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[silver1881]

Golden Owl wrote...

Two more questions:

1.) Do you think Kaidan will be Sheps knew XO?

2.) Do you think Kaidan was ultimately really made made a Spectre at this time to keep an eye on Shep....Kaidan's own credentials not with standing for this question.

1) I could see that happening, but it's hard to say without knowing the circumstances.

2) This is a definite possibility, but I think it would be more of a fringe benefit than a reason. The council needs another human Spectre, and what better candidate than an accomplished Marine who was at the side of the savior of the Citadel? He can do the job, but has the added benefits of appeasing the human councilor, having a closer tie to Shep and by extension Cerberus, and being good PR. 

Modifié par silver1881, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[ChaplainTappman]

Golden Owl wrote...

Two more questions:

1.) Do you think Kaidan will be Sheps knew XO?

2.) Do you think Kaidan was ultimately really made made a Spectre at this time to keep an eye on Shep....Kaidan's own credentials not with standing for this question.

1) Probably not, since he has to be able to leave the Normandy and act as Shepard's squadmate. You could go down another notch on the chain of command, but I think it's more likely that the XO will be someone else. Joker, maybe (he is an officer), or a new character.

2) Again, probably not. I've no doubt that the Alliance and the Council want to keep an eye on Shepard, but it'd be pretty silly to expect one of Shepard's closest friends to rein him in. I suspect someone will serve that role (possibly the new XO), but it won't be Kaidan/Ash.

Kaidan/Ash was probably made a Spectre because, as silver1881 said, there'd be political pressure to name another human Spectre. The VS has the benefit of having basically already acted as a Spectre during the hunt for Saren. They understand the job and how you're expected to operate. It makes for less of a adjustment period.

[Gilsa]

Re: Kaidan spectre

Whether or not Shepard is reinstated as a Spectre in ME2, the council still doesn't have a spectre that is in contact with them. IIRC, they didn't even want to speak with Shepard in ME2. So I can see Kaidan filling that role to keep them updated. I doubt it'd be to keep an eye on Shepard. I wonder if it's possible to avoid recruiting Kaidan entirely. Like we could sell Legion and keep Grunt in his tank. I've always gotten the squad members out of habit so I never tried to see if I could avoid getting Archangel or Jack, for example. We were stuck with Miranda and Jacob though and since VS has a "big role" in ME3, they probably have similar plot armor. Hmm.

[LuluMae]

@ Mandalina I play on 360

@Golden Owl
I agree that he'd make a good SpecTRe (it's just fun to type it that way) because of all the other reasons everyone else pointed out so well. As for your other two questions:

1) I don't think so. I imagine the VS will be there in part to keep an eye on Shepard and mostly because he/she is already so familiar with the Reaper situation, but I think the Alliance would put a neutral party that won't be on Shepard's ground team as the XO. Miranda technically served as XO while on ground team but I'll blame that on Cerberus' less formal chain of command. And to a lesser extent, there is the fact that I'm sure a lot of fans would rage at BioWare if the VS was in a position of authority, even if it's below Shepard's, since they didn't take kindly to Horizon.

2) I kind of get the feeling that Kaidan's SpecTRe status was already in the making by ME2 because the Council and the Alliance brass wanted a Shepard replacement. I think he would be the perfect candidate for the reasons Chaplain Tappman listed about him needing less of an adjustment period.

Man, I have a bad habit of random kamikaze drops on this thread.

Modifié par LuluMae, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:20 .

[Caseshep]

Bekkael wrote...
You don't even want to know how badly I need to know what Kaidan was going to say before Joker interrupts!  I don't mind Joker getting Shep spaced nearly as much as his repeated Kaidan c***blockery. Grr! Notice he never interrupted anything in the ME2 romances? <_< I love Joker, but I really wanted to smack him a couple of times in ME.

I didn't mind the ****block at the lockers. I mean, I did, but it left me wanting more, you know? That scene gives me butterflies. :wub:And especially because Joker interrupts, I couldn't wait to see what happened in the romance next. But then the second one I was angry about. I was also kind of weirded out that Kaidan wakes up to Shepard just sitting there staring at him. WHY DIDN'T SHE STAY IN BED WITH HIM.

