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[JaerWolfe]

Chylise wrote...
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Like others have said, I just don't see it. If Shepard is going to the trial voluntarily, does he/she really need to be locked up in the brig? Why would any of the ME2 crew stand for that? (Especially the Cerberus people?)

The minute Shepard surrenders she's under arrest. Even if she surrendered voluntarily, she is still arrested/placed in custody and all of her shiny toys that she uses to hurt bad/annoying guys get taken away. As for being locked up in the brig...politics/proceedure would demand it even if Anderson trusted her...which he does. Apparently Anderson also trusts his own superiors well enough to make sure he has his own man guarding Shepard.
As for what happened to the ME2 crew...upon thinking about it...most are fugitives/unsavory types who wouldn't want to be anywhere near the Alliance's version of Five-0 and would have bugged out/been ordered to leave the minute Shepard was arrested.

FireEye wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

The politics of the trial and the events surrounding it can be handled really well...or by Mac Walters. And that's my last bit of snark at him today. Promise.

...how about in fic form?

LOL...the minute I heard they were contemplating a Genesis type prologue for ME3 I figured I'd better start getting ready to be annoyed. Now they've said they won't I can't decide if I'm disappointed or not.

Sorry, I'm a bit behind on comments. I'm at work and it comes first.

[Eccentrica Gallumbits]

@Chylise and @Sialater Thanks for the replies.

I think Kaidan should be my lawyer for the trial. That way I will certainly get to debrief him pre-trial. Where's that pic of him in glasses when I need it?

[Sialater]

Eccentrica Gallumbits wrote...

@Chylise and @Sialater Thanks for the replies.

I think Kaidan should be my lawyer for the trial. That way I will certainly get to debrief him pre-trial. Where's that pic of him in glasses when I need it?

In every sense of the word.

I dunno.. I was kinda hoping they wouldn't go down the "VS hunts Rogue Shepard down" route.  I just hope they do it well. 

[Ellyria]

Sialater wrote...

I dunno.. I was kinda hoping they wouldn't go down the "VS hunts Rogue Shepard down" route.  I just hope they do it well. 

Yeah, we've already had that story! It was called Mass Effect 1. 

[Sialater]

Chylise wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I dunno.. I was kinda hoping they wouldn't go down the "VS hunts Rogue Shepard down" route.  I just hope they do it well. 

Yeah, we've already had that story! It was called Mass Effect 1. 

Well, you know... those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...

[oyukichan]

My theory is that the VSpectre comes along with Anderson to secure Shep, because Shep would either go willingly with those two, or the VSpectre would be the only one capable of catching Shep should (s)he decide to run.

As far as Omega is concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson meets up with Shep there to begin with. In ME2, Shep is basically told to keep to the Terminus Systems anyway and Omega would be a good place for making certain that Shep-loyal Cerberus personnel could get away before Alliance could lock them up. Because I imagine that VSpectre and Anderson would not be willing to just look away while Cerberus personnel are escaping.

If Kaidan comes for my Shep, I think the cuffs and brig scene would go somewhere along the lines of "Sorry, Shepard, just following protocol". She might call Alliance brass the real traitors and maybe Kaidan can talk her down or something, so she feels less betrayed. Or not. But I kind of want Kaidan to be with Anderson when they commandeer the SR2.

[JaerWolfe]

FireEye wrote...
And finally, I partially suspected the reunion to be pre-trial, but either silent (meeting face to face followed by a fade to black) or off screen.  Thus the "Welcome back, Commander!"  But then a lot could still change before the game goes to print.  *shrug?*

I have a feeling you could be right, Fire, about the reunion. So that begs the question...will they gloss over Horizon (sorry, Night, Sia, I know you love that topic!!) and pretend everything is sunshine and bunnies between the VS or will they actually address the shoddy writing there?
/must resist temptation...made promise not to snark about him anymore today...

[sesheta255]

@Jaer - go on, write some snark, you know you want to, lol

I seem to remember reading that ME3 takes place about 6 months after ME2/Arrival somewhere but my memory sucks lately so I could be totally wrong. I'm sort of under the impression that the first meeting between the VS and Shep is on board the Normandy but I really have no idea. Wherever it is I just hope we don;t get the same standard of dialogue as we had on Horizon.

