to be perturbed about his love proclamations. Plus, their dialogues seems vague from the start. He wanted them to be happy and he wanted it to be real for them. He took her out to dinner and it does sound like they did it frequently and then he made her dinner. It doesn't seem like they're just dating to me, they're settling down... I find its adorable...

Really? Can you tell me the line? or when does it happen? i really want to hear this xD though i have heard of his line referring to Kaidan when you do try to hook him up with EDI and asked about you and him XD though i havent heard the unromanced version of it... Also the 6 months between ME2 and ME3 is reaaaaalllyy long so nobody could know what couldve happened at that time :) 



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I think you can only flirt with Joker if you haven't yet lock-in with anyone. As for the ME2, I think its the paragon line where Shepard said "He moved on. I can't blame him." and Joker would mutter something about not dating with the crew. 

 

I notice that only Kaidan was with Shepard during her incarceration (I think there's a message in ME3 Datapad about Kaidan talking about Shepard visiting while he wasn't available). It made sense since Vancouver was the Alliance HQ and it was his home. Everyone else stayed away from Shepard except that Thane tried to contact her when he was on Earth. Kinda sad that everyone only come to her when there's only fighting going on.


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oooh I use that line most of the time though I never interpreted at such gonna see that again since I want to try a new playthrough again XD and I wonder if that datapad is still accessible till now? I think not >.< and also it does make sense since she would be there for 6 months and yeah everybody seems to forget about shep until **** hits the fan though only a few selected people remember >.<


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I think the "He moved on," line actually has Joker tell you that you should consult Kelly if you ever need to talk about it. That's the neutral option ("We're friends. Barely."). The paragon line was something about how everything's okay, which is why I don't use it because it sounds like Shepard lives in denial. And to that, I think, Joker reacts that he is glad that you're taking it so well because he wasn't looking forward to your mood if it went badly and "See? That's why I never date the crew."

 

I should try poking Joker in the Purgatory. I'd never heard of those lines until now. It's true I've never tried hitting on him, but now I'm really curious.

 

I also wish the Datapad stuff was still available somehow. I came too late to enjoy any of it.


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I think the "He moved on," line actually has Joker tell you that you should consult Kelly if you ever need to talk about it. That's the neutral option ("We're friends. Barely."). The paragon line was something about how everything's okay, which is why I don't use it because it sounds like Shepard lives in denial. And to that, I think, Joker reacts that he is glad that you're taking it so well because he wasn't looking forward to your mood if it went badly and "See? That's why I never date the crew."

 

I should try poking Joker in the Purgatory. I'd never heard of those lines until now. It's true I've never really tried hitting on him, but now I'm really curious.

 

I also wish the Datapad stuff was still available somehow. I came too late to enjoy any of it.

 

definitely not alone xD reasons why i feel sad not playing this sooner... and his reaction in the purgatory is funny ive tried it a few times but doesnt fit my character much but you should still try it its a hoot :D


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definitely not alone xD reasons why i feel sad not playing this sooner... and his reaction in the purgatory is funny ive tried it a few times but doesnt fit my character much but you should still try it its a hoot :D

 

Yeah, I'd do it just as an experiment, then reload, because I'm curious. Never thought of doing it before. Thanks for the tip.  :P



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Yeah, I'd do it just as an experiment, then reload, because I'm curious. Never thought of doing it before. Thanks for the tip.  :P

Go go go what I love about this game there are so many things you can discover and some roads you never thought of trying! such replay value and yet i tend to go back to my old canon playthrough meeeh XD im boring that way


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... such replay value and yet i tend to go back to my old canon playthrough...

yea, you and me both...   ^_^ 


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yea, you and me both...   ^_^

I am so glad i am not alone XD Though lots of things we missed.. Thank God for the little things i discovered thread or i would be missing some witty banter and lines from companions xD


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Hi I just want to thank the person that made this don't have a sign in for YouTube so hopefully there on here. Love it kinda tried flirting with Thane but when he starts talking about sunset eyes I think of Kaidan(Cullen okay all them other wonderful brown eyed men Bioware makes and can't cheat on them!!) anyways got to go read some more wonderful fanfic!! Thanks KaidanFan for getting me addicted to a different game you all have a wonderful night!
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http://youtu.be/O46WcOR9rVs

Hi I just want to thank the person that made this don't have a sign in for YouTube so hopefully there on here. Love it kinda tried flirting with Thane but when he starts talking about sunset eyes I think of Kaidan(Cullen okay all them other wonderful brown eyed men Bioware makes and can't cheat on them!!) anyways got to go read some more wonderful fanfic!! Thanks KaidanFan for getting me addicted to a different game you all have a wonderful night!