Golden Owl wrote...

Just wanted to say....I have been thinking about everything said here...and just wanted to thank everyone one for helping me examine my original opinions and change them...thank you.....I am now looking forward to meeting up with Kaidan as a Spectre.

No, thank you for sparking interesting thoughts and discussion.

Gilsa wrote...

Re: Kaidan spectre

Whether or not Shepard is reinstated as a Spectre in ME2, the council still doesn't have a spectre that is in contact with them. IIRC, they didn't even want to speak with Shepard in ME2. So I can see Kaidan filling that role to keep them updated. I doubt it'd be to keep an eye on Shepard. I wonder if it's possible to avoid recruiting Kaidan entirely. Like we could sell Legion and keep Grunt in his tank. I've always gotten the squad members out of habit so I never tried to see if I could avoid getting Archangel or Jack, for example. We were stuck with Miranda and Jacob though and since VS has a "big role" in ME3, they probably have similar plot armor. Hmm.

That's an interesting thought. I doubt it though, especially with Casey's tweet about Kaidan being a big part of the ME3 story, and the fact that BW made sure that Kaidan and Ashley survived in ME2.
Anyway, I always recruit everyone too. I can't imagine not having Legion. He is one of my favorites!

Modifié par Caseshep, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Caseshep wrote...

I was also kind of weirded out that Kaidan wakes up to Shepard just sitting there staring at him. WHY DIDN'T SHE STAY IN BED WITH HIM.

She probably did, for a while. Then she noticed that they were five minutes from the Mu Relay, so she got up and dressed, but couldn't find the heart to wake Kaidan because he looked so sweet and peaceful.

[Caseshep]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Caseshep wrote...

I was also kind of weirded out that Kaidan wakes up to Shepard just sitting there staring at him. WHY DIDN'T SHE STAY IN BED WITH HIM.

She probably did, for a while. Then she noticed that they were five minutes from the Mu Relay, so she got up and dressed, but couldn't find the heart to wake Kaidan because he looked so sweet and peaceful.

Yeahhh you're probably right. I just would have preferred to see them sleeping when Joker interrupts.
And this music with the zoom in on Shepard makes it seem more like a horror scene.

[jeweledleah]

to the otpional, vs non optional squadmates. everyone before Horizon is non optional. you HAVE to recruit them in order for Horizon to trigger. I've actually tested it in one of the games, I did every single side mission I could find, explored every available world, finished firewalker DLC, did loyalty mission for Kasumi and Zaeed, well you get the picture. I just didn't recruit Jack (or was it grunt? - one of the less essential squadmates that don't even give you necessary Normandy upgrades)) - Horizon wouldn't trigger until after I completed that recruitment mission.

after Horizon though? you need a totally of 8 squadmates to triger reaper IFF. out of those squadmates, the only essential one is Tali, because she provides Normandy upgrade and even then - you can not recruit her and finish the game. Thane and Samara are completely optional. you can literally finish the game, and without losing a single person in suicide mission without ever recruiting either one of them.

that said, I'm fairly sure that Kaidan, Liara, Vega and whatever new female squadmate we'll be getting - are mandatory. partly because they are the ones guaranteed to be in every game and partly because Shepard needs to have a minimum of 2 people available to go on missions, and I'm guessing some of the squadmates including mandatory ones - can die as well.

everyone else? optional to some degree.

P.S.  I watch hubby sleep sometimes.  I figured that's what shepard was doing.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:33 .

[Kia Purity]

Caseshep wrote...
I was also kind of weirded out that Kaidan wakes up to Shepard just sitting there staring at him. WHY DIDN'T SHE STAY IN BED WITH HIM.

That actually bugged me too. I "fanwanked" this with my Shep as "slept for a while but woke up because she was nervous about the mission and she got dressed ... as something to do." (And as someone who keeps waking up before her signficant other, in my case, watching him sleep drives him crazy because he knows I'm watching. SOMEHOW. So I end up playing on my handheld gaming consoles.)


