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[ChaplainTappman]

jeweledleah wrote...

they are not going to add s/s romance only.  regardless of who the characters are going to be, new or returning.  they are going to write a romance that's available for both genders.  its not cost effective otherwise, becasue not including m/f romance possibilityfor him measn they have to write a separate m/f romance with another character.

Bioware's only released one game where all of the LIs were available to both genders. KOTOR, ME1, DA:O, and ME2 all had gender-specific romances. DA2 was rushed out the door, so it's reasonable to assume they took the quick and easy route there. But they clearly aren't rushing ME3. I don't think it's ridiculous to believe that they'd have sexuality-specific romances.

[syllogi]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I agree with no penalization. I just like the realism of my Shepard being with Garrus but really still loving Kaidan. Seems more likely, then Kaidan not having sex for two years (unless he slept around too! Never thought about that)

For my main Shepard, she fully believed that Horizon meant that whatever relationship she had had with Kaidan was over, but she didn't give up hope that someday, things could start again.  I hope that kind of roleplaying deserves a scene, just as much as someone who wants a big dramatic "choose between your ME1 and ME2 LI" scene.

[Sialater]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

they are not going to add s/s romance only.  regardless of who the characters are going to be, new or returning.  they are going to write a romance that's available for both genders.  its not cost effective otherwise, becasue not including m/f romance possibilityfor him measn they have to write a separate m/f romance with another character.

Bioware's only released one game where all of the LIs were available to both genders. KOTOR, ME1, DA:O, and ME2 all had gender-specific romances. DA2 was rushed out the door, so it's reasonable to assume they took the quick and easy route there. But they clearly aren't rushing ME3. I don't think it's ridiculous to believe that they'd have sexuality-specific romances.

They may, with the new characters they're introducing.  But the returning characters may have three different ways to romance them.  We don't know. 

Frankly, if Rachel can't get Joker, I'd like to see if I can start a new romance with Kaidan in ME3 with her.

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

And then, Silverman said there won't be a comic like Genesis. He never said there won't be any kind of a choices generator in ME3.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, because there seems to be conflicting statements all over the place. I was thinking of the Silverman interview where he confirmed that while there will be a "previously on Mass Effect" explanitory comic played before ME3, it won't be an interactive choice-generator:

Silverman made the entirely valid point that really, the only people who cared about the decisions (Does Wrex live or die? With whom does Shepard hook up?) were the people who had already played the games. To newcomers, the choices didn't resonate that much. "Do I hook up with this girl, or this girl?" he asked. "Well… this one's blue, so, sure!"

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 septembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

please read what KawaiKatie said. (agree with that post 99%, with the exception of that part where you are ok with it.  I'm not ok with it, but there's nothing I can do about it at this point)

Already responsed to taht post on the previous page and IMO it's based on assumption as well, incorrect one that there won't be any kind of  a choices generator in ME3.

jeweledleah wrote...

and what walters said is that old LI's will be available for new romances.  he didnt specify what type.  he only said that some of the old LI's would be available. 

The conversation on twitter was this:

@macwalterslives Is it possible in #ME3 to romance characters that WERE available as LIs in ME1/2 but we didn't romance them back then?

Mac: Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102230756927090688

-follow up question to Mac's response-

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?

Mac: Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066

jeweledleah wrote...

you are interpreting his post in a way that you want to hear.  I'm interpreting it in a way that actualy makes sence

You seriously think you're the one who doesn't read and twists posts/claims/tweets the way it suits you? Newsflash, you do and everyone can see it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 septembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[mineralica]

I almost ready to bet that the person who is going to become bi in ME3 will also become a "new romance with old character" - it's simplier to make one alterating dialogue (three situations - s/s, new o/s, friendship) than two (four situations - s/s, new o/s, friendship 1, friendship 2). If it will be Kaidan remains to be seen.

[jeweledleah]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

they are not going to add s/s romance only.  regardless of who the characters are going to be, new or returning.  they are going to write a romance that's available for both genders.  its not cost effective otherwise, becasue not including m/f romance possibilityfor him measn they have to write a separate m/f romance with another character.