[Eccentrica Gallumbits]

Sialater wrote...

Eccentrica Gallumbits wrote...

@Chylise and @Sialater Thanks for the replies.

I think Kaidan should be my lawyer for the trial. That way I will certainly get to debrief him pre-trial. Where's that pic of him in glasses when I need it?

In every sense of the word.

Exactly 

[Nightodie]

JaerWolfe wrote...

FireEye wrote...
And finally, I partially suspected the reunion to be pre-trial, but either silent (meeting face to face followed by a fade to black) or off screen.  Thus the "Welcome back, Commander!"  But then a lot could still change before the game goes to print.  *shrug?*

I have a feeling you could be right, Fire, about the reunion. So that begs the question...will they gloss over Horizon (sorry, Night, Sia, I know you love that topic!!) and pretend everything is sunshine and bunnies between the VS or will they actually address the shoddy writing there?
/must resist temptation...made promise not to snark about him anymore today...

Some things should be forgotten. 

I think you have a point about the reunion scene being glossed over a bit... But we can be hopeful, very hopeful!!! 

[Sialater]

sesheta255 wrote...

@Jaer - go on, write some snark, you know you want to, lol

I seem to remember reading that ME3 takes place about 6 months after ME2/Arrival somewhere but my memory sucks lately so I could be totally wrong. I'm sort of under the impression that the first meeting between the VS and Shep is on board the Normandy but I really have no idea. Wherever it is I just hope we don;t get the same standard of dialogue as we had on Horizon.

I think you're right, Sesh.

[JaerWolfe]

AurinShepard wrote...

My theory is that the VSpectre comes along with Anderson to secure Shep, because Shep would either go willingly with those two, or the VSpectre would be the only one capable of catching Shep should (s)he decide to run.

As far as Omega is concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson meets up with Shep there to begin with. In ME2, Shep is basically told to keep to the Terminus Systems anyway and Omega would be a good place for making certain that Shep-loyal Cerberus personnel could get away before Alliance could lock them up. Because I imagine that VSpectre and Anderson would not be willing to just look away while Cerberus personnel are escaping.

If Kaidan comes for my Shep, I think the cuffs and brig scene would go somewhere along the lines of "Sorry, Shepard, just following protocol". She might call Alliance brass the real traitors and maybe Kaidan can talk her down or something, so she feels less betrayed. Or not. But I kind of want Kaidan to be with Anderson when they commandeer the SR2.

That brings up an interesting political situation. The VS is a Spectre...they represent the Council, but it is the Alliance that is arresting Shepard and the Alliance that is putting Shepard on trial. In this situation the VS should be nothing more than JAFO and leave all the political posturing to Anderson and the Alliance...but at the same time the VS has political power. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that the Kaidan could claim jurisdiction of Shepard if he didn't like where the trial was headed. He'd answer to the Council for it, but he could do it...if the Reapers weren't going to interrupt the trial in a big way.

Uhmmm, sorry if I'm boring anyone. I find the speculating fun but I realize not everyone does.

[Bekkael]

Jenova65 wrote...

 Oh and in case you didn't see yet...........
Kaidan won

Hooray!

Chylise wrote...
Shall we try to guess what color Kaidan's underclothes are again instead? 

I think I got in trouble for "objectifying" Kaidan when I suggested we try to figure out the type of undies he would wear!

Ooookay. Lots of opinions on cheating versus non-cheating. I support all forms of roleplay, and try to make several different types of Shepard for that purpose. I am currently trying to make a multi-relationship renegade Shep (does that sound better than saying "cheating"?), but haven't finished that playthrough yet, so I don't really know what will happen until I get there.

Eccentrica Gallumbits wrote...
LOL My son is 13 too. 14 soon.  Having teens does that to you. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png

*sigh* I know. I have three teens now, and they are all taller than me. It's...strange.