I always have to recruit people for my squad because I like having so many choices of who to drag along with me on missions. I'm glad that I won't have to worry about recruiting Kaidan because he'll be there.

Modifié par Kia Purity, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[KawaiiKatie]

jeweledleah wrote...

to the otpional, vs non optional squadmates. everyone before Horizon is non optional. you HAVE to recruit them in order for Horizon to trigger. I've actually tested it in one of the games, I did every single side mission I could find, explored every available world, finished firewalker DLC, did loyalty mission for Kasumi and Zaeed, well you get the picture. I just didn't recruit Jack (or was it grunt? - one of the less essential squadmates that don't even give you necessary Normandy upgrades)) - Horizon wouldn't trigger until after I completed that recruitment mission.

I did the same thing on my most recent play-through, but I did it because I wanted to put off my reunion with Kaidan for as long as possible. I didn't want to be yelled at!

that said, I'm fairly sure that Kaidan, Liara, Vega and whatever new female squadmate we'll be getting - are mandatory. partly because they are the ones guaranteed to be in every game

Agreed. Kaidan will be a mandatory character in ME3, if only so he can confront anyone who didn't stay faithful to him. Making the Virmire Survivor optional would be like letting everyone who romanced Ashley in ME1 simply avoid her in ME3 because they slept with Miranda in ME2... and I doubt that Bioware would let anyone off that easily.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:52 .

[sugaafoot]

Caseshep wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Caseshep wrote...

I was also kind of weirded out that Kaidan wakes up to Shepard just sitting there staring at him. WHY DIDN'T SHE STAY IN BED WITH HIM.

She probably did, for a while. Then she noticed that they were five minutes from the Mu Relay, so she got up and dressed, but couldn't find the heart to wake Kaidan because he looked so sweet and peaceful.

Yeahhh you're probably right. I just would have preferred to see them sleeping when Joker interrupts.
And this music with the zoom in on Shepard makes it seem more like a horror scene.

lol YES! I seriously thought my Shep might kill him or something. It plays that scary music and then like zooms in on her. 

[Kia Purity]

Chapter 61 of Manipulations is up! *woosh!*

[Myaku1313]

Sweetness! /high five!

[mineralica]

Golden Owl wrote...

Two more questions:

1.) Do you think Kaidan will be Sheps knew XO?

2.) Do you think Kaidan was ultimately really made made a Spectre at this time to keep an eye on Shep....Kaidan's own credentials not with standing for this question.

1) Likely. Pressly also seemed to be higher ranked than Shepard, and Miranda managed to combine walking on missions and being XO. Also I completely see Kaidan writing reports, and if you have character who guaranteed to survive and fits a role, why re-invent bicycle? As a fan of Miranda my opinion on "should he be an XO?" might wary (she's good at this job, after all), but for "will he be Shepard's XO?" - very likely.

2) I don't think Kaidan was made a SpeCTRe out of blue. My thoughts he started with personal missions for Anderson, then proved himself to be capable of becoming second human SpeCTRe (and possibly only human SpeCTRe. Don't you think "SpeCTReless Council race" looks ridiculous from political PoV?), and Shepard just had a bad timing. Again.

To "core squad vs. recruited later" - the thing which makes me insanely happy is that "core" squad won't get their romantic dialogues butchered for the sake of players who recruited them later but still want to romane. Another thing is a chance on active participation in debriefings. Nah, I'm just naturally optimistic:D

[Jenova65]

Mandalina wrote...

ChaplainTappman wrote...

If Joker interrupts me again I will space him. I'm not even kidding.

Agreed. >.>

Who all plays this on the 360? 

I play on 360  Mind you I also play on PS3 and PC (but don't enjoy it so much on PC)

[Kyakan]

Jenova65 wrote...

Mandalina wrote...

ChaplainTappman wrote...

If Joker interrupts me again I will space him. I'm not even kidding.

Agreed. >.>

Who all plays this on the 360? 