Nice vid! Thanks for sharing :)
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Nice vid! Thanks for sharing :)




Thanks I didn't make it though been watching a lot of Ejs on there thought the search for shepherd was a DLC. Oh man so would of paid much for it.
Have a question why can't you put your gun away in 3? ME is my only every first shooter game hate that I can't put it away? Okay have another question off topic watching my son play Reddead redemption the other day how did zombies get in the old west? My son just rolled his eyes at me? Teenagers
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Thanks I didn't make it though been watching a lot of Ejs on there thought the search for shepherd was a DLC. Oh man so would of paid much for it.
Have a question why can't you put your gun away in 3? ME is my only every first shooter game hate that I can't put it away? Okay have another question off topic watching my son play Reddead redemption the other day how did zombies get in the old west? My son just rolled his eyes at me? Teenagers

well as far as i know in ME1 and ME2 you can put it away as for ME3 never really bothered trying to hide my gun cuz u are in a war zone 24/7 XD but i shall try to see again if i can... as for Red dead Redemption... Zombies and western are cool? i feel like it was heavily influenced by Walking dead XD ahahah


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Haven't been playing Mass Effect lately as I've been playing SWTOR. After playing a righteous Jedi Knight, a conflicted Sith Goddess, a psychotic former-slave Space Mage and Spectre F!Hawke, I think I'm giving up trying to play Mass Effect other than my canon playthrough, I still have unfinished Liaramance/Traynormance/EveryoneIsDead/AshleyIsAlive/FailShep/BroSheps saves but they don't give me feels as my canon, Shep/Kaidan. I'm okay with that, I'll wait for Andromeda and see if it checks out with my PC (probably not) and replay them again.

 

So after eliminating the Heretics from Armstrong Nebula, I went up to Kaidan and realized he has a thing to say to me. Its his Rahna convo but I notice something new too (even after hearing the convo several dozen times already).

 

That's your training talking : "So can I guess this will add to your resentment against aliens?"

Jennifer Hale sounded so.. derp and tired like she had listen to this so many times. 

 

"Full biotic kick right in the teeth. Almost as strong as I could manage it, you know. At 17, that's something."

"Sat down by a kid. Vyrnnus must hated that."

"He didn't have time to hate it. I killed him."

and then;

"I hated that turian but he wasn't a turian to me. He was Vyrnnus."

 

It was weird and very different than Ashley's conversation about how she was "entitled" to her resentment meanwhile as a kid, Kaidan killed one who tried to killed him and it nearly ruined him. 

 
and lol, I didn't notice this slip up: "I wont be a burden on you--- on the crew." and he was blinking rapidly. He's such a bad liar.

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Haven't been playing Mass Effect lately as I've been playing SWTOR. After playing a righteous Jedi Knight, a conflicted Sith Goddess, a psychotic former-slave Space Mage and Spectre F!Hawke, I think I'm giving up trying to play Mass Effect other than my canon playthrough, I still have unfinished Liaramance/Traynormance/EveryoneIsDead/AshleyIsAlive/FailShep/BroSheps saves but they don't give me feels as my canon, Shep/Kaidan. I'm okay with that, I'll wait for Andromeda and see if it checks out with my PC (probably not) and replay them again.

 

So after eliminating the Heretics from Armstrong Nebula, I went up to Kaidan and realized he has a thing to say to me. Its his Rahna convo but I notice something new too (even after hearing the convo several dozen times already).

 

That's your training talking : "So can I guess this will add to your resentment against aliens?"

Jennifer Hale sounded so.. derp and tired like she had listen to this so many times. 

 

"Full biotic kick right in the teeth. Almost as strong as I could manage it, you know. At 17, that's something."

"Sat down by a kid. Vyrnnus must hated that."

"He didn't have time to hate it. I killed him."

and then;

"I hated that turian but he wasn't a turian to me. He was Vyrnnus."

 

It was weird and very different than Ashley's conversation about how she was "entitled" to her resentment meanwhile as a kid, Kaidan killed one who tried to killed him and it nearly ruined him. 

 
and lol, I didn't notice this slip up: "I wont be a burden on you--- on the crew." and he was blinking rapidly. He's such a bad liar.

 

It just goes to show for me how kaidan really is kind and that is one of my most fave convos plus i love renegade shep lines where she agrees killing vyrnnus was a god idea and he doesnt believe that XD also just wondering as a femshep can u change ashleys view regarding aliens? just curious.... and hadnt really notice that slip up.... awwww Kaidan <3


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"Full biotic kick right in the teeth. Almost as strong as I could manage it, you know. At 17, that's something."

"Sat down by a kid. Vyrnnus must hated that."