Sialater wrote...
Shepard's decisions actually have no impact on the outcome of those missions.

Sounds like standard operating procedure for newer BioWare games. <_< CoughDragonAge2Cough
I bought LotSB and Arrival. I liked the first okay, but I don't like having to do Arrival as a solo mission; I NEED my team. I only tried it once, so need to give it another go, but yeah, I didn't love it.

I really wish we knew just one or two particulars of how ME3 starts, for certain. For fun, whether you like the comic or not, I got a huge kick out of this thread.

[ADLegend21]

Just published a one shot and it has one of Aislinn Trista's Kaidan-mancer Sheps.

Sentinel

[Sialater]

JaerWolfe wrote...

AurinShepard wrote...

My theory is that the VSpectre comes along with Anderson to secure Shep, because Shep would either go willingly with those two, or the VSpectre would be the only one capable of catching Shep should (s)he decide to run.

As far as Omega is concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson meets up with Shep there to begin with. In ME2, Shep is basically told to keep to the Terminus Systems anyway and Omega would be a good place for making certain that Shep-loyal Cerberus personnel could get away before Alliance could lock them up. Because I imagine that VSpectre and Anderson would not be willing to just look away while Cerberus personnel are escaping.

If Kaidan comes for my Shep, I think the cuffs and brig scene would go somewhere along the lines of "Sorry, Shepard, just following protocol". She might call Alliance brass the real traitors and maybe Kaidan can talk her down or something, so she feels less betrayed. Or not. But I kind of want Kaidan to be with Anderson when they commandeer the SR2.

That brings up an interesting political situation. The VS is a Spectre...they represent the Council, but it is the Alliance that is arresting Shepard and the Alliance that is putting Shepard on trial. In this situation the VS should be nothing more than JAFO and leave all the political posturing to Anderson and the Alliance...but at the same time the VS has political power. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that the Kaidan could claim jurisdiction of Shepard if he didn't like where the trial was headed. He'd answer to the Council for it, but he could do it...if the Reapers weren't going to interrupt the trial in a big way.

Uhmmm, sorry if I'm boring anyone. I find the speculating fun but I realize not everyone does.

It's the only good part about waiting for ME3. 

Interesting that the Council could end up with TWO rogues on their hands....

[FireEye]

JaerWolfe wrote...

That brings up an interesting political situation. The VS is a Spectre...they represent the Council, but it is the Alliance that is arresting Shepard and the Alliance that is putting Shepard on trial. In this situation the VS should be nothing more than JAFO and leave all the political posturing to Anderson and the Alliance...but at the same time the VS has political power. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that the Kaidan could claim jurisdiction of Shepard if he didn't like where the trial was headed. He'd answer to the Council for it, but he could do it...if the Reapers weren't going to interrupt the trial in a big way.

Uhmmm, sorry if I'm boring anyone. I find the speculating fun but I realize not everyone does.

The new Council is implied to be majorly influenced by humanity, though.  Even if you save the Council, the Alliance is likely to have a heavy hand in it, because of the writing angle - the default in ME2 was "Council Dies."

So even if Kaidan wanted to, going against the Alliance may well be going against the Council at this point.

[Ellyria]

Bekkael wrote...

Chylise wrote...
Shall we try to guess what color Kaidan's underclothes are again instead? 

I think I got in trouble for "objectifying" Kaidan when I suggested we try to figure out the type of undies he would wear!

LOL, it was more quoting Fenris than actually suggesting we do so. 

[JaerWolfe]

sesheta255 wrote...

@Jaer - go on, write some snark, you know you want to, lol

I seem to remember reading that ME3 takes place about 6 months after ME2/Arrival somewhere but my memory sucks lately so I could be totally wrong. I'm sort of under the impression that the first meeting between the VS and Shep is on board the Normandy but I really have no idea. Wherever it is I just hope we don;t get the same standard of dialogue as we had on Horizon.

If I do write snark it will be most likely be renegade with Rache. Of course, you've read my take on how she gets to the trial/the trial outcome. I'm debating going back and making it more in line with the Vega character's appearance.