I play on 360  Mind you I also play on PS3 and PC (but don't enjoy it so much on PC)

I play on both the PC and the 360. Controls-wise I prefer the 360 (I can't bring myself to play videogames without a controller, but MEPC really hates gamepads for some reason. It glitches out so often that I can't help but wonder what Shep's teammates think of her suddenly spazzing out and whirling around in circles every forty seconds.), but graphics-wise I prefer the PC. I nicknamed my Xbox "The Mouthbreather" for a reason...

*wheels comment back on topic* Would you believe that, during my very first playthrough, I thought Kaidan was a redshirt like Jenkins? The stupid textures refused to load, so he looked like a lump of plastic on the character screen. Ashley did too, but I alread knew she was a main character because of the cover. When the graphics finally started to work during the beacon cutscene, I was like, "Hey, that guy's kinda hot..." And then he showed up in the med-bay when Shepard wakes up; "Oh..wait...wait...OH I SEE! HE'S THE ROMANCEABLE GUY! AWESOME!"

[Chignon]

mineralica wrote...

Edit: just noticed. Nice mage, Chignon!

Thank you, mineralica!

Dhiro wrote...

What bothers me most about the JOKER IS WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE bit is that they reused a voice clip from the beggining of the game. It was so random and the intonation didn't match the situation.

Yes, I wished they'd left it out or something.

jeweledleah wrote...

that said, I'm fairly sure that Kaidan, Liara, Vega and whatever new female squadmate we'll be getting - are mandatory. partly because they are the ones guaranteed to be in every game and partly because Shepard needs to have a minimum of 2 people available to go on missions, and I'm guessing some of the squadmates including mandatory ones - can die as well.

everyone else? optional to some degree.

That's what I'm expecting as well, Leah.

[Taritu]

Only romanced Kaidan once (Liara's my girl) but I saved him every time except once on Horizon. He was the calm guy, good in a fight, who I could go to and get good advice from, and trust to keep things in perspective. For Shep, the perfect XO. Supportive, extremely competent, and will keep your feet on the ground.

[Jenova65]

Kyakan wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Mandalina wrote...

ChaplainTappman wrote...

If Joker interrupts me again I will space him. I'm not even kidding.

Agreed. >.>

Who all plays this on the 360? 

I play on 360  Mind you I also play on PS3 and PC (but don't enjoy it so much on PC)

I play on both the PC and the 360. Controls-wise I prefer the 360 (I can't bring myself to play videogames without a controller, but MEPC really hates gamepads for some reason. It glitches out so often that I can't help but wonder what Shep's teammates think of her suddenly spazzing out and whirling around in circles every forty seconds.), but graphics-wise I prefer the PC. I nicknamed my Xbox "The Mouthbreather" for a reason...

*wheels comment back on topic* Would you believe that, during my very first playthrough, I thought Kaidan was a redshirt like Jenkins? The stupid textures refused to load, so he looked like a lump of plastic on the character screen. Ashley did too, but I alread knew she was a main character because of the cover. When the graphics finally started to work during the beacon cutscene, I was like, "Hey, that guy's kinda hot..." And then he showed up in the med-bay when Shepard wakes up; "Oh..wait...wait...OH I SEE! HE'S THE ROMANCEABLE GUY! AWESOME!"

For sure it looks pretty on the PC....... But I just can't get my head around keyboard and mouse, my brain just doesn't want to know.... I can play DA:O OK, because you can use the mouse to run/walk, but no, I'd play if I could use a controller 

I think I knew straight away that Kaidan was a LI..... And remember thinking...''Hell, yes'' 

Modifié par Jenova65, 12 septembre 2011 - 09:20 .

[Kyakan]

 I use Xpadder + a USB controller. It works, but like I said, it's glitchy as all hell. You have to be gentle with the analog sticks or else Shepard will do an automatic 180 and start humping a nearby wall.


To be honest, I wasn't all that excited about Kaidan at first. I always do the romance subplots in games because it's the easiest way to connect with the characters, but I've never particularly enjoyed any of them because I had pretty low standards back then. But when I followed Kaidan's path for the first time, I was floored. They didn't keep reiterating how much they love each other, and there was none of that "two halves of a whole" and/or "a male human/oid and a female human/oid know each other, so they must be in love" crap that I was so used to. They felt more like two individuals who just happened to be lucky enough to find each other. That's why I like Horizon so much (even though I know I'm in the minority) - they can disagree with each other, and still be in love.

