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sesheta255 wrote...

We keep hearing about there being 'consequences' if you cheat but there didn't seem to be any repercussions in LotSB if you cheated on Liara, she seemed to accept that Shepard moved on. So it will be interesting to see just how big, or small, these consequences are.



You make a good point. Here I was hoping for fireworks.

I don't consider it cheating at all. He walked away and then sends some lame ass email as an apology. I realize that he's hurt and confused but it's not the way my Shepard would have reacted if the situation were reversed. So when she becomes involved with Thane it's was over. Kaiden would have to be a fool to think that the way they left things would lead him to believe that their relationship was still ongoing, especially since he talks about moving on himself.

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Oh, wow! Finally someone words it well. That is exactly, 110% how I see it as well. It's not that Shep moved on - it's that Shep moved on that fast. She clearly didn't care for him that much if she jumps into bed with someone else within a month or two (really, how long a period was ME2?) while it took him forever to almost get over her.

For any good ME2 (or ME3) romances, I'm going to have to either kill Kaidan off at Virmire or not romance him at all. I couldn't handle breaking his heart again.. I just couldn't. :crying:



+1

I managed to do a non-romance Shep purely by the comic I could not play ME1 without romancing Kaidan. I

Also non of the ME2 felt right. My single Shep is waiting for Vega/Joker/or someone else.

That's the only way I was able to romance someone else, other than my one cheating-with-Thane-to-see-what-happens-Shepard............... 

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LOL...even with the comic I didn't make it and my Femshep end up with Kaidan. I'm too obsessed, even in my only male playthrough which I made for Ash, I failed and decided to keep Kaidan alive and sacrificed Ash. But I haven't given up yet and maybe after ME3, I will have a Shep, who will go for Jacob or Thane....

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Aslanasadi wrote...

LOL...even with the comic I didn't make it and my Femshep end up with Kaidan. I'm too obsessed, even in my only male playthrough which I made for Ash, I failed and decided to keep Kaidan alive and sacrificed Ash. But I haven't given up yet and maybe after ME3, I will have a Shep, who will go for Jacob or Thane....

Lol, bless you......... I did my cheating Shepard first :o And I actually failed on my first attempt at single-via-Genesis and still hit the romance Kaidan button........ *weak willed* I have done Thane and Jacob and got part way through Garrus but it just didn't feel right for me.  Kaidan is 
Simply the best

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 Oh and in case you didn't see yet...........
Kaidan won

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Jenova65 wrote...

Aslanasadi wrote...

LOL...even with the comic I didn't make it and my Femshep end up with Kaidan. I'm too obsessed, even in my only male playthrough which I made for Ash, I failed and decided to keep Kaidan alive and sacrificed Ash. But I haven't given up yet and maybe after ME3, I will have a Shep, who will go for Jacob or Thane....

Lol, bless you......... I did my cheating Shepard first :o And I actually failed on my first attempt at single-via-Genesis and still hit the romance Kaidan button........ *weak willed* I have done Thane and Jacob and got part way through Garrus but it just didn't feel right for me.  Kaidan is 
Simply the best


Yes, he is...:wub::wub::wub:

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stwu wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

We keep hearing about there being 'consequences' if you cheat but there didn't seem to be any repercussions in LotSB if you cheated on Liara, she seemed to accept that Shepard moved on. So it will be interesting to see just how big, or small, these consequences are.



You make a good point. Here I was hoping for fireworks.

I don't consider it cheating at all. He walked away and then sends some lame ass email as an apology. I realize that he's hurt and confused but it's not the way my Shepard would have reacted if the situation were reversed. So when she becomes involved with Thane it's was over. Kaiden would have to be a fool to think that the way they left things would lead him to believe that their relationship was still ongoing, especially since he talks about moving on himself.


That line of thinking is fine for someone who is role playing a Shepard who romanced him, but didn't care for Kaidan -- which is fine, people are entitled to like the ME2 LIs better.  And even if Shepard hadn't died, their relationship was pretty new, and it could have not worked out anyway.  It happens.  They were swept up in the moment right before fighting Sovereign, but afterwards, perhaps they just weren't compatible.

BUT, for people who are roleplaying a character who really does want a relationship with Kaidan, and who weren't more interested in the ME2 characters, moving on does feel like cheating.  Because they were kept away from Kaidan for plot reasons, not because they got a choice.  So if you only see Horizon as a bump in the road, and are intending to work things out with him, romancing someone else in ME2 is most likely being done specifically to create drama in ME3 (which could be interesting, or really facepalm worthy, we'll see...). 