Bioware's only released one game where all of the LIs were available to both genders. KOTOR, ME1, DA:O, and ME2 all had gender-specific romances. DA2 was rushed out the door, so it's reasonable to assume they took the quick and easy route there. But they clearly aren't rushing ME3. I don't think it's ridiculous to believe that they'd have sexuality-specific romances.

bioware released only one game with a single LI that was avaialble for s/s romance only.  typicaly the characters are either m/f only, or available for both genders.  DA2 was rushed, but relationship setup was not the part that was rushed.  gender neutrality of the romances was deliberate.

its not ridiculous to believe that they might have f/m romance only in ME3.  but its kinda naive to believe that they will have a s/s romance only, especialy with a character who was previously available for m/f romance only.

they are counting on atracting new players.  they will have players who started in M@ and ended up with oposite gender VS by default (50% of the ME2 owners fall into that category, not counting PS3 players).  they will not exclude them from romantic subplots in that way.

[Sialater]

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

@macwalterslives Is it possible in #ME3 to romance characters that WERE available as LIs in ME1/2 but we didn't romance them back then?

Mac: Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102230756927090688

-follow up question to Mac's response-

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?

Mac: Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066[/quote]

[/quote]

Those are gigantic non-answers.  You can't even interpret them, they're so vague.  Other than to say, "Some, but not all."  So... that's essentially NO information there.  There's not even semantics to argue.

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

they will not exclude them from romantic subplots in that way.

They won't by giving them an option to set-up different choices with the choices generator (interactive "Previously on" video, choices during trial hearings or some other way). Simple.

[Ryzaki]

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the new Gensis was the trial. Would make perfect sense.

[jeweledleah]

Sialater wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

@macwalterslives Is it possible in #ME3 to romance characters that WERE available as LIs in ME1/2 but we didn't romance them back then?

Mac: Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102230756927090688

-follow up question to Mac's response-

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?

Mac: Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066

Those are gigantic non-answers.  You can't even interpret them, they're so vague.  Other than to say, "Some, but not all."  So... that's essentially NO information there.  There's not even semantics to argue.

Sia they are actualy easier to interpet as " previously available LI's who were m/f only will remain m/f only".  but hey... everyone can see, that I'm just trying to fool myself, amirite? 

not to mention I'm ignoring some of the newer information in favor of older interviews that are more to my liking... oh wait >_>

Modifié par jeweledleah, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:14 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the new Gensis was the trial. Would make perfect sense.

That what 99% of the BSN expects/basically is sure of by now. But it could also be an interactive "Previously on" for all we know. But really, trial hearings?

jeweledleah wrote...

Sie ithey are actualy easier to interpet as  previously available LI's who were m/f only will remain m/f only.  but hey... everyone can see that, I'm just trying to fool myself amirite? 

not to mention I'm ignoring some of the newer information in favor of older interviews that are more to my liking... oh wait >_>

ZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzz..... Ohh wait, thought you finally had some facts to post and it truns out it's just more of your rusty sarcasm & assumptions. Carry on!

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Sialater]

jeweledleah wrote...

Sialater wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

@macwalterslives Is it possible in #ME3 to romance characters that WERE available as LIs in ME1/2 but we didn't romance them back then?

Mac: Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102230756927090688

-follow up question to Mac's response-

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?

Mac: Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066

Those are gigantic non-answers.  You can't even interpret them, they're so vague.  Other than to say, "Some, but not all."  So... that's essentially NO information there.  There's not even semantics to argue.

Sia they are actualy easier to interpet as " previously available LI's who were m/f only will remain m/f only".  but hey... everyone can see, that I'm just trying to fool myself, amirite? 

not to mention I'm ignoring some of the newer information in favor of older interviews that are more to my liking... oh wait >_>

But it's not just the VS that falls under that umbrella, then (obviously it's who we care about), but also Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Garrus...

[mineralica]

IsaacShep wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

they will not exclude them from romantic subplots in that way.

They won't by giving them an option to set-up different choices with the choices generator (interactive "Previously on" video, choices during trial hearings or some other way). Simple.

But some oldies are definitely going to be romanced. This looks as new BioWare trend to me - Garrus and Tali in ME2, Anders, Merrill and Isabela in DA2. Since there are not many characters left without Shepard's attention (Wrex, Mordin, Grunt, Samara, Legion, Zaeed and Kasumi - however, the latter two may make sence, but they'te DLC chars, so... doubtfully), it won't be a stretch of imagination to assume some previous LI will be available.

And, honestly, does comic look as normal way to start romance for people who never seen ME1 and, possibly, ME2? Pick a character basing on couple of shots and brief description... questionable.