To use specifics, I really liked how you could clearly see their emotions and motivations through their dialogue. The way Kaidan tells his backstory clearly shows the stages of grief and the strength he had to muster to overcome all of it. He very obviously doesn't want to share it, but he truly thinks that it will be helpful to Shepard, so he does it for her. I even got some characterization vibes from Shepard, who's supposed to be a blank slate, in the form of how she dealt with the pressure she was under as a leader.

And whoooa, I kinda went off on a fangirl tangent there.

Moral of the story? I'm never, ever going back to JRPGs. 

Modifié par Kyakan, 12 septembre 2011 - 10:01 .

[ChaplainTappman]

@Kyakan: For all the sh*t they get on this forum, Bioware does a lot of things well. The thing they do best is people. Ernest Hemingway (my favorite author) once said, "When writing a novel a writer should create living people; people not characters. A character is a caricature." Bioware gets that, and creates incredible people. They can make you care for a NPC like no other developer.

[mineralica]

Kyakan wrote...

<...>

*wheels comment back on topic* Would you believe that, during my very first playthrough, I thought Kaidan was a redshirt like Jenkins? The stupid textures refused to load, so he looked like a lump of plastic on the character screen. Ashley did too, but I alread knew she was a main character because of the cover. When the graphics finally started to work during the beacon cutscene, I was like, "Hey, that guy's kinda hot..." And then he showed up in the med-bay when Shepard wakes up; "Oh..wait...wait...OH I SEE! HE'S THE ROMANCEABLE GUY! AWESOME!"

Ahh, first playthrough... I remember when Kaidan's face stuck at "powers" screen and didn't want to go away, so when I switched to Shepard  or Garrus  it was showing the clipping horror. It even stayed there in "Esc" menu.

Ah, good ol' ME1 times

[Kyakan]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

@Kyakan: For all the sh*t they get on this forum, Bioware does a lot of things well. The thing they do best is people. Ernest Hemingway (my favorite author) once said, "When writing a novel a writer should create living people; people not characters. A character is a caricature." Bioware gets that, and creates incredible people. They can make you care for a NPC like no other developer.

Amen.

mineralica wrote...

Kyakan wrote...

<...>

*wheels comment back on topic* Would you believe that, during my very first playthrough, I thought Kaidan was a redshirt like Jenkins? The stupid textures refused to load, so he looked like a lump of plastic on the character screen. Ashley did too, but I alread knew she was a main character because of the cover. When the graphics finally started to work during the beacon cutscene, I was like, "Hey, that guy's kinda hot..." And then he showed up in the med-bay when Shepard wakes up; "Oh..wait...wait...OH I SEE! HE'S THE ROMANCEABLE GUY! AWESOME!"

Ahh, first playthrough... I remember when Kaidan's face stuck at "powers" screen and didn't want to go away, so when I switched to Shepard  or Garrus  it was showing the clipping horror. It even stayed there in "Esc" menu.

Ah, good ol' ME1 times

I have very few complaints about seeing Kaidan's face everywhere. 

[FireEye]

Ficbit.  Focus on Shepard, but Kaidan's around doing Kaidan-y things.

Alternately, Kaidan:



Or Kaidan:



Or Kaidan:

[Caseshep]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

@Kyakan: For all the sh*t they get on this forum, Bioware does a lot of things well. The thing they do best is people. Ernest Hemingway (my favorite author) once said, "When writing a novel a writer should create living people; people not characters. A character is a caricature." Bioware gets that, and creates incredible people. They can make you care for a NPC like no other developer.

YES. Agree wholeheartedly.

Annnd TOP.



Also, requoting for bump,

FireEye wrote...
Ficbit.  Focus on Shepard, but Kaidan's around doing Kaidan-y things.

Great short read.

Modifié par Caseshep, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:38 .