Personally, although I see the romance with Kaidan as being over after Horizon, I could not even think about starting up a new romance, even without the thought of getting back together with Kaidan in ME3, under the circumstances laid out in ME2.  I just came back from the dead, I am being forced to work for an organization I despise, and I'm about to go on a suicide mission.  And then add to that, Shepard is made out to be a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen, in her approach to looking for love on the Normandy.  Yeah.  I'd rather wait and work things out with a character I feel is most suitable for my Shepard, and stay single in ME2.  It also suits the way I prefer to roleplay my character, to feel isolated and lonely during the events of ME2.  She can talk to the crew, and want to get to know them, but she's not ready to move on, or let someone new get close to her just yet.  That's why it would be "cheating," even while they're on a break, for my Shepard.  Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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In other news my Gears of War 3 Xbox just turned up, so I have a fun time moving data right now :o
I had to move my profile over and then move it back because you can't move DA:O data between profiles.... I had to move it in the first place because you can't copy ME2 data - Jeez BioWare... pick an option and stick with it..... :P
All because there isn't a slim to slim transfer cable widely available yet so doing it all on an 8gb memory stick ¬_¬
So help me, if anything happens to my Kaidan saves............. :P

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TeenZombie wrote...

stwu wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

We keep hearing about there being 'consequences' if you cheat but there didn't seem to be any repercussions in LotSB if you cheated on Liara, she seemed to accept that Shepard moved on. So it will be interesting to see just how big, or small, these consequences are.



You make a good point. Here I was hoping for fireworks.

I don't consider it cheating at all. He walked away and then sends some lame ass email as an apology. I realize that he's hurt and confused but it's not the way my Shepard would have reacted if the situation were reversed. So when she becomes involved with Thane it's was over. Kaiden would have to be a fool to think that the way they left things would lead him to believe that their relationship was still ongoing, especially since he talks about moving on himself.


That line of thinking is fine for someone who is role playing a Shepard who romanced him, but didn't care for Kaidan -- which is fine, people are entitled to like the ME2 LIs better.  And even if Shepard hadn't died, their relationship was pretty new, and it could have not worked out anyway.  It happens.  They were swept up in the moment right before fighting Sovereign, but afterwards, perhaps they just weren't compatible.

BUT, for people who are roleplaying a character who really does want a relationship with Kaidan, and who weren't more interested in the ME2 characters, moving on does feel like cheating.  Because they were kept away from Kaidan for plot reasons, not because they got a choice.  So if you only see Horizon as a bump in the road, and are intending to work things out with him, romancing someone else in ME2 is most likely being done specifically to create drama in ME3 (which could be interesting, or really facepalm worthy, we'll see...). 

Personally, although I see the romance with Kaidan as being over after Horizon, I could not even think about starting up a new romance, even without the thought of getting back together with Kaidan in ME3, under the circumstances laid out in ME2.  I just came back from the dead, I am being forced to work for an organization I despise, and I'm about to go on a suicide mission.  And then add to that, Shepard is made out to be a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen, in her approach to looking for love on the Normandy.  Yeah.  I'd rather wait and work things out with a character I feel is most suitable for my Shepard, and stay single in ME2.  It also suits the way I prefer to roleplay my character, to feel isolated and lonely during the events of ME2.  She can talk to the crew, and want to get to know them, but she's not ready to move on, or let someone new get close to her just yet.  That's why it would be "cheating," even while they're on a break, for my Shepard.  Everyone else's mileage may vary.

Tell me about it, poor Jacob was just minding his own business polishing his guns and whatnot and in saunters Shepard, he didn't know what had hit him :P 

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That what happened on Horizon was just one chapter/episode in Kaidan's and my Shepard's relationship at least for my Sheps ^_^
I wouldn't say they are still in a relationship. Two years are a long time and people can change.
But for my Shep, who was dead/in coma that time, it has been like yesterday, so even when her head says, that Kaidan probably moved on, she still loves him and so she couldn't just jump into someone elses arms. But that's my Shepard ;)
After his message, she got some hope and waits to see him again and maybe to work things out...
Like I said, she has hope and as long she has hope, she can't move on. She will wait for Kaidan and see how things will be settled between them. (I hope I said it right, exuse my English)

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Oh, joy... the "cheating" discussion.