[jeweledleah]

@ Sia. indeed. not to mention more people managed to get through suicide mission with only one or 2 casualties... or no casualties at all. you have to deliberately set up suicide mission in a way that allows you to lose people. the only ones that are easy to lose without trying are Tali, Mordin, and Jack... and yet... Tali is one of the confirmed squadmates. Ash or Kaidan however are always deadin every game. only one of them is alive at a time. see, in some ways, writing new romance for ME2 LI's could be easier then writing one for VS.

I don't know if they would. i don't even know if Kaidan or Ash would be available for new romance at all. all I'm saying is if they ARE? and if they are available for s/s romance to boot (which IS a possibility for various reasons, not all of them nice)? its going to be near identical and its going to be for availalbe for both new options m/f and s/s.

[KawaiiKatie]

jeweledleah wrote...

i don't even know if Kaidan or Ash would be available for new romance at all. all I'm saying is if they ARE? and if they are available for s/s romance to boot (which IS a possibility for various reasons, not all of them nice)? its going to be near identical and its going to be for availalbe for both new options m/f and s/s.

Sorry if you've posted this before in length, but I don't understand why you aren't okay with your "faithful" Kaidan-romance being nearly identical to my same-sex manShep romance. I agree that, after such a long wait, we both deserve to be rewarded for our patience and loyalty with a wholly unique and special gaming experience, but if that doesn't happen, why does it matter if our romances share a lot of the same lines?

So long as there is some sort of distinction, so long as Kaidan talks about the night before Ilos with your femShep and the three years of chaste romantic tension with my manShep, isn't that good enough? So long as the romantic interactions with Kaidan are sweet and epic and well-written, why should I care that your femShep got a lot of the same lines, too? It's no skin of my back if Kaidan repeated some of his lines with both my manShep and your femShep.

Do you not think it's possible for Bioware to write a really amazing, completely-worth-the-wait romance for Shepards who stayed faithful to Ash and Kaidan if they're also trying to write a brand-new romance for gay Shepards? What's your main concern?

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:38 .

[Sialater]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

i don't even know if Kaidan or Ash would be available for new romance at all. all I'm saying is if they ARE? and if they are available for s/s romance to boot (which IS a possibility for various reasons, not all of them nice)? its going to be near identical and its going to be for availalbe for both new options m/f and s/s.

Sorry if you've posted this before in length, but I don't understand why you aren't okay with your "faithful" Kaidan-romance being nearly identical to my same-sex manShep romance. I agree that, after such a long wait, we both deserve to be rewarded for our patience and loyalty with a wholly unique and special gaming experience, but if that doesn't happen, why does it matter if our romances share a lot of the same lines?

So long as there is some sort of distinction, so long as Kaidan talks about the night before Ilos with your femShep and the three years of chaste romantic tension with my manShep, isn't that good enough? So long as the romantic interactions with Kaidan are sweet and epic and well-written, why should I care that your femShep got a lot of the same lines, too? It's no skin of my back if Kaidan repeated some of his lines with both my manShep and your femShep.

Do you not think it's possible for Bioware to write a really amazing, completely-worth-the-wait romance for Shepards who stayed faithful to Ash and Kaidan if they're also trying to write a brand-new romance for gay Shepards? What's your main concern?

Wouldn't that be the 5-15% difference she's pointed out?

[Bekkael]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
So long as there is some sort of distinction, so long as Kaidan talks about the night before Ilos with your femShep and the three years of chaste romantic tension with my manShep, isn't that good enough?

That sounds just great to me, and would make me all kinds of happy.

[shepskisaac]

mineralica wrote...

And, honestly, does comic look as normal way to start romance for people who never seen ME1 and, possibly, ME2? Pick a character basing on couple of shots and brief description... questionable.

Sure is questionable, but then again, it is also questionable why there's a need to include a remake of the already existing content just because someone didn't play ME1/ME2. These games are out there, available for everyone to play, no one is denied that content. As much as I'm for making new players feel welcomed, giving them an option to quickly set-up old romances for continuation (via some kind of an interactive introduction) or have romances with new character (Vega/new female) is really enough IMO. I mean, should we also include Mako driving and all the ME1 sidequests because some new ME3 players didn't have a chance to play ME1?

jeweledleah wrote...

all I'm saying is if they ARE? and if they are available for s/s romance toboot (which IS a possibility for various reasons, not all of them nice)? its going to be near identical and its going to be for availalbe for both new options m/f and s/s.

And what I'm saying is that you don't know it for a fact so don't act as if it's a fact. And the way you originally jumped at Eccentrica Gallumbits lol yeah, you indeed was just was calmly saying how there might be romance copy+pasting.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:47 .