"He didn't have time to hate it. I killed him."

and then;

"I hated that turian but he wasn't a turian to me. He was Vyrnnus."

 

It was weird and very different than Ashley's conversation about how she was "entitled" to her resentment meanwhile as a kid, Kaidan killed one who tried to killed him and it nearly ruined him. 

 
and lol, I didn't notice this slip up: "I wont be a burden on you--- on the crew." and he was blinking rapidly. He's such a bad liar.

 

 

I love this convo because it tells so much about him. How sweet and open-minded he is. He could easily resent aliens or at least turians with the undeniably brutal experience he has and it wouldn't be much of a surprise, but he doesn't. He could easily paint Rahna as this mean young woman that wronged him, but he doesn't. That's really refreshing in comparison with the usual I-got-hurt-so-now-I-am-forever-angry-about-it kind of thing. That's not to mock characters with tragic past, but this is something new and amazing to me that all that trouble only made him wiser and kinder and, while you can kind of kiss his booboo better, he doesn't need you to fix him because he already has his sh♡t together.

I think you can also get the "He wasn't a turian to me," line with another dialogue option because I've never tried this one yet. (Unfortunately, I can't remember which one it was, though.)

The one with him being "a burden" makes me go aww. His slips are the cutest thing.
 

Have a question why can't you put your gun away in 3? ME is my only every first shooter game hate that I can't put it away?

 

I think it was something about the lack of memory on consoles or some bull like that. It is not possible to holster your weapon in ME3. If you're on PC, you can tweak your game to be able to do it, but because there are no holster animations made for it, as far as I know, it's a little wonky and holstering your weapon will always have to save and reload your game. That means that if you have your weapon holstered and run into enemies, you won't be able to draw it and the characters won't do it automatically. I can't find the thread where I learnt how to do that but if you want to, I can post the solution here.
 

Okay have another question off topic watching my son play Reddead redemption the other day how did zombies get in the old west? My son just rolled his eyes at me? Teenagers

 
I haven't played Red Dead Redemption, but I'd say that's a perfectly good question. Wild West is not where I'd expect to see zombies, either. I mean, it's caused by what? Ghosts, curse, virus? I don't expect bio weapons at work there. Seems that Google will be more helpful than your son in this, though.


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"So that's why you're so self-controlled."

"I'm no more disciplined than any other biotic, Shepard. This is all ancient history. I'm over it."

"You agonized about doing the right thing and you never let yourself lose control because Rahna spurned you after Vyrnnus died." *derp-face*

 

Normally, I never like using Rahna line since I prefer his Vyrnnus dialogue in ME3 but since I'm not importing this playthrough so I let the conversation float around Rahna the Snowflake. But I like that the first thing he said after he tried to loosen up was talking about shore leave together. Very one-track mind guy.

 

And I love the way their characters develop throughout the trilogy and a lot of in-game non-romance scenes felt more meaningful with both of them together. Even the way Shepard gasp his name when he get pulled to the beacon. Come to think of it, I don't think I remember her calling him as anything but "Lieutenant" and "Alenko" in all of their regular conversation even when the sexual tension gets really thick until he came to her before Ilos. 


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Actually i think you can still get the vyrnnus dialogue even if you dont finish up the whole vyrnnus conversation i actually mix it up until i reach the line where shepard asks what happened between him and Rahna and I still get kaidans mention about vyrnnus in ME3... Unless he has another line about Vyrnnus in ME3 i dont know about >.> and yah he does seem like a one-track minded guy in ME1 ahaha maybe because first woman to make him feel human :3 also I dont remember much either shep calling him kaidan during any of the missions in ME1 or she did and I dont remember... Must replay ME1 soon *.* so thanks aoibhealfae i now want to replay it all again <3


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Okay guys been surfing YouTube and this made me cry. But I found that in my head this is my ending here!



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Okay you all so I showed my sisters an brothers a couple videos of ME so they all ordered there new combo all together of Amazon but my sisters fell in love with this video. We don't keep up on games but even 8 years later there amazing.My nephew has just ME3 an my sister is like why would you just play 3 she's like me has to start at the beginning. Anyway here's the video and I have to go get clothes off the line


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I'd never seen this picture that Bioware tweeted a couple of years ago but stumbled across it today. Is that grey hair or am I imagining it?

 

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I'd never seen this picture that Bioware tweeted a couple of years ago but stumbled across it today. Is that grey hair or am I imagining it?

 

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Wow never really saw this before and its beautiful <3.<3 and well Kaidan ages wonderfully <3 <3 <3



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Kaidan did have grey hair or some people called it salt and pepper or George Clooney hair. The only way to see them in ME1 was through direct lighting but I did replace his texture with HD version. In ME2, they changed his look and the screen tint made them appear darker.

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