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Sialater wrote...

Oh, joy... the "cheating" discussion.


Welcome to any Virmire Survivor thread ever, may I take your hat and coat? :P

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Sialater wrote...

Oh, joy... the "cheating" discussion.


Unnecessary.

If you aren't going to contribute, can't you just ignore and move on instead of, with one simple negative comment, invalidating the opinions of everyone who has posted to this most recent discussion of the cheating issue?  

I haven't enjoyed much of what I've read recently in this thread due to antagonism on the part of a few who have posted.  Now we have a friendly discussion going with people sharing opinions and viewpoints, and even though it's been discussed before, there's nothing wrong with covering the ground again.  If you have some new, as-yet-uncovered ground regarding Kaidan then please share it with the rest of us so that we can enjoy a completely fresh discussion.  Or I suppose we can all just stop posting for however many weeks it takes BioWare to throw us a new scrap of Kaidan (mis)information.

This thread is for fans of Kaidan, no matter what they want to talk about, or at what length they want to talk about it.  If you disagree with someone, try to be respectful about it when you state your own views.  If you don't like a discussion, don't contribute or start one that interests you personally.

Edited to remove a blatantly antagonistic comment of my own.  My apologies.:blush:

Modifié par basbaker, 20 septembre 2011 - 01:44 .


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basbaker wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Oh, joy... the "cheating" discussion.


Unnecessary.

If you aren't going to contribute, can't you just ignore and move on instead of, with one simple negative comment, invalidating the opinions of everyone who has posted to this most recent discussion of the cheating issue?  

I haven't enjoyed much of what I've read recently in this thread due to antagonism on the part of a few who have posted.  Now we have a friendly discussion going with people sharing opinions and viewpoints, and even though it's been discussed before, there's nothing wrong with covering the ground again.  If you have some new, as-yet-uncovered ground regarding Kaidan then please share it with the rest of us so that we can enjoy a completely fresh discussion.  Or I suppose we can all just stop posting for however many weeks it takes BioWare to throw us a new scrap of Kaidan (mis)information.

This thread is for fans of Kaidan, no matter what they want to talk about, or at what length they want to talk about it.  If you disagree with someone, try to be respectful about it when you state your own views.  If you don't like a discussion, don't contribute or start one that interests you personally.

Edited to remove a blatantly antagonistic comment of my own.  My apologies.:blush:


Yeah, OK.  How about the posts that judge everyone with a "cheating" Shepard as a bad Kaidan fan?  How about those who assume it's a fault on the player's part or her morality for playing that way? 

When this can be discussed without judgement on the players, then I'll contribute.  Otherwise, I've defended my "Cheating" Shepard dozens of times over and over and with walls of text and in fic.  But still there exists some judgement on the part of the fans that people like me are fans in name only. 

So, no, until that time comes, I probably won't be contributing more to the "cheating" discussion.  Seeing as every single time I have done so, I personally get flamed for a role-playing decision.

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well, ... there isn't that much we can discuss, that hasn't been talked over and over and over and over before after ME1 and the only new thing that ME2 added was pretty much Horizon and perhaps the email and who that doctor is and what femSheps everywhere are going to do to her etc.

Then ME3 was getting attention in mags and we saw Kaidan in Spectre gear and we had something new and since then we're pretty much just waiting for news recycling old topics ...


on a side-note:
will the thread title be changed more often or will this only occur once every 300+ pages?

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Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Just wanted to post this for us Femsheps. Sorry if it doesn't do the auto link. Got to learn how to do pics and such.

www.atomicmpc.com.au/Magazine/Default.aspx


Yeah, I was so disappointed to discover this is an Australian magazine, and super expensive to get shipped to the U.S. :(  Browing the back issue covers, it looks like it may be a quite decent gaming magazine.

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Criz-Zone wrote...

well, ... there isn't that much we can discuss, that hasn't been talked over and over and over and over before after ME1 and the only new thing that ME2 added was pretty much Horizon and perhaps the email and who that doctor is and what femSheps everywhere are going to do to her etc.

Then ME3 was getting attention in mags and we saw Kaidan in Spectre gear and we had something new and since then we're pretty much just waiting for news recycling old topics ...


on a side-note:
will the thread title be changed more often or will this only occur once every 300+ pages?


I don't have an issue discussing "moving on" to the ME2 LIs, but I refuse to be denigrated and judged for a roleplaying choice.  When it can be discussed as "Shepard's" actions, I'm all for it. 

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Just letting you all know that I've finally updated my Shepard Chronicles.  Kimbri got word that Kaidan's on Horizon
http://www.fanfictio...pard_Chronicles

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Ummmm........... did I say something *wrong*? Or am I missing something here?

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Criz-Zone wrote...

well, ... there isn't that much we can discuss, that hasn't been talked over and over and over and over before after ME1 and the only new thing that ME2 added was pretty much Horizon and perhaps the email and who that doctor is and what femSheps everywhere are going to do to her etc.


Shall we try to guess what color Kaidan's underclothes are again instead? ;)

Or maybe his extranet fetish site addiction?

...Dammit, is it March yet? *wanders off to go get her Harvest Moon preorder*

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Graceyn wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Just wanted to post this for us Femsheps. Sorry if it doesn't do the auto link. Got to learn how to do pics and such.

www.atomicmpc.com.au/Magazine/Default.aspx


Yeah, I was so disappointed to discover this is an Australian magazine, and super expensive to get shipped to the U.S. :(  Browing the back issue covers, it looks like it may be a quite decent gaming magazine.


I won't buy it just cause it's probably something we all know or will know. Thought it was cool to finally see her somewhere though:D

On the other topic.....No new Kaidan news or new pics = frustrated Kaidan lovers! All we need is a little peeksy and we will be happy little campers again. With happy new topics to discuss:O

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And here I was hoping that the nsfw work discussions were decreasing.

Would it be too much to ask that in our efforts to be respectful of Kaidan fans that we are also respectful that some of us are reading/posting from public and/or work computers, and the nsfw pics and topics inhibit us from being able to participate?

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Sialater wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

well, ... there isn't that much we can discuss, that hasn't been talked over and over and over and over before after ME1 and the only new thing that ME2 added was pretty much Horizon and perhaps the email and who that doctor is and what femSheps everywhere are going to do to her etc.

Then ME3 was getting attention in mags and we saw Kaidan in Spectre gear and we had something new and since then we're pretty much just waiting for news recycling old topics ...


on a side-note:
will the thread title be changed more often or will this only occur once every 300+ pages?


I don't have an issue discussing "moving on" to the ME2 LIs, but I refuse to be denigrated and judged for a roleplaying choice.  When it can be discussed as "Shepard's" actions, I'm all for it. 


I don't know why anyone should judge on what your Shepard does. :mellow:

Each person has their own take on the relationship, there isn't a correct one.

I have a "cheating" Shepard due to the fact she can't deal with the situation but then my canon Shepard dealt with it. Different stories for different people. Shame people judge on what other's play.

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sapphyreelf wrote...

And here I was hoping that the nsfw work discussions were decreasing.

Would it be too much to ask that in our efforts to be respectful of Kaidan fans that we are also respectful that some of us are reading/posting from public and/or work computers, and the nsfw pics and topics inhibit us from being able to participate?


Exactly.

Discuss the "cheating" thing.  But do it from an RP'ing standpoint and don't badmouth players with Shepards who moved on.

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

well, ... there isn't that much we can discuss, that hasn't been talked over and over and over and over before after ME1 and the only new thing that ME2 added was pretty much Horizon and perhaps the email and who that doctor is and what femSheps everywhere are going to do to her etc.

Then ME3 was getting attention in mags and we saw Kaidan in Spectre gear and we had something new and since then we're pretty much just waiting for news recycling old topics ...


on a side-note:
will the thread title be changed more often or will this only occur once every 300+ pages?


I don't have an issue discussing "moving on" to the ME2 LIs, but I refuse to be denigrated and judged for a roleplaying choice.  When it can be discussed as "Shepard's" actions, I'm all for it. 


I don't know why anyone should judge on what your Shepard does. :mellow:

Each person has their own take on the relationship, there isn't a correct one.

I have a "cheating" Shepard due to the fact she can't deal with the situation but then my canon Shepard dealt with it. Different stories for different people. Shame people judge on what other's play.


And this is all I'm asking.  But it wasn't going on a page or two ago. 

I have one friend, one "faithful" and one "cheating."  And I use those terms loosely.

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