[jeweledleah]

@ Katie, to me that dilutes the impact of staying faithful. it also basically means that there is no point in experiencing a new romance, since its pretty much the same as the old romance. it reduces re-playability of that romantic arc. (its the same with DA2 - the differences in rivalry/friendship romances are too minor, with exception of outcome for Sebastian romance)

and not I don't hope its possible for bioware to write a really amazing, completely-worth-the-wait romance for Shepards who stay faithful to Ash and Kaidan if they're also trying to write a brand-new romance for gay Shepards? not with their current policy of copy paste as much dialogue as they can get away with.

they are capable of writing it, yes, but I doubt that they will. not cost effective and for most hardcore fans it doesn't matter anyways. I'm in a minority of fans who doesn't play through the same romance in exactly the same way multiple times. the only reason I replayed my Kaidan faithful Shep is because I missed a few sidequests and due to not realizing the workings of the paragon/renegade charm/intimidate system, ended up losing Toombs, Burns and half the Zhu's hope.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:49 .

[mineralica]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Sorry if you've posted this before in length, but I don't understand why you aren't okay with your "faithful" Kaidan-romance being nearly identical to my same-sex manShep romance. I agree that, after such a long wait, we both deserve to be rewarded for our patience and loyalty with a wholly unique and special gaming experience, but if that doesn't happen, why does it matter if our romances share a lot of the same lines?

So long as there is some sort of distinction, so long as Kaidan talks about the night before Ilos with your femShep and the three years of chaste romantic tension with my manShep, isn't that good enough? So long as the romantic interactions with Kaidan are sweet and epic and well-written, why should I care that your femShep got a lot of the same lines, too? It's no skin of my back if Kaidan repeated some of his lines with both my manShep and your femShep.

Do you not think it's possible for Bioware to write a really amazing, completely-worth-the-wait romance for Shepards who stayed faithful to Ash and Kaidan if they're also trying to write a brand-new romance for gay Shepards? What's your main concern?

Romances which will be started a new need at least romance initiation stage. After this dialogue, the next one is usually with LI checking Shepard's intentions (true to all ME2 romances). Then it's usually about how they happy to find each other.

Continuation would likely completely miss "initiation" part and proceed to confirmation. Then... ahaha, BioWare never made romance of established couple, but as for me it will be something more about future plans, like LotSB.

And here's the point of difference: continuation shouldn't include "Oh Shepard I'd never thought you're interested in me" part, shouldn't... emphasize on getting to know each other? It shouldn't feel as romance was started anew.

[KawaiiKatie]

Sialater wrote...

Wouldn't that be the 5-15% difference she's pointed out?

Yeah, but I don't see why that's a problem. Even if the femShep-loyal romance is 85% identical to the manShep-romance, it's still 100% Kaidan, and that's what matters.

[KawaiiKatie]

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Katie, to me that dilutes the impact of staying faithful. it also basically means that there is no point in experiencing a new romance, since its pretty much the same as the old romance. it reduces re-playability of that romantic arc.

That's fair enough, I suppose, though that's not entirely how I'd look at the situation. Simply by staying loyal to Kaidan, you're garunteed a different experience than those who dallied with Garrus or Jacob or Thane, or at the very least you're garunteed a different experience than those who chose not to romance Kaidan at all. Even if single, gay manShep and Kaidan-loyal femShep share a few lines, their experience as a Shepard who only has eyes for Kaidan will be unique from any other, and that's good enough for me.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 septembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[mineralica]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Wouldn't that be the 5-15% difference she's pointed out?

Yeah, but I don't see why that's a problem. Even if the femShep-loyal romance is 85% identical to the manShep-romance, it's still 100% Kaidan, and that's what matters.

Well said!

And since somebody reminded me about Kaidan's armour (Admiral?), I went to celebrate this fact:)


Edit: *counts number of posts and giggles*

Modifié par mineralica, 13 septembre 2011 - 08:04 .

[Chignon]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Wouldn't that be the 5-15% difference she's pointed out?

Yeah, but I don't see why that's a problem. Even if the femShep-loyal romance is 85% identical to the manShep-romance, it's still 100% Kaidan, and that's what matters.

A lot of people, Sia included, have already pointed out that there is no problem if the faithful romance gets at least some sort of acknowledgement or extra scene.

Edit

Modifié par Chignon, 13 septembre 2011 - 08:07 .