So Shep will be in prison for months? Criz's cookie bit is looking more likely all the time...

FireEye wrote...

The new Council is implied to be majorly influenced by humanity, though.  Even if you save the Council, the Alliance is likely to have a heavy hand in it, because of the writing angle - the default in ME2 was "Council Dies."

So even if Kaidan wanted to, going against the Alliance may well be going against the Council at this point.

True...it would be an interesting moral dilemma for him, wouldn't it? Shepard...or doing his duty.

[Bekkael]

Chylise wrote...
LOL, it was more quoting Fenris than actually suggesting we do so. 

Oh, derp for me. I caught the quote now LOL. 

[oyukichan]

Well, Shep did help out on Alliance matters even after becoming a Spectre in ME1. So, Kaidan or Ashley could very well do the same.

Of course, I also think Shep could kick Anderson's, Kaidan's or Ashley's butts real good, if they really wanted to fight, so I'm not sure how the intro will play out for a Shep that does not want to return to Earth for the trial. Though, wasn't Anderson also N7? Maybe he could hold his own with Shep. That could be fun to see.

I love to speculate.

Edit: If I remember correctly, Arrival is "encouraged" to take place after the Suicide Mission, even though you can do it before. I think the default canon is Arrival is a few months after Suicide Mission and then ME3 is supposed to be days after Arrival. I'm pretty sure that it has been said that ME3 is days after Arrival. Maybe a week or so. I guess I'm not 100% understanding how quick FTL travel is supposed to be. In ME1, Ash commented that an FTL trip through a solar system took a few days, but jetting around on the SR1 doesn't seem to take much time at all. Or maybe the non-Relay travel Ash was talking about was from one system to another, not just in one system... and this is relevant because the Reapers have to regular FTL travel to the next system with a Relay after Shep destroys the one in Arrival, before making the jump to Earth. I also think it has been discussed that Earth is the first place attacked. Likely because the Reapers are now wary, if not outright fearful, of the humans ability to take them out.

Modifié par AurinShepard, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:54 .

[sesheta255]

JaerWolfe wrote...

If I do write snark it will be most likely be renegade with Rache. Of course, you've read my take on how she gets to the trial/the trial outcome. I'm debating going back and making it more in line with the Vega character's appearance.

Yes I think you should, lol.  I like your renegade, Rache, and her interactions with Kaidan, and you know you wanted to rewrite bits of it anyway.

[fortunesque]

Whatever happens with Kaidan and an ME2 LI, I guarantee that it will involve a sternly worded email XD

[mineralica]

Just some thoughts:

- when Anderson takes Vega in Conviction on Normandy, Kaidan isn't there - it would be strange to not believe that SpeCTRe can't guard Shepard while random soldier can.

- Kaidan wasn't on Shepard's trial, at least personally. If he was, how would they part ways and Kaidan get on Normandy earlier than Shepard and Anderson?

- Ashley's "Welcome back" sounds like Jacob's "Welcome abroad on new Normandy" - addressed to fact that Shepard is returning to ship (after not being there for a long time), not to Ashley?

- tweet from devs with something like "Liara's behavior was strange, but then LotSB came out. Imagine which possibilities would it give to VS". Kaidan leading own deals? How important this should be to a) earn him a SpeCTRe status and can't be delayed even for dealing with implications about Shepard? Something about Reapers, maybe? Alliance and VS not that reckless as it's seen by majority of gamers from ME2?

[FireEye]

JaerWolfe wrote...

True...it would be an interesting moral dilemma for him, wouldn't it? Shepard...or doing his duty.

Brings to mind, "If I didn't think you were doing the right thing, I wouldn't be here."

... question is, does he think Shep was doin' the right thing? 

[JaerWolfe]

fortunesque wrote...

Whatever happens with Kaidan and an ME2 LI, I guarantee that it will involve a sternly worded email XD

From Jacob to Shepard:

I thought we had something, Shepard. I think back to the first time I saw you, meat and tubes on a table, and I want to vomit. But then I got to know you, I saw you with flesh and more importantly...hair. You were the prize I wanted. How could you do